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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Jumped back into Blue Reflection last night.

    I really want to love this game. Closet fan of magical girl anime like Sailor Moon and Card Capture Sakura and there really is huge potential for a magical girl RPG.

    The character models look gorgeous and so do the environments. The soundtrack is absolutely incredible. The UI is gorgeous as well.

    However the game is low budget so tried to be like Persona 3/4 but hasn't managed it. There's only 4 dungeons in the game and you will visit them a lot. They are tiny and there's no variety in them as there's no randomisation like persona has. The battle system has loads of potential, you can interrupt attacks and status effects are useful but the game is such a breeze that it never comes into play. You are never challenged. Also the game just has girls.... it really needs guys in it to liven things up. And it just takes itself way too seriously. It needs the comedy elements of a Sailor Moon to keep things interesting but everything is just played so straight.

    I wish Gust could have given it the budget it deserved as there's a great game in there wanting to get out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭megaten


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Jumped back into Blue Reflection last night.

    I really want to love this game. Closet fan of magical girl anime like Sailor Moon and Card Capture Sakura and there really is huge potential for a magical girl RPG.

    The character models look gorgeous and so do the environments. The soundtrack is absolutely incredible. The UI is gorgeous as well.
    Same, it would be easier to excuse how little there is to it but the characters are so bland that I don't feel anything about them. There's just so little substance to the entire game


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    megaten wrote: »
    Same, it would be easier to excuse how little there is to it but the characters are so bland that I don't feel anything about them. There's just so little substance to the entire game

    Needs more Tuxedo Mask.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭megaten


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Needs more Tuxedo Mask.
    0 emotional support dudes is the least of that games problems.


  • Registered Users Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Sieghardt


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Jumped back into Blue Reflection last night.

    I really want to love this game. Closet fan of magical girl anime like Sailor Moon and Card Capture Sakura and there really is huge potential for a magical girl RPG.

    The character models look gorgeous and so do the environments. The soundtrack is absolutely incredible. The UI is gorgeous as well.

    However the game is low budget so tried to be like Persona 3/4 but hasn't managed it. There's only 4 dungeons in the game and you will visit them a lot. They are tiny and there's no variety in them as there's no randomisation like persona has. The battle system has loads of potential, you can interrupt attacks and status effects are useful but the game is such a breeze that it never comes into play. You are never challenged. Also the game just has girls.... it really needs guys in it to liven things up. And it just takes itself way too seriously. It needs the comedy elements of a Sailor Moon to keep things interesting but everything is just played so straight.

    I wish Gust could have given it the budget it deserved as there's a great game in there wanting to get out.

    It's really sad because Mana Khemia is a worthy competitor to Persona, has a fantastic main story and great individual character stories that progress through fun character quests that let them shine, it did so much right that BR gets wrong. The grow book in that was an addictive progression system. In contrast, battles are nearly pointless in BR, you get no exp and just random drops that generally dont do much either. You're better off avoiding battles 99% of the time.

    The soundtrack is packed with great tunes too, but you're going to hear the same couple of tracks for 90% of the game with the other very rarely used, despite tons of scenes being nigh on silent save for ambient noises


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Atelier Ryza 2 getting a PS5 version. Could be a good move for the series. Probably will be one of the first JRPGs on the system and people more willing to take a chance early on when there's feck all on a new system. Could create more Atelier fans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭skerry


    Any thoughts on Star Ocean Till the End of Time or The Last Hope folks? Never played the franchise and was thinking of picking up one of these in the PS4 sale.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Fun battle systems. Til the end of Time though drops it's trousers and takes a massive dump all over the story of Star Ocean 1 and 2. Then kicks it in the nads for good luck.

    Last Hope is fun if you can stick the god awful story and over long cutscenes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    skerry wrote: »
    Any thoughts on Star Ocean Till the End of Time or The Last Hope folks? Never played the franchise and was thinking of picking up one of these in the PS4 sale.

    Avoid both.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Xenji wrote: »
    Avoid both.

