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Knock/Eirtrade thread

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    #722
    scudzilla
    Registered Users Posts: 11,911 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    Ive been seeing a lot of the keyrings online, jaysus they're some price for a very small piece of metal


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    #723
    joujoujou
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    So it began...

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    Looks like they also got SAS 737-700 (SE-REY) to be scrapped.

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    #724
    EchoIndia
    Registered Users Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Removal of engines is one of the first things to be done. They are liable to be owned by different parties than the airframe.


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    #725
    cson
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    That SAS bird is GECAS owned, only 17 years old.


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    #726
    [Deleted User]
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    cson wrote: »
    That SAS bird is GECAS owned, only 17 years old.

    Damn, when I first saw the 737 from Oslo on flight radar I was hoping it was a new route being run :-( oh well maybe in the future.


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    #727
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,887 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    cson wrote: »
    That SAS bird is GECAS owned, only 17 years old.

    I suspect the reason it's being scrapped has a lot more to do with the fact it's a -700. They don't save much on operating costs but have less capacity.

    Life ain't always empty.



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    #728
    HTCOne
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    And, like the -600, they share a lot of parts with the -800, so in combination with what you say, they become worth more as spares relatively young, just like the A318 and A319 for the 320 or 321 or the A340 for spares for the A330


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    #729
    Lurching
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    EchoIndia wrote: »
    Removal of engines is one of the first things to be done. They are liable to be owned by different parties than the airframe.

    I'm not going to totally disagree with you, but I'd imagine the engines on an A380 are some of the least likely to be leased due to their specialization and cost.
    Lessors have generally stayed well clear of A380's and likewise (but maybe not to the same degree) their engines.

    That being said, the engines still hold a considerable proportion of the value of a scrapped airframe, so would always be whipped off first.


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    #730
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    Lurching wrote: »
    I'm not going to totally disagree with you, but I'd imagine the engines on an A380 are some of the least likely to be leased due to their specialization and cost.
    Lessors have generally stayed well clear of A380's and likewise (but maybe not to the same degree) their engines.

    That being said, the engines still hold a considerable proportion of the value of a scrapped airframe, so would always be whipped off first.

    Engines are generally leased from the engine manufacturers


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    #731
    grayzer75
    Registered Users Posts: 973 ✭✭✭grayzer75


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Engines are generally leased from the engine manufacturers

    The leasing includes the 24/7 global monitoring and diagnostics in realtime.


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    #732
    joujoujou
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    I've no knowledge in that matter at all, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's not the best idea to keep engines outdoors just wrapped in plastic, hence they do their best to remove them asap. Apart from aforementioned ownership thingy, of course. ;)


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    #733
    [Deleted User]
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    joujoujou wrote: »
    I've no knowledge in that matter at all, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's not the best idea to keep engines outdoors just wrapped in plastic, hence they do their best to remove them asap. Apart from aforementioned ownership thingy, of course. ;)

    Eh why ? Clouds, hail, humidity, fog, rain, snow, ice, flooded runways. They are extremely durable engines, sitting on a wing in a nacelle with engine covers isn’t going to harm them.


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    #734
    joujoujou
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    Why? I believe quite similar to any sophisticated stuff. It's perfectly fine while it's working. Not so when lying idle for longer period. Anyway, just my thoughts, so thanks for clarification. :o


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    #735
    Teebor15
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    joujoujou wrote: »
    I've no knowledge in that matter at all, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's not the best idea to keep engines outdoors just wrapped in plastic, hence they do their best to remove them asap. Apart from aforementioned ownership thingy, of course. ;)

    But don't they spend nearly all their life outdoors, what difference does another few months make.

    No, the real reason they are taken off first is to prevent some ethic minority sneaking in and removing them first...imagine what one of them engines would do to improve the performance of a sulky!


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    #736
    easygoing39
    Registered Users Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭easygoing39


    The engines have been spotted in the past few weeks heading down the N11 on the back off artic's.


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    #737
    artanevilla
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    If you want to store engines for any period of time they should be preserved in accordance with the maintenance or shop manual. Yes they spend their life outdoors but they are also running everyday, when they are sitting they need to be preserved.

