A treatise on Mick Wallace

Muahahaha · 03-10-2015 5:45pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

considering the penalty points issue had nothing what so ever to do with the garda or sgt or even inspector rank and was brought to the surface by a garda and sgt why do you think the gardai in general would be at all concerned about wallace?

its the usual from politicians like him , loads of nonsense allegations and veiled comments to the press without producing any actual facts or evidence in an effort to make themselves relevant in the face of an upcoming election which should see them thrown out on his tax dodging ass .

unfortunately Irish voters really are that stupid

How are they nonsense? The National Crime Agency in the UK and the Securities Exchange Commission in the US have launched investigations into the allegations. Are you saying that the NCA and SEC can't discern when allegations are credible or not?

mynamejeff · 03-10-2015 6:06pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

How are they nonsense? The National Crime Agency in the UK and the Securities Exchange Commission in the US have launched investigations into the allegations. Are you saying that the NCA and SEC can't discern when allegations are credible or not?

when a politician makes public allegations that they have to investigate or be accused of being part of a conspiracy themselves (even if the allegations come from a convicted criminal)

rain_soaked · 03-10-2015 6:43pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

considering the penalty points issue had nothing what so ever to do with the garda or sgt or even inspector rank and was brought to the surface by a garda and sgt why do you think the gardai in general would be at all concerned about wallace?

its the usual from politicians like him , loads of nonsense allegations and veiled comments to the press without producing any actual facts or evidence in an effort to make themselves relevant in the face of an upcoming election which should see them thrown out on his tax dodging ass .

unfortunately Irish voters really are that stupid

not sure how you ( definitively ) know who within AGS had a lot or nothing to do with the penalty points scandal ? , either way , wilson and mc cabe ( the whistleblowers ) claim to have taken heat from more than the top brass , they were ostracised by many of their colleagues which is often the case when you dont look the other way when it comes to corruption within the force , the wagons quickly circle

mynamejeff · 03-10-2015 6:51pm

rain_soaked wrote: »

not sure how you ( definitively ) know who within AGS had a lot or nothing to do with the penalty points scandal ? , either way , wilson and mc cabe ( the whistleblowers ) claim to have taken heat from more than the top brass , they were ostracised by many of their colleagues which is often the case when you dont look the other way when it comes to corruption within the force , the wagons quickly circle

the issue was removing penalty points. that could only be done by a superintendent rank or above.
That's a fact, despite this widely known and easily discover able fact, irresponsible media and irresponsible people in public office ranted and raved about how the corrupt garda cancelling points for their mates.

god forbid people did a bit of fact checking before opening their mouths

Muahahaha · 03-10-2015 10:27pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

when a politician makes public allegations that they have to investigate or be accused of being part of a conspiracy themselves (even if the allegations come from a convicted criminal)

You still haven't explained how these allegations are nonsense. Do you know something that we don't? You seem very sure that there is nothing in the allegations but you don't seem able to back it up.

All the while the NCA and SEC have opened investigations, which is presumably based on them believing that Wallaces and others claims are credible and there is something to be investigated here. The investigations have been ongoing for around 5 weeks now so I think I'll take the expertise of the NCA and SEC's opinion that there is something to be investigated here rather than your assertion that the allegations are nonsense, especially as you don't seem able to back up that claim.

If the allegations were nonsense and Wallace was literally making stuff up as you seem to be claiming then I don't think the NCA and SEC would have taken long to find that out. We're five weeks in so my guess is there is questions to be answered here, especially by Peter Robinson, who now seems so desperate that he is flinging around legal threats like confetti but isn't actually suing anyone for the allegations made against him. If Robinson wasn't part of the bribe then he should sue Wallace instead of just threatening it.

Jim2007 · 03-10-2015 10:52pm

Dob74 wrote: »

Unfortunately the legal scheme prohibits him from saying anything thing in public.

No this is not the case! If he has material evidence the then he has a valid defence in taking to the Garda. But at this point I doubt that he has anything beyond hearsay.

