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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,582 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I should have added this link.

    To be fair if it is a distraction it's not one of RTE's making.

    Dublin Pride escalated it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,508 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    God, i never thought id be on the same side as rte ever again and yet here we are - they've been taken to task by an even bigger shower of bellends



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,582 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Looks like the gig is cancelled.

    Could be for the best.

    Time for cool heads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k



    A Fair City actor suing RTE? Kind of odd, to say the least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,497 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Someone needs to tell the Examiner that "invite" is a verb not a noun.

    In other news RTÉ have announced an hour long Irish Language Current Affairs programme starting in Sept.. Oct... perhaps the new year

    Why? TG4 exists for a reason.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 44 Dom the chemist


    RTE got a telling off from the Irish language commissioner for not having enough Irish language programs on their stations, the existence of TG4 doesn't excuse RTE from Irish language programs under the official languages act and the broadcasting act.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,452 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Seems that the RTE website, player and apps was offline for a while. It may have been a Cloudflare issue as Boards.ie was also affected.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭Glaceon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    RTÉ have arbitrarily cut programming in general. Imagine ACT will take into account their responsibilities under broadcasting act as a Public Service Broadcaster, but the BAI will turn a blind eye to their removal of news and current affair from RTÉ2, morning bulletins on RTÉ ONE and evening bulletins on 2FM.

    Remember in the 80s and 90s (up to 1998, though the format slowly changed) RTÉ produced 5 nights of News and Current Affairs in Irish on RTÉ2, along with 4 nights of News and, until the 2000s, at least one current affairs programme (Marketplace and Later on 2).

    And AFAIK ACT were not pointing to News and CA but Irish language programming in general. So RTÉ could have chosen any type of programme to produce.

    Anyway News and Current Affair are getting ready to go on holiday.

    @Hotblack Desiato


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    From what I can gather they are relatively well paid, and some then end up collecting the Dole (though people forget if you are paid through out the year and claim your claim can be tax if you earned enough during the weeks that you worked). AFAIK Fair City actors are on 80,000 per year and their year is still only 35 weeks. But I am completely open to correction on this.

    I know a Ros Na Run actor brought the production company to court after her character was written out about 10 years ago. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ros-na-run-actor-settles-case-1.983039


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,497 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Great. Who defines what "enough" is?

    Just because the law says they must do X or Y doesn't mean it makes any sense. Laws written by self-serving politicians in order to pander to very vocal but very small lobby groups.

    @RoTelly Yes RTE used to have more Irish language output in the past, but there was no TG4 then (which RTE are obliged to partially fund). There's no point buying a dog and then barking yourself.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The reduction in Irish Language programming only happen in the last decade. Only for that commitment did we actually avoid cuts a quicker pace than had occurred with English Language programming.

    RTÉ need clear commitments in terms of genre programming and clear aims. I find RTÉ like to have someone else bark for them. For example because the ACT's complaints RTÉ have started airing programming from BBC, TG4 and getting funding from the NI's ILBF, as I pointed out Simon Delahney new show is almost entirely paid for by RSA.

    RTÉ: "Want me to bark, pay me to bark and I will get someone to bark for me on their expense but thank you for the check, you can go bark for a refund".

    As I have said RTÉ only want to produce News, CA and Sport. If at all possible RTÉ would love to get rid of the independent commissions unit and the RTÉ CO, while retaining their total funding and using said organizations for their programming. They have done this successfully with the BAI, IFB, BBC, TG4, C4 and other co-producers.

    If only the Sound and Vision fund was funded by the Exchequer, and incorporated their Independent Commissions Unit!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Head of News and CA has left the building.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭jippo nolan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    octomum? The DG is due to leave in 2023 when her term ends, while the Chair exits at the end of the year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,012 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    So Catherine Martin (and MM) has had the 'Future of media commission' report on her desk for nearly a year now. Going to cabinet in two weeks and then might be released just before the TD's go on their hollybops.

    The needle on my old analogue 'Dodgy-o-Meter' is twitching away nicely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,452 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Isn't Octomum Miriam O'Callaghan rather than Dee Forbes?

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    @jippo nolan You might be thinking of Octomum's husband Carson who's now Head of the BBC Scotland Channel.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Didn't get to say this before but ZOO LIVE was a mess of a show. I only glanced at it but it was very messy and boring. The host constantly hoping something interesting might come up and smiling ear to ear like a hyena.

    Did anyone send in photos of their days at the Zoo in the end ? All of the photos were pre-1970 that the gave examples off, were they aiming this programme at families or Grandmothers or even Great Grandmothers?

    They really had nothing to say that hasn't already been said on THE ZOO, which has a new series starting up.

    At least with HOSPITAL LIVE the lives of the patients and their care is something that you can get a story our of, though PBH would do well with the hamster at the petting Zoo, honestly he must keep bitter pills under his cheeks.

    But the episode of ZOO LIVE that I saw was abysmal. Let's get our star Radio presenter to scoop up ****, have her talk about how much **** she had to scoop up for the days work and in general talk ****, you can see why she got a morning radio show on 2fm!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,012 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    So what you're saying there Ro is that a show on RTE, hosted by a NKM contractor which also had an different NKM contractor drop in, was a bit sh!t.

