Open racism is ok if it's for the progressive cause.

07-06-2019 7:33pm

Jesus..
This thread is depressing..

Mrsmum · 07-06-2019 7:52pm

Nobelium wrote: »

Where do I get some of this white male privilege I keep hearing about ?

No one ever handed me anything in life because of my skin colour or sex . . . anything I have I worked dam hard for it.

The way I see it is if people were one dimensional then white males would be on the top layer of society as they have been in charge since forever. However add intersectionality (the interconnected nature of social categorizations such as race, class, and gender as they apply to a given individual or group, regarded as creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage.), which is the way human being actually exist and then white male privilege is a movable feast. As a group white males have privilege other groups can only dream of and are always fighting for but as individuals white men can be anywhere on the spectrum of privilege including the bottom.

Nobelium · 07-06-2019 7:58pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

As a group white males have privilege other groups can only dream of and are always fighting for but as individuals white men can be anywhere on the spectrum of privilege including the bottom.

more racist sexist crap, and a total logical contradiction.

07-06-2019 8:00pm

Go to Dubai, you'll realize white males aren't running the world..

seasidedub · 07-06-2019 8:17pm

Awards Ceremony wrote: »

I've noticed the people who attend these anti Trump and the like events tend to be the dregs of society

Normal people just don't care. It's not logical to hate a man who is not even the president of your own country.

They also tend to be long term unemployed because let's face it, if you've a job, mortgage and 2 kids in day care you have no time to be out protesting. After all, you need to pay taxes for their dole. Often wondered what the country would actually look like if the hard left got in. Eventually you run out of other people's money.....

mdk_kdm · 07-06-2019 8:20pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

As a group white males have privilege other groups can only dream of...

Examples?

OMM 0000 · 07-06-2019 8:29pm

seasidedub wrote: »

They also tend to be long term unemployed because let's face it, if you've a job, mortgage and 2 kids in day care you have no time to be out protesting. After all, you need to pay taxes for their dole. Often wondered what the country would actually look like if the hard left got in. Eventually you run out of other people's money.....

You're reminding me of the people I used to know in the Socialist Workers Party.

They were all unemployed.

I remember asking one person how they plan to fund everything when they get into government.

"By taxing the rich".

Ok and where will the rich get their money from?

"From their businesses".

So you want a socialist state funded by capitalism?

"No the state will eventually take over these businesses".

Won't this just lower everyone's motivation and as a result profits, causing things to eventually end up the way the USSR did?

"No it'll be different".

I wasn't as aggressive as this (I'm on my phone so just trying to get the jist across) but I remember thinking these people haven't thought anything through.

Blueshoe · 07-06-2019 8:39pm

Awards Ceremony wrote: »

The 'protest' in my city began just after I left work. Even if I wanted to join, I was tired and just wanted to go home.

Actually feel bad for these people. I guess they have nothing going for them.

It gives them something to feel part of. Sad

Mrsmum · 07-06-2019 9:00pm

mdk_kdm wrote: »

Examples?

In politics, in industry, in sport, it's all white males.

In movies look at women's roles in comparison to men.

See how women are objectified,harassed and attacked just because of their sex.

See how women are written out of history as if herstory is of no importance.

That's just from a straight woman's pov. I'm sure other groups see other advantages that both men and women have over them. It's life.

OMM 0000 · 07-06-2019 9:10pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

In politics, in industry, in sport, it's all white males.

Are you sure you've thought through your argument?

I just looked at the Ghana government and it's all black people.

I just looked at the Nigerian soccer team and it's all black men.

I just looked at the Kenyan Central Bank and it's all black people.

So doesn't it make sense most Irish politicians, industry leaders and sports people will be white?

In fact, I'm pretty sure our soccer team, who are playing right now, have two black players. Yet 20% of Ireland is not black.

Mrsmum wrote: »

In movies look at women's roles in comparison to men.

Movies which are about action usually have a male lead.

This makes sense. Look at the gender makeup of the military.

The reality (fortunately or unfortunately) is violence is the realm of men.

Mrsmum wrote: »

See how women are objectified,harassed and attacked just because of their sex.

Most victims of violence are men.

It's open season on saying men are **** and blaming everything on men.

