Golf Lockdown Discussion No discussion of breaking Restrictions

boardise · 30-03-2021 11:43pm

blue note wrote: »

Yep, in my 20s we did it a few times and more recently we g
ot 6 into a car with 6 sets of golf clubs, 6 overnight bags and a couple of laptops. It was a volvo xc90. I was very impressed, I didn't think it could be done.

And even now, before covid my most regular playing partners would be my two brothers in law. We're driving from the same place so would always have gone together.

Sounds like Guinness Book of Records territory, :-)

FixdePitchmark · 31-03-2021 1:04am

Golfhead65 wrote: »

if you can read properly it's the fact that nothing is available to me to do

Less expletives please

What do you mean..I haven't followed thread religiously as I felt it was too negative of a space.

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CSWS101 · 31-03-2021 8:07am

Any idea when inter-club will return? I guess not until July time?

gypsy79 · 31-03-2021 8:20am

CSWS101 wrote: »

Any idea when inter-club will return? I guess not until July time?

Assuming that we reopened early April, first rounds were due to be finished mid May, so expecting that to be pushed to early June

opinionated3 · 31-03-2021 8:23am

CSWS101 wrote: »

Any idea when inter-club will return? I guess not until July time?

I'd imagine July at the earliest. If they're insisting on two balls for the first few weeks of golf there will be very little tee times available. Lads will be rusty for a long time to come yet.

redzerdrog · 31-03-2021 8:38am

Is there any indication that it is going to be 2 balls only upon return?

gypsy79 · 31-03-2021 8:38am

opinionated3 wrote: »

I'd imagine July at the earliest. If they're insisting on two balls for the first few weeks of golf there will be very little tee times available. Lads will be rusty for a long time to come yet.

I honestly dont think that 2 ball thing will happen

It makes no sense

opinionated3 · 31-03-2021 8:42am

gypsy79 wrote: »

I honestly dont think that 2 ball thing will happen

It makes no sense

I hope you're right. But then again very little of what was announced yesterday makes sense........

gypsy79 · 31-03-2021 8:45am

opinionated3 wrote: »

I hope you're right. But then again very little of what was announced yesterday makes sense........

My life literally changed nothing yesterday which shows how little understanding they have of what is happening in the real world

pinkdoubleeagle · 31-03-2021 8:49am

Mark Kinneally on Morning Ireland now

opinionated3 · 31-03-2021 8:49am

gypsy79 wrote: »

My life literally changed nothing yesterday which shows how little understanding they have of what is happening in the real world

Agreed. Unfortunately I've had a few messages this morning from disgruntled members wondering if they should pay up for this year, or give it a miss. I understand their frustration. You'll get decent conditions for golf from may till September and then it's wind down mode. Its catch 22. You don't pay up, then your club suffers. You do pay up, and you feel like your being seriously short changed.....
And this is our second year of this remember.

First Up · 31-03-2021 8:50am

Any news on when driving ranges will re-open?

RGS · 31-03-2021 8:52am

redzerdrog wrote: »

Is there any indication that it is going to be 2 balls only upon return?

The general guideline from government for the public is 2 households outdoors. Sport Ireland will use that guideline and it is likely we will be using the 2 household rule on the golf course. NI initial return is also based on the 2 household rule.

31-03-2021 8:54am

So now we await an update from Golf Ireland on what the guidelines will be from April 26th.

If Kids are back training and people can go to the Zoo etc. and all that comes with that, then there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that we can't go straight back to 4 balls and competitions.

gypsy79 · 31-03-2021 9:01am

opinionated3 wrote: »

Agreed. Unfortunately I've had a few messages this morning from disgruntled members wondering if they should pay up for this year, or give it a miss. I understand their frustration. You'll get decent conditions for golf from may till September and then it's wind down mode. Its catch 22. You don't pay up, then your club suffers. You do pay up, and you feel like your being seriously short changed.....
And this is our second year of this remember.

And already talks of locking down in September has started

Surely golf will be exempt this time

rickis tache · 31-03-2021 9:05am

gypsy79 wrote: »

And already talks of locking down in September has started

Surely golf will be exempt this time

Where's the talk of Sept lockdown

ForeRight · 31-03-2021 9:08am

RGS wrote: »

The general guideline from government for the public is 2 households outdoors. Sport Ireland will use that guideline and it is likely we will be using the 2 household rule on the golf course. NI initial return is also based on the 2 household rule.