    I'm flabbergasted!

    On a side note - did anyone in the country actually watch any of that Baz show with his ma. I reckon they could have put up the test card and got better figures.

    I'm just looking at the tonight show on VM hosted by NKM girl Doherty and with Ger Herbert (motoring) who I suspect is an NK girl too. It's ******* ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didnt exist"

    Noel Kelly exists....no one knows who he is or what he does....

    He is the greatest parasite in Ireland.....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,022 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Dee forbes won't be pleased. She'd hoped Revenue would take over collection of the License fee. Despite RTE getting a whopping €200 a year in funding she's been complaining for years about under funding and yet over sees and clearly signs off on outrageous Salaries to a small cohort of Talentless "contractors" knowing full well other outlets would only pay a fraction of what these contractors are on.

    If it wasn't so outrageous it would be funny, but not even worthy of a live line Funny Friday sketch.

    From the bewildering Ray D'Arcy, Self indulgent Ryan Turdbidy, Opinionated and Bullying, clueless Joe Duffy who between them get close to €1.3 million a year ( and that's what we know of) it's just utterly unbelievable, combined they don't even work an average working Week infact far less.

    It's just beggar's belief not a single politician is calling out what is going on. I was forced to listen to Tubs yesterday and my lord 40 minutes (allowing for news and RTE self promotional adverts) of self indulgent rambling nonsense, it's extraordinary.


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    Don't forget they've pumped 25million into soccer rights that Virgin Media could have bought or shared.

    • UEFA Champions League (Tuesday games) x3 years and Finals - €10m 
    • EURO 2024 Finals - €6.5m 
    • FIFA World Cup Finals 2022 - €5m (agreed five years ago) 
    • EURO 2024 Qualifiers - €2m 
    • UEFA Nations League 2022 - €1.8m 


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,022 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    You are aware Virgin Media TV operates on a shoe string budget (and it shows) it is essentially ITV 5

    I've personally no objection to RTE spending vast sums on broadcasting rights if they are sustainable. Let's be honest and it's not popular to say this, there's ample choice now available to view sporting events elsewhere , heck I'd wager most people paying the TV licence watch none GAA Coverage on other channels and I might add, pay for it on top of the license fee which in essence funds absorbant salaries and sentimental fluffy nonsense.

    RTE should essentially be an Independent News and Current affairs station with some programing related to Ireland, Documentaries, GAA etc in my humble opinion. There's enough reality TV Nonsense elsewhere to contend with it.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    @Dempo1 can you imagine that a commission of experts came to the conclusion that the license fee should be replaced by exchequer funding... that's what you get for 9 months of talk and a report. No real change just drop the dead donkey.

    As for sports I agree VMTV are complaining about nothing, TG4 has successfully run their sports coverage on a shoestring budget of the years. I agree with VMTV that RTÉ decided to buy more sports after saving money on a deal for 6 nations rather than invest it elsewhere, however I don't think VMTV would have pick up those Irish Games from the Nations cup.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    The Brennans are back with a new series, mighty stuff altogether, they must be made guys in montrosia at this stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So Yesterday the Irish Times did a full report on what RTÉ/Public Service Broadcasting is and what it will be. It has a few people what the thought about RTÉ (because TG4 does not exist as a pubic service broadcaster).

    One of those people was Dee, you know the DG of RTÉ. Last question posed to her was:-

    If you could change one thing about RTÉ what would it be?

    This is the DG/CEO of the company... can you give me any clues as to what she would do 6 years into her 7 year contract?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,582 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I read the article by Patrick Freyne in Saturday's paper.

    If you can get a copy or have a subscription it's worth a look.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,429 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    The Player is the biggest joke, TG4's offering works seamless and then if you look at All4 it's perfect too and free for Irish users. Surely an off the shelf solution already built is what RTE need, not some solo run black hole project costing tens of millions.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭Marcos


    It's crazy if true. They do more public service broadcasting than RTE. Imagine if RTE was cleared out and those running TG4 were put in charge of RTE?

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭Marcos


    There are so many off the shelf solutions that work so much better than their player. They could get a working player outsourced from TG4 or whoever, and stick RTE branding on it. Then look at their calendar to see when there's likely to be more demand for the service e.g. All Ireland finals, 6 nations, World Cup and rent extra service capacity to deal with anticipated spikes in demand. But that would require a little bit of forward planning, not something anyone in Montrose is known for.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    You'd really have to ask Patrick Freyne but he completely ignored the channel.

    @elperello I'd love to know what parts of the piece you thought was good. Because honestly I couldn't see much. I thought Dee Forbes part was nonsensical.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Jarhead_Tendler


    One thing that annoys me is I pay the 160 euro for the tv licence and then when I go on holidays I can't use the rte player. Would be great to be able to watch the GAA without having to go to a pub.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Are you signed up to any of the pay tv providers? AFAIK they have to provide you with access to what every subscription you have at home across Europe not sure how it works.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,497 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Whatever system the RTE Player uses to show the ads always works flawlessly...