Going Forward · 04-10-2015 1:09pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

the issue was removing penalty points. that could only be done by a superintendent rank or above.
That's a fact, despite this widely known and easily discover able fact, irresponsible media and irresponsible people in public office ranted and raved about how the corrupt garda cancelling points for their mates.

god forbid people did a bit of fact checking before opening their mouths

The point is that superintendents acted at the behest of members who acted at the behest of their mates who wanted their points quashed.

We are in a society which is policed by a group of people that no one would believe has family members or friends who had reason to be subjected to taking penalty points if they didn't want them.

The public perception is that this was a perk of the job.

The fault for that does not lay at the public's feet.

jonnny68 · 04-10-2015 1:19pm

Wallace is a scuff who seriously needs some fashion advice and go to a decent barber, he might be no saint but on the grand scheme of things id take him any day of the week over gangsters like Enda Kenny, Alan Kelly and Joan Burton.

CramCycle · 04-10-2015 4:04pm

rain_soaked wrote: »

people like you would still claim that deputy clare daly ( whos politics are light years away from my own by the way ) was drunk that night the guards tried to stitch her up

Maybe my memory is hazy but did she not admit to having a drink, her excuse was that she didn't think the house measures would put her over the limit.

I could probably take a drink or two and not hit the limit. I still would not touch a drop if I was going to be driving. It was irresponsible in the extreme.

She also took an illegal turn. If I was a Garda, seen an illegal turn and then got a hint of whiskey from the driver. I too would have hauled her in.

mynamejeff · 04-10-2015 7:36pm

Going Forward wrote: »

The point is that superintendents acted at the behest of members who acted at the behest of their mates who wanted their points quashed.

We are in a society which is policed by a group of people that no one would believe has family members or friends who had reason to be subjected to taking penalty points if they didn't want them.

The public perception is that this was a perk of the job.

The fault for that does not lay at the public's feet.

So the boss is doing what the employee tells him/her to do at huge risk and no recourse to themselves.

Wasn't there an rather large and expensive public enquirey that found the allegations were almost totally unfounded and not the huge public scandal Wallace insisted it was.

Dont you find it strange that wallace made all these allegations and was later found to have benefited from the very same alleged wrong doing ?

CramCycle · 04-10-2015 9:16pm

rain_soaked wrote: »

provided you are not over the legal limit , there is no problem with taking a drink before driving , you might prefer a zero tollerance approach but the law is the law for now , it transpired that she was 60% below the legal limit , your attitude suggests the AGS attempt to slime her worked regardless of the fact that she was proved innocent of any wrongdoing

Not really, the fact that a politician would think that it's OK to have a drink and drive means I cannot trust their judgement. There are several politicians who fit this bill. I actually have alot of time for Deputy Daly and many of her views but it does not mean I respect her day to day judgement.

She had no idea how far below the limit she was. She just felt she was. Great judgement alright.

How is the Gardas fault. Did they force the whiskey down her throat, did they force her to make an illegal turn?

I suppose Mick was just doing investigative work when he got his PPs quashed or was it he broke the law and like every other crook tried to fiddle the system.

It's hard to find a politician I do have respect for in this country.At this point it's come down to the ones I can stomach. I can stomach Deputy Daly in the Dail but my stomach turns at the thought of Mick being thought of as fit to represent anyone bar himself.

Going Forward · 04-10-2015 9:35pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

So the boss is doing what the employee tells him/her to do at huge risk and no recourse to themselves.

Wasn't there an rather large and expensive public enquirey that found the allegations were almost totally unfounded and not the huge public scandal Wallace insisted it was.

Dont you find it strange that wallace made all these allegations and was later found to have benefited from the very same alleged wrong doing ?

He had points wiped?

News to me.

He didn't and you're suggesting that Garda discretion is ok to be applied retrospectively.

Whether you agree with my interpretation of garda discretion or not is not something I'll argue.

My own interpretation of the correct and expected use of it is that discretion is invoked at the time of making the decision to charge or dispense a warning at the roadside.

No point getting bogged down in WHY discretion is permitted IMO.

