More people believing Conspiracy theories

B-D-P-- · 28-10-2020 12:23pm #1

With all this extra time on our hands, I find more & more people are believing the random conspiracy theories online.

Talking to relatives & friends, most of which would laugh if ya mentioned a conspiracy theory before are now telling me they are starting to agree?
I mean, these people are not the kind you would ever associate with them before.

After watching "Social Delima" on Netflix, I guess that this shows a remarkable resemblance to how if you see it enough on your feed, even if your not subscribed, it slowly starts to take grip in your mind
I'm also put it down to people having more spare time on their hands to "Research" them.

I'm not on about the NWO theories, but that covid is purpose made, or the government prefer to keep us in lockdown bullsh1t.

I keep relying back on my reply of "What experts? Who are "they"? Why is no actual medical professionals saying this" but being honest I'm loosing interest in arguing with the facebook facts..

Anybody else circle starting to wear tinfoil hats or is it just me?

Wibbs · 28-10-2020 12:35pm

Well if the average IQ is 100 that's a lot of people floating about below that so that's one factor. The next is boredom. Many if not most people have lives full with routine stuff they do everyday which keeps the mind and body active, take that away and they start to think about stuff more and maybe for the first time in their adult lives so the mind wanders. Then you have an apparently novel and out of the ordinary change in life and society and that raises questions and shatters the comfortable routine. Then you have quite the number out there who otherwise are informed around their general lives but are lacking much beyond it. Then you have social media and Ann and Paddy on Facebook... Lots of ingredients for tinfoil and how to make hats right there.

jimgoose · 28-10-2020 12:55pm

Yurt. The Dumb is strong in a lot of people, an air-sea change in lifestyle like the one currently obtaining lets that bubble to the surface in several ways.

Potatoeman · 28-10-2020 1:00pm

A good conspiracy is hard to prove and hard to disprove. If the idea appeals to someone they are more likely to agree.

Gregor Samsa · 28-10-2020 2:31pm

It’s pretty clear that fluoride in drinking water, 5G, Bill Gates’ vaccines and the Soros funded liberal media are all engineered to make people believe all kinds of absolute nonsense about who is controlling the world and how.

The_Brood · 28-10-2020 2:36pm

I have no information about covid being man made...

But how in the world do you think the government is not keeping us in lockdown on purpose? How is that even disputable, let alone a conspiracy theory?

The government had 2 real choices. Either total China shutdown that roots out the virus, allowing people to get back to their lives, or no lockdowns Sweden/Belarus style, accepting the consequences.

The current quasi kind of-not really lockdown achieves nothing but ruining the economy while keeping most avenues for the virus to spread open, ensuring endless waves of lockdowns.

Please explain how that is wrong?

Pauliedragon · 28-10-2020 2:38pm

Boredom is humanitys worst enemy. When we think too much we come up with strange ideas.

banie01 · 28-10-2020 2:42pm

Interesting paper on the psychological motivations and issues behind the growing rise of the conspiracy.

https://phys.org/news/...storylines-fall.html

This particular paper is based around pizzagate and its growth, proliferation and the subsequent layering and connecting with other CT's.

The AI tangent is interesting but quite honestly the mind-maps are enough for any rational person espousing this particular CT or ones related to it, to at least question their certainty.

Even debating with CT proponents become tiresome as they Gish gallop or rely on tiny variances.
Spend a little time over on boards CT forum and meet the inmates

Harry Palmr · 28-10-2020 2:43pm

Conspiracy theories are the sign of the comfortable, complacent and bored If you have real stuff to get on with you just don't have time for this crap.

Wibbs · 28-10-2020 2:45pm

spook_cook wrote: »

Yeah, I've seen more and more on the rounds.

The political ones usually just ally to the person's own politics, but seeing a lot of:
- Melania is dead/is a double.
- Boris's baby doesn't exist (that rabbit hole is hilarious).
- Russia is behind <literally_anything>

Then you've the ones on corona and the great reset. Which oddly is on the cover of Time, which must drive CTers nuts.