You can harass and blame white males all you want and you won't be considered a racist or sexist.

Mrsmum wrote: »

See how women are written out of history as if herstory is of no importance.

This is not true.

Especially in the current climate.

Every time a woman achieves something, or participates in a group achievement, you'll see a BBC story about her.

Women get so much praise whenever they achieve something.

Blueshoe · 07-06-2019 9:11pm

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Are you sure you've thought through your argument?

I just looked at the Ghana government and it's all black people.

I just looked at the Nigerian soccer team and it's all black men.

I just looked at the Kenyan Central Bank and it's all black people.

So doesn't it make sense most Irish politicians, industry leaders and sports people will be white?

In fact, I'm pretty sure our soccer team, who are playing right now, have two black players. Yet 20% of Ireland is not black.

Movies which are about action usually have a male lead.

This makes sense. Look at the gender makeup of the military.

The reality (fortunately or unfortunately) is violence is the realm of men.

Most victims of violence are men.

This is not true.

Especially in the current climate.

Every time a woman achieves something, or participates in a group achievement, you'll see a BBC story about her.

Women get so much praise whenever they achieve something.

Absolutely perfect reply

beejee · 07-06-2019 9:18pm

Some people like to talk about gigantic groups of people, but in reality they're usually talking out of their own selfish hole.

"women" = a very small proportion of women in basically anglo-saxon countries, very arguably the best place on earth for women. Women in Somalia? "Who gives a ****!"

It's all about me me me me me, dressed up in sheep's clothing to disguise complete self-interested bias.

No problems with self-interest, but don't be a sneak about it.

Silentcorner · 07-06-2019 9:30pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

In politics, in industry, in sport, it's all white males.

In movies look at women's roles in comparison to men.

See how women are objectified,harassed and attacked just because of their sex.

See how women are written out of history as if herstory is of no importance.

That's just from a straight woman's pov. I'm sure other groups see other advantages that both men and women have over them. It's life.

What makes me laugh about todays feminists, is how blind they are to white mans personal failures...the amount of men who have invested time/energy/money and failed is much longer than anybody else...

The vast majority of business that fail are owned by men.
The vast majority of people who give tens of thousands of hours to sport and fail are men.
The vast majority of people who fail to get elected are men.
The vast majority of people whose inventions fail are men.
The vast majority of people who work long hours in the hope of getting a promotion and fail, are men.

Feminists are blind to it because it is a middle class women's entitlement movement...entitlements that are not afforded to men, most men know, success is hard hard earned!

Mrsmum · 07-06-2019 9:43pm

Well actually I was speaking of Ireland as that's where I live and experience day to day life.
But also apart from newborns we are not starting from today. We are all influenced by the generation before us. It's perhaps telling that some of you don't see that as it almost proves the point that you already without even noticing had what others feel they had to overcome. Women are now out of the home but for a lot of women their roles models were very much tied to the home, they were very few female surgeons, engineers, captains of industry, politicians or even civil servants to be influenced by and to aspire to. It's a lot harder to be what you can't see. There is also often a conflict in women between having and nurturing kids and work that certainly up to very recently men did not experience. And as for history women were very much written out.

I don't really understand what the upset for men is in acknowledging certain advantages. I know I have many advantages over other people, men and women, because of my upbringing, my accent, my education etc apart from what I earned for myself and certain disadvantages too. I don't see the big deal. We are not all equal in terms of privilege.

Nobelium · 07-06-2019 9:51pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

Well actually I was speaking of Ireland as that's where I live and experience day to day life.
But also apart from newborns we are not starting from today. We are all influenced by the generation before us. It's perhaps telling that some of you don't see that as it almost proves the point that you already without even noticing had what others feel they had to overcome. Women are now out of the home but for a lot of women their roles models were very much tied to the home, they were very few female surgeons, engineers, captains of industry, politicians or even civil servants to be influenced by and to aspire to. It's a lot harder to be what you can't see. There is also often a conflict in women between having and nurturing kids and work that certainly up to very recently men did not experience. And as for history women were very much written out.

I don't really understand what the upset for men is in acknowledging certain advantages. I know I have many advantages over other people, men and women, because of my upbringing, my accent, my education etc apart from what I earned for myself and certain disadvantages too. I don't see the big deal. We are not all equal in terms of privilege.

