Why do people hate on SUV drivers?

magicbastarder · 08-04-2021 8:51am

2012 octavia. reason i bought it? family member was moving it on, it was going for a steal, and in perfect nick (only 60k on the clock when i bought it).
and the octavia is like the tardis. no matter how much you put in it, you'll find space for more.
it's the 1.2TSi model, enough power and quite economical.

08-04-2021 8:54am

Range Rover, love it.

stephenmarr · 08-04-2021 8:54am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Any practical advice for two week old babies on taking responsibility for their own safety?

https://twitter.com/ormondroyd/status/1379166345451868161?s=19

That was an absolute horrendous thing to happen.

But there are unfortunately people killed every day by all types of vehicles.
Not all accidents are caused by suv's
So that's a pointless statement

stephenmarr · 08-04-2021 8:58am

magicbastarder wrote: »

2012 octavia. reason i bought it? family member was moving it on, it was going for a steal, and in perfect nick (only 60k on the clock when i bought it).
and the octavia is like the tardis. no matter how much you put in it, you'll find space for more.
it's the 1.2TSi model, enough power and quite economical.

So would you like to be labeled a farmer for driving that plenty of farmers down here have them, also most are filthy dirty.
Or labeled a boy Racer because its either or.

I like all types of cars

magicbastarder · 08-04-2021 9:00am

stephenmarr wrote: »

So that's a pointless statement

it seems to have been a reaction to your 'i'm alright, jack' reaction to me making the argument that high vehicles make the road more hazardous for other road users - 'your safety is your responsibility' was your comment.
my safety is my responsibility, *and* yours if you're driving. that's utterly fundamental.

magicbastarder · 08-04-2021 9:02am

stephenmarr wrote: »

So would you like to be labeled a farmer for driving that plenty of farmers down here have them, also most are filthy dirty.

couldn't care less.

08-04-2021 9:03am

magicbastarder wrote: »

couldn't care less.

I doubt SUV drivers care either.

whisky_galore · 08-04-2021 9:05am

Wibbs wrote: »

However and though not an SUV I would suggest anyone who bought a Skoda Roomster should just be taken out and shot to reduce the risk of polluting the human gene pool any further.

That abomination is so bereft of any understanding of proportion and aesthetics that any person with two functioning eyeballs who walked into a dealership and slapped down money to buy one is not deserving of life. Yeah they can give me an itch in the centre of my head alright. I have been tempted to enquire from owners, why? sweet Jesus, why?

It's like a car Homer Simpson designed.

magicbastarder · 08-04-2021 9:07am

Dav010 wrote: »

I doubt SUV drivers care either.

some definitely do.

08-04-2021 9:09am

magicbastarder wrote: »

some definitely do.

Ironically, the op seems to drive a VW Tiguan, or at least does a lot of posting about how good they are.

sebdavis · 08-04-2021 9:10am

The World is converting to SUV/Crossover. In America the likes of VW are not selling the new ID.3 because it is a car and they don't buy cars.
I have a mate who works in Toyota, they find it a lot harder to sell cars anymore and everyone wants a new Crossover/SUV.

Also people calling them SUV's is not right, majority are Crossovers, give it a few years and everything new will be some sort of Crossover.

magicbastarder · 08-04-2021 9:25am

in general, cars are just getting bigger regardless.

stephenmarr · 08-04-2021 9:26am

I also couldn't care less what people drive, wear, watch, do.

The world would be a better place if all the Karen's and Keith's kept there opinions to themselves.

magicbastarder · 08-04-2021 9:43am

well, this *is* an internet discussion forum. the whole raison d'etre of the place is to voice opinions.

Wibbs · 08-04-2021 9:47am

magicbastarder wrote: »

in general, cars are just getting bigger regardless.