And then a lot of ones I think are derived from the Epstein case involving world leaders and human trafficing.

I wanna say they're all nuts. But you would have said that a while ago about the spying on everyone in the West, UFOs...

That's the thing about conspiracies, they seem believable and sometimes they turn out to be true, or have a grain of truth in them.

I suspect the Epstein case will be one of them. In the sense that there is a group of so called elites in positions of wealth and power that are deviants out of the box, or become deviants through boredom or greasy pole climbing and Epstein was one of the facilitators and likely(or wouldn't be a shock) groomed and placed in that position by some agent, state or otherwise for leverage purposes on his "clients"(his lifestyle, wealth and initial near immunity to prosecution don't add up). And yeah was likely killed to keep him quiet. I have the feeling we got a look behind a couple of curtains there, but it will be a brief one, swallowed up by the pandemic and other news, used as distractions and left in the box marked "conspiracy".

Hell Weinstein was sexually abusing and raping women, many of them very high profile women for many years while he was being feted by the "great and good" because he was making oodles of cash while producing "worthy" blockbusters. Note how it all only came out after his star had faded. It wouldn't have come out in the 90's I'm pretty sure of that.

buried · 28-10-2020 2:45pm

Bound to happen. A legacy of the disaster Invasion of Iraq. People were sold a pup. A litany of lies. No one held accountable for it, nor ever will be held accountable. The aftermath created even more realms of confusion on the western population with the Arab spring, one minute some dictator is a disgrace, next month they are a great lad, next month a disgrace again and must be killed, but then we'll get a even bigger disgrace such as ISIS to kill the dictator for us and afterwards we will go kill ISIS. Its not difficult to gleam why people don't trust anything anymore given the goings on within the last 20-15 years.

biko · 28-10-2020 2:49pm

With all the crap that's going on lately it's hard to say what's theory and what's real.

parttime · 28-10-2020 2:51pm

OMM 0000 wrote:

The pair were struck off as solicitors in 2018 for matters completely separate to this garda investigation.

Boredom is humanities best friend. When we think to much we come up with great ideas...

thomas 123 · 28-10-2020 2:51pm

It’s an interesting one, I think the big ones like JFK, 9/11 pearl harbor are interesting and should not be muzzled by the likes of youtube.

On the other hand you have people peddling ****e for profit, there is a fine line though.

Harry Palmr · 28-10-2020 2:52pm

Gogglebox is of course an elaborate surveillance programme disguised as a light entertainment format. Everyone on those sofas is being watched for a reason.

jackboy · 28-10-2020 2:53pm

If anyone was told a year ago that soon people will be banned from going from relatives funerals that would have been one of the most lunatic conspiracy theories going, yet here we are.

28-10-2020 2:54pm

I think the reason for an uptick in conspiracy theories gaining legitimacy is because of things such as Jeffrey Epstein and his island/paedo network were routinely dismissed as absolute bunkum and conspiratorial only a year ago.

Further back you had the ridiculousness of the twin tower attackers passports being miraculously found, albeit slightly charred, in the wreckage of the buildings. The whole Bohemian Grove thing was apparently bull****, until it wasn't. The widespread acceptance and silencing of molestation in hollywood and the depravity of many previously respected people has come to the fore.

A lot of what was dismissed has now been proven to be true. Therefore you can't blame people distrusting the narrative they are regularly and repeatedly told in the mainstream media.

If Trump has done anything good in his presidency, it is the fact that people now have less faith in what they are being told.

*Edit: Wibbs beat me to it*

Harry Palmr · 28-10-2020 2:56pm

jackboy wrote: »

If anyone was told a year ago that soon people will be banned from going from relatives funerals that would have been one of the most lunatic conspiracy theories going, yet here we are.

Only if you didn't offer a plausible, medically sound reason.

thelad95 · 28-10-2020 2:57pm

The_Brood wrote: »

I have no information about covid being man made...

But how in the world do you think the government is not keeping us in lockdown on purpose? How is that even disputable, let alone a conspiracy theory?

The government had 2 real choices. Either total China shutdown that roots out the virus, allowing people to get back to their lives, or no lockdowns Sweden/Belarus style, accepting the consequences.