It really would be an idea to have every club and registered golfer bombard golf Ireland with emails now demanding they associate themselves closer to the pod system of training rather than the household mixing one.
A solo decision of 2 balls by golfireland will be shocking and they have previous of being extreme in trying to show what good boys they are.

gypsy79 · 31-03-2021 9:18am

rickis tache wrote: »

Where's the talk of Sept lockdown

Many politicians including our fine Tanaiste have mentioned restrictions returning next winter. All the usual vague languages.

New normal...lockdowns will now protect the HSE

A Shaved Duck? · 31-03-2021 9:24am

gypsy79 wrote: »

Many politicians including our fine Tanaiste have mentioned restrictions returning next winter. All the usual vague languages.

New normal...lockdowns will now protect the HSE

Surely if they see this is a new normal there will be mass immigration, who wants to stay here in an indefinite lockdown loop while listening to the likes of last nights "announcements".

RoadRunner · 31-03-2021 9:41am

Golf Ireland seems to be treating this as a success

opinionated3 · 31-03-2021 9:44am

RoadRunner wrote: »

Golf Ireland seems to be treating this as a success

And their phone app is back up and running too....... They're on a roll now.....

Johnny_Fontane · 31-03-2021 9:46am

Here's Golf Ireland's rules for courses in the north from tomorrow

ForeRight · 31-03-2021 9:48am

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

Here's Golf Ireland's rules for courses in the north from tomorrow

How in gods name are clubs supposed to police that?

Russman · 31-03-2021 10:01am

gypsy79 wrote: »

Many politicians including our fine Tanaiste have mentioned restrictions returning next winter. All the usual vague languages.

New normal...lockdowns will now protect the HSE

Never gonna happen IMHO. The vaccine data is just too good. COVID's days are numbered, another few months and we have it beat. Even the dumbest politician wouldn't dare lockdown to protect the HSE from regular flu. Unless by restrictions, its something like mask wearing in shops for the winter. Hardly a massive inconvenience.

I don't know what the GUI think, and I know it would be hugely controversial and so many players invest heavily in it, but is there an argument to just forget about inter-club for this season ? So many issues, guys have lost jobs, on the PUP, if we're playing in two's the timesheets will be full, and how do you run off a foresomes/fourball match, strokeplay qualifying in 2 balls - is the enough capacity ? Plus no club will want to give up a precious hour or two on the sheet given the likely pent up demand.
Not sure what I think myself to be honest, but food for thought.

First Up · 31-03-2021 10:13am

ForeRight wrote:

How in gods name are clubs supposed to police that?

Which bit is hard? The booking system handles most if it. The only other bit is the time you arrive. Clubs were doing that last time with no problems I know of.

Miley Byrne · 31-03-2021 10:49am

blue note wrote: »

Yep, in my 20s we did it a few times and more recently we got 6 into a car with 6 sets of golf clubs, 6 overnight bags and a couple of laptops. It was a volvo xc90. I was very impressed, I didn't think it could be done.

Well that didn't happen anyway

bustercherry · 31-03-2021 10:51am

ForeRight wrote: »

How in gods name are clubs supposed to police that?

Largely irrelevant how - the NI executive has deemed only 2 households can mix. Up to golf to make it work otherwise I'd assume thy would be sanctioned.

RGS · 31-03-2021 11:11am

ForeRight wrote: »

It really would be an idea to have every club and registered golfer bombard golf Ireland with emails now demanding they associate themselves closer to the pod system of training rather than the household mixing one.
A solo decision of 2 balls by golfireland will be shocking and they have previous of being extreme in trying to show what good boys they are.

Golf Ireland will be told by Sport Ireland what is needed to get golf back up and running. The government rule for the general public will be 2 households outdoors
Golf Ireland can object, cant argue how idiotic it is but at the end of the day golf Ireland will have to adhere to the guidelines from Sport Ireland. If they don't accept the rule we don't open.

I disagree with the 2 household rule and it is crazy when you have the zoo and other facilities open which will attract more people than a golf course but thems the rules.

ForeRight · 31-03-2021 11:43am

First Up wrote: »

Which bit is hard? The booking system handles most if it. The only other bit is the time you arrive. Clubs were doing that last time with no problems I know of.

Groups must contain people from only 2 households.
Are we going to limit golf to 2 balls to accommodate this?

All while gaa lads and kids train in pods of 15 in a contact sport.

ForeRight · 31-03-2021 11:47am

RGS wrote: »

Golf Ireland will be told by Sport Ireland what is needed to get golf back up and running. The government rule for the general public will be 2 households outdoors
Golf Ireland can object, cant argue how idiotic it is but at the end of the day golf Ireland will have to adhere to the guidelines from Sport Ireland. If they don't accept the rule we don't open.