Going Forward · 04-10-2015 9:51pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Not really, the fact that a politician would think that it's OK to have a drink and drive means I cannot trust their judgement. There are several politicians who fit this bill. I actually have alot of time for Deputy Daly and many of her views but it does not mean I respect her day to day judgement.

She had no idea how far below the limit she was. She just felt she was. Great judgement alright.

How is the Gardas fault. Did they force the whiskey down her throat, did they force her to make an illegal turn?

I suppose Mick was just doing investigative work when he got his PPs quashed or was it he broke the law and like every other crook tried to fiddle the system.

It's hard to find a politician I do have respect for in this country.At this point it's come down to the ones I can stomach. I can stomach Deputy Daly in the Dail but my stomach turns at the thought of Mick being thought of as fit to represent anyone bar himself.

Her judgement was great.

She was well below the limit.

If your neighbour was breathalysed and found to be under the limit would you think it a bit odd to read about it in the local paper?

No? Ok.

Muahahaha · 04-10-2015 10:16pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

Im not the one making allegations, he is.

Yes you are, you made the allegation that Wallaces allegations are nonsense. I asked you to back up your claim that the allegations are nonsense twice now but its obvious that you can't do so. Your logic is flawed if you think that all it takes to investigate crime like this is 5 measly weeks, this investigation in likely to roll on the deeper they get into it. We already know that they have thousands of hours of Frank Cushnahans phone calls to listen through as well as other players.

I think it is pretty obvious to most people that there is something in these allegations by Mick Wallace. The blogger Jamie Bryson is now so confident in his evidence that he has publically called on Peter Robinson and others to sue him- i.e. either put up or shut up. But as he said in a recent blog post nobody will be suing him because if they do then they'll face cross examination and the whole deck of cards will come tumbling down.

If all keeps going the way it is Wallace will have uncovered around €75m of bribery connected to NAMA sales. Which would make him one of the most effective TDs in this current Dail.

Muahahaha · 05-10-2015 12:31am

CramCycle wrote: »

I suppose Mick was just doing investigative work when he got his PPs quashed or was it he broke the law and like every other crook tried to fiddle the system.

It's hard to find a politician I do have respect for in this country.At this point it's come down to the ones I can stomach. I can stomach Deputy Daly in the Dail but my stomach turns at the thought of Mick being thought of as fit to represent anyone bar himself.

I think you might be confusing Wallace with Ming Flanagan who got penalty points quashed. Wallace was seen driving whilst taking on his phone on Amiens St by two Gardai who then filtered it up the ranks to then Commissioner Callinan who told then Minister Shatter about the incident who then tried to use it against Wallace n a Prime Time interview before it backfired on him. AFAIK Wallace never got any penalty points for the offence, just a telling off.

Muahahaha · 05-10-2015 12:43am

Jim2007 wrote: »

No this is not the case! If he has material evidence the then he has a valid defence in taking to the Garda. But at this point I doubt that he has anything beyond hearsay.

If it is hearsay though why are the National Crime Agency in the UK and SEC in the UK still investigating it? Surely the main thrust of the allegation, i.e. that £7m was in an Isle of Man bank account could be found out in no time at all by these two organisations. If Wallaces allegations are hearsay and the £7m in the offshore account was just "nonsense" as mynamejeff has claimed then why has the investigation lasted even this long? Surely it would have been over in under 24 hours and Wallace would be facing charges of wasting police time?

What about the thousands of hours of taped phone calls relating to NAMA deals and fixers fees? Are they also hearsay? If Peter Robinson is found on these tapes discussing how he was to be paid money into an Isle of Man bank account will that also be hearsay? Or is the Irish government going to turn a blind eye to the First Minister in the North trousering taxpayers money from the South?

Muahahaha · 05-10-2015 12:46am

mynamejeff wrote: »

Dont you find it strange that wallace made all these allegations and was later found to have benefited from the very same alleged wrong doing ?

What are you talking about?

CramCycle · 05-10-2015 1:23pm

Going Forward wrote: »

Her judgement was great.