Can you not spot the hypocrisy and logical flaw of categorising and defining people by skin colour, sex, accent etc. ?

Mrsmum · 07-06-2019 9:52pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

What makes me laugh about todays feminists, is how blind they are to white mans personal failures...the amount of men who have invested time/energy/money and failed is much longer than anybody else...

The vast majority of business that fail are owned by men.
The vast majority of people who give tens of thousands of hours to sport and fail are men.
The vast majority of people who fail to get elected are men.
The vast majority of people whose inventions fail are men.
The vast majority of people who work long hours in the hope of getting a promotion and fail, are men.

Feminists are blind to it because it is a middle class women's entitlement movement...entitlements that are not afforded to men, most men know, success is hard hard earned!

You really think women don't know all this. Those men are our fathers, brothers, husbands, sons and we suffer along with them. But lets pretend men are doing this without even the knowledge never mind the support and even the despair of the women in their lives.

Silentcorner · 07-06-2019 9:55pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

Well actually I was speaking of Ireland as that's where I live and experience day to day life.
But also apart from newborns we are not starting from today. We are all influenced by the generation before us. It's perhaps telling that some of you don't see that as it almost proves the point that you already without even noticing had what others feel they had to overcome. Women are now out of the home but for a lot of women their roles models were very much tied to the home, they were very few female surgeons, engineers, captains of industry, politicians or even civil servants to be influenced by and to aspire to. It's a lot harder to be what you can't see. There is also often a conflict in women between having and nurturing kids and work that certainly up to very recently men did not experience. And as for history women were very much written out.

I don't really understand what the upset for men is in acknowledging certain advantages. I know I have many advantages over other people, men and women, because of my upbringing, my accent, my education etc apart from what I earned for myself and certain disadvantages too. I don't see the big deal. We are not all equal in terms of privilege.

Ah yes...the old classic "if you don't agree with me you are part of the problem" chestnut....that is infantile!

Ya, everyone who doesn't live in a Communist state has some disadvantage or advantage over others...trust me it's better this way!

Silentcorner · 07-06-2019 9:55pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

You really think women don't know all this. Those men are our fathers, brothers, husbands, sons and we suffer along with them. But lets pretend men are doing this without even the knowledge never mind the support and even the despair of the women in their lives.

I said feminists, not women.

Nobelium · 07-06-2019 9:56pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

You really think women don't know all this. Those men are our fathers, brothers, husbands, sons and we suffer along with them. But lets pretend men are doing this without even the knowledge never mind the support and even the despair of the women in their lives.

so instead of all this eqaully sexist and racist pissing and moaning about males and white skin colour, where's the support and encouragement and call for equality for disadvantage white irish men as well ?

Mrsmum · 07-06-2019 10:00pm

Nobelium wrote: »

Can you not spot the hypocrisy and logical flaw of categorising and defining people by skin colour, sex, accent etc. ?

If we didn't categorise, we would never have DEIS schools for example. They are meant to counteract disadvantages certain kids have. But on an individual level a kid in D4 could be in far greater need. I don't see any flaw in seeing both circumstances.

MadDog76 · 07-06-2019 10:01pm

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

U ok hun? xxx

Is it 2015?

Nobelium · 07-06-2019 10:02pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

If we didn't categorise, we would never have DEIS schools for example. They are meant to counteract disadvantages certain kids have. But on an individual level a kid in D4 could be in far greater need. I don't see any flaw in seeing both circumstances.

are they categorising people by certain sex, skin colour, or accent in they way you have ?

The Phantom Jipper · 07-06-2019 10:05pm

What racism is the OP complaining about? I'm seeing a lot of mentions of unemployed protesters but not a whole lot to support the thread title.