The current quasi kind of-not really lockdown achieves nothing but ruining the economy while keeping most avenues for the virus to spread open, ensuring endless waves of lockdowns.

Please explain how that is wrong?

Because most countries actually believe in human rights and most governments erroneously believed that they could strike a balance between imposing Draconian restrictions on free movement and still allowing people as much as possible get on with their lives. That citizens could be trusted to do what was right as a lot of European countries constitutions wouldn't even allow for the tight measures implemented in China. That borders could be kept open as citizens could be trusted to only use international travel for truly essential purposes.

Unfortunately, as much as I hate the phrase, the virus doesn't care about human rights. So inevitably any country that tried a sort of in-between set of lockdown measures has had to re-implement Draconian measures as once freedom of movement was restored, people took liberties and what is an extremely contagious virus inevitably spread again.

Behind all the conspiracy nonsense, the fact of the matter is, most world leaders are not in any way scientific minded or have any sort of medical background. Most countries had some sort of "expert advisory board" who implemented recommendations which were then half arsedly implemented or twisted to suit big industries. They are not trying to keep us in lockdown, why would they do this? To what ends? If anything most governments are trying to keep us out of lockdown, our very own government rejected a lockdown proposal a few weeks ago only to have to row back on it. A lot of European countries re-opened to tourism against medical advice as they knew it was a massive industry that needed to be serviced in some way.

jackboy · 28-10-2020 2:59pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Only if you didn't offer a plausible, medically sound reason.

Even if all the facts were accurately predicted it still would have been an off the wall conspiracy theory.

Harry Palmr · 28-10-2020 3:01pm

Not really, there is a history of "global" pandemics and this just happens to be the current one.

28-10-2020 3:19pm

thelad95 wrote: »

Behind all the conspiracy nonsense, the fact of the matter is, most world leaders are not in any way scientific minded or have any sort of medical background. Most countries had some sort of "expert advisory board" who implemented recommendations which were then half arsedly implemented or twisted to suit big industries. They are not trying to keep us in lockdown, why would they do this? To what ends? If anything most governments are trying to keep us out of lockdown, our very own government rejected a lockdown proposal a few weeks ago only to have to row back on it. A lot of European countries re-opened to tourism against medical advice as they knew it was a massive industry that needed to be serviced in some way.

The theory is that they're deliberately trying to crash economies, to bring in The Great Reset (already publicly announced), a part of which is 'The Great Debt Reset'. That theory says once economies are on their knees and people in huge debt as a result, the proposal will be "in return for wiping all of your debts, agree to give up ownership of your property etc, along with agreeing to mandatory vaccination programs and enrollment in a digital ID program, increased surveillance/tracking etc"

It will effectively leave most of the population at the mercy and control of government (more EU/world government), in which if you won't have much of a choice but to do what you're told.

A continued transference of wealth from middle/bottom to the top is happening as we speak. Notice how currently these start/stop lockdowns are wiping out small businesses, with people being forced to spend their money with the likes of Amazon etc even more.

Government 'rejecting' Level 3 a while ago was to simply give the illusion of choice. Another Level 5 was always the plan. But by doing a quick Level 3, they could say "well we tried, but people can't be trusted. No choice now". Quietens dissenters/protest a bit more.

Covid has a 0.03% chance of killing anyone outside of the elderly and medically vulnerable. Yet here we are, locked down and restricted, with no end in sight. 0.03%... "Pandemic".. really?

Here's some of their promotional material. Sounds amazing, right? :rolleyes: Look into it yourself. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss publicly proposed plans like this as "nonsense" just yet.

ohnonotgmail · 28-10-2020 3:21pm

spook_cook wrote: »

Yeah, I've seen more and more on the rounds.

The political ones usually just ally to the person's own politics, but seeing a lot of:
- Melania is dead/is a double.

Now to be fair I did make a thread on this on in the CT forum but you would have to be blind to not notice that trump has been using melania doubles.