Very much so. About the first thing that hits you when you come upon a vintage/classic car on the road is how tiny cars were for the most part. Sure you have big American stuff in the past and some old Mercs were big solid cars, but overall cars were much smaller in the past. Safety had a large part to play of course. It's easier to make a bigger car safer than a smaller car. You then get bigger overhangs front and back, higher bonnet lines and the like. Plus cars have much more "stuff" in them. Larger more comfortable seats, more space on the inside and all that so will naturally get bigger.

magicbastarder · 08-04-2021 9:50am

my mother drove a 2005 micra for years and loved it; it had five doors so she could get the grandkids in, was exceptionally reliable, and was the right size for her too (she says she's 5' tall but is actually 4' 11.5" but won't let anyone deny her that half inch), and when it came time to replace it, she naturally tried the new micra but couldn't get over how bloated it was.
she ended up getting an i10. i was arguing that an electric car would be more sensible (the car rarely goes more than 5km from the house, so has barely warmed up by the time she gets to her destination), but i think the only real option at the time (small car, five doors) was the zoe.

beauf · 08-04-2021 10:00am

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

This whole argument of not being able to see the road ahead of an SUV is bollox

What's wrong that you can't stay safe by just keeping a safe distance from the car in front of you ? Why do you have to see the road up ahead ?

Simple answer is you don't !

Too many times I've been driving a bus/coach/truck and I'd be moving along work traffic in front of me and when I look in the mirror there's always some clown up my hole and poking of the right hand side of me to either push me on or get ahead of me.

All just to see the road ahead ? Bollox.

Keep a safe distance behind and you won't need to see the road ahead, look at the vehicle in front of you and don't be up it's arse. You'll see more too.

At the rate some people in this thread are going we'll have to remove Vans, trucks, buses and all sorts from the roads.

Seeing more is always better than seeing less.

If you want to drive slowly with constant queue of vehicles behind you that's one thing. But people are allowed to overtake. Nothing wrong with that.

It's a bit hypocritical to argue each to their own, live and let live, then want to dictate how other people drive. That everyone has to keep in a line behind you, because you want to drive slowly.

beauf · 08-04-2021 10:08am

magicbastarder wrote: »

my mother drove a 2005 micra for years and loved it; it had five doors so she could get the grandkids in, was exceptionally reliable, and was the right size for her too (she says she's 5' tall but is actually 4' 11.5" but won't let anyone deny her that half inch), and when it came time to replace it, she naturally tried the new micra but couldn't get over how bloated it was.
she ended up getting an i10. i was arguing that an electric car would be more sensible (the car rarely goes more than 5km from the house, so has barely warmed up by the time she gets to her destination), but i think the only real option at the time (small car, five doors) was the zoe.

New Micra is hardly massive.

But that old one with its frog headlights was a bit of an eyesore.

You'd want to be in the bigger car when something like a large SUV hits you. That's where the size makes a big difference.

magicbastarder · 08-04-2021 10:12am

and we're back to the arms race again; i need a bigger car because someone else is driving a luxobarge.

liamog · 08-04-2021 10:25am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Any practical advice for two week old babies on taking responsibility for their own safety?

The problem is not the car, it's the driver, cars don't hit prams drivers who recklessly control their vehicle do.

beauf · 08-04-2021 10:26am

magicbastarder wrote: »

and we're back to the arms race again; i need a bigger car because someone else is driving a luxobarge.

Oh I agree. Only way to stop it is to have govt policies discouraging large vehicles, or encouraging small vehicles.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_car

At some point they have to realise the environmental impact of oversized vehicles.

That said she the same reason a small car is less suited for high speed long distance driving. A larger one is less suited to urban and city driving.

garv123 · 08-04-2021 10:27am

The way people are going on here, youd swear the Qashqai and the likes were the size of a military humvee

magicbastarder · 08-04-2021 10:29am

liamog wrote: »

The problem is not the car, it's the driver, cars don't hit prams drivers who recklessly control their vehicle do.

he was responding to someone who made this point:
"As for your points , you have to be responsible for your own safety. "

so he *was* responding to a driver who seems to have outsourced safety issues onto other road users.

sebdavis · 08-04-2021 10:30am

garv123 wrote: »

The way people are going on here, youd swear the Qashqai and the likes were the size of a military humvee

Most of the Crossover are a car just with a bigger set of wheels. I put my old Golf beside one of the Kia Niro "Crossover" and it difference was actually very little in terms of size and height.

magicbastarder · 08-04-2021 10:32am

actually, one of those larger vehicles which seems to be getting much more popular is the mitsubishi outlander (or at least, i think it's the outlander) PHEV. is it just me, or are they noticeably increasing in number?

sebdavis · 08-04-2021 10:32am

magicbastarder wrote: »

in general, cars are just getting bigger regardless.