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Jarhead_Tendler


    No i don't think I am. At home I have pipe with 30 something channels with a local company and then my Netflix and Disney etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,582 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Back up there 🙂

    I didn't say any part was good, I said it was worth a look.

    As you know I've been promoting the idea of public consultation about public service broadcasting for ages on here.

    Naturally enough then I found the contributions of the interviewees interesting.

    I agreed with some and disagreed with others, but that's not important, the actual exercise was worthwhile in itself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Jarhead_Tendler




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Oh! Kind of like this thread that's been going since Dee Forbre's became DG.

    For example Ed Guiney

    Q. What's your favourite RTÉ broadcast?

    A. It's a while ago now but Scrap Saturday was a brilliant show - caustic, daring, provocative and very funny. Also loved Home School Hub during the pandemic - it is pbs at its best and I lived the scrappy energy and passionate commitment to serving an audience in an entertaining and engaging way.

    So what the discussion? perhaps both Gift Grub (Bauer) and Callan Kick's (RTÉ) replace Scrap Saturday, while a programme like Home School Hub is only available during a pandemic, perhaps News2day is enough?

    We can expand what the people are saying.

    I could even say that Ed Guiney's Normal People and Conversation with Friends really have nothing to do with RTÉ, and that Harry Wild isn't something that should have such a big production budget.

    But perhaps I too could be criticized that RTÉ should be promoting Irish content and that at the very least that is something where no public discussion should take place. In actually fact I think form this report that Dee Forbes agrees with me.

    But as always happy to hear a view.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So one of the questions posed to the people interviewed was

    How Should public broassting be funded?

    Paul Farrell (VMTV CEO) - Agrees with public funding but suggests that RTÉ ONE, NEWS and Radio 1 have no advertising. (This has been suggested on many occassion here on boards, though many think all the rest should be dropped).

    Ed Guiney (Co-founder of Element Pictures) - Retained in some form

    Sarah MCInerney (RTÉ Radio Presenter) - Retained but no real view

    Darren Smith (Kite Entertainment) - Not Asked/Not Answered

    Kim Bartley (filmmaker) - not asked/not answered

    Cormac O hEadhra (RTÉ Radio Presenter) - not sure what he is saying, if you want in depth analysis it should be funded???

    Diarmaid Ferriter (Historian) - does say if he agrees but he sees the problem with direct funding

    Marian Keyes (Novelist) - is against direct funding, due to government bias etc

    Fergal Keane (BBC Reporter) - not asked not answered

    Debbie Ging (Lecturer DCU) - not asked not answered

    Larry Bass (Shinawhil) - License Fee not fit for purpose - wants dedicated fund

    Siobhán McSweeney (Actress) - not asked not answered

    Peter McKenna (Ireland's only TV Drama writer along with Lisa McGee) - old fashioned, should be exchequrer funded

    Vincent Browne (Former RTÉ/TV3 current affair presenter) - He thinks it should be divided between those who provided public service current affairs but questions how does that work without government interference ???

    Mark Little (Former RTÉ presenter) - get rid of licence fee, replace with direct funding, says focusing on just RTÉ's funding is myopic, should be how do we protect and fund public accessible facts and culture?

    Dee Forbes (the person on the title of this thread) - out of date, old fashioned etc


    Not one person against the license fee or funding, now I think it should be funded but I respect those who don't think this way enough to let them say so.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Licence fee should be €100 to fund the following:

    • One national radio station
    • One national TV station
    • One online player/app with a skip ads after 5 seconds function

    with the following stipulations

    • Amount of broadcasting time given over to advertising limited to set minutes per hour
    • licence fee linked to inflation and collected with property tax
    • all Irish produced programmes
    • the TV licence tendered every five years in line with Presidential Elections and voted for by the people

    There is no way RTE should be national broadcaster since 1962 without ever having to apply for a licence to do so. It should be opened to competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,673 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Let's not forget that RTE already get a fair whack of money off the government in addition to the licence fee and that's not counting all the money they made with the advertising



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,429 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Netflix should get a refund of half the millions in VAT they pay in the country back on condition it's used to produce programming in Ireland 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly



    • RTÉ/TG4 can only have an average of 6mins per hour across 24 hours and a max of 9mins in an hour.
    • It is currently linked to inflation but they've not implemented that since 2009 I think, collection method hasn'tc changed
    • I'd agree, with a mix of some high end programming from abroad.
    • Pres election is every 7 years, the company that collects the fee is up for election e.g. An Post?

    Not sure about the last part, RTÉ are state owned.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,582 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    To be accurate DF was in the job for 2 years before this thread was created.

    Let's put it down to a honeymoon period.

    It is indeed good to hear people's views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Did they honeymoon period end at 2 years or is she still in her honeymoon period.

    Any views yourself?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,673 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    I overheard Lyric FM the other day, some guy called Hamilton presenting.

    I bet my sister 1000 EUR, it couldnt be George Hamilton, the retired RTE sports presenter.

    I mean, WTF ?



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