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Madeleine McCann

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  • Registered Users Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Vestiapx


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    Because they left their children alone in an apartment while they were having drinks...the were how old at the time

    Ah here, they had drugged the kids it's not like they were going anywhere.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Vestiapx wrote: »
    Ah here, they had drugged the kids it's not like they were going anywhere.

    Is that your defence of their actions? :rolleyes:

    Was that even confirmed?


  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭NutmegGirl


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    How they still have custody of the surviving children via a disgrace...

    If that were the case (and without wanting to reference recent tragic accidents) you should be taking any surviving children off parents whose kids died in farming accidents, who have been knocked down by cars reversing over them, kids who have drowned and other tragic accidents and no one is suggesting that happen
    People make mistakes, and most of the time nothing or only something minor happens
    I am sure that in all those cases the parents would give anything to go back and do things different, but hindsight is 20/20 and they’re the ones who have to live with the consequences and the horrendous guilt
    People keep on about the McCanns leaving the kids as if they’re the only ones to have noticed it
    I would imagine that there’s nothing that hasn’t been said that the McCanns haven’t thought of or said to themselves

    Every year in the US kids die as a result of being left in hot cars, unfathomable that you could forget your own child yet it happens a few times every year in spite of the publicity
    People don’t expect things to happen to them, your perception of risk etc, distraction and for 99.9% of people it never does


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Bit of a fcuked up coincidence that they stayed with the paedophile Clement Freud immediately after Madeline was abducted. Lots of bizzare things about this case.

    See, this is the kind of nastiness I'm talking about when discussing the parents of this missing child. Implying they mingled with known paedophiles and what not.

    Just to knock this little nasty nugget on the head, Freud sent the McCanns a letter inviting them for lunch at his villa in Praia de Luz in 2007, 2 months after Madeline went missing. They did not know him beforehand and visited his villa twice in the space of two months at his invitation.

    He died in 2009, wherein his past transgressions against minors were revealed to the world. The McCanns found out when the rest of the world did and were as disgusted as everyone else.

    I'm sure you have your reasons for mentioning Freud and the McCanns in a discussion regarding a new suspect in her disappearance and they are not only tasteless, but done entirely to discredit them further.

    Shameful.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭tigger123


    See, this is the kind of nastiness I'm talking about when discussing the parents of this missing child. Implying they mingled with known paedophiles and what not.

    Just to knock this little nasty nugget on the head, Freud sent the McCanns a letter inviting them for lunch at his villa in Praia de Luz in 2007, 2 months after Madeline went missing. They did not know him beforehand and visited his villa twice in the space of two months at his invitation.

    He died in 2009, wherein his past transgressions against minors were revealed to the world. The McCanns found out when the rest of the world did and were as disgusted as everyone else.

    I'm sure you have your reasons for mentioning Freud and the McCanns in a discussion regarding a new suspect in her disappearance and they are not only tasteless, but done entirely to discredit them further.

    Shameful.

    Ah here now, this is a thread discussing Madeline McCann: there's no room for fact checking here.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Is that your defence of their actions? :rolleyes:

    Was that even confirmed?

    Of course not - it was forensically disproven by hair samples taken from the twins.

    Doesn't matter, gotta keep demonising the McCanns at all costs!


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,029 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    silver2020 wrote: »
    This is the type of bullsh1t thinking that comes from reading the utter sh1te that is written in tabloids especially the daily mail.

    It was a gated holiday complex and they were a about 80 metres away and it had good security.
    MOST people would feel comfortable leaving kids safely in a bedroom. It is actually quite normal.

    You simply cannot live life worrying about every possible issue - otherwise you'd never get into a car, cross the road, smoke a cigarette, take a glass of wine etc etc etc etc etc etc

    In the modern world - how many children are abducted by total strangers.

    It is so rare that it makes massive worldwide headlines when it does happen. - About once in a blue moon.


    People reading rubbish in tabloids and coming to conclusions about suitabilty of the parents need to wake up to reality

    Not reading from tabloids but I walked past the apartment many times . Unfortunately it was not gated , the apartments were on a public road
    The back door ( sliding patio door ) of the Mc Canns apartment opened out on to a small patio with steps leading from it to an open public road . The front door ( far side away from the tapas bar ) opened on to a small paved area for a few cars to park
    A very low wall ( 2 feet maybe ) separated the paved area from a public well used road . No gate between the front door and the road .
    Unfortunately it was one of the most accessible apartments on the block from the back ( patio side ) as it was directly accessible from a public road
    The front would also be quite easily accessible and on a dark evening an intruder could easily be in and out the front door in minutes without been seen

    My theory is the Mc Canns movements were watched and the pattern was observed and it left a 30-45 minute opportunity to get in , grab the poor child and leave , turn left out of P da L and out of the village into the vast countryside north of the village .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Of course not - it was forensically disproven by hair samples taken from the twins.

    Doesn't matter, gotta keep demonising the McCanns at all costs!

