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28-05-2012 7:13pm#1Join Date:Posts: 51576
Hmm let's see how a thread like this works.
Anyway for the first post I'd like to let people know that ATB podcast with its host Kat Bailey is back on 1up. The first episode might be Western RPG focused but the podcast is well worth a listen.
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Can't really think of much. Ys Origins is coming to Steam this year which will be great. I'm hoping the second and third Legend of Heroes games will make it to Steam as well.
Really want to see what Atlus are up to at E3. Hoping Eternal Punishment gets a PSP release. I'll be picking up Growlanser 4 and Gungnir. Etrian Odyssey 4 is going to be superb.
I'm hoping Tales of Xillia makes it to the west and will be picking up Tales of Graces F soon.
Going to have to pick up Ni No Kuni, it looks amazing.
Fire Emblem, Bravely Default, Beyond the Labyrinth and Rocket Slime 3 are a few I hope make it to the West.
Oh and the Ys 4 remake on Vita will be the game that makes me pick up a Vita.
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Let us know if these psp games are good, would be interested in picking one up. Saw trailer for gungnir recently and it looked good!
What's this Ys remake? Is that just you hoping for it, or has it been leaked/announced?
I probably won't get around to them for a long time as usual put if I do I'll post my thoughts.
Also the Ys 4 remake is definitely coming and XSeed will be publishing in America. If it's half as god as Oath in Felghana and Ys Seven I'll buy a Vita for it.
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Grandia is amazing, definitely give that a go.
Other than that Chrono Cross and Xenogears are alright I suppose. If you've not played FF Tactics then you really should.
I really enjoyed Vagrant Story although it's a bit obtuse. Parasite Eve would be another good one to try.
Breath of Fire 3 and 4 are excellent.
I loved Front Mission 3.Legend of Dragoon
I feel your pain.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »You're either very young or have a higher pain threshold for load times, awful combat mechanics and writing that would make an episode of power rangers blush.
Is 18 too young?
Nah I did enjoy it, I understand it had it's problems, I actually liked the combat system.
I didn't really notice the load times, load times in general don't really bother me since I played it on a PSP.0 -
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Thought the combat system was one of the worse things about it. All you had was attack, defend and items and the dragoon powers when you did get them added nothing to the game.
When I was 18 FFVII had the greatest story ever written so possibly :P
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Sephiroth_dude wrote: »hahaha that last bit made laugh : D
For tales fans,Tales of Xillia 2
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/06/02/tales-of-xillia-2-is-the-next-tales-title.aspx
We haven't even gotten the first bloody one!
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Ys Seven and Oath in Felghana are the two best on the PSN store. I really liked Ys Chronicles as well, fantastic remakes of the first two games but the obtuse elements of the first game mean you need a walkthrough to get through it (XSeed knew this so included a walkthrough in the manual for Ys 1). Still well worth getting though and Ys 2 is just superb.
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Well I'll put it this way. The storylines are so cliche that the later games actively take the piss out of how bad they are themselves. Nearly every game starts with the main character washing up on the shore with the exception of one of the later games were the characters joke about how Adol didn't end up washing up on shore before that exact thing happens. Dogi saving Adol by busting open a wall with his head has gone from trope to a comedy act. It's more a series that you play because the ARPG combat mechanics are insanely fast paced and fun so it really doesn't matter what order you play them in even though they all follow each other.
I heard that it's best to start with Ys Seven. I'd only recommend Chronicles to fans of the series since it might initially put people off with the slow start and the fact that Ys 2 is a massive improvement over the first game but in this case you should play 1 and 2 in order (Chronicles has both 1 and 2 on it). Oath in Felghana is a remake of the third game in the series and is the best by far but start with Ys Seven because Felghana makes so many improvements over Seven that it can be hard to go back to it.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »Well I'll put it this way. The storylines are so cliche that the later games actively take the piss out of how bad they are themselves. Nearly every game starts with the main character washing up on the shore with the exception of one of the later games were the characters joke about how Adol didn't end up washing up on shore before that exact thing happens. Dogi saving Adol by busting open a wall with his head has gone from trope to a comedy act. It's more a series that you play because the ARPG combat mechanics are insanely fast paced and fun so it really doesn't matter what order you play them in even though they all follow each other.