    In retrospect, this is probably the more realistic approach.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭skerry


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Fun battle systems. Til the end of Time though drops it's trousers and takes a massive dump all over the story of Star Ocean 1 and 2. Then kicks it in the nads for good luck.

    Last Hope is fun if you can stick the god awful story and over long cutscenes.

    I've heard that Till the End of Time has a bit of a wacky plot twist alright. Last Hope remaster looks lovely but I've also heard the characters and protagonist especially are fairly bland.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    skerry wrote: »
    I've heard that Till the End of Time has a bit of a wacky plot twist alright. Last Hope remaster looks lovely but I've also heard the characters and protagonist especially are fairly bland.

    Both descriptions I'd describe as being very nice about those parts of the games


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭skerry


    Xenji wrote: »
    Avoid both.

    OK, it was either one of these or go completely different direction and get Fist of the North Star so might go with that so.

    Are any of the Star Ocean games recommended? Ive debated First Departure on Switch a few times when its been on sale.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Honestly.... There's so many much better games. They seem like they will be awesome. A sci fi rpg but then about an hour in it goes star trek prime directive and you can't use sci fi stuff or you'll influence the less developed natives and it becomes a standard fantasy rpg.

    If you want something good by tri ace then try the ps1 version of valkyrie profile (psp version is a downgrade of the fixes in the western release and look fugly).


  • Registered Users Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Sieghardt


    skerry wrote: »
    Any thoughts on Star Ocean Till the End of Time or The Last Hope folks? Never played the franchise and was thinking of picking up one of these in the PS4 sale.

    Both are bad, if you want to try the star ocean series I would recommend trying First Departure instead, then hope second evolution gets released and then avoid the rest forever


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭skerry


    Fairly unanimous there folks. Thanks for the input as always. I've a bit to go in FFXII so have my Sci Fi JRPG fix sorted for a while yet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    skerry wrote: »
    OK, it was either one of these or go completely different direction and get Fist of the North Star so might go with that so.

    Are any of the Star Ocean games recommended? Ive debated First Departure on Switch a few times when its been on sale.

    I actually had great fun with Fist Of The North Star, do not expect a masterpiece but if you have played any of the Yakuza games you will know what you are getting into combat wise, Judgement is also very good and is usually on sale as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭skerry


    Xenji wrote: »
    I actually had great fun with Fist Of The North Star, do not expect a masterpiece but if you have played any of the Yakuza games you will know what you are getting into combat wise, Judgement is also very good and is usually on sale as well.

    Love the Yakuza games and Fist of the North Star looks just as off the wall so gonna go for that. Have played first few hrs of Judgement and like what Ive played so far, the detective elements work well enough apart from some tailing missions, bit of a Phoenix Wright vibe in places too. Looking forward to Like a Dragon in November but wary of Yakuza burnout before then. I usually take a few months off between Yakuza games


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    skerry wrote: »
    Love the Yakuza games and Fist of the North Star looks just as off the wall so gonna go for that. Have played first few hrs of Judgement and like what Ive played so far, the detective elements work well enough apart from some tailing missions, bit of a Phoenix Wright vibe in places too. Looking forward to Like a Dragon in November but wary of Yakuza burnout before then. I usually take a few months off between Yakuza games

    Judgement is on sale atm, get that instead, fun game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Just starting Ys Origins on the Switch the intro video is really making me pine for Lunar Silver Star.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Just starting Ys Origins on the Switch the intro video is really making me pine for Lunar Silver Star.

    Be careful what you wish for, the PSP remake was garbage. I do love Game Art style RPGs. Everything is so modern anime and quite frankly ****. I miss the 80's, early 90's anime aesthetic and more care free attitude and you only really get that in Falcom games like Ys.

    Would love more games like Grandia and Skies of Arcadia basically.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    I'd love a remastered of Lunar and Skies just regigger the controls, the psp one was a watered down version I wish they'd done what the Dragon Quest VIII team did with the 3ds version for Lunar tone down the music and liten the graphics a little bit but it was less than 25% of the PS1 version and about 1% of the Saturn one.