She was well below the limit.

If your neighbour was breathalysed and found to be under the limit would you think it a bit odd to read about it in the local paper?

No? Ok.

I would be shocked at my neighbours behaviour and would find it alarming that they thought it was OK.

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think you might be confusing Wallace with Ming Flanagan who got penalty points quashed. Wallace was seen driving whilst taking on his phone on Amiens St by two Gardai who then filtered it up the ranks to then Commissioner Callinan who told then Minister Shatter about the incident who then tried to use it against Wallace n a Prime Time interview before it backfired on him. AFAIK Wallace never got any penalty points for the offence, just a telling off.

I was taking mynameisjeff at his word, my mistake.

Going Forward · 05-10-2015 2:34pm

CramCycle wrote: »

I would be shocked at my neighbours behaviour and would find it alarming that they thought it was OK.

I didn't ask if you'd be shocked.

Would you expect to read about him passing a breathalyser test in the local paper?

I notice you seem to have missed that part of my question so I'm asking you that again.

Padraig Mor · 05-10-2015 2:51pm

Going Forward wrote: »

I didn't ask if you'd shocked.

Would you expect to read about him passing a breathalyser test in the local paper?

I notice you seem to have missed that part of my question so I'm asking you that again.

I was under the impression that Daly didn't pass the breathalyser test because the machine "didn't register a reading" (I wonder why?) but hey....

Dob74 · 05-10-2015 3:24pm

Jim2007 wrote:

No this is not the case! If he has material evidence the then he has a valid defence in taking to the Garda. But at this point I doubt that he has anything beyond hearsay.

The Gardai have proved themselves to be politically biased and sadly not to be trusted.
Why have no arrests been made from evidence from the moriaty tribunal?
Cliare Daly's arrest for alleged drunk driving shows that the Gardai are nothing more than another arm of the political establishment.
FG showing there contempt justice. As long as you are one of there followers you'll be fine.

Going Forward · 05-10-2015 5:45pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I was under the impression that Daly didn't pass the breathalyser test because the machine "didn't register a reading" (I wonder why?) but hey....

You mean like Mr. Shatter?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/shatter-i-failed-to-complete-breath-test-for-gardai-because-of-asthma-232221.html

Or what do you mean?

mynamejeff · 05-10-2015 7:40pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

What are you talking about?

im talking about the gardai using their own judgment which is exactly what was used when wallace was caught on the phone.

this is also the what is used when penelty points got cancelled by high ranking members of AGS. ( Again for those who missed it, public inquiry found no wrong doing )

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/wallace-got-120k-in-garda-arrest-claim-29289689.html

Looks like wallaces issued with the gardai goes back a bit longer than he likes to admit. and his use of influence as a developer . getting relaeased with out charge beforethe garda could dela with him , then getting a big fat settlement based only on wallaces version of events.
Seems legit doesn't it ?

also nice to see the apple doesn't fall far from the tree

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/four-boys-including-mick-wallaces-son-expelled-over-facebook-sex-claims-about-teachers-26854499.html

Satriale · 05-10-2015 7:49pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

im talking about the gardai using their own judgment which is exactly what was used when wallace was caught on the phone.

this is also the what is used when penelty points got cancelled by high ranking members of AGS. ( Again for those who missed it, public inquiry found no wrong doing )

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/wallace-got-120k-in-garda-arrest-claim-29289689.html

Looks like wallaces issued with the gardai goes back a bit longer than he likes to admit. and his use of influence as a developer . getting relaeased with out charge beforethe garda could dela with him , then getting a big fat settlement based only on wallaces version of events.
Seems legit doesn't it ?

also nice to see the apple doesn't fall far from the tree

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/four-boys-including-mick-wallaces-son-expelled-over-facebook-sex-claims-about-teachers-26854499.html

Jaysis, are you really using the mans child as a stick to beat him?

mynamejeff · 05-10-2015 7:50pm

Satriale wrote: »

Jaysis, are you really using the mans child as a stick to beat him?

no beating him would make me a criminal , just like him

CramCycle · 05-10-2015 7:56pm

Going Forward wrote: »

You mean like Mr. Shatter?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/shatter-i-failed-to-complete-breath-test-for-gardai-because-of-asthma-232221.html

Or what do you mean?

exactly the same I imagine. For all the hot air many politicians blow it's amazing they can't complete a breathalyser test.