I heard that it's best to start with Ys Seven. I'd only recommend Chronicles to fans of the series since it might initially put people off with the slow start and the fact that Ys 2 is a massive improvement over the first game but in this case you should play 1 and 2 in order (Chronicles has both 1 and 2 on it). Oath in Felghana is a remake of the third game in the series and is the best by far but start with Ys Seven because Felghana makes so many improvements over Seven that it can be hard to go back to it.
About 3 hours into Ys Seven and have to say, I'm glad you gave me the outline, the in game jokes are making loads more sense ("Lucky we didn't go by boat eh Adol?") etc. Also, I get the feeling they are taking the mick out of FF7 a bit with the flower seller role at the start, especially when talking to an NPC later who says something like "I love the flower girl in the market, whats her name? Iris? Eris?" when the girls name is nothing of the sort (its Tia).
Great fun though, cheers for the heads up on it
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I'm playing though Ni no Kuni on PS3 now and I'm about 35 hours into it. If anyone wants to know about it just ask me.
It's great by the way.
Edit: I wrote this up on another forum so I figured I'd just copy paste it here. It's fairly long, so apologies for that. I just enjoy writing about this game.
The presentation is amazing and as a Ghibli fan I’m not disappointed at all. The game engine does a great job of replicating the feel of a Ghibli world and even though the animated cut scenes from Ghibli are quite short and scarce they are at the high standard you’d expect from them. Everything else from the characters to the spells and skills look great.
The game has a world map, town and dungeon system which I really like. The world map is exactly like say,FFVII for example and it has hidden places to explore like caves and forests that aren’t marked on the map. The towns are big and have plenty of NPCs to chat to, many of whom have something interesting to say. The NPCs also give you your usual RPG style quests, but there are also other types of quests, such as bounty quests that have you defeat a special type of a certain imajinn and heart piece quests which have you seek out different personality types and transfer it to people who need it. This quest type ties into the story quite a lot.
The battle system is real time and you fight with either the main characters or with imajinns. At first you can only use the imajinns you get given, but you can soon start capturing them. There are about 10 different styles of imajinn such as beast, bird, dragon etc, and each one can evolve which changes their abilities, stats and even appearance. There are 3 or 4 stages to each imajinn and including the stages there are about 400 imajinn in total to collect and use.
When fighting enemies, they sometimes drop hp/mp orbs, but on more rarer occasions they drop golden orbs which lets the collector use a special ability. Each character and imajinn has their own unique special ability so there are tons to see and trying to see them all is something really fun. Each character can have 3 imajinn to battle with with 3 in reserve to swap outside of battle and you can store 400 imajinn in “manholes” around towns and dungeons.
The story is one of the big plus points of the game. It is kind of the usual hero story, but it’s stylized in a way that makes it interesting and different to anything else. I like all of the characters especially Shizuki(Drippy, the side kick of Oliver) as he’s really funny. The side quests too sometimes have pretty interesting stories to them.
I worry a little bit about certain aspects of the localisation though. For example you go to a forest named Dotonmori (mori means forest) which is a play on a town in Osaka, Japan called Dotonbori, The forest is designed to look like Dotonbori and everyone in there speaks in an Osakan dialect. It’ll be kind of a shame to have these things lost on the player, but I know Level 5 usually have very good localisation. They’re giving Drippy a Welsh accent which should be fun!
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In the Azumanga Daioh anime they gave the character from Osaka a deep-south (American) accent to distinguish her from the more neutral American accents of the others. They explained that that was the closest they could get to the difference between Osaka/Tokyo. Not sure if that'd work in Ni No Kuni.
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About 3 hours into Ys Seven and have to say, I'm glad you gave me the outline, the in game jokes are making loads more sense ("Lucky we didn't go by boat eh Adol?") etc. Also, I get the feeling they are taking the mick out of FF7 a bit with the flower seller role at the start, especially when talking to an NPC later who says something like "I love the flower girl in the market, whats her name? Iris? Eris?" when the girls name is nothing of the sort (its Tia).
