Madeleine McCann

ceadaoin. · 04-06-2020 1:01am

Obviously the McCanns were extremely irresponsible in leaving their kids alone to go out. But if they really were involved in their daughters death would they still be publicizing the case all these years later and drawing even more attention to themselves? Surely they would want everyone to forget about it if they knew exactly what happened?

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 1:04am

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I never said anything about law.

So yes in my opinion they were negligent or idiots. Definitely both actually.

And in my opinion they were and are neither.

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 1:06am

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Next I'll be told getting drunk and not feeding my children is not a form of neglect if I do it while on holidays...it's still neglect just like what the McCanns did on the night Madeline went missing

It’s just your opinion that it’s neglect. You thinking a thing doesn’t make it a fact.

Shanotheslayer · 04-06-2020 1:09am

splinter65 wrote: »

And in my opinion they were and are neither.

Good for you. I hope you're not a parent if you think what they did is acceptable behaviour

John_Rambo · 04-06-2020 1:11am

ShineOn7 wrote: »

A year ago this excellently put together and researched podcast predicted that this German guy would be the scapegoat. So "debunked" was the wrong word to use there. But they called it a year in advance he would be a patsy

My thoughts (as someone who's watched and listened to a lot of material on this)

The McCanns gave Madelaine sleeping tablets so she wouldn't wake while they were dining. She woke up and banged her head badly whilst standing on the sofa looking out the window for her parents. The sniffer dogs (with 100% correct record) both barked at the spot behind this sofa

When they came home and found a deceased Madeleine they both knew the sleeping tablets in her system would be found in the autopsy. They also knew this marked the end of their careers as doctors and likely the end of custody of their other two kids

The amount of evidence out there about these parents is staggering and I believe one day, eventually, they'll face jailtime

In the meantime, they'll whirl their highly paid PR machine out once a year with nonsense like this latest German guy

As with everything from day one of this from Gerry and Kate McCann, it's all smoke and mirrors

I highly recommend the Maddie Podcast https://omny.fm/shows/maddie, the amount of research gone into it is incredible

And this too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS6ucYudNAo

A fourth generation new world American expert examining old world professional Europeans with zero heed to linguistical patterns of expression, speech & cultural differences, particularly when it comes to presbyterian Scots and that classic meandering English dialect that takes a while to get to the point.

It's as valid at getting an Italian dialogue expert to analyse a Kerryman's version of a story.

I call bullsheet on this one.

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 1:12am

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Good for you. I hope you're not a parent if you think what they did is acceptable behaviour

Yes I am most certainly a parent.

SusieBlue · 04-06-2020 1:13am

I knew clicking into this thread was a bad idea, I can already feel my blood pressure rising....

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 1:14am

SusieBlue wrote: »

I knew clicking into this thread was a bad idea, I can already feel my blood pressure rising....

The German police think they may have a very serious lead in the case. Is that not good news?

Shanotheslayer · 04-06-2020 1:15am

splinter65 wrote: »

Yes I am most certainly a parent.

I hope nothing ever happens to them when you're out having dinner like it did with the McCanns.

Steve F · 04-06-2020 1:16am

SusieBlue wrote: »

I knew clicking into this thread was a bad idea, I can already feel my blood pressure rising....

And so we meet again Susie
I feel this maybe the answer we've been waiting for.
Is the case going to be finally put to bed do you think?

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 1:17am

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I hope nothing ever happens to them when you're out having dinner like it did with the McCanns.

Oh I just leave her here at home alone when we go out to dinner. I wouldn’t dream of bringing her with me, she never stops moaning.

SusieBlue · 04-06-2020 1:21am

splinter65 wrote: »

The German police think they may have a very serious lead in the case. Is that not good news?

Excellent news. It won’t stop people continuing to try to pin it on the parents though. In fact, I imagine even with a full confession and admittance of guilt from the suspect there will still be people saying the McCann’s were involved.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 04-06-2020 1:28am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I can't even begin to imagine what she has been subjected to if she is alive. Honestly I'm not sure that would be preferable to the alternative.

Well, I don’t know. Elisabeth Fritzl (and her children) and Natascha Kampusch and Jaycee Dugard might be very happy to be alive. I don’t know them so can’t say that with any certainty but you just never know. I doubt McCann is alive but if she is, depending on the conditions she was held in, she might be able to cope with being released.

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 1:31am

SusieBlue wrote: »

Excellent news. It won’t stop people continuing to try to pin it on the parents though. In fact, I imagine even with a full confession and admittance of guilt from the suspect there will still be people saying the McCann’s were involved.