Gregor Samsa · 28-10-2020 3:22pm

The_Brood wrote: »

The government had 2 real choices. Either total China shutdown that roots out the virus, allowing people to get back to their lives, or no lockdowns Sweden/Belarus style, accepting the consequences.

This is where you're wrong. The government here didn't have the choice of a total Chinese style lockdown. Our Constitution and laws, not to mention our economy, culture and society, don't allow for that level of restriction. We never had the option to totally eradicate the virus. We went as far as we could in Spring - hell, we actually went further, because in some instances the Government gave the impression that some restrictions were legally mandated, when in fact they were only guidelines. It's not due to a conspiracy that we didn't go further - it's the natural limits of western democracy. We're always going to be fighting with one hand behind our back in comparison to a dictatorship.

AlphaDelta1 · 28-10-2020 3:23pm

My favorite ones are "The Russian's did it" that so many people seem to buy into. It's like taking a step back in time to 1960's America i'd say.

jimgoose · 28-10-2020 3:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

...Here's some of their promotional material. Sounds amazing, right? :rolleyes: Look into it yourself. I wouldn't be so quick dismiss publicly proposed plans like this as "nonsense" just yet...

As far as I can make out from that video, the plan is to turn the entire population into Millennial baristas and Deliveroo riders in Trendy Co-Living Environments.

28-10-2020 3:29pm

jimgoose wrote: »

As far as I can make out from that video, the plan is to turn the entire population into Millennial baristas and Deliveroo riders in Trendy Co-Living Environments.

And as if that's not bad enough, that's just their glossy promotional front. Look into some independent sources/videos who analyze their proposals/ideas more objectively. It's not good. At all.

sky88 · 28-10-2020 3:32pm

I think a lot of it is people who want to be smarter than everyone else and thus is there way of proving it and that everyone else are puppets as they like to say

Hector Savage · 28-10-2020 3:35pm

I don't think more people are believing conspiracy theories , I think the definition of "Conspiracy theory" has become quite broad though, in order just to smear people with different political views.

Mister Vain · 28-10-2020 3:37pm

Wibbs wrote: »

That's the thing about conspiracies, they seem believable and sometimes they turn out to be true, or have a grain of truth in them.

I suspect the Epstein case will be one of them. In the sense that there is a group of so called elites in positions of wealth and power that are deviants out of the box, or become deviants through boredom or greasy pole climbing and Epstein was one of the facilitators and likely(or wouldn't be a shock) groomed and placed in that position by some agent, state or otherwise for leverage purposes on his "clients"(his lifestyle, wealth and initial near immunity to prosecution don't add up). And yeah was likely killed to keep him quiet. I have the feeling we got a look behind a couple of curtains there, but it will be a brief one, swallowed up by the pandemic and other news, used as distractions and left in the box marked "conspiracy".

Hell Weinstein was sexually abusing and raping women, many of them very high profile women for many years while he was being feted by the "great and good" because he was making oodles of cash while producing "worthy" blockbusters. Note how it all only came out after his star had faded. It wouldn't have come out in the 90's I'm pretty sure of that.

The Epstein case is an interesting one. The British royalty, the former Mossad agents, the honey trapping, the sex island - it has it all. I can only imagine how deep it goes.

Mister Vain · 28-10-2020 3:40pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

I don't think more people are believing conspiracy theories , I think the definition of "Conspiracy theory" has become quite broad though, in order just to smear people with different political views.

Apparently the term "conspiracy theory" was invented by the CIA to discredit anyone who questioned the official version of John F Kennedy’s assassination. Or is that a conspiracy theory too?

quokula · 28-10-2020 3:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The theory is that they're deliberately trying to crash economies, to bring in The Great Reset (already publicly announced), a part of which is 'The Great Debt Reset'. That theory says once economies are on their knees and people in huge debt as a result, the proposal will be "in return for wiping all of your debts, agree to give up ownership of your property etc, along with agreeing to mandatory vaccination programs and enrollment in a digital ID program, increased surveillance/tracking etc"

It will effectively leave most of the population at the mercy and control of government (more EU/world government), in which if you won't have much of a choice but to do what you're told.