Going Forward wrote: »

I didn't ask if you'd be shocked.

Would you expect to read about him passing a breathalyser test in the local paper?

I notice you seem to have missed that part of my question so I'm asking you that again.

No but then my neighbour is not a person in the public eye. I would be in favour of it but I understand why papers would publish Daly story over my unknown to the masses neighbour. Much the same way if he was done for drunk driving, it would not be mentioned in the national media whereas I would expect any TD to be shamed by the papers.

05-10-2015 7:57pm

Mick Wallace does not have to do a lot of work himself.

Whistle blowers and people with a grievance are queueing up to tell him stories ..... because he is anti establishment . And because he has a public voice. He is not off investigating and digging up stuff himself. It comes to him.

He does not seem to be able to back anything up as he refuses to go before the PAC...... which makes one wonder if it's not hearsay and 3rd party information at best!

Going Forward · 05-10-2015 8:13pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

im talking about the gardai using their own judgment which is exactly what was used when wallace was caught on the phone.

this is also the what is used when penelty points got cancelled by high ranking members of AGS. ( Again for those who missed it, public inquiry found no wrong doing )

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/wallace-got-120k-in-garda-arrest-claim-29289689.html

Looks like wallaces issued with the gardai goes back a bit longer than he likes to admit. and his use of influence as a developer . getting relaeased with out charge beforethe garda could dela with him , then getting a big fat settlement based only on wallaces version of events.
Seems legit doesn't it ?

also nice to see the apple doesn't fall far from the tree

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/four-boys-including-mick-wallaces-son-expelled-over-facebook-sex-claims-about-teachers-26854499.html

You forgot to say he was compensated for wrongful arrest.

Wrongful.

He was the victim of wrongful arrest and he was compensated for it after challenging it.

If I believed I'd been wrongfully arrested I'd do the same thing.

If I felt I shouldn't have to take penalty points I might have beseeched someone to wipe them for me too.

I never did btw. I took them unlike others.

But if there is no way for it be done except by meeting very strict criteria this avenue for beneficiaries is closed.

A system open to abuse is going to be abused.

mynamejeff · 05-10-2015 8:19pm

Going Forward wrote: »

You forgot to say he was compensated for wrongful arrest.

Wrongful.

He was the victim of wrongful arrest and he was compensated for it after challenging it.

If I believed I'd been wrongfully arrested I'd do the same thing.

If I felt I shouldn't have to take penalty points I might have beseeched someone to wipe them for me too.

I never did btw. I took them unlike others.

But if there is no way for it be done except by meeting very strict criteria this avenue for beneficiaries is closed.

A system open to abuse is going to be abused.

how do you know it was wrongful?

"somehow " wallace escaped due process.

no court no evidence was allowed to be given no witnesses called nothing . yet some how a very wealthy man walked out of the garda station with no further action .

I wonder who he rang with his phone call ?

then he gets 100 000 quid for a garda daring to apply the same laws to him as every one else ,

ya he is a real class act alright

To Elland Back · 05-10-2015 8:28pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

also nice to see the apple doesn't fall far from the tree

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/four-boys-including-mick-wallaces-son-expelled-over-facebook-sex-claims-about-teachers-26854499.html

Lad made a mistake, a serious one. Thank God my parents were not in the public eye for my indiscretions to get raked over years later. You're some big man

Padraig Mor · 06-10-2015 8:52am

Going Forward wrote: »

You mean like Mr. Shatter?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/shatter-i-failed-to-complete-breath-test-for-gardai-because-of-asthma-232221.html

Or what do you mean?

You implied that Daly passed the breathalyser test. She didn't. That's why she was arrested.