Yes. Once people buy into the conspiracy theory on any subject it’s very hard for them to accept the truth when it’s finally proven.
Your asking people to accept that they were wrong, sometimes for many years, about something regarding which they were utterly convinced, even when presented with mounting evidence.
Myths that they swallowed hook line and sinker willingly at the time have been debunked over the years but they put their fingers in their ears and shout rhubarb rhubarb till it goes away.
People confuse their feelings and opinions with facts too.

Add to that the lynch mob buzz some people seem to enjoy and a good big helping of stupidity and here’s where you end up.
How long will it be before someone mentions
A. The 40 questions and
B. The shutters.

Mike3287 · 04-06-2020 1:31am

ACitizenErased wrote: »

My brother in Germany said German TV are saying they have serious evidence but can’t disclose it. This is the first of the “suspects” that has gotten this sort of seriousness about them I think.

They must have something big alright

Very strange giving out phone numbers and cars regs

They must want a little more evidence to pin them/put heat on

Think this it

Always wanted 2 answers before I went

Are we alone

What happened Madeline

Needs Must · 04-06-2020 1:32am

Was this chap considered before as a suspect or how did they come across him all these years later

washman3 · 04-06-2020 1:32am

splinter65 wrote: »

Why wouldn’t they have custody of their twins?!?

You'll have to ask the dogs that.......;)

Queasy Tadpole · 04-06-2020 1:33am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Do a lie detector test on the prisoner and a lie detector test on the parents, do it live on prime time tv.

Lie detector test or polygraphs are bunk science. There is no credible evidence that they can correctly tell if a human is lying.

Do your research.

In this case I was of the opinion that the parents covered up her accidental death but this lead seems to fit. Hopefully a full confession is gained. Tragic all round. I remember this case on the news like it was yesterday. Horrible.

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 1:34am

washman3 wrote: »

You'll have to ask the dogs that.......;)

Oh yes the dogs. The dogs don’t lie.

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 1:37am

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Lie detector test or polygraphs are bunk science. There is no credible evidence that they can correctly tell if a human is lying.

Do your research.

In this case I was of the opinion that the parents covered up her accidental death but this lead seems to fit. Hopefully a full confession is gained. Tragic all round. I remember this case on the news like it was yesterday. Horrible.

But people saw lie detectors on CSI Miami so it must be evidence.

washman3 · 04-06-2020 1:46am

splinter65 wrote: »

Oh yes the dogs. The dogs don’t lie.

Only when it suits a particular agenda.....

BorneTobyWilde · 04-06-2020 1:51am

SUch a weird case. And time is no friend for solving it. Could have been solved in first 2 days with a little bit of cop on.

The parents needed to be accompanied 24/7 ie watched. The travels of Gerry for miles in his hire car, wtf. The dogs who signalled the smell of death in this boot of that car.

2u2me · 04-06-2020 1:54am

Is it possible there is a connection between the Mccanns and this German fella. Or is that known either way?

Mike3287 · 04-06-2020 1:56am

Needs Must wrote: »

Was this chap considered before as a suspect or how did they come across him all these years later

Good read it on it here

https://www.thedailybeast.com/madeleine-mccann-detectives-closing-in-on-new-lead-in-portugal-disappearance

Lockheed · 04-06-2020 2:13am

2u2me wrote: »

They are mentioning a car and a van.

What person, knowing that they owned a vehicle registered to them which may be implicated in a murder, would not right away destroy the vehicle and all evidence relating to it? I don't get how they're only finding this evidence now. I think its spin

2u2me · 04-06-2020 2:18am

Lockheed wrote: »

What person, knowing that they owned a vehicle registered to them which may be implicated in a murder, would not right away destroy the vehicle and all evidence relating to it? I don't get how they're only finding this evidence now. I think its spin

"But Portuguese authorities say it is more likely a second suspect they are investigating—an alleged accomplice of Ney—will prove more useful."
That dailybeast article linked earlier.

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 2:23am

2u2me wrote: »

Is it possible there is a connection between the Mccanns and this German fella. Or is that known either way?

No. What’s your thinking on this one?

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 2:24am

Lockheed wrote: »

What person, knowing that they owned a vehicle registered to them which may be implicated in a murder, would not right away destroy the vehicle and all evidence relating to it? I don't get how they're only finding this evidence now. I think its spin

Why would the Germans be spinning?

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 2:25am

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

SUch a weird case. And time is no friend for solving it. Could have been solved in first 2 days with a little bit of cop on.

The parents needed to be accompanied 24/7 ie watched. The travels of Gerry for miles in his hire car, wtf. The dogs who signalled the smell of death in this boot of that car.

The parents were accompanied 24/7 for about 6 weeks.