A continued transference of wealth from middle/bottom to the top is happening as we speak. Notice how currently these start/stop lockdowns are wiping out small businesses, with people being forced to spend their money with the likes of Amazon etc even more.

Government 'rejecting' Level 3 a while ago was to simply give the illusion of choice. Another Level 5 was always the plan. But by doing a quick Level 3, they could say "well we tried, but people can't be trusted. No choice now". Quietens dissenters/protest a bit more.

Covid has a 0.03% chance of killing anyone outside of the elderly and medically vulnerable. Yet here we are, locked down and restricted, with no end in sight. 0.03%... "Pandemic".. really?

Here's some of their promotional material. Sounds amazing, right? :rolleyes: Look into it yourself. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss publicly proposed plans like this as "nonsense" just yet.

Yeah this is complete nonsense.

The "own nothing and you'll be happy" article can be found here

It is a hypothetical piece written by a single Danish MP several years ago that made some speculative theories about the direction things are heading with an increasing service economy with things like uber replacing car ownership, pay as you go bike rental schemes, Netflix replacing owning movies etc, and the article specifically calls out the downsides of dependence on such services as they can involve trading away your privacy, and leave sections of society left behind.

The Author wrote:

Some people have read this blog as my utopia or dream of the future. It is not. It is a scenario showing where we could be heading - for better and for worse. I wrote this piece to start a discussion about some of the pros and cons of the current technological development. When we are dealing with the future, it is not enough to work with reports. We should start discussions in many new ways. This is the intention with this piece.

It's a long, long way from some kind of statement of intent that world governments are going to set a virus loose and use it as an excuse to steal everyone's property.

Liberalbrehon · 28-10-2020 3:47pm

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Boredom is humanitys worst enemy. When we think too much we come up with strange ideas.

Blaise Pascal — 'All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.'

_Brian · 28-10-2020 3:55pm

People are often comfortable convincing themselves of this stuff because it absolves them of responsibly.

Don’t want to wear a mask, well it’s easier to agree with the nit jobs saying your poisoning yourself with your own Co2, now you have a reason not to and because it mentions Co2 it’s obviously science based.

China is far away and they live a totally different lifestyle, they are so different socially, so yea they probably made this to hurt us. Ignoring the fact that it’s hurt them terribly too.

The government are doing this just to control people and enforce a new world order. Yea that’s a handy thing to lumber onto a government you maybe didn’t vote for, it confirm you were right all along not to vote for them.

If your bored of being locked down, just start believing that we should drop lockdown and old people should hide away and protect themselves. Easy to justify this because you get normality back and blame anyone who catches covid because they should have stayed away. Not to mention that between older people and vulnerable people we would expect about a million people to hide, forever.

atilladehun · 28-10-2020 3:55pm

I think anxiety is a big issue here. People worry way too much, the media used to be a suitable amount of worry for most but phones have made worrying a main activity. To some people worrying about CTs feels like constructive worrying.

Gregor Samsa · 28-10-2020 4:04pm

quokula wrote: »

Yeah this is complete nonsense.

The "own nothing and you'll be happy" article can be found here

See, the problem here is that you're looking up source material and applying logic and context to interpreting what it means. That's not research.

Research is falling down Twitter, Facebook and YouTube rabbit holes of completely unverified lies and half truths, out of context quotes, memes and misunderstood statistics. How do you ever expect to believe in the global conspiracy for imminent human enslavement if you don't put the work in?

kippy · 28-10-2020 4:05pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

I don't think more people are believing conspiracy theories , I think the definition of "Conspiracy theory" has become quite broad though, in order just to smear people with different political views.

Totally agree with this. Some of the stuff mentioned on this thread have nothing to do with 'conspiracy theories' even.
I'd add though, like a lot of things the proliferation of the internet and sites on top of it have given a platform to everyone. Generally this is a good thing as is the proliferation of knowledge.

Edgware · 28-10-2020 4:53pm

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

See, the problem here is that you're looking up source material and applying logic and context to interpreting what it means. That's not research.