Blueshoe · 07-06-2019 10:11pm

Can't turn on football or gaa coverage anymore without there being a woman either presenting or on the panel.
They have whinged their way into men's sport

Mrsmum · 07-06-2019 10:16pm

Nobelium wrote: »

so instead of all this eqaully sexist and racist pissing and moaning about males and white skin colour, where's the support and encouragement and call for equality for disadvantage white irish men as well ?[/QUOTE

Of course, on an example by example basis, everything that is possible to do for disadvantaged men should be done. Like for instance I'm always banging on about we should have more male teachers as I can see from my own kids, school is too female centred and not as suited to boys natural high energy personalities and their interests. And also mental and physical health programmes focused on men is very important. As well as programmes to tackle addictions like drink, drugs and gambling which tend to be concentrated higher in males, I think.

kildare lad · 08-06-2019 12:06am

Blueshoe wrote: »

Can't turn on football or gaa coverage anymore without there being a woman either presenting or on the panel.
They have whinged their way into men's sport

I wonder will all the feminists who give out about the pay gap in sports and lack of coverage of women's sports, will they be tuning into the women world that's on now ??? Haven't seen any posts on from girls on Facebook about it. But I've seen plenty about love island from them

Gimme A Pound · 08-06-2019 12:11am

Nobelium wrote: »

where's the support and encouragement and call for equality for disadvantage white irish men as well ?

The call for equality is from those men surely.

Arghus · 08-06-2019 12:53am

This thread is peak After Hours.

OMM 0000 · 08-06-2019 5:19am

Mrsmum wrote: »

Well actually I was speaking of Ireland as that's where I live and experience day to day life.
But also apart from newborns we are not starting from today. We are all influenced by the generation before us. It's perhaps telling that some of you don't see that as it almost proves the point that you already without even noticing had what others feel they had to overcome. Women are now out of the home but for a lot of women their roles models were very much tied to the home, they were very few female surgeons, engineers, captains of industry, politicians or even civil servants to be influenced by and to aspire to. It's a lot harder to be what you can't see. There is also often a conflict in women between having and nurturing kids and work that certainly up to very recently men did not experience. And as for history women were very much written out.

I don't really understand what the upset for men is in acknowledging certain advantages. I know I have many advantages over other people, men and women, because of my upbringing, my accent, my education etc apart from what I earned for myself and certain disadvantages too. I don't see the big deal. We are not all equal in terms of privilege.

Women do better in school.

Women do better in university.

Women do better in their career until they decide to have children and reduce their working hours.

Women are less likely to be at the bottom of society (homeless or in prison).

Women are less likely to die in work.

Women are less likely to have to fight in a war or die in a war.

Women are less likely to commit suicide.

Women are less likely to die young.

Women are less likely to be the victim of violence.

Because it's becoming almost impossible to argue women are worse off then men, modern feminists are having to resort to saying things like "we don't have as many role models from previous generations because not as many women used to work as surgeons, engineers, etc."

If that's really the sort of "problem" you're facing, maybe you need to stop complaining and instead be unbelievably grateful you have such a privileged life.

Oh btw, almost everything around you was invented or built by men. You're welcome.

OMM 0000 · 08-06-2019 6:55am

OMM 0000 wrote: »

If that's really the sort of "problem" you're facing, maybe you need to stop complaining and instead be unbelievably grateful you have such a privileged life.

I want to add this:

I know feminists will never stop complaining because:

a) There are too many professional feminists who make a living from it. They'll always need to come up with new angles of oppression. (Coming soon: How toilet paper is designed for the male anus).

b) A lot of women (not all, not the majority) like to live in a victim state, where they can blame their failures on an outside force, so even if we could categorically prove women are doing better than men in every aspect of life, they'd dismiss it and continue blaming men and society for their inability to run a FTSE 500 company.

Mrsmum · 08-06-2019 8:10am

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Women do better in school.

Women do better in university.

Women do better in their career until they decide to have children and reduce their working hours.

Women are less likely to be at the bottom of society (homeless or in prison).

Women are less likely to die in work.

Women are less likely to have to fight in a war or die in a war.

Women are less likely to commit suicide.

Women are less likely to die young.

Women are less likely to be the victim of violence.

Because it's becoming almost impossible to argue women are worse off then men, modern feminists are having to resort to saying things like "we don't have as many role models from previous generations because not as many women used to work as surgeons, engineers, etc."

If that's really the sort of "problem" you're facing, maybe you need to stop complaining and instead be unbelievably grateful you have such a privileged life.

Oh btw, almost everything around you was invented or built by men. You're welcome.