I was at local playground the other day(within 5km range and all). We had a collection of the soccer mum SUV's. So X5, XC90, Q7 & Land Rover all in the same car, was interesting to look at them all.

All of them parked so either side you couldn't get a car into the slot, I don't blame the driver either, if they parked and cars parked either side the kids would never get out without damaging both cars.

One of the big issues with buying the large SUV is that modern car parking spaces are just not big enough

beauf · 08-04-2021 10:32am

garv123 wrote: »

The way people are going on here, youd swear the Qashqai and the likes were the size of a military humvee

Why do you think there's something wrong with a Humvee?

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/hummer/h2/fpa/202102118966866?journey=Search

sebdavis · 08-04-2021 10:34am

magicbastarder wrote: »

actually, one of those larger vehicles which seems to be getting much more popular is the mitsubishi outlander (or at least, i think it's the outlander) PHEV. is it just me, or are they noticeably increasing in number?

The PHEV element is what makes them more appealing. 30km on battery.

Plus it used to be the biggest seller in the UK because of the PHEV, loads bought as company vehicles. You can pick them up cheap in warranty in the UK but also laods of dealers buying 80k mile versions for next to nothing in UK because out of warranty, then slapping a big margin and selling in Ireland, easy money

magicbastarder · 08-04-2021 10:34am

32 grand for a 14 year old vehicle? bloody nora. you'd probably want to be on the minimum wage just to afford the road tax.

beauf · 08-04-2021 10:35am

sebdavis wrote: »

....One of the big issues with buying the large SUV is that modern car parking spaces are just not big enough

I don't know why we keep making small parking spaces. Makes no sense.

beauf · 08-04-2021 10:37am

magicbastarder wrote: »

32 grand for a 14 year old vehicle? bloody nora. you'd probably want to be on the minimum wage just to afford the road tax.

This is about personal choice not money.

This is not an economic argument. It's not bangeromics.

magicbastarder · 08-04-2021 10:38am

i wonder if it comes with bulletproof glass.
not that i'm making any value judgement on a lot of people who'd consider buying it, of course.

millb · 08-04-2021 10:39am

magicbastarder wrote: »

in general, cars are just getting bigger regardless.

Cars in Ireland / Europe have increased in width by approx 30% since 1970's.

Access Roads and paths and bicycles have not increased in width.

The fatter your car the more space you dominate..

... and extend that to a driver's ego.. add in a bit of entitlement or whatever

liamog · 08-04-2021 10:39am

.anon. wrote: »

The proliferation of the things in urban areas is everyone's business. The amount of public space they occupy is everyone's business. That they're so often driven by people who show no awareness of their surroundings is everyone's business.

Take the Corolla vs a C-HR for instance, one of these is an SUV and the root of all evil, the other is a family hatchback.

Corolla 4.65m x 1.79m
C-HR 4.38m x 1.79m
Rav 4 4.6m x 1.85m

The SUV is a shorter car, and therefore takes up less space.

edit. added the Rav 4, to further demonstrate that the popular SUVs people buy, aren't really taking up much more urban space

beauf · 08-04-2021 10:40am

sebdavis wrote: »

The PHEV element is what makes them more appealing. 30km on battery.
.

The future is hybrids with a big electric only range. Manufacturers are slow to realise that.

millb · 08-04-2021 10:41am

beauf wrote: »

I don't know why we keep making small parking spaces. Makes no sense.

It is time for 2 sizes of parking space. Small and Large. single or double.

sebdavis · 08-04-2021 10:43am

beauf wrote: »

I don't know why we keep making small parking spaces. Makes no sense.