Going Forward · 06-10-2015 10:55am

Padraig Mor wrote: »

You implied that Daly passed the breathalyser test. She didn't. That's why she was arrested.

You're implying that she was caught drunk driving.
She wasn't.
She was found to be under the limit.

There's been talk of equipment not registering a reading.

Are you implying that she refused to give a breath sample?

That would be a separate offence in itself.

But that wasn't the case.

Perhaps she got a bit hot under the collar, fair enough arrest her.

I don't have any issue with that.

My point is that it's the first time I've seen such hubris over someone being found to be under the limit.

And that's even leaving aside the little matter of how it came to be in the public domain in the first place.

And why it was leaked to the media, and by whom.

What was their agenda?

Any ideas on that?

mynamejeff · 06-10-2015 5:03pm

To Elland Back wrote: »

Lad made a mistake, a serious one. Thank God my parents were not in the public eye for my indiscretions to get raked over years later. You're some big man

Ya and politics is a dirty game played by dirty people.

care to guess where this lovely young man is working now ?

K-9 · 06-10-2015 5:50pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

Ya and politics is a dirty game played by dirty people.

care to guess where this lovely young man is working now ?

Mod:

Thread is about Mick Wallace, not where his son works. Move on. Thanks.

Muahahaha · 06-10-2015 7:20pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

this is also the what is used when penelty points got cancelled by high ranking members of AGS. ( Again for those who missed it, public inquiry found no wrong doing )

Can you show us where the public inquiry said there was "no wrong doing"? Because I don't remember it that way at all, quite the opposite. In fact AFTER the initial penalty points investigation they had to go back and do another investigation because it was found that Gardai were still quashing penalty points. This was despite the Commissioner issuing a diktat that only three senior Gardai in the entire country had her authority to quash penalty points

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/01/28/still-quashing/

You’ll recall how Sgt Maurice McCabe claimed last September that certain gardaí were continuing to cancel penalty points for colleagues, friends and relations, despite assurances from Garda management that the practice no longer took place, particularly since new regulations were introduced on June 16.

The new regulations meant just three senior gardaí could cancel penalty points.
After Sgt McCabe’s claims were reported in The Sunday Times, the Garda Professional Standards Unit [GPSU] was ordered to carry out an investigation into the claims which led to a two-volume report.
Volume One of the report was published yesterday. Volume Two will not be published.

It shows that the GPSU examined 667 cancellation cases.
Of those 667 cases, 54 were quashed after June 16 – the date of change in legislation. Of those 54, the GPSU says seven need further examination.

But overall, of the 667, the GPSU has concluded that 114 of them need further investigation – a fifth of which concern serving or retired gardai.

mynamejeff wrote: »

god forbid people did a bit of fact checking before opening their mouths

Touche, in fact I'm still waiting on a source from you that backs up your claim that Wallace's allegations on NAMA in the North are "nonsense". So where's your facts to back up your claims? Are you going to practice what you preach? Or instead just fire cheap shots at children?

lanos · 07-10-2015 1:03pm

Satriale wrote: »

Jaysis, are you really using the mans child as a stick to beat him?

mynamejeff wrote: »

no beating him would make me a criminal , just like him

my previous post berating your response to Satriale was deleted by a moderator for being uncivil. i called your comment idiotic.
i accept it was a bit harsh, so let me rephrase it in more civil terms.

mynamejeff, i believe your comment was somewhat lacking in inteligence.

mynamejeff · 07-10-2015 6:11pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Can you show us where the public inquiry said there was "no wrong doing"? Because I don't remember it that way at all, quite the opposite. In fact AFTER the initial penalty points investigation they had to go back and do another investigation because it was found that Gardai were still quashing penalty points. This was despite the Commissioner issuing a diktat that only three senior Gardai in the entire country had her authority to quash penalty points

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/01/28/still-quashing/

Touche, in fact I'm still waiting on a source from you that backs up your claim that Wallace's allegations on NAMA in the North are "nonsense". So where's your facts to back up your claims? Are you going to practice what you preach? Or instead just fire cheap shots at children?

you seem a little up set there. have i personally offended you ? or friends of yours ?

bit thin skinned for boards arent you ?

anyway , for all your allegations and gutter media journalism we have yet to see proof of anything from you or the positions that you are here to cheerleader for .