Practically all of the above, I have referenced in my post no 226 and yet you list them out as if you are educating me on something I don't know.
However it is also true that women as a group have come from a starting point far behind men.
And as for the statement that everything was invented by men, well they would do wouldn't they as they were the ones allowed out in the world. When men went off to war, women threw off the pinnies, donned the overalls and managed to keep the show on the road perfectly well. And even while they were at home having multiple children, it's not like they were idle. Bringing up children is no small job either you know. But it is so easy to dismiss it in favour of men who eg laid railway tracks. He worked, she did nothing.
And if men are in trouble today, should they not be doing more for themselves. I mean women are fantastic for organising together to get things done but if I as a woman set out to improve things for men, I will do it according to my female experience of life which probably won't reach what men need at all. So to a certain extent, you kinda have to do it for yourselves.

OMM 0000 · 08-06-2019 8:36am

Mrsmum wrote: »

Practically all of the above, I have referenced in my post no 226 and yet you list them out as if you are educating me on something I don't know.
However it is also true that women as a group have come from a starting point far behind men.
And as for the statement that everything was invented by men, well they would do wouldn't they as they were the ones allowed out in the world. When men went off to war, women threw off the pinnies, donned the overalls and managed to keep the show on the road perfectly well. And even while they were at home having multiple children, it's not like they were idle. Bringing up children is no small job either you know. But it is so easy to dismiss it in favour of men who eg laid railway tracks. He worked, she did nothing.
And if men are in trouble today, should they not be doing more for themselves. I mean women are fantastic for organising together to get things done but if I as a woman set out to improve things for men, I will do it according to my female experience of life which probably won't reach what men need at all. So to a certain extent, you kinda have to do it for yourselves.

When are you going to start living today instead of in the past?

You have admitted you know women are doing better than men, yet you keep clinging to the past so you can claim women are victims.

At least you have the honesty to admit feminism is not about equality but rather about getting a better deal for women.

Mrsmum · 08-06-2019 8:51am

OMM 0000 wrote: »

When are you going to start living today instead of in the past?

You have admitted you know women are doing better than men, yet you keep clinging to the past so you can claim women are victims.

At least you have the honesty to admit feminism is not about equality but rather about getting a better deal for women.

You are seeing what you want to see. I want nothing but the best for men as they are my family. We're all connected, you know.

OMM 0000 · 08-06-2019 8:55am

Mrsmum wrote: »

You are seeing what you want to see. I want nothing but the best for men as they are my family. We're all connected, you know.

My opinion is based on all the posts you've made. Your angle has been white males are a problem, and women are victims.

I'm glad to see you want men to do well.

KikiLaRue · 08-06-2019 9:02am

OMM 0000 wrote: »

When are you going to start living today instead of in the past?

You have admitted you know women are doing better than men, yet you keep clinging to the past so you can claim women are victims.

At least you have the honesty to admit feminism is not about equality but rather about getting a better deal for women.

I’m living in today. I’m very grateful that I was born when I was and I fully acknowledge now is the best time there has ever been to be a woman in Ireland.

I can still see that woman are dramatically underrepresented at the highest levels of power- politics, the judiciary, business, medicine.

And I’m not okay with that.

OMM 0000 · 08-06-2019 9:06am

KikiLaRue wrote: »

I’m living in today. I’m very grateful that I was born when I was and I fully acknowledge now is the best time there has ever been to be a woman in Ireland.

I can still see that woman are dramatically underrepresented at the highest levels of power- politics, the judiciary, business, medicine.

And I’m not okay with that.

It's not men's fault.

Women need to realise they have to compete and be the best if they want the best roles.

I know a few CEOs (and similar) and they're always working. I'm talking 7 days a week. This includes some women. You have to be willing to give up most of your family life if you want to be at the top. I don't know many women willing to do that, but I know a lot of men willing to do that. For the record I think these people are making a mistake.

KikiLaRue · 08-06-2019 9:09am

OMM 0000 wrote: »

It's not men's fault.

Women need to realise they have to compete and be the best if they want the best roles.

I know a few CEOs (and similar) and they're always working. I'm talking 7 days a week. This includes some women. You have to be willing to give up most of your family life if you want to be at the top. I don't know many women willing to do that, but I know a lot of men willing to do that. For the record I think these people are making a mistake.

