American response

Wibbs · 04-04-2020 3:52pm

lord quackinton wrote: »

And whose fault is that
Unions and who do they back, the democrats
The democrats control New York Chicago most of California Detroit and Baltimore and most of the biggest urban areas in America
Lay the blame where it belongs
Nothing to do with trump

Oh I never said it was and wouldn't. The fall of American education has been happening long before Trump.

Bayman81 wrote: »

Another whole thread of Europeans mouthing off how terrible the US is....

Why is the US the no1 immigration target for people from all over the world then? I’d guess no one here has ever lived there.

If you’re outside the bottom 20/30%, life in the states (any really) is considerably better than in any European country except for Switzerland maybe.

The last part is highly debatable, but there are many reasons for the US being a target for immigration. It is a nation built on it since its birth. Bring me your huddled masses etc and this is known throughout the world. The American Dream(tm) is also known throughout the world and promoted overtly or not through the influence of American media, which is enormous(Understandably too. All nations are proud of themselves). It's also bounded to the south by much poorer nations which make up a fair chunk of the immigrant demographics. Mexico makes up the highest number of immigrants in latter years. The vast majority of her immigrant population come from poorer, often much poorer nations and have done for centuries. I mean the Irish American diaspora was at its height of influx when Ireland was fecked on a few levels(and America was ascendant or at the top).

Never mind that being a top target for immigration doesn't always mean the country is on top for living standards, political freedoms and wealth. EG Russia is second to America. Germany is third, but that's on the back of the recent refugee crisis in Europe.

Wibbs · 04-04-2020 3:57pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Maybe so, but there's also different factors in play when it comes to voting and suppression issues. Also, the US technically elected Hilary Clinton by almost 3million more votes than Trump.

Sure S, but Bernie Sanders won more votes than her before she was put forward as the candidate. It's a complex thing, especially in such a huge nation with an amazing and fascinating array of sub cultures. That's the big problem with outsiders as far as "America" goes(and sometimes with Americans), it's a massive country with very complex social underpinnings. There is not one "America". That's a huge part of its charm and attraction too. It's also what can make it seem so internally contradictory too. Americans can be a bloody contrary bunch.

Which is why I personally like them and the culture.

never_mind · 04-04-2020 4:04pm

Genuinely petrified for my elderly grandfather (who’s 94) and lives in Florida. This would kill him.

JP Liz V1 · 04-04-2020 11:36pm

never_mind wrote: »

Genuinely petrified for my elderly grandfather (who’s 94) and lives in Florida. This would kill him.

Tell him stay at home

Grab All Association · 05-04-2020 6:54am

Bill Oakley retweeted this, to be honest I have very little sympathy for most of them taking a pay cut as it’s all for profit there

https://twitter.com/cameronnbeach/status/1246183339364622336?s=21

Field east · 05-04-2020 8:33am

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Trump just said at the latest briefing.. you guys should probably wear masks but I wont be wearing a mask..at what stage does this go beyond a black comedy, 1500 dead in the last 24 hours and this is what he has to say for himself..Jesus Christ

The Donald said that he would look a bit uncomfortable meeting the range of foreign dignitaries out there with his mask on at his big desk in the Oval Office. I am not aware of any state leader , foreign dignatory or equivalent that have visited, has planned to visit Mr Trump - and for good reason. I would reckon that if the White House issued an invitation to any national leader from Putin , to Borris, our Leo, Macron , the Ukraine Queen , and suchlike, that they would all accept BUT maybe LATER - we will see if sometime early next year might be a suitable time would more than likely be the response.
So the reason he gave was a NON REASON.
Has the man lost the ability to make his utterances in a logical , cohesive and connected manner. - maybe he never had the ability

threeball · 05-04-2020 9:08am

Field east wrote: »