Research is falling down Twitter, Facebook and YouTube rabbit holes of completely unverified lies and half truths, out of context quotes, memes and misunderstood statistics. How do you ever expect to believe in the global conspiracy for imminent human enslavement if you don't put the work in?

Exactly. Abraham Lincoln never got involved in social media and was a great president unlike Trump who is forever tweeting ****e

28-10-2020 4:56pm

Is it any surprise when an official Garda twitter account posts pictures of Gardai guarding a display of Cadbury's Roses in the name of public health.

Mister Vain · 28-10-2020 5:08pm

_Brian wrote: »

People are often comfortable convincing themselves of this stuff because it absolves them of responsibly.

Don’t want to wear a mask, well it’s easier to agree with the nit jobs saying your poisoning yourself with your own Co2, now you have a reason not to and because it mentions Co2 it’s obviously science based.

China is far away and they live a totally different lifestyle, they are so different socially, so yea they probably made this to hurt us. Ignoring the fact that it’s hurt them terribly too.

The government are doing this just to control people and enforce a new world order. Yea that’s a handy thing to lumber onto a government you maybe didn’t vote for, it confirm you were right all along not to vote for them.

If your bored of being locked down, just start believing that we should drop lockdown and old people should hide away and protect themselves. Easy to justify this because you get normality back and blame anyone who catches covid because they should have stayed away. Not to mention that between older people and vulnerable people we would expect about a million people to hide, forever.

Well yes, in the same way 9/11 hurt America, but then they were able to justify invading the middle east. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but there could be a bigger picture.

branie2 · 28-10-2020 6:05pm

I like reading books on conspiracy theories, but I don't take them seriously.

Hyperbollix · 28-10-2020 6:24pm

Joe Rogan just had Alex Jones on the podcast and almost from minute one it was; "HUNTER BIDEN IS A BIG TIME CRIMINAL, THEY ARE BENT AS FÚCK, IT'S ALL REAL, IT'S A HUGE DEAL, CHECK IT OUT, IT'S ALL THERE............!"

I mean ok, if he was right about Jeffrey Epstein years ago that's one thing. But legitimizing an obvious Trump smear tactic a couple of week before an election is just sick. It's Hillary's emails all over again. You'd just hope the electorate could wake the fúck up.

Mister Vain · 28-10-2020 6:27pm

branie2 wrote: »

I like reading books on conspiracy theories, but I don't take them seriously.

I read one of David Icke's books. It was entertaining, especially the Bohemian Grove stuff, not so much the lizard people.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 28-10-2020 6:52pm

My brother has become a conspiracy theorist of sorts. It's always people of below average intelligence who go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. He's also a heavy cannabis smoker, which seems to be a factor as well. It started for him around the time of the water meter protests - European conspiracy, Denis O'Brien, signals from the meters impacting your health, fluoridation etc. It always seems to boil down to (if you'll pardon the pun) people in positions of authority or a perceived elite plotting against the poor auld pleb.

28-10-2020 7:22pm

quokula wrote: »

Yeah this is complete nonsense.

The "own nothing and you'll be happy" article can be found here

It is a hypothetical piece written by a single Danish MP several years ago that made some speculative theories about the direction things are heading with an increasing service economy with things like uber replacing car ownership, pay as you go bike rental schemes, Netflix replacing owning movies etc, and the article specifically calls out the downsides of dependence on such services as they can involve trading away your privacy, and leave sections of society left behind.

It's a long, long way from some kind of statement of intent that world governments are going to set a virus loose and use it as an excuse to steal everyone's property.

What are you waffling about Netflix and renting bicycles for? The article is literally headlined:
"Welcome to 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better".
"Welcome to the year 2030. Welcome to my city - or should I say, "our city". I don't own anything. I don't own a car. I don't own a house. I don't own any appliances or any clothes."
You're right, it is nonsense. Weird, weird sounding nonsense. Why the hell have they still got it on their site?

