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Madeleine McCann

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  • Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭batman75


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I’m glad that you’re children are never ever at risk of anything happening to them due to your remarkable parenting skills. I’ll bet you were shocked at the little boy drowning in mayo the other night. I’d love to have heard your opinion on that...

    That was an accident and for you to bring that into this discussion is odious.


  • Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭batman75


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You get no pleasure, just a nice warm fuzzy smug glow.

    I am not engaging with you on this anymore. Your posts are nasty


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,356 ✭✭✭✭briany


    batman75 wrote: »
    I appreciate you have a different opinion to me but the reality is their child is missing 13 years, presumed dead, so matter what anybody thinks these are the facts sadly. I'm not saying the McCann's are bad people but definitely their parenting is questionable. Because clearly 55 metres was too far because their child was abducted without them having an inkling.

    Questionable parenting... In retrospect. At the time, I would imagine the McCanns were basing their evening plan around the idea that one of the kids might wake up and wonder where the parents were, not the idea that a depraved prowler was on the loose and looking for his opening.


  • Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭batman75


    briany wrote: »
    Questionable parenting... In retrospect. At the time, I would imagine the McCanns were basing their evening plan around the idea that one of the kids might wake up and wonder where the parents were, not the idea that a depraved prowler was on the loose and looking for his opening.

    The McCann's are not bad people. People are human they make mistakes. Unfortunately this mistake had catastrophic consequences they must live with everyday of their lives sadly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,085 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I’m glad that you’re children are never ever at risk of anything happening to them due to your remarkable parenting skills. I’ll bet you were shocked at the little boy drowning in mayo the other night. I’d love to have heard your opinion on that...

    Pretty ****ing low response.

    It is possible to feel for the McCanns and to acknowledge they made an error in leaving the children unattended IMO

    To bring every child death into the discussion isn’t on


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  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    In this case, it appears he made the confession to a friend and showed him a video of himself raping another woman. The rape he's currently in prison for is that of an elderly woman staying at the same Portuguese resort as the McCanns. He has a long history of raping women and children apparantly.

    German police have found 'significant' DNA in the vehicle he used at the time and phone records place him in the area at the time of the abduction.

    I know it's the Daily Mail, but lots of info in this report:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387125/New-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-discussed-online-chatroom-years-later.html

    Unless they have found Madeline's DNA or personal belongings in the car or van he owned at the time it’s highly unlikely he’ll ever be charged - he may be a strong suspect but there have been a few “strong suspects” over the years that have never come to anything- without strong evidence this will never get to trial - as despicable as this guy obviously is, without strong evidence or a full confession it will be just heartbreaking for the family -it’s not unheard of for notorious criminals to admit to things they haven’t done just to increase their notoriety -


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 381 ✭✭ToddDameron


    What are all the busy bodies who spent years of their lives abusing/accusing the parents going to do if this man is proven to be responsible?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,759 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    What the McCann family has had to ensure has been horrific.

    However, leaving your kids unsupervised, while on holidays in an unfamiliar place, is poor parenting. There was a childminding service available.

    Leaving kids that age alone is dangerous. Madeleine was big enough to wander about and potentially injure herself or her siblings etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Could someone please point out where on this or any discussion relating to Madeleine people have ever said that Kate and Gerry weren’t negligent? Because I honestly don’t think anyone has ever said that at all.

    Yes they were negligent. They made a huge mistake but they are only human and they will have to live with the consequences for the rest of their lives.

    But their admittedly huge mistake does not make them killers either accidentally or deliberately.

    People need to stop letting the real culprit hide behind them - the man that took Madeline and killed her is responsible and him alone. Stop trying to scapegoating goat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Unless they have found Madeline's DNA or personal belongings in the car or van he owned at the time it’s highly unlikely he’ll ever be charged - he may be a strong suspect but there have been a few “strong suspects” over the years that have never come to anything- without strong evidence this will never get to trial - as despicable as this guy obviously is, without strong evidence or a full confession it will be just heartbreaking for the family -it’s not unheard of for notorious criminals to admit to things they haven’t done just to increase their notoriety -

    Yes, you definitely have a point there - scumbags running their mouths off to their friends is not a proper confession in itself and could mean nothing - I just get the feeling from these reports that there's something even more significant they have to back up this accusation.

    I mean, his name, face, phone number and vehicles are all over the news. I dunno, this just feels more substantial than just another suspect.

    Could be another dead end by all means, but I really hope this could finally be the breakthrough that gives her family some closure at last.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,356 ✭✭✭✭briany


    batman75 wrote: »
    The McCann's are not bad people. People are human they make mistakes. Unfortunately this mistake had catastrophic consequences they must live with everyday of their lives sadly.

    And that's been happening forever. You take a course of action that you think is fine but it meets with a certain variable outside of your knowledge at the time. The result is disaster, and could happen to anyone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭batman75


    People need to stop letting the real culprit hide behind them - the man that took Madeline and killed her is responsible and him alone. Stop trying to scapegoating goat.