I disagree with the 2 household rule and it is crazy when you have the zoo and other facilities open which will attract more people than a golf course but thems the rules.

Pods of 15 for outdoor training with other sports that are contact yet 2 balls for golf as that’s mixing households.
Beggars belief really.

The north is 2 balls until the 12th which is 2 weeks before we are back. We will be 2 balls a fortnight after they go to 4 balls.
It’s all a bit bizarre now.

blue note · 31-03-2021 11:57am

Miley Byrne wrote: »

Well that didn't happen anyway

That was the set up. Six seats. We took the woods out and put the clubs across the back. The six back packs fitted in easily. There wasn't even much forcing the boot closed.

It's some beast of a car too.

newport2 · 31-03-2021 12:09pm

Russman wrote: »

I don't know what the GUI think, and I know it would be hugely controversial and so many players invest heavily in it, but is there an argument to just forget about inter-club for this season ? So many issues, guys have lost jobs, on the PUP, if we're playing in two's the timesheets will be full, and how do you run off a foresomes/fourball match, strokeplay qualifying in 2 balls - is the enough capacity ? Plus no club will want to give up a precious hour or two on the sheet given the likely pent up demand.
Not sure what I think myself to be honest, but food for thought.

I'm surprised they are even entertaining the thought of interclub this year to be honest. It seems so far down the pegging order to me at the moment. Like you say, a lot of stuff going on for players, not to mention some clubs struggling. Could be a while before clubhouses are open. We've yet to hold the second day of last year's Captain's Prize, which is supposed to still happen.

Lefty2Guns · 31-03-2021 12:24pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

Many politicians including our fine Tanaiste have mentioned restrictions returning next winter. All the usual vague languages.

New normal...lockdowns will now protect the HSE

Just confirming that I read similar comments coming from the Leak. Not optimistic myself for the coming Winter months.

newport2 · 31-03-2021 12:30pm

Lefty2Guns wrote: »

Just confirming that I read similar comments coming from the Leak. Not optimistic myself for the coming Winter months.

If they have ongoing lockdowns after this summer to protect the HSE, there will be nobody left to fund the HSE. Sooner or later they will have to address the gaping hole in our economy that this has created. We can't borrow our way out of it.

31-03-2021 12:32pm

Lefty2Guns wrote: »

Just confirming that I read similar comments coming from the Leak. Not optimistic myself for the coming Winter months.

Restrictions ≠ Lockdown. That is an important point many people seem to overlook. The likelyhood is that they mean mask-wearing, social distancing, limited numbers in stores, etc. And that's at a push.

Lockdown cycles beyond us having the population vaccinated is madness and I think even NPHET know that, even in all their caution.

benny79 · 31-03-2021 12:38pm

I have gone onto golf Ireland's twitter page. Where they released a statement yesterday happy with the return date on the 26th. They are getting a bit of stick, not 1 good comment. As the rest of the golfing community clearly isnt. I suggest people maybe do the same.

boardise · 31-03-2021 12:41pm

RGS wrote: »

Golf Ireland will be told by Sport Ireland what is needed to get golf back up and running. The government rule for the general public will be 2 households outdoors
Golf Ireland can object, cant argue how idiotic it is but at the end of the day golf Ireland will have to adhere to the guidelines from Sport Ireland. If they don't accept the rule we don't open.

I disagree with the 2 household rule and it is crazy when you have the zoo and other facilities open which will attract more people than a golf course but thems the rules.

Yeah,them's the rules --made by fools.
One despairs at the quality of thought and analysis that characterises those in high office. I seriously fault Golf Ireland for their failure to clearly underline in full detail the negligible threat that arises from golf...and the economic damage being unnecessarily inflicted on golf clubs every week that passes.
And it's not just the negligible risk -but the corresponding reward of getting fresh air exercise and the associated mental health dividend for golfers (and their families too.) which all parties agree are vital now.

murphyebass · 31-03-2021 12:43pm

When do we expect an actual decision on this?

I’d welcome even 2 ball tbh if it got things going again.

I only joined a club last month so just want to get out there in any way possible.

Would agree though seems mental to not allow 4 ball and have GAAAAAAAA allowed. But it’s Ireland so doesn’t surprise me.

ForeRight · 31-03-2021 12:43pm

I’ve asked already but can someone explain to me why golf falls into the 2 household mixing outdoors rather than the sports pods of 15 catagory?

ArmaniJeanss · 31-03-2021 12:47pm

ForeRight wrote: »

I’ve asked already but can someone explain to me why golf falls into the 2 household mixing outdoors rather than the sports pods of 15 category?