You should research into Klaus Schwab and his 'Great Reset' (based on his sh*t book of the same name). He's dreamed of it for years, apparently, and now says the 'pandemic' is the "perfect window of opportunity to implement it". There's some big backers involved, and a lot of countries are already adopting the 'Build Back Better' slogan (Biden and Trudeau being two examples who've featured the slogan at their campaigns). It's not coincidence they're all using the same slogan; someone is writing the script. World Economic Forum set to meet January:
"The Great Reset" will be the theme of a unique twin summit to be convened by the World Economic Forum in January 2021. The 51st World Economic Forum Annual Meeting will bring together global leaders from government, business and civil society, and stakeholders from around the world in a unique configuration that includes both in-person and virtual dialogues."

Unsurprisingly, they've been wiping a lot of his interview clips off youtube and other platforms. I shared one on another thread here last week where he says "the Great Reset / 4th Industrial Revolution will feature "facial recognition, tracking people, and synthetic biology vaccines". His book is also obsessed with increased surveillance, sacrificing privacy etc, showing repeated admiration for the Chinese style of government. Hence why they never bothered moving that 'nonsense' article off their website. Go check out some of his interviews. He'd be better off moving towards his true calling of playing a Bond villian, instead of trying to position himself as some unelected leader of a new world government/economic/societal reshape.

Sky News Australia ran a feature calling it for what it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se9rkxUK8zU

28-10-2020 7:44pm

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

My brother has become a conspiracy theorist of sorts. It's always people of below average intelligence who go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. He's also a heavy cannabis smoker, which seems to be a factor as well. It started for him around the time of the water meter protests - European conspiracy, Denis O'Brien, signals from the meters impacting your health, fluoridation etc. It always seems to boil down to (if you'll pardon the pun) people in positions of authority or a perceived elite plotting against the poor auld pleb.

Just because your brother is a stoner, doesn't mean the average thinking person should blindly trust the word of governments and big corporations :pac:

Gregor Samsa · 28-10-2020 8:06pm

It’s not a lunatic conspiracy theory to believe that an NGO has proposed various social and economic initiatives called The Great Reset. They have a fully public website all about it:

https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

There’s think tanks, Left, Right, Centre and other that come up with plans like this all the time. It’s what they do.

What is a lunatic conspiracy theory is that Covid 19 and the reaction to it is all part of some secret elite one-world government plan to implement it.

peasant · 28-10-2020 8:19pm

And then of course there are the real conspiracies.

Anyone remember the huge hype about ocean floor nodules mining from the 1970's?

Was supposed to make us all rich and the world a better place ...turns out it was all made up by the CIA to steal a Russian sub

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/deep_sea_mining

28-10-2020 8:36pm

peasant wrote: »

And then of course there are the real conspiracies.

Anyone remember the huge hype about ocean floor nodules mining from the 1970's?

Was supposed to make us all rich and the world a better place ...turns out it was all made up by the CIA to steal a Russian sub

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/deep_sea_mining

Wasn't around back then, but ya know how it is for some people. Whatever government/RTE tells them must be true, whereas anything to the contrary is 'conspiracy theory' :pac:

If anything, what this whole 'pandemic' has taught me is how easily people are controlled. To use an even earlier example from history, after the Ludlow Massacres in 1914, Rockefeller hired Ivy Lee to rebuild his public persona. Lee basically told him "be seen and pictured giving money to poor people. If you do it enough, people will trust you again and believe you're good". Guess what, it worked

The approach has been adopted by many since and still works to this day :pac:

28-10-2020 8:41pm

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

What is a lunatic conspiracy theory is that Covid 19 and the reaction to it is all part of some secret elite one-world government plan to implement it.

Are you calling them liars?

McGinniesta · 28-10-2020 9:01pm

Conspiracies exist and are an undeniable fact of life and always have been.

There are quite clearly some very tall tales being peddled as conspiracies. That is also obvious.

People and their opinions will clearly range from the extremely naive (i.e those who believe 100% of everything that they are told all of the time by everyone) to those who are conspiratorial or paranoid by nature whose opinions are at the other of the scale.

When it comes to matters of conspiracy I've chosen to keep an open mind on a lot of these subjects until I know enough to form an informed opinion one way or the other.

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