    Your right in the sense that the McCann's didn't actually harm Madeleine. I guess the puzzlement is that they left their children unsupervised irrespective of their proximity. The bottom line is they had a duty of care to their children at all times.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    What are all the busy bodies who spent years of their lives abusing/accusing the parents going to do if this man is proven to be responsible?

    Oh they're still around...just wailing on them for negligence instead of murder now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    People need to stop letting the real culprit hide behind them - the man that took Madeline and killed her is responsible and him alone

    ???

    I guess that clears everything up. Cheers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭batman75


    briany wrote: »
    And that's been happening forever. You take a course of action that you think is fine but it meets with a certain variable outside of your knowledge at the time. The result is disaster, and could happen to anyone.

    Completely agree. Most mistakes don't have catastrophic consequences thankfully.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,716 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    What the McCann family has had to ensure has been horrific.

    However, leaving your kids unsupervised, while on holidays in an unfamiliar place, is poor parenting. There was a childminding service available.

    Leaving kids that age alone is dangerous. Madeleine was big enough to wander about and potentially injure herself or her siblings etc.

    I would argue that up to that year. 1000s of parents did similar, whether in Ireland Portugal or Spain etc - do you not think her parents 13 years on are fully aware and regretful of their negligence? But there’s 10s of 1000s of parents who are saying “but for the grace of God” - that could have been us.

    Give them a break will you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    batman75 wrote: »
    Your right in the sense that the McCann's didn't actually harm Madeleine. I guess the puzzlement is that they left their children unsupervised irrespective of their proximity. The bottom line is they had a duty of care to their children at all times.

    Yes they do but again it was a mistake. A huge mistake yes but a mistake all the same. There was no malice involved, no desire to actually abandon their children or to allow Madeleine to be taken.

    They are not bad people and they don’t deserve the hatred and vitriol that has been leveled at them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,759 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Give them a break will you?

    Didn't realise they were on boards.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,943 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    armaghlad wrote: »
    So a known German paedophile was living in close proximity to the hotel. How did they not find this lead at the time?

    He was transient in the area, it seems he may have been staying in a camper van. It also seems he had a car there which he registered in Germany at the same time as he was in the area. He may not have had a record at the time as I think he is only in.his mid 40's and he may have had an accomplice.

    I think it a case of good detective work piecing together that he had a type of camper and car seen in the area at the time, linking phone records and finding out he was in the area at the time

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    ???

    I guess that clears everything up. Cheers.

    It’s really not that hard to understand.

    People are, inadvertently I am sure, shielding the real culprit and absolving him of all blame by laying all responsibility at Kate and Gerry’s feet.

    And that won’t help anyone , Madeleine least of al. It needs to stop.


  • Registered Users Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    It’s really not that hard to understand.

    People are, inadvertently I am sure, shielding the real culprit and absolving him of all blame by laying all responsibility at Kate and Gerry’s feet.

    And that won’t help anyone , Madeleine least of al. It needs to stop.

    "man", "took", "killed".

    Have you considered telling Scotland Yard that you have solved the case? All the above is speculation, nothing more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    "man", "took", "killed".

    Have you considered telling Scotland Yard that you have solved the case? All the above is speculation, nothing more.

    A little more than speculation given what’s happening today.

    Sky News have just reported that the police believe poor Madeleine is dead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    A little more than speculation given what’s happening today.

    Sky News have just reported that the police believe poor Madeleine is dead.

    Well, forgive me then for believing that a working theory, the latest of dozens of working theories to date, based on the alleged drunken "confession" of a criminal to a third party, is only speculation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,716 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    so its taken 3 years to get this point from the tip off?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If this German convicted paedophile does, at the end of the day, prove to be the culprit, I would wonder was what his (or whoever IS the culprit) modus operandi. Maybe hanging around the tapas bar monitoring movements of the parents, posing as a regular customer. Or maybe he had a child himself, although I’m getting the impression he hung around alone in a camper van.

    As for disposing of remains, I’m quite sure the police etc have looked at the cliffs at Sagres where parking is available close to the cliffs edge. Below is the very wild steep cliff-edged Atlantic where a body would never be seen again except by remote chance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,942 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    so its taken 3 years to get this point from the tip off?
    The guy is in jail, so (a) he doesn't have Maddie and (b) he's not going anywhere. Better that the police take their time and get all of their ducks in a row.

    From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’.

    — Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    I thought it was that guy Robert Murat who did this, or am I misinformed. Same guy?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭tigger123


    FVP3 wrote: »
    I thought it was that guy Robert Murat who did this, or am I misinformed. Same guy?

    This guy has been semi identified as Christian H.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    tigger123 wrote: »
    This guy has been semi identified as Christian H.

    not the same guy?, I stopped following this when the English press convinced me that it was Murat. That was over I thought. I mean the friends of the McCanns saw him and pointed him out. How could they be wrong?


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