    Equally we shouldn't be protecting them at all costs. I believe this is still unsolved.
    "The McCanns found out when the rest of the world did and were as disgusted as everyone else."
    There is no way you can know that.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    2u2me wrote: »
    Equally we shouldn't be protecting them at all costs. I believe this is still unsolved.


    There is no way you can know that.


    There's also no objective reason for you to presume the opposite, so it will depends on whether one is neutral or biased against them. Your posts are obviously not neutral.


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    silver2020 wrote: »
    ................
    It was a gated holiday complex and they were a about 80 metres away and it had good security.
    MOST people would feel comfortable leaving kids safely in a bedroom. It is actually quite normal.............

    Many aren't comfortable leaving their passports, wallets and jewellery in holiday accommodation.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    If the records had been illegally retained, can they be used lawfully?

    Ask Graham Dwyer


  • Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    See, this is the kind of nastiness I'm talking about when discussing the parents of this missing child. Implying they mingled with known paedophiles and what not.

    Just to knock this little nasty nugget on the head, Freud sent the McCanns a letter inviting them for lunch at his villa in Praia de Luz in 2007, 2 months after Madeline went missing. They did not know him beforehand and visited his villa twice in the space of two months at his invitation.

    He died in 2009, wherein his past transgressions against minors were revealed to the world. The McCanns found out when the rest of the world did and were as disgusted as everyone else.

    I'm sure you have your reasons for mentioning Freud and the McCanns in a discussion regarding a new suspect in her disappearance and they are not only tasteless, but done entirely to discredit them further.

    Shameful.

    I don't have any reasons, just saying its bizarre...which it is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    2u2me wrote: »
    Equally we shouldn't be protecting them at all costs. I believe this is still unsolved.


    There is no way you can know that.

    There is no way you can know that they knew anything either so why should it make your assumption any more correct than someone elses that they were innocent? Gawdd these threads are always the same.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Antares35 wrote: »
    There's some kind of theory behind the stone throwing behaviour I remember reading about. It's something to do with people's fears that the same thing could happen to them so they feel compelled to put some kind of distinguishing marker on what's happened to set themselves apart. Hence the "well I would never do that to my children" etc. They are actually just trying to convince themselves that such a tragedy would never befall them because they are different. Most parents have f*cked up. Most also just got lucky. But you can't say that because of this need they have to set themselves apart from those who also f*cked up but weren't lucky.

    It's similar to people who victim blame. Well she shouldn't have been walking alone or wearing that skirt etc. What they mean is "I can keep myself from being her by not walking alone or wearing that skirt".

    There was, and still is, a lot of weird Irish style begrudgery going on imo. You can see it here. Even though the worst thing that could happen any parent happened to them there seemed to be a lot of resentment that both McCanns had come from very ordinary backgrounds to become successful professionals and were enjoying a very nice lifestyle, appear very happy in their relationship, are attractive etc. The constant references to “if an unemployed couple from an estate blah blah blah”even though there’s numerous examples of children dying in the care of such parents simply because they WERENT removed from their care despite warnings.
    Begrudgery and jealousy. Strange but true.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    The kind of people who use social-media to pile into parents who've lost their child - probably the most unimaginably horrific thing anyone could imagine - are the lowest of the low in my view.


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    splinter65 wrote: »
    ......... are attractive etc............

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    Attractive? Very subjective ........... she's average at best, I dunno is he even that tbh.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Augeo wrote: »

    Attractive? Very subjective ........... she's average at best, I dunno is he even that tbh.

    Nice one, throw up a picture of a mother crying having had her child snatched and rag on them for their looks.

    Jesus Christ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    ecoli3136 wrote: »
    There's also no objective reason for you to presume the opposite, so it will depends on whether one is neutral or biased against them. Your posts are obviously not neutral.

    I'm not presuming the opposite. If you read the post properly I started with
    "Equally" the fact that you dismiss this only evidences your bias and others in this thread.

    I said equally we shouldn't assume the parents did it , and we equally shouldn't discount that the parents did it. It is not known either way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Babooshka wrote: »
    There is no way you can know that they knew anything either so why should it make your assumption any more correct than someone elses that they were innocent? Gawdd these threads are always the same.

    I didn't make any assumption. Feel free to quote any assumption I've made in this thread.

    The more ridiculous thing is that any question of the parents are 100% innocent seems to strike a chord in this thread, I have no idea why.

    The only statement I was challenging (and not actually making an assumption myself) was this one
    "The McCanns found out when the rest of the world did and were as disgusted as everyone else."

    So while you guys readily attack ideas that are not proven, somehow this one got under the radar. The bias is here on show for everyone to see.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    Nice one, throw up a picture of a mother crying having had her child snatched and rag on them for their looks.

    Jesus Christ...


    Absolutely disgusting what people think is acceptable to do unto others. They just think the McCann's are fair game for anything and don't deserve basic decent human respect. Vile.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    The clocked up 11,000 kms in a rental car, driving deep into the portuguese countryside. The rental car became a focal point of the investigation after a specialist cadaver dog alerted in the vehicle that a body was present.
    Seems weird to go '' sight seeing'' after your kid goes missing, so much of it at night too.