The Donald said that he would look a bit uncomfortable meeting the range of foreign dignitaries out there with his mask on at his big desk in the Oval Office. I am not aware of any state leader , foreign dignatory or equivalent that have visited, has planned to visit Mr Trump - and for good reason. I would reckon that if the White House issued an invitation to any national leader from Putin , to Borris, our Leo, Macron , the Ukraine Queen , and suchlike, that they would all accept BUT maybe LATER - we will see if sometime early next year might be a suitable time would more than likely be the response.
So the reason he gave was a NON REASON.
Has the man lost the ability to make his utterances in a logical , cohesive and connected manner. - maybe he never had the ability

The reality is he doesnt want to be photographed in a mask. It would hurt his tough guy image and put paid to his claims that this will be over soon. He wants sports back up and running, he'll be lucky if the NFL gets up and running in September, thats the reality.

I think by then he'll be sick of the whole thing. I wouldnt put it past him to bail at the last minute and leave the republicans without a candidate. Can anyone really see him still doing press conferences on this in july.

Wanderer78 · 05-04-2020 9:11am

Stacksofwacks wrote:

Trump just said at the latest briefing.. you guys should probably wear masks but I wont be wearing a mask..at what stage does this go beyond a black comedy, 1500 dead in the last 24 hours and this is what he has to say for himself..Jesus Christ

Narcissists don't truly care for others, a mask would probably taint his amazing looks

Stateofyou · 05-04-2020 9:27am

Yep it's total narcissism and self importance on display there. He had to big himself up to make him feel more important than anyone else, as if he's exceptional and the rules or standards apply to everyone else except him. He believes he is far above anyone else, knows more than anyone, is untouchable. He's clearly not a healthy, well adjusted or intelligent individual. Let's hope the pendulum swings hard the other way this November.

Wanderer78 · 05-04-2020 9:29am

Stateofyou wrote:

Yep it's total narcissism and self importance on display there. He had to big himself up to make him feel more important than anyone else, as if he's exceptional and the rules or standards apply to everyone else except him. He believes he is far above anyone else, knows more than anyone, is untouchable. He's clearly not a healthy, well adjusted or intelligent individual. Let's hope the pendulum swings hard the other way this November.

I believe this man's a cockroach, I'm still expecting him to be in power next year

Stateofyou · 05-04-2020 9:35am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I believe this man's a cockroach, I'm still expecting him to be in power next year

Ha, good description. I think I'm expecting it as well, but hoping for a completely different outcome. The worse he handles this, the more he lies and shows his utter ineptitude and callousness, the more people who die or sink into poverty because of it... well I hope it angers a lot of people other there. As the election season cranks up, the Democrats will come with receipts to clearly illustrate how he lied and caused such massive harm. The insane tweets, press conferences, actions he took or didn't take, it's all recorded and will come back to haunt him. At least that's my hope.

Wanderer78 · 05-04-2020 9:46am

Stateofyou wrote:

Ha, good description. I think I'm expecting it as well, but hoping for a completely different outcome. The worse he handles this, the more he lies and shows his utter ineptitude and callousness, the more people who die or sink into poverty because of it... well I hope it angers a lot of people other there. As the election season cranks up, the Democrats will come with receipts to clearly illustrate how he lied and caused such massive harm. The insane tweets, press conferences, actions he took or didn't take, it's all recorded and will come back to haunt him. At least that's my hope.

The American political system isn't exactly democratic or logical, expect the unexpected come November, this could all get even weirder come November

coastwatch · 05-04-2020 10:00am

I think the criticism is a bit over done. I watched the press briefing yesterday, and when you make allowance for all the vanity, ego and past errors, I get the impression that he and the administration really do understand how difficult it is going to be to control the outbreak in the US and the impact it is going to have on the people and the economy. They are trying to communicate that the public, while at the same time, trying to be as positive and optimistic as possible to give hope.

The presidency has really gone from dream to nightmare for him and the administration.

lord quackinton · 05-04-2020 10:03am

Stateofyou wrote: »

Yep it's total narcissism and self importance on display there. He had to big himself up to make him feel more important than anyone else, as if he's exceptional and the rules or standards apply to everyone else except him. He believes he is far above anyone else, knows more than anyone, is untouchable. He's clearly not a healthy, well adjusted or intelligent individual. Let's hope the pendulum swings hard the other way this November.