Great fun though, cheers for the heads up on it
Make sure you move on to Oath in Felghana ASAP I love Seven: was my first experience of the series, and while it's a little easy I loved the presentation, music and gameplay. Played it over the course of a month in Japan and it made the extended train trips fly by. Oath in Felghana just tops it in pretty much every respect, and is occasionally an absolute bastard difficulty wise too 0 -
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There's a steam leak that suggests that FFVII and FFVIII are heading to Steam. More than likely true considering Squaresoft own Eidos, the original publisher of the PC versions so it's not longer a cluster**** of legal issues.
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Just listing out old Jrpgs I played mostly ps1 for. Im leaving out the FF series.
Legend of Legaia-I played so far back I cant remember much details but I did love it. The learning moves from enemies was fun. It was difficult enough back when I was 10. But the thing that stood out was the Debug menu, I use to use cheat alot back then. The music was very memorable, oh the pan pipes. I think I finished it but cant remember. Battle system was fast enough not too complicated but still interesting with combos.
Wild Arms-Jrpg Cowboys. What else can I say. I dont think I finished this game because I distinctly remember being stuck in a cave and I had to boot something I think but I just gave up there.
Legend of Dragoon- Quicktime turn based battles. That was its feature that stood out the most to me. Story was so and so but Dragoon transformation and its 3d graphics kept me playing...until disc 3 cos it was broken. Oh ingame disc swapping. Those were the days.
Legend of Cocoon- I never actually managed to even get to the 1st hour of the game cos the CD I got from my friend was badly scratched but I kept trying..
Megamand Legends- Yes yes. Loved the games. Must play the platforming was abit awkward sometimes due to stiff movements but other than that it was a blast to play.
Digimon world 2- I like this the best out of the series because of its dungeon crawling and turn based combat system a la FF. The other games had entirely different gameplay which didn't appeal to me.
Xenogear- My all time favourite. Highly recommended. Mechs and great story.
Play it. If only PSN would add more PS1 games.
Breath of fire 4- Another highly recommend. The art is very beautiful for its generation and the story was just as great. Mixing up elements to create different attacks was great, Always surprised on what attack I can make up. And ofcourse the fishing mini game.
This is all I can remember so far. I might post more later. I want to hear peoples experience of the games I listed and just to reminisce on good old games. I didnt own a PS2 so I missed out on the sequels all I can do I wait for more old game to be available on PSN.0 -
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Out of those that I've played Legend of Dragoon is quite possibly the worst JRPG on the PS1. Manages to distill everything that was wrong with PS1 era JRPGs into 4 discs of torture. My girlfriend was actually talking to me last night about it saying how she never wanted to even see the box art again after playing it for an hout after she mistakenly thought it would be 'so bad it's good'. Dreadful story, crap graphics, horrendous localisation and probably the worst battles system of any RPG topped off with frequent load times.
Xenogears is an absolute trainwreck of a game but a very interesting one. It's a total rip off of evangelion as well. For every really clever idea the game has it has another absolutely stupid scene, like the teddy bear crucification or the 'soylent system', guess what that one does. The whole second disc is a complete mess. However I still think it's worth playing, it looks good, it's interesting despite some instances of out and out stupidity and the battle system is quite unique. Not really the games fault it's a mess, the team was gutted so that FFVII could get released on time.
Megaman Legends isn't an RPG, it plays more like Ocarina of Time (and actually came out before it). It is however so god damn good, the sequel is even better as is the spin-off Misadventures of Tron Bonne. Definitely 3 of the most underappreciated PS1 games.
Must play Breath of Fire 4, have a few friends and my GF nagging me to play it.
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Would love to see FFVII on steam just to see the "debug" room that people were able to get into on the PC version. Other than that, I don't know if having it on my PC as well as PSOne, PSP, PS3, Phone, probably Vita soon is going to be necessary.
I remember having the demo of grandstream saga and thinking it was horrible
I also played one of the wild arms games but they had insane difficulty spikes! Was happily playing away for about 2 hours and then boom, a dungeon full of one hit kill enemies.
Also miss Dark Chronicle on the PS2 that I used to have. I loved the idea of it but didn't like the dungeon design so sold it on. Probably my biggest regret to date.0 -
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