    If you are buying an engine that's been taken off wing, one of the first things you look for is evidence of preservation.


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    #738
    artanevilla
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    Teebor15 wrote: »
    But don't they spend nearly all their life outdoors, what difference does another few months make.

    No, the real reason they are taken off first is to prevent some ethic minority sneaking in and removing them first...imagine what one of them engines would do to improve the performance of a sulky!

    I've seen the inside of hundreds of engines, fresh from a flight, sitting preserved for months, and sitting not preserved for months, there is a huge difference and you can tell straight away if and engine has been poorly preserved, particularly is harsh environments, the build up of salt on the blades is incredible, and that's just the gaspath.

    If the fuel system hasn't been purged and filled with preserving fluid and it's sitting for a good period of time, you may strip out the whole system and replace it.


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    #739
    Comhrá
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    Teebor15 wrote: »
    But don't they spend nearly all their life outdoors, what difference does another few months make.

    No, the real reason they are taken off first is to prevent some ethic minority sneaking in and removing them first...imagine what one of them engines would do to improve the performance of a sulky!


    Amazing! Never knew aero engines contained copper piping.


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    #740
    hopeso
    Registered Users Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭hopeso


    And it all kicks off again............................... https://flyinginireland.com/2020/07/date-for-next-airbus-a380-for-knock/?fbclid=IwAR12tGcdObt-ku7rmgOe2FmiZFqHn8lB4t-aWlOj7EhgA-M7_AvbrRcFSrc


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    #741
    Car99
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    joujoujou wrote: »
    I've no knowledge in that matter at all, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's not the best idea to keep engines outdoors just wrapped in plastic, hence they do their best to remove them asap. Apart from aforementioned ownership thingy, of course. ;)

    Engines spend 99.9% of their working lives in all types of extreme environments , being stored outside IAW the manufacturers approved procedures would not be a problem. They remove them asap because they are a valuable asset.


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    #742
    Silent Running
    Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    hopeso wrote: »
    And it all kicks off again............................... https://flyinginireland.com/2020/07/date-for-next-airbus-a380-for-knock/?fbclid=IwAR12tGcdObt-ku7rmgOe2FmiZFqHn8lB4t-aWlOj7EhgA-M7_AvbrRcFSrc

    Just looking at Knock airport on Google Earth. They'll need to get slicing and dicing if they're going to fit another A380 there, especially if they've now got a 737 there as well.


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    #743
    joujoujou
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    They already do. When I was there, noticed diggers tirelessly working around the place, now I know why. :cool:


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    #744
    eastmayo
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    Silent Running wrote: »
    Just looking at Knock airport on Google Earth. They'll need to get slicing and dicing if they're going to fit another A380 there, especially if they've now got a 737 there as well.

    There is also 2 no a320 that arrived today to be scrapped. Alot off work to do before we see the next A380.


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    #745
    Cosmo Kramer
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    Went up there yesterday for a look. The SAS 737 is great in terms of giving some perspective to the size of the A380.

    There were a couple of diggers at work on the ground beside the A380, perhaps this is to enlarge the tarmac area for more arrivals.

    Will be plenty of planes getting scrapped in the next couple of years I'd imagine.


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    #746
    [Deleted User]
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    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    perhaps this is to enlarge the tarmac area for more arrivals.

    ;)


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    #747
    [Deleted User]
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    Next one due August 12th 1300 F-HPJD

    Usual health warnings on date and time.


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    #748
    Pat Dunne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭Pat Dunne


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Next one due August 12th 1300 F-HPJD

    Usual health warnings on date and time.

    I feel a road trip coming on! :)


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    #749
    leex
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    Best pic from a visit on Sunday.


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    #750
    whodafunk
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Next one due August 12th 1300 F-HPJD

    Usual health warnings on date and time.

    Thanks for that info. I’m about 50km from Knock around that time and considering a visit with the kids. How likely is this to take place? Also is there just 1 runway or where is the best place for viewing?

    Thanks again


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    #751
    Inquitus
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    How are they making a profit out of this, with the number of A380's being grounded and indeed scrapped, the market for parts must be flooded?


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