Basically Barrack Hussain Obama 2.0

Stateofyou · 05-04-2020 10:10am

lord quackinton wrote: »

Basically Barrack Hussain Obama 2.0

You'll have to explain that one. And why are you using his full name, or even bringing him into the discussion at all?

Name of thread title: Trump/American response

ceadaoin. · 05-04-2020 10:16am

threeball wrote: »

The reality is he doesnt want to be photographed in a mask. It would hurt his tough guy image and put paid to his claims that this will be over soon. He wants sports back up and running, he'll be lucky if the NFL gets up and running in September, thats the reality..

A lot of people want sports back up and running, it's big business. Whatever about Trump, I 100% guarantee that the NFL will start on time, without spectators if need be. If it isnt then we really are ****ed because things will be dire in that case.

threeball · 05-04-2020 10:21am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

A lot of people want sports back up and running, it's big business. Whatever about Trump, I 100% guarantee that the NFL will start on time, without spectators if need be. That's what I hear. If it isnt then we really are ****ed because things will be dire in that case.

You seem to think that the second wave isn't a possibilty then? Once we get this out of the way we're done? 400lb line backers that already sleep on ventilators won't fancy catching this for the sake of playing a game. They'll drop like flies.

ceadaoin. · 05-04-2020 10:24am

threeball wrote: »

You seem to think that the second wave isn't a possibilty then? Once we get this out of the way we're done. 400lb line backers that already sleep on ventilators won't fancy catching this for the sake of playing a game. They'll drop like flies.

No I do think a second wave is a possibility/likely probability. I'm talking about the NFL and their current strategy. they will test every week, keep the players and teams isolated and no spectators if need be. Wont be football as we know it but it will happen if at all possible.

threeball · 05-04-2020 10:37am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

No I do think a second wave is a possibility/likely probability. I'm talking about the NFL and their current strategy. they will test every week, keep the players and teams isolated and no spectators if need be. Wont be football as we know it but it will happen if at all possible.

That will work in off season. They're mental if they think it'll work in the regular season. Theres probably 150 people between players and entourage per team, maybe 200. Thinking you can isolate those people plus their connections is fantasyland. Then you have players from opposing teams in physical contact, breathing heavily when their own government have just recommended wearing masks even going for a walk. If this thing is around in September, there'll be no games. They can bluff and bluster all they want now.

ceadaoin. · 05-04-2020 10:39am

threeball wrote: »

That will work in off season. They're mental if they think it'll work in the regular season. Theres probably 150 people between players and entourage per team, maybe 200. Thinking you can isolate those people plus their connections is fantasyland. Then you have players from opposing teams in physical contact, breathing heavily when their own government have just recommended wearing masks even going for a walk. If this thing is around in September, there'll be no games. They can bluff and bluster all they want now.

If this thing is around in September, and there is (are?) still this level of restrictions, then the world is ****ed either way. They are banking on that not being the case. They have the resources to mass test and they will do that if at all possible.

kildare lad · 05-04-2020 10:49am

Downlinz wrote: »

They're showing themselves as the most mismanaged country on the planet. When all is said and done they may have more cases and deaths than every other country combined.

The American people have paid a terrible price for electing Trump.

A lot of Americans are fairly thick anyway. Did you see videos of the Fox news reporters downplaying the coronavirus about a month ago. When Trump realised if was serious they all changed their tune , it's hilarious .

ceadaoin. · 05-04-2020 11:05am

kildare lad wrote: »

A lot of Americans are fairly thick anyway. Did you see videos of the Fox news reporters downplaying the coronavirus about a month ago. When Trump realised if was serious they all changed their tune , it's hilarious .

Most americans arent thick. Fox news is not america. Trump has always known its serious, how could he not? Hes just a dick

As a non American living in america, I think most states are doing a good job, regardless of Trump, better than a lot of european countries tbh.