I didn’t say it’s men’s fault. I believe that a variety of factors; history, culture, systems etc combine to create an outcome I’m not okay with.

I believe men could do more to change the system, but I don’t believe it is men’s fault as such.

OMM 0000 · 08-06-2019 9:13am

KikiLaRue wrote: »

I didn’t say it’s men’s fault. I believe that a variety of factors; history, culture, systems etc combine to create an outcome I’m not okay with.

I believe men could do more to change the system, but I don’t believe it is men’s fault as such.

I don't agree.

Women (some) need to drop the victim mentality and start taking responsibility for their success.

I know the head of a large Asian bank. She's a woman. She is childless, works all the time, and miserable. That's the kind of sacrifice it takes.

Why would you want that?

OMM 0000 · 08-06-2019 9:17am

BTW this will be my last comment on this topic.

There are roughly 8 billion people in the world.

Roughly half are women, half are men.

How many women will not get to be the head of multinationals and in government? Almost all.

How many men will not get to be the head of multinationals and in government? Almost all.

That's right, all this waaahhh why aren't there more women running FTSE 500 companies logic applies to virtually all men too.

It's not a gender problem.

08-06-2019 9:21am

OMM 0000 wrote: »

BTW this will be my last comment on this topic.

There are roughly 8 billion people in the world.

Roughly half are women, half are men.

How many women will not get to be the head of multinationals and in government? Almost all.

How many men will not get to be the head of multinationals and in government? Almost all.

That's right, all this waaahhh why aren't there more women running FTSE 500 companies logic applies to virtually all men too.

It's not a gender problem.

I was just considering writing pretty much the exact same thing.

It's remarkable that people in the 99.9999999% make themselves upset at the statistics of the 0.0000000001%. The most comical is when people get upset that their favourite movie star made a few million less than her male counterpart, while working minimum wage themselves.

kildare lad · 08-06-2019 9:21am

OMM 0000 wrote: »

When are you going to start living today instead of in the past?

You have admitted you know women are doing better than men, yet you keep clinging to the past so you can claim women are victims.

At least you have the honesty to admit feminism is not about equality but rather about getting a better deal for women.

Why would they do that, some people like being victims, if they've got a bad break in life they'll blame it on men because the " patriarchy still exists . All these feminists that give out on interviews about men earning more money , well maybe if they went to college and get a degree in finance or business instead of gender studies, social studies or liberal arts degrees they'd earn more money too. I'll give you an example , my friends a senior commercial manager with a large construction firm . He went to college for five years studying construction management and then did his masters, his missus is a hairdresser , who do you think makes more money .

I'll give you a clue, its not the hairdresser. No one forced her to become a hairdresser, she likes her job but it pays no where near what he earns. Is that the patriarchys fault or just her decision to become a hairdresser.

Zorya · 08-06-2019 9:22am

KikiLaRue wrote: »

I can still see that woman are dramatically underrepresented at the highest levels of power- politics, the judiciary, business, medicine.

And I’m not okay with that.

I am. Politics is a filthy game where you have to schmooze all and sundry and give over every moment of your personal life to the public who elected you. Being a judge is boring and sedentary and high stress, all qualities that could give you an early heart attack or a drink problem. Medicine requires very long hours to advance in any field, to professorship level or surgeon, some might say it requires a certain element of psychopathy in the personality. Business success at the higher ends requires 80+ hour working weeks, more schmoozing, networking, grafting beyond human comfort and only the very few will succeed at the highest levels. Most women and indeed most men don't want to sacrifice their life//work balance for something like that.

But the main thing is that here women CAN do any of those things...if they want. My college room mate is a well-known female professor in a medical area, in fact a good few of my old female college pals are professors now, one of my very close female relations is a senior engineer in the public sector, one of my gal pals just freely ran and did respectably in the local elections, any female I know who wanted to succeed at business has done a fine job of it. None of them experienced barriers to those ways of life - just show up and do the work and it's yours for the taking. But many of the rest of us are simply not interested in that kind of life, not because of intellectual incapacity or inequality, but just because it's not our thing.