2u2me · 04-06-2020 2:25am

splinter65 wrote: »

No. What’s your thinking on this one?

No idea! Just reading everything being said, complete speculation. The weird smiling of Gerry at in appropriate times has always left me asking questions.

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 2:28am

2u2me wrote: »

No idea! Just reading everything being said, complete speculation.

Would you not think that if there was a connection between this guy and the McCanns that it would have been uncovered by now? What kind of questions do someone’s facial expressions cause you to have?

Strumms · 04-06-2020 2:28am

The parents, left two two year olds and a three year old, asleep and alone, in a ground floor apartment, in a public holiday block of apartments while they went to the restaurant with friends...

If I’m a friend I’m thinking that’s fücking weird and irresponsible.. to the point where I’d even be questioning it, to the point where I’m saying...

“hey just so you guys aren’t worrying why don’t one of us take a rain check on food, sit in with your kids, you can relax, eat with the others, not be worrying about the clock and the kids and get back when you like, we don’t know the lye of the land round here but this way you get to relax and the kids are being watched and you guys don’t have to be getting up constantly and worrying”. 99% of people would accept that offer.

The weird thing is, Kate and Gerry McCann are intelligent people. You cannot become a doctor and not be. They will in their careers especially when learning their trade , been placed in a&e, been taught about abuse, and various psychological parameters and behaviors of people who are of the mind to carry out abductions , sexual crimes on children etc...would or could they BOTH be that careless ? It just seems strange, very strange that on the face of it that ‘caring’, ‘professional’ and ‘intelligent’ people would just fûck off with their mates for a couple of hours, leaving their kids unsupervised in a ground floor location, 2 year old twins and a 3 year old, alone, in a ground floor apartment.... that’s FÛCKING NUTS... no parent would do that, NOBODY.

They were doctors, smart, intelligent people... it’s the weirdest story ever... the most bizarre unsolved crime that may end up just remaining unsolved unless her body is discovered or a deathbed confession from whichever psychopath is responsible.

SusieBlue · 04-06-2020 2:30am

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

SUch a weird case. And time is no friend for solving it. Could have been solved in first 2 days with a little bit of cop on.

The parents needed to be accompanied 24/7 ie watched. The travels of Gerry for miles in his hire car, wtf. The dogs who signalled the smell of death in this boot of that car.

In fairness Sky News among a myriad of other international media were outside their apartment within hours of Madeleine disappearing. Their every move was followed, analysed, and reported on.

If they had done anything remotely suspicious I’m sure it would have been immediately picked up one by the press who wouldn’t give them a minutes peace until they left Portugal a few months later.

2u2me · 04-06-2020 2:50am

splinter65 wrote: »

Would you not think that if there was a connection between this guy and the McCanns that it would have been uncovered by now? What kind of questions do someone’s facial expressions cause you to have?

Why are you so interested in me asking a question? There's new evidence coming to light even now, so I don't see your point.

Have you ever heard of duping delight?

spurious · 04-06-2020 3:27am

2u2me wrote:

Is it possible there is a connection between the Mccanns and this German fella. Or is that known either way?

Sounds like grasping at straws.

2u2me · 04-06-2020 3:34am

spurious wrote: »

Sounds like grasping at straws.

Look like you got that wrong.

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 7:33am

2u2me wrote: »

Look like you got that wrong.

The only person got anything wrong is you.
Be honest. The German police say they almost have enough evidence to charge this guy with the abduction of the little girl.
You’re going to find it impossible to accept that you’ve been absolutely wrong about this case for years. You’ve swallowed all the rubbish and spouted your meaningless amateur psychological theories at anyone who will listen.
Looks like Maddie was abducted like her parents always said she was.

04-06-2020 8:10am

Are they looking for the owner of the second telephone number as they are a witness or a suspect?

Dempo1 · 04-06-2020 8:19am

This is beyond bizzare, are we to believe this suspect has just appeared out of nowhere. It either gross incompetence on behalf of those investigating or just clutching at straws. I doubt any investigation ever has had so much resources put into it. It just seems extraordinary that after all this time a new suspect has been found.

04-06-2020 8:27am

I think news reports said new information was presented after the ten year anniversary appeal in 2017. They must have been working on it since then to have the intel on phone numbers, geo locations, duration of call, the vehicles and where they are now.

OwlsZat · 04-06-2020 8:29am

Dempo1 wrote: »

This is beyond bizzare, are we to believe this suspect has just appeared out of nowhere. It either gross incompetence on behalf of those investigating or just clutching at straws. I doubt any investigation ever has had so much resources put into it. It just seems extraordinary that after all this time a new suspect has been found.