    Ys is different a very lite version again but for €20 on the eshop and coming in a 2.5GB it's very bright colourful and after about 40 minutes of play very engaging so far, started with Hugo gonna dip in and out for the next few days to play it lightly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Also reminds me of the Legend of Heroes psp games I believe Falcom published them too.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Also reminds me of the Legend of Heroes psp games I believe Falcom published them too.

    The XSeed published ones are great. The Namco published trilogy while playing great is unfortunately ruined with an awful localisation. The first release is the second in the series. Then they released the first as the second game and totally ****ed up the translation even more to shoe horn that in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭_Godot_


    I loved both Star Oceans they ported to the psp. I played First Departure several times, but Second Evolution only once. But yeah, if you're looking for pure sci fi rpg, they are not the way to go. If you have a ds or 2ds/3ds, maybe look for Infinite Space instead if you want a handheld sci fi rpg.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    So I started Ys Oath in Felghana at the weekend again. I forgot just how much fun it is. Falcom really have no peers when it comes to Action RPGs. So much fun.

    Some of the bosses though are incredible tough. Just spent the last hour on the fire dragon.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,717 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Falcom really have no peers when it comes to Action RPGs.

    Someone hasn’t played Hades yet ;)

    (said as a Ys fan)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Someone hasn’t played Hades yet ;)

    (said as a Ys fan)

    I'm holding off on that game as I know in a few months time it's going to be bigger and even better with updates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭megaten


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    I'm holding off on that game as I know in a few months time it's going to be bigger and even better with updates.


    I thought Hades was finished now? Wasn't it an early access game?


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,717 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Yep, it’s 1.0 now, and basically as close to perfect as you can get.

    They could well add more content due its popularity (and no game has ever deserved to be such a hit more), but yeah I would not hesitate to dive in.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I'll buy it in the next few weeks.

    It is complete in that it's got an ending now but it's one of those games I can see the developer supporting with lots of content. I've plenty to play at the moment so don't mind hanging on to see if it is supported.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Every boss in Oath in Felghana has been me dying within the first 30 seconds and going 'how the actual **** am I supposed to beat this' to slowly learning the patterns and overcoming it. It's a lot of fun and the fights are short enough and restarts so quick you don't mind the punishment.

    Also whoever made the achievements is a prick.

    Got an achievement for dying 10 times on the same boss. 'Go consult a FAQ already'. Bastards.


  • Registered Users Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Eduard Khil


    I'm ashamed I have restarted Ys Origins on my switch in easy mode got killed so many times over the last couple of days I'm gonna try it on easy mode just to get the feel of the tower fun game when not getting murdered. :D


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Oath in Felghana beaten. Adored it. You really have to abuse the auto heal power up in the end few dungeons! Really fun with the right amount of challenge and quite short as well.

    Started up Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter as it's a game I've been interested in trying for ages. So far it's been really good. The battle system is really interesting. You really have to resource manage as well, it's almost survival horror-esque. I can see how the rogue like elements will play out later as well.

    It's a strange game, I'm prepared to die and start over a few times but I can see how it got slated at release when people just didn't understand rogue-likes before the likes of Spelunky. It's a game well ahead of it's time and I think if Capcom did a remaster it would be very well received.

    Soundtrack is excellent as well. Hitoshi Sakimoto and his team going a bit more electronic than usual but the atmosphere is top notch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    Start playing Persona 5 today. Great fun I could play it all day... but what the hell is going on :confused: I play on :D


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Start playing Persona 5 today. Great fun I could play it all day... but what the hell is going on :confused: I play on :D

    Beginning is a slow burn but once you get the first dungeon out of the way it opens up nicely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Finished trails of cold steel 1 there.

    I'm not too sure what the hell I just played.

    It took 100 hours (I have a feeling the turbo speed boosted that).

    Ok one hand it's slow and steady RPG battles bit on the other a fairly deep and lore (though the payoff here took agessss).