The women fighting against compulsory hijab via WhiteWednesdays, or the hundreds of thousands of women subjec to FGM, or child mariage, or the rates of female feticide etc - these are the issues that would trouble me. Also the wrong headed approach to leaglising prostitition, issues with women's sports, women's spaces, these occupy me. But none of this gender pay gap shyte - none of this lack of opportunity shyte. I disgree with gender quotas - awful, awful, embarrassing.

KikiLaRue · 08-06-2019 9:25am

OMM 0000 wrote: »

I don't agree.

Women (some) need to drop the victim mentality and start taking responsibility for their success.

I know the head of a large Asian bank. She's a woman. She is childless, works all the time, and miserable. That's the kind of sacrifice it takes.

Why would you want that?

The only people who can make meaningful change are the ones who currently hold the power, which is mostly men.

RIGOLO · 08-06-2019 9:29am

What this thread needs, in fact what boards needs is a new addition to the Smilies available.

We need a 'milkshake' option , preferably some flavored milkshakes.

That way we can cut to the chase and the progressive left posters can throw milkshakes at will, whilst those on the receiving end can send them the virtual cleaning bill and then we all now where we stand.

yesto24 · 08-06-2019 9:31am

kildare lad wrote: »

Why would they do that, some people like being victims, if they've got a bad break in life they'll blame it on men because the " patriarchy still exists . All these feminists that give out on interviews about men earning more money , well maybe if they went to college and get a degree in finance or business instead of gender studies, social studies or liberal arts degrees they'd earn more money too. I'll give you an example , my friends a senior commercial manager with a large construction firm . He went to college for five years studying construction management and then did his masters, his missus is a hairdresser , who do you think makes more money .

I'll give you a clue, its not the hairdresser. No one forced her to become a hairdresser, she likes her job but it pays no where near what he earns. Is that the patriarchys fault or just her decision to become a hairdresser.

No the answer you will get is that we value typically male work and devalue typical women's work.
Complete nonsense of course.

yesto24 · 08-06-2019 9:36am

KikiLaRue wrote: »

The only people who can make meaningful change are the ones who currently hold the power, which is mostly men.

And what change do you want them to make?
The poster above put it better than I ever could, show up do the work and you could reach the top. The ones who currently hold the power did that why would they want to change it.

Chris_Heilong · 08-06-2019 11:51am

It is all part of the 'Toxic' ideology which is modern progressivism that many journalists seem to subscribe to, I heard a work mate say 'reverse racism' and I spend a good 10 minutes explaining to him that 'reverse racism' does not exist and it is actually pure racism, does not matter where it comes from. All people should be held to the same standards if we want to live in a fair society.

Hell remember that channel 4 guy said "I've never seen so many white people", so much cringe.

Nobelium · 08-06-2019 12:17pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

It is all part of the 'Toxic' ideology which is modern progressivism that many journalists seem to subscribe to, I heard a work mate say 'reverse racism' and I spend a good 10 minutes explaining to him that 'reverse racism' does not exist and it is actually pure racism, does not matter where it comes from. All people should be held to the same standards if we want to live in a fair society.

Hell remember that channel 4 guy said "I've never seen so many white people", so much cringe.

Correct, whatever happened to the logical conclusion that someone's skin colour and sex should not matter, or should be allowed to define and categorise them ? Or are all bets off when it comes to making sexist and racist remarks about white males.

MontgomeryClift · 08-06-2019 11:45pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

It is all part of the 'Toxic' ideology which is modern progressivism that many journalists seem to subscribe to, I heard a work mate say 'reverse racism' and I spend a good 10 minutes explaining to him that 'reverse racism' does not exist and it is actually pure racism, does not matter where it comes from. All people should be held to the same standards if we want to live in a fair society.

Hell remember that channel 4 guy said "I've never seen so many white people", so much cringe.

It's worth watching this breakdown of John Snow's very revealing remark. In the latter part of the video, he also criticises the strategy of trying to call non-whites "racist," which some of you are trying here by claiming that "Reverse racism is just racism too."

That won't work because "racism" is something that only white people can be guilty of. Other races aren't ashamed of being tribal (racist), so trying to call them "racist" never works. Haven't you noticed that? Only the white man can be made to feel ashamed for being tribal.

Bobblehats · 08-06-2019 11:58pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Few8kJ0zfnY

If it keeps your whites white that’s gotta be progress.

Open racism is ok if it's for the progressive cause.

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