This person has been long known about. The UK police are continuing to work the case funded by tax payers and can refuse FOI requests about it as it's still "active". It all seems a bit of a swizz tbh.

SteM · 04-06-2020 8:50am

splinter65 wrote: »

No. What’s your thinking on this one?

The thinking is that everything has to lead back to the McCanns, some people just can't help themselves.

Sure didn't Gerry McCann have ties with Bin Laden too? There's a podcast about it so it must be true.

chook · 04-06-2020 9:41am

The news is legit. It was on a German "crime call" type programme last night. They are looking for the public's help. The suspect was twice before flagged in the early years but they had no hard evidence. He is already in jail at present for an unconnected crime and has a history of sexual assault. What the police need is more information on the houses, the cars (they have been confiscated already) and the mobile phone numbers. They are asking people who were in the region in April-May 2007 to check their photos/videos, even things like landscape or beach photos that have cars in the background.
Moreover, they are asking people to check their phones, notebooks and such for the Portuguese mobile number the suspect called as they have not yet established who he spoke to that night.
It all sounded like they are pretty sure he did it but can't prove it (yet). And of course they want to locate the body and give the family closure.

ps. The photos of the Jaguar and Westfalia camper van as well as the phone numbers are here: http://news.met.police.uk/latest_media (marked CO317-...).

Truthvader · 04-06-2020 9:49am

banie01 wrote: »

German Man....
Or
Gerry McCann!

That may have been misheard

Ho ho ho what a laugh!

Bewildered by all the sheer malice here. Unless I was 100% positive that they had hurt their own child I would not even suggest the possibility but to be openly accusing these parents who lost their child in the most cruel circumstances on the basis of Portuguese dogs who are never wrong and fanciful malicious speculation takes a cold cold heart.

So proud of you all

Steve F · 04-06-2020 10:45am

2u2me wrote: »

No idea! Just reading everything being said, complete speculation. The weird smiling of Gerry at in appropriate times has always left me asking questions.

Yes,the footage of Gerry laughing and joking on a balcony like someone attending a friend's BBQ when he wasn't aware he was being filmed is a little puzzling.Never sat easily with me.But doesn't prove anything either way.
After all these years I still don't have a Bulls notion what happened to poor Maddie.
Also,there is a distinct wiff of 'I told you so' in this thread by some.
In respect of a little girl that is probably long dead can we not turn the discussion into who was right and who was wrong?

AudreyHepburn · 04-06-2020 10:51am

Please god her parents finally get answers. I can’t imagine what they have gone through these last thirteen years.

I highly doubt this lead came out nowhere nor do I believe there was any negligence on the part of the police. You can’t just move against a suspect without probable cause.

I’ve never believed Kate and Gerry had anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance and I hope that those who did might now find it in themselves to admit they were wrong and apologize for the pure malice and hatred they’ve directed towards them unwarranted.

AudreyHepburn · 04-06-2020 10:55am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I can't even begin to imagine what she has been subjected to if she is alive. Honestly I'm not sure that would be preferable to the alternative.

Sadly I believe the poor little thing was gone not long after she was taken. I agree that some ways it would be better for her if this is indeed the case.

briany · 04-06-2020 11:06am

This new suspect sounds like one serious piece of work. Being a paedophile would be infinitely bad to begin with, but to be a drug dealer and burglar on top of that is just the cherry on the sh*tcake. He even had a van. He was pretty much 'the kidnapper' that we'd speak of in hushed tones as children.

Trouble is, with incentive does he have to talk? What's the carrot and the stick? Could they threaten him with gen pop? Torture? Solitary? He sounds like a total animal, so deranged that no matter what you put to him, it could be met with silence. Hope I'm wrong, though.

silver2020 · 04-06-2020 11:10am

Daily Mail has an emergency meeting of all staff.

Owners want to know why they didn't get an "EXCLUSIVE"

All previously fuloughed staff called back in to dig out and re-hash every story ever printed about the case...

...read more on pages 3,5,6,7,9,11,12,13,14,19,20,21,22 & 36

firemansam4 · 04-06-2020 11:11am

Wow so much disappointment in here that events might be pointing towards someone other than the parents as the suspects in Maddies murder...

They do deserve criticism for leaving there kids unattended yes, but they have been labelled murderers by so many keyboard warriors on this site and many others when there has never been any proof whatsoever to this.

I have mainly just lurked at threads like this in the past because honestly I don't know what happened to that little girl. But so many detectives here that were so sure they knew that the mcanns did this are now very dissapointed that news potentially someone else is close to being charged with her murder.

Madeleine McCann

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