    They rented that car 3 weeks after Madeleine disappeared, they didn’t have it in their possession on the night she went missing.
    Those dogs were proven several times over to be unreliable and I believe they were retired from service shortly after.
    Also if you watch the video, their handler heavily encouraged them to give a reaction at the McCann vehicle. They didn’t independently give a reaction of their own accord.

    How do you know they were gone sightseeing?
    They were driving all over Portugal and the Spanish border raising awareness so 11,000km (if that’s true) over the course of a few months doesn’t sound suspicious or surprising to me.

    The press were very invasive and disrespectful to them, the police were also keen to blame them for their child’s disappearance pretty early on in the investigation.
    Between the two of them I’m sure if they had any evidence of wrong doing it would be been picked up on.
    I find it very hard to believe the McCanns would have managed all that under the watchful eye of both the police and the press.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭pauliebdub


    I'm amazed that this very important lead that should have been identified at the time of her disappearance is only being picked up now. Can a child's DNA survive 13 years if they can do a forensic analysis of the car and van?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭pauliebdub


    Augeo wrote: »
    TELEMMGLPICT000005938834_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq_Q1ILu06sxsA6j_eQJ7bcS7ueqLL4WCCWfRkzVza0no.jpeg

    Attractive? Very subjective ........... she's average at best, I dunno is he even that tbh.

    There was always something not quite right about these two which has lead to a lot of the vile speculation about them. I don't think they had anything to do with her disappearance but it must be very difficult to live with the poor judgement of leaving the kids alone in that room while they went out eating.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Whatever you do make sure you continue to ignore the person who actually stole the child and place the entire blame on her parents.
    Else how will you and your friends continue to feel superior and smug about your perfect parenting skills?

    I wonder would you be so protective of the McCann's if they were living on a council estate in Bradford and not 2 doctors? I doubt it. I suppose you feel compelled to rush to the defense of your betters for some reason.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,716 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    See, this is the kind of nastiness I'm talking about when discussing the parents of this missing child. Implying they mingled with known paedophiles and what not.

    Just to knock this little nasty nugget on the head, Freud sent the McCanns a letter inviting them for lunch at his villa in Praia de Luz in 2007, 2 months after Madeline went missing. They did not know him beforehand and visited his villa twice in the space of two months at his invitation.

    He died in 2009, wherein his past transgressions against minors were revealed to the world. The McCanns found out when the rest of the world did and were as disgusted as everyone else.

    I'm sure you have your reasons for mentioning Freud and the McCanns in a discussion regarding a new suspect in her disappearance and they are not only tasteless, but done entirely to discredit them further.

    Shameful.


    was Freud still involved in a paedophile ring at the time, was he trying to find out what the McCanns knew?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭sxt


    pauliebdub wrote: »
    I'm amazed that this very important lead that should have been identified at the time of her disappearance is only being picked up now. Can a child's DNA survive 13 years if they can do a forensic analysis of the car and van?

    He was identified, questioned, and his camper van was forensically examined 13 years ago


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    They rented that car 3 weeks after Madeleine disappeared, they didn’t have it in their possession on the night she went missing.
    Those dogs were proven several times over to be unreliable and I believe they were retired from service shortly after.
    Also if you watch the video, their handler heavily encouraged them to give a reaction at the McCann vehicle. They didn’t independently give a reaction of their own accord.

    How do you know they were gone sightseeing?
    They were driving all over Portugal and the Spanish border raising awareness so 11,000km (if that’s true) over the course of a few months doesn’t sound suspicious or surprising to me.

    The press were very invasive and disrespectful to them, the police were also keen to blame them for their child’s disappearance pretty early on in the investigation.
    Between the two of them I’m sure if they had any evidence of wrong doing it would be been picked up on.
    I find it very hard to believe the McCanns would have managed all that under the watchful eye of both the police and the press.

    Why bother responding or engaging with these people? They are either bored teenagers who can't really tell the difference between the murder of child and "Fortnite" or disturbed incomplete people emboldened to indulge their lowest impulses by the anonymity offered here


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,815 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    sxt wrote: »
    He was identified, questioned, and his camper van was forensically examined 13 years ago

    Have you any link for that, thanks. It's something I thought about (checking for perverts in the area at the time etc.).


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,420 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    I wonder would you be so protective of the McCann's if they were living on a council estate in Bradford and not 2 doctors? I doubt it. I suppose you feel compelled to rush to the defense of your betters for some reason.

    This.
    The McCans behaved terribly, possibly illegally abandoning their kids in an unsecure apartment in a strange country to go drinking with their mates.

    The fact that they are Doctors got them a free pass on proper scrutiny over this and lots of people threw them easy money afterwards because surely these decent people could do no wrong.

    Anyone else and the rest of the kids would be taken into care.

    Responsibility for this girls disappearance is 100% with the Parents yet they are given victim status rather than held accountable.


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  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Nice one, throw up a picture of a mother crying having had her child snatched and rag on them for their looks.

    Jesus Christ...

    I was replying to a claim they are attractive...... I said she's average...... No ragging Fred.


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