To fit more people into the car park....then slap a big sign up saying you are not responsible for any damage

Hence why most cars these days have every panels battered

beauf · 08-04-2021 10:43am

magicbastarder wrote: »

i wonder if it comes with bulletproof glass.
not that i'm making any value judgement on a lot of people who'd consider buying it, of course.

You'll have to take that up with Arnie...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-goods/2020/1/2/20992114/hummer-masculinity-america-humvee-schwarzenegger

beauf · 08-04-2021 10:45am

millb wrote: »

It is time for 2 sizes of parking space. Small and Large. single or double.

Some car parks have some spots marked as compact cars only. Makes sense.

sebdavis · 08-04-2021 10:46am

beauf wrote: »

The future is hybrids with a big electric only range. Manufacturers are slow to realise that.

The new KIA Sorento PHEV, sold out and no idea when it will be available to order when I checked....it has a 50km range on it. Which is plenty for most people on day to day usage

beauf · 08-04-2021 10:48am

sebdavis wrote: »

To fit more people into the car park....then slap a big sign up saying you are not responsible for any damage

Hence why most cars these days have every panels battered

True and most car parks are private.

Considering the lack of parking in new housing I'm not sure the govt would even want to suggest making parking spots bigger.

It's interesting when you drive in the States how small European cars seem there.

AndrewJRenko · 08-04-2021 10:54am

millb wrote: »

It is time for 2 sizes of parking space. Small and Large. single or double.

And double the price of parking for the double size vehicles.

beauf · 08-04-2021 10:55am

sebdavis wrote: »

The new KIA Sorento PHEV, sold out and no idea when it will be available to order when I checked....it has a 50km range on it. Which is plenty for most people on day to day usage

Oh theres few BMW's and Volvo etc.

FrankC21 · 08-04-2021 10:58am

In my honest opinion, people buy them because its the trend much like the phones, "oh john mary bought a SUV/crossover I must have them aswell" I see it at work all the time, when somebody bought big bulky SUV another one will buy a much bigger one bloody hell. When I bought the fluence saloon they all told me at work oh why did you not qashqai or juke instead. Fck off

I'm a person that would not spend too much money on a thing that depreciate ones you brought it out of the shop, that you will only use for A to B. But sure keep buying this SUV/crossover I'll just wait, there will be plenty of saloons for the like of skoda superb/ a6 to choose from when it goes down in prices.

08-04-2021 11:02am

I would suggest the reason why they are unpopular is that they are usually being

driven by middle aged ladies who have no idea how to properly drive or park such

a large vehicle.

No, I'm not a sexist but that's what I'm seeing when I'm on the road!

E36Ross · 08-04-2021 11:17am

I drive an 'SUV', About 2200kg kerb weight, 2.8 Diesel with no DPF/Cat on it and yes it has a massive bullbar.... I can just about get it under normal carpark height restrictions.

And its fcuking brilliant!!

beauf · 08-04-2021 11:22am

Oscar Madison wrote: »

I would suggest the reason why they are unpopular is that they are usually being ...

Well the vehicles are popular which is why we see so many.

But the thread title was why do no people "Hate" on SUV drivers. But nothing to back this up. People hate bad drivers. It's unlikely that all SUV drivers are bad drivers. So it's a nonsensical thread title anyway.

The J Stands for Jay · 08-04-2021 11:32am

stephenmarr wrote: »

Think its more down to the safety measures volvo have designed

Volvo intend that no-one dies in (or is killed by) any of their cars.

The J Stands for Jay · 08-04-2021 11:41am

stephenmarr wrote: »

Here's a question for all the suv bashers on this thread.
What do ye all drive and the reason you bought why you bought it.

Just for the record I drive a

2005 Xc90, it's in mint condition.
I love the extra space inside and the high driving position.

Mondeo. Needed room for the kids in the back, and wanted a big boot, which crossovers don't seem to have.

stephenmarr · 08-04-2021 11:41am

McGaggs wrote: »

Volvo intend that no-one dies in (or is killed by) any of their cars.

The new Xc90 is the safest car in the world. What more do you need.
Would rather have my kids safe than worry about what people think of my Xc90

Why do people hate on SUV drivers?

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