    I'm not too sure about the last act, the plot twist etc.

    Final thoughts. This game needs an editor more badly than a hideo Kohima game. The sheer amount of repetitive dialogue is mind boggling and wasted a serious amount of time.

    I have the second bought but not in a big rush atm.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    noodler wrote: »
    Finished trails of cold steel 1 there.

    I'm not too sure what the hell I just played.

    It took 100 hours (I have a feeling the turbo speed boosted that).

    Ok one hand it's slow and steady RPG battles bit on the other a fairly deep and lore (though the payoff here took agessss).

    I'm not too sure about the last act, the plot twist etc.

    Final thoughts. This game needs an editor more badly than a hideo Kohima game. The sheer amount of repetitive dialogue is mind boggling and wasted a serious amount of time.

    I have the second bought but not in a big rush atm.

    Welcome to the Trails games.

    I've only play Trails in the Sky but had a similar experience. It felt like a very long slog through 4 very different storylines until the final chapter when all the plot threads came together and the finale was incredible with an absolutely gut wrenching ending. It was ultimately worth it I fell but it is an investment and not for everyone. It really is more about the plot than the actual game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Someone recommend me a good JRPG I can get on steam?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Persona 4, trials of Mana, trails of cold steel, ys VIII, digimon story cyber sleuth, valkyria chronicles 4.

    I'd normally highly recommend dragon quest xi but the updated S version is coming soon.

    Yakuza 7 is out very soon as well and is a turn based rpg now.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Nier: Automata, Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana and Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance to add to the above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭RedXIV




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,698 ✭✭✭sniper_samurai


    Seems the new versions of Dragon Age XI S retain the reduced visual quality from the Switch version.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Seems the new versions of Dragon Age XI S retain the reduced visual quality from the Switch version.

    It's been known for a while that's the case. Very disappointing but the extra content still makes it the better game.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Suda51's The Silver Case and The 25th Ward: The Silver Case are getting a western Switch port.


  • Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭Arcadeheroes




  • Registered Users Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Sieghardt


    I wish SEGA were as interested in releasing, remastering and remaking SEGA titles. Skies of Arcadia, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Dragon Force, Shining Force 3, Phantasy Star etc all crying out for it


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    SMT III: Nocturne unfortunately looks like it has been badly ported going by people who have played the Japanese version that's coming west next year, it looks like I.T.L are behind it.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Well that sucks big time.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,831 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I started Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter a while ago and the opening didn't grab me. The first two characters can only do basic attacks and the battle system seemed like you just move up to enemies and attack them. The trap system seemed interesting but i didn't find too much of a use for it.

    I got distracted by other games but have been meaning to come back to it.

    I managed to fit in an hour and a half last night and I'm so glad I did. I lost one party member and then picked up two new party members who are the party for the rest of the game. It's totally transformed the battle system.

    Nina can cast magic but there's no direct magic, you have to lay damage zones on the ground and kite enemies into them. Lin can attack from afar and while she isn't the most powerful she can knock enemies back and lay down status effects. Due to the movement in the game speed downs and movement binds are absolutely devastating. When I managed to beat an extremely intimidating boss using a trap made of bombs I placed and finished it without taking a hit I knew this game was special. Enemy AI makes things interesting with some enemies making a beeline to you while others will actively avoid the magic damage areas meaning you have to cast magic behind them and knock them back into it. There's some survival horror mechanics as well with a limited inventory which has you more actively using items and what is actually necessary to carry around.

    One weird change in the PAL version I don't like is they removed the temporary save option and replaced it by giving you a few more save tokens at the start. I liked the idea that you could gamble on not using a limited save token to make a permanent save to try and get to the next are to get more rewards for new game + but it's completely gone from the PAL version.

    I've had a complete 180 on this game. The battle system is up there with Grandia's as one of the best ever and I'm thoroughly enjoying it now. Loving the Hitoshi Sakimoto soundtrack as well, it's much more ambient and electronic compared to his usual orchestral bombast.


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