Melanchthon · 05-04-2020 11:19am

kildare lad wrote: »

A lot of Americans are fairly thick anyway. Did you see videos of the Fox news reporters downplaying the coronavirus about a month ago. When Trump realised if was serious they all changed their tune , it's hilarious .

Glass houses, we had the chief medical officer saying nursing homes don't need to restrict visitors to protect the most vulnerable people and then a few days later everything was closed down including schools a group that's not vulnerable to the virus at all.

Anyway about the USA don't just listen to Trump, Pence has recently been making statements that are a lot more factual and serious.

Sonics2k · 05-04-2020 11:21am

coastwatch wrote: »

I think the criticism is a bit over done. I watched the press briefing yesterday, and when you make allowance for all the vanity, ego and past errors, I get the impression that he and the administration really do understand how difficult it is going to be to control the outbreak in the US and the impact it is going to have on the people and the economy. They are trying to communicate that the public, while at the same time, trying to be as positive and optimistic as possible to give hope.

The presidency has really gone from dream to nightmare for him and the administration.

I'm going to have to disagree with you right there.

The key problem with Trump is that the only consistent thing about him is just how inconsistent he is. The other night he was getting praised for his more somber tone and how apparently he has more accepting of the reality.
The next night he was berating the "fake news media" and once again talking absolute nonsense.

Previously he claimed he'd accept no responsibility for the handling the early stages of the pandemic, and now he's standing there saying he knew it was serious and how important it was to handle it.

He is now, and always has been, a liar.

sydthebeat · 05-04-2020 11:34am

Sonics2k wrote: »

He is now, and always has been, a liar.

100% pure and simple.

He ran on a campaign of "protect our country" and he has done anything but that in regard to this crisis.

He's in way over his head and his ego can't handle it.

ceadaoin. · 05-04-2020 11:44am

sydthebeat wrote: »

100% pure and simple.

He ran on a campaign of "protect our country" and he had done anything but that in regard to this crisis.

He's in way over his head and his ego can't handle it.

Yeah but as a whole, for america, that doesn't mean ****.

hetuzozaho · 05-04-2020 12:34pm

Melanchthon wrote: »

Anyway about the USA don't just listen to Trump, Pence has recently been making statements that are a lot more factual and serious.

Ha Pence can talk for 5 minutes and not answer a question. As congratulated by Trump himself.

lord quackinton · 05-04-2020 12:39pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

You'll have to explain that one. And why are you using his full name, or even bringing him into the discussion at all?

Name of thread title: Trump/American response

Why is their a need for a thread about American trump response
Is there one for Italy and Spain and China?

I don’t understand the obsession people have with trump?
It’s really weird and creepy

alchemist33 · 05-04-2020 12:42pm

lord quackinton wrote: »

Why is their a need for a thread about American trump response
Is there one for Italy and Spain and China?

I don’t understand the obsession people have with trump?
It’s really weird and creepy

Just like him then.

There's a thread for the UK response too

sid waddell · 05-04-2020 1:06pm

lord quackinton wrote: »

Why is their a need for a thread about American trump response
Is there one for Italy and Spain and China?

I don’t understand the obsession people have with trump?
It’s really weird and creepy

Quoted without comment.

lord quackinton wrote: »

Basically Barrack Hussain Obama 2.0

Stateofyou · 05-04-2020 1:10pm

lord quackinton wrote: »

Why is their a need for a thread about American trump response
Is there one for Italy and Spain and China?

I don’t understand the obsession people have with trump?
It’s really weird and creepy

Why don't you answer my questions first, before asking more of your own. Why did you write out Barack's entire name? How is Trump 'Barack 2.0?'

You wonder at this thread, finding it 'weird and creepy,' yet you've opened it and joined the discussion. :pac:

fryup · 05-04-2020 1:22pm

Listen to what Michael Moore has to say

"the president is killing us"

Mr E · 05-04-2020 3:18pm

Beaches in Georgia reopen after Governor's (R, shocker) executive order.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/491157-georgia-beaches-reopen-after-governors-executive-order

Seems people are staying away though.

lord quackinton · 05-04-2020 3:35pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Why don't you answer my questions first, before asking more of your own. Why did you write out Barack's entire name? How is Trump 'Barack 2.0?'