I'd guess the thinking is that it's all that's needed to have a functional and sociable round of golf. Presumably tennis is also limited to 2 people?
Whereas the team sports by definition have more people working in a unit.

31-03-2021 12:58pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I'd guess the thinking is that it's all that's needed to have a functional and sociable round of golf. Presumably tennis is also limited to 2 people?
Whereas the team sports by definition have more people working in a unit.

That logic is flawed on so many levels.

ForeRight · 31-03-2021 1:00pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I'd guess the thinking is that it's all that's needed to have a functional and sociable round of golf. Presumably tennis is also limited to 2 people?
Whereas the team sports by definition have more people working in a unit.

One is non contact limited to 2 the other 15 mauling each other. No matter what reasoning is given its bizarre stuff.

31-03-2021 1:23pm

ForeRight wrote: »

One is non contact limited to 2 the other 15 mauling each other. No matter what reasoning is given its bizarre stuff.

The 2 household is for NI. Nothing has been communicated down here yet. They revert to 4 balls up North from 12th April when other type of training are allowed.

There is no reason why we need to have 2 balls when we reopen based on what else is being allowed from the same date.

First Up · 31-03-2021 1:27pm

ForeRight wrote: »

Groups must contain people from only 2 households.
Are we going to limit golf to 2 balls to accommodate this?

All while gaa lads and kids train in pods of 15 in a contact sport.

I think 2 balls are likely for the next while.

ForeRight · 31-03-2021 1:28pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The 2 household is for NI. Nothing has been communicated down here yet. They revert to 4 balls up North from 12th April when other type of training are allowed.

There is no reason why we need to have 2 balls when we reopen based on what else is being allowed from the same date.

Please god you’re right.

With golf being deemed “elitist” it’s funny nobody mentions how the elite don’t give it the go ahead earlier.

Benicetomonty · 31-03-2021 1:31pm

Hard to see Golf Ireland not going along with the same 2 household terminology as is in place in NI for the first few weeks. Harder to see clubs literally imposing a 2 person maximum on the booking system, which is the only thing a club will be able to do to patrol the measure.

Stacksey · 31-03-2021 1:31pm

In a few months time..

"Hey there can I please book a 4 ball for 3pm?"

"Oh sorry you will need to go to Northern Ireland for that, have a good day"

FixdePitchmark · 31-03-2021 2:36pm

ForeRight wrote: »

Please god you’re right.

With golf being deemed “elitist” it’s funny nobody mentions how the elite don’t give it the go ahead earlier.

Golfgate - was massive.

European commissioner basically doing what he liked all over Ireland and then
the arrogance in his approach to the outcome (initially).

The guest list was astonishing too - and even If I'm around golf and know how it is a place where at certain clubs - things are about connection etc.

Even I was given an insight the way Ireland works at the higher level , politicians , commissioners, property developers, banking lobbyists and the legal quarters in the one room.

Fair play - I'm sure it is a great society , but even if people claim golf is not elitist (and it is not for 95%) - it was the case of the 5 % ****ing it up for everyone.

The event was very damaging to the public perception of the game - and as crazy as it is. We are still suffering.

There were other events of arrogance around golf too. But that is the big one.

FixdePitchmark · 31-03-2021 2:46pm

ForeRight wrote: »

I’ve asked already but can someone explain to me why golf falls into the 2 household mixing outdoors rather than the sports pods of 15 catagory?

Is it fair to say golf enables far more mixing , due to the random nature of a time sheet.

If I play golf 3 times a week in the old set up of 4 balls I have had contacts of up to 9 people in just one week. Over a period of time even say 3 weeks I could be easily up to 27. Then say I am somehow travelling for golf also or in two clubs it get mental after a while.

If a team is training in a pod and not playing games - the theory is they are in the same group and stay in that group.

It is all bull**** - but perhaps that is their logic ?

ForeRight · 31-03-2021 2:58pm

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Is it fair to say golf enables far more mixing , due to the random nature of a time sheet.

If I play golf 3 times a week in the old set up of 4 balls I have had contacts of up to 9 people in just one week. Over a period of time even say 3 weeks I could be easily up to 27. Then say I am somehow travelling for golf also or in two clubs it get mental after a while.

If a team is training in a pod and not playing games - the theory is they are in the same group and stay in that group.

It is all bull**** - but perhaps that is their logic ?

I can see your thinking but you should have no close contacts after golf no matter where or how many different playing partners you have.
It’s comparing non contact sport to contact.
We know it’s bull**** I don’t know why I’m even wondering as logic is long gone out the window I suppose.

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