Easy to make an allegation of some nature and never produce the evidence or proof. But if an one questions you, you demand evidence that its not true,

how much sense does you position make really ??

mynamejeff · 07-10-2015 6:14pm

lanos wrote: »

my previous post berating your response to Satriale was deleted by a moderator for being uncivil. i called your comment idiotic.
i accept it was a bit harsh, so let me rephrase it in more civil terms.

mynamejeff, i believe your comment was somewhat lacking in inteligence.

would you like me to tell you what i think of your stance of supporting convicted criminals and fraudsters in the house of government or can yu figure that out for your self ?

ditto for my feelings about your opinions of me , but you make sure and have your self a hell of a nice day lanos

K-9 · 07-10-2015 6:22pm

Mod:

Take it to pm you two! Seriously, more stuff like that and it will be a ban.

I'd suggest both of ye tone down the posts and focus more on the quality of the content, not personal snipes at others. Its below the standard expected in the forum.

Muahahaha · 07-10-2015 9:32pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

you seem a little up set there. have i personally offended you ? or friends of yours ?

bit thin skinned for boards arent you ?

anyway , for all your allegations and gutter media journalism we have yet to see proof of anything from you or the positions that you are here to cheerleader for .

Easy to make an allegation of some nature and never produce the evidence or proof. But if an one questions you, you demand evidence that its not true,

how much sense does you position make really ??

I'm not sure why you're getting personal, I must have hit a raw nerve.

Also I think you need to read back on the thread because I didn't make any allegations, you did. You said Wallace's claims are nonsense, I asked you to back it up- three times. The above is your response which I can only presume means you are unable to back it up. Which is rather ironic given that you said

god forbid people did a bit of fact checking before opening their mouths

You opened your mouth and now I'm asking for a source for you to back up your 'facts'. It appears you can't do this and I guess that is clear for all to see.

But as I said I think I'll take the actions of the SEC and NCA investigations into Wallace's allegations as proof that there is something to be investigated rather than your online mutterings which you weren't able to substantiate when called upon.

Dob74 · 09-10-2015 9:18pm

mynamejeff wrote:

if only they did pay off the debts to the small business men and trades men that he owes instead of running away from them,

mynamejeff wrote:

Cant see many of them folks or their family's voting for him next time around

Wallace' s companies went into liquidation because he got no special deal from nama banks unlike other developers. He owed money to foreign banks who put him to the sword. Other property developers had loans to foreign banks transferred to state owned banks. They are getting sweetheart deals at taxpayer expense.
Wallace is no saint but at least he's shining a light on some very dirty deals. The taxpayer needs transparency when it comes to write offs and deferred interest payments on large commercial loans.

mynamejeff · 26-10-2015 3:46pm

this is outrageous, how dare they request payment of a loan. do they not know that Mick Wallace don't pay his debts.

“I got the letter from Arthur Cox, which is representing them, during the week. I don’t know how I’m going to deal with it yet, but I’ll need legal advice first before I decide what to do,” he said.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/mick-wallace-confirms-2m-cerberus-demand-1.2405514

seems to clear up exactly why mick is so vocal about trying the bring nama down though ,

FCUKING CROOK !!

sonny.knowles · 26-10-2015 3:55pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

this is outrageous, how dare they request payment of a loan. do they not know that Mick Wallace don't pay his debts.

“I got the letter from Arthur Cox, which is representing them, during the week. I don’t know how I’m going to deal with it yet, but I’ll need legal advice first before I decide what to do,” he said.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/mick-wallace-confirms-2m-cerberus-demand-1.2405514

seems to clear up exactly why mick is so vocal about trying the bring nama down though ,

FCUKING CROOK !!

He doesn't pay his taxes, why would you expect him to repay his loans?

Jim2007 · 26-10-2015 9:33pm

Dob74 wrote: »

Wallace is no saint but at least he's shining a light on some very dirty deals.