You wonder at this thread, finding it 'weird and creepy,' yet you've opened it and joined the discussion. :pac:

There are plenty of anti Donald trump threads. Can we not just have the one?

Barack Obama is without doubt one of America’s worst presidents
Who is the biggest disappointment trump or Obama
Answer is Obama he promised so much yet delivered very little, constantly played the race card to get what he wanted.
Trump you will find will be the same - promised to stop illegal immigration and reduce the big state yet when he is gone he will have not delivered either

I am no fan of trump but have a lot of family in America in New York and San fran
I find it creepy that this thread is using American deaths due to a virus to attack trump
Again very sick and creepy

05-04-2020 3:47pm

lord quackinton wrote: »

I find it creepy that this thread is using American deaths due to a virus to attack trump
Again very sick and creepy

Surely his action/inaction surronding this virus is open to critism/praise (like johnson and varadkar face same scruitiny)

Hiding behind deaths (caused by inaction) and saying he cant be critised for it....is everybit as bad as people solely using deaths to attack him??

Screams of wanting to shut down debate around it tbh

Sonics2k · 05-04-2020 3:55pm

lord quackinton wrote: »

There are plenty of anti Donald trump threads. Can we not just have the one?

Barack Obama is without doubt one of America’s worst presidents
Who is the biggest disappointment trump or Obama
Answer is Obama he promised so much yet delivered very little, constantly played the race card to get what he wanted.
Trump you will find will be the same - promised to stop illegal immigration and reduce the big state yet when he is gone he will have not delivered either

I am no fan of trump but have a lot of family in America in New York and San fran
I find it creepy that this thread is using American deaths due to a virus to attack trump
Again very sick and creepy

Technically correct, on a certain scale Obama was disappointing. You see, we all hoped for truly great things to come out of Obama and he did an awful lot of good, but also an awful lot of bad.

I'm not disappointed by Trump and most of us aren't because we all expected him to be a god awful ego maniac who'd only really be concerned about his own goals, while ignoring the actual people in his country.

Nollog · 05-04-2020 4:02pm

lord quackinton wrote: »

Why is their a need for a thread about American trump response
Is there one for Italy and Spain and China?

I don’t understand the obsession people have with trump?
It’s really weird and creepy

It's just a thinly veiled "orange man bad" thread, like the UK one is for Boris.

It's hard for us outsiders to understand other country's poliics, but Twitter hatred makes it easy to tackle the intricate policies of Trump and Boris.

Melanchthon · 05-04-2020 4:12pm

/\/ollog wrote: »

It's just a thinly veiled "orange man bad" thread, like the UK one is for Boris.

It's hard for us outsiders to understand other country's poliics, but Twitter hatred makes it easy to tackle the intricate policies of Trump and Boris.

Yeah the same posters that are bashing UK and USA responses aren't constantly posting about Sweden and the Netherlands strategies because even though they are doing sweet FA their "good" countries particularly Sweden.
Same way not loads of posts castigating the Spanish leadership for encouraging people to go on Feminist marches but there is for Borris Johnson shaking hands, or in UK Borris gets sh-t for that Sadiq Khan gets a pass on the even more idiotic statement that using the Tube is literally NO risk.

Lots of countries and politicians really screwing this up but which countries who get complained about is to do with posters dislike of their politicians more than anything else

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 05-04-2020 4:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely his action/inaction surronding this virus is open to critism/praise (like johnson and varadkar face same scruitiny)

But the numbers coming out of the U.S are currently better than our own numbers (adjusted for population difference).

And yet there appears to be a big love-in for Leo and Co. around here from some quarters - despite the fact we know they have made a number of potentially costly blunders throughout this crisis...