And all self serving as we now know. Time to find yourself another hero!

Going Forward · 27-10-2015 12:11am

mynamejeff wrote: »

this is outrageous, how dare they request payment of a loan. do they not know that Mick Wallace don't pay his debts.

“I got the letter from Arthur Cox, which is representing them, during the week. I don’t know how I’m going to deal with it yet, but I’ll need legal advice first before I decide what to do,” he said.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/mick-wallace-confirms-2m-cerberus-demand-1.2405514

seems to clear up exactly why mick is so vocal about trying the bring nama down though ,

FCUKING CROOK !!

That is rather interesting.

Wasn't aware of it.

(He needn't go too far for advice either, Arthur Cox are well experienced at simultaneously advising both parties in such circumstances.)

J.pilkington · 27-10-2015 6:30am

Going Forward wrote: »

That is rather interesting.

Wasn't aware of it.

(He needn't go too far for advice either, Arthur Cox are well experienced at simultaneously advising both parties in such circumstances.)

Are you surprised? The man has no ethics and is looking after his own interests.

Wallace knew his loans were going to be sold on by Ulster Bank(similar to NAMA they are selling on their toxic Irish loan portfolio) and would be called in like most normal loans are so starts mouthing and objecting to this process. Then hits it lucky as a whistle blower approaches him.

He is hanging on for the same strategy that got him off his VAT fraud case(intentionally filed false VAT returns and didn't hand over the VAT given to him by customers to the taxman(ie people of Ireland)). Isn't it funny how you never hear him campaigning for the chap in jail for the vegetable VAT fraud. Self righteous clown. He is no better than Michael Lowry and similarly will get re-elected many times making a mug of the tax payers.

Wasn't he also involved in some disposal of his Italian vineyard to his brother David drumm style

Dob74 · 04-11-2015 3:56pm

Jim2007 wrote:

And all self serving as we now know. Time to find yourself another hero!

Why would you say self serving? The government use there bag of dirty tricks and the naive swallow there bull, hook line and sinker.
Do you think Michael Lowry , Charles Haughey never did favours for friends. That's the kind of conservative politicians we have in this country. The great and the good are willing to cover up for there friends.

Dob74 · 04-11-2015 4:07pm

Jim2007 wrote:

And all self serving as we now know. Time to find yourself another hero!

Why would you say self serving? The government use there bag of dirty tricks and the naive swallow there bull, hook line and sinker.
Do you think Michael Lowry , Charles Haughey never did favours for friends. That's the kind of conservative politicians we have in this country. The great and the good are willing to cover up for there friends.

Dob74 · 04-11-2015 4:13pm

J.pilkington wrote:

He is hanging on for the same strategy that got him off his VAT fraud case(intentionally filed false VAT returns and didn't hand over the VAT given to him by customers to the taxman(ie people of Ireland)). Isn't it funny how you never hear him campaigning for the chap in jail for the vegetable VAT fraud. Self righteous clown. He is no better than Michael Lowry and similarly will get re-elected many times making a mug of the tax payers.

His company went into luquidation and did have the money to pay the vat among other things.
The joke is on us coz we are paying every other bankrupt developer vat and large salary . Instead of putting them all into luquidation like we should of.
But government policy is to keep prices High. Another tax on non property owners.

J.pilkington · 05-11-2015 5:02am

Dob74 wrote: »

His company went into luquidation and did have the money to pay the vat among other things.
The joke is on us coz we are paying every other bankrupt developer vat and large salary . Instead of putting them all into luquidation like we should of.
But government policy is to keep prices High. Another tax on non property owners.

It went into receivership not liquidation a very very different thing.

Also the company was trading as normal and under the full control of Wallace when he made the false returns (over an 18 month period) and pocketed the VAT which belonged to the tax payers of Ireland (continued to pay both himself and his family a very handsome salary)

The action of the banks / other developers / government / Gandhi has absolutely no relevance or justification for the fact that Wallace stole from the tax payers of Ireland

A treatise on Mick Wallace

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