So, either the criticism of Trump/America is a bit over the top, or the criticism of our own leaders is curiously absent?

Stateofyou · 05-04-2020 5:06pm

lord quackinton wrote: »

Barack Obama is without doubt one of America’s worst presidents
Who is the biggest disappointment trump or Obama
Answer is Obama he promised so much yet delivered very little, constantly played the race card to get what he wanted.

Lord Quack, says it all :pac::pac::pac:

greenfield21 · 05-04-2020 5:35pm

Are the models to be believed
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1246825831864963073

Bill gates also said today that he expects much less death than what the white house is predicting

Cumo also thinks it may have peaked in NY.

ShineOn7 · 05-04-2020 6:20pm

Anywhere to see edited versions of Trump's pressers? Some of them seem to go on for over 2 hours, when 20 mins would be easier to digest

I'm finding them darkly hilarious and I'll take any humour I can right now

Stateofyou · 05-04-2020 6:30pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Anywhere to see edited versions of Trump's pressers? Some of them seem to go on for over 2 hours, when 20 mins would be easier to digest

I'm finding them darkly hilarious and I'll take any humour I can right now

Trevor Noah often discusses that clown on his episodes, I find them really great and often funny. It's normally the Daily Show, now called The Daily Distancing Show

. They're posted on Facebook too.

lord quackinton · 05-04-2020 6:44pm

Melanchthon wrote: »

Yeah the same posters that are bashing UK and USA responses aren't constantly posting about Sweden and the Netherlands strategies because even though they are doing sweet FA their "good" countries particularly Sweden.
Same way not loads of posts castigating the Spanish leadership for encouraging people to go on Feminist marches but there is for Borris Johnson shaking hands, or in UK Borris gets sh-t for that Sadiq Khan gets a pass on the even more idiotic statement that using the Tube is literally NO risk.

Lots of countries and politicians really screwing this up but which countries who get complained about is to do with posters dislike of their politicians more than anything else

China sending crap Ppe is a complete disgrace but you won’t hear a peep about that - that would be racist

When this is over the biggest world change will be people will need to pick a side
China or America
I know what side I am on

lord quackinton · 05-04-2020 6:51pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Trevor Noah often discusses that clown on his episodes, I find them really great and often funny. It's normally the Daily Show, now called The Daily Distancing Show . They're posted on Facebook too.

Trevor Noah is as funny as the Chinese flu
Do you really find him funny or do you think you have to say this so you seem woke

Wanderer78 · 05-04-2020 6:54pm

lord quackinton wrote: »

China sending crap Ppe is a complete disgrace but you won’t hear a peep about that - that would be racist

When this is over the biggest world change will be people will need to pick a side
China or America
I know what side I am on

no they wont

VinLieger · 05-04-2020 7:54pm

lord quackinton wrote: »

China sending crap Ppe is a complete disgrace but you won’t hear a peep about that - that would be racist

When this is over the biggest world change will be people will need to pick a side
China or America
I know what side I am on

Yeah that wont happen, also are you aware of how much american debt china owns?

hetuzozaho · 05-04-2020 8:41pm

lord quackinton wrote: »

China sending crap Ppe is a complete disgrace but you won’t hear a peep about that - that would be racist

Funny how we've all heard about it. Always the case with the 'you won't hear a peep about that' statements

hetuzozaho · 05-04-2020 8:43pm

/\/ollog wrote: »

It's just a thinly veiled "orange man bad" thread, like the UK one is for Boris.

It's hard for us outsiders to understand other country's poliics, but Twitter hatred makes it easy to tackle the intricate policies of Trump and Boris.

People need to stay away from Twitter. Trumps musings all meticulously documented here:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/news/

MadYaker · 05-04-2020 8:49pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Trevor Noah often discusses that clown on his episodes, I find them really great and often funny. It's normally the Daily Show, now called The Daily Distancing Show . They're posted on Facebook too.

Don’t watch Trevor Noah if you want unbiased coverage. His show is just the left wing version of fox and friends

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