oughterard people - see OP for Mod warning 29/09/19

Not from Oughterard myself, but live close by and know it well.

Didnt see PrimeTime.

Oughterard is a tourist spot. The place is always crawling in tourists, however, the tourists are typically only passing through because of inadequate Hotels. There has been a Hotel that has been shutdown since the crash as a result of the usual Banking/Lending/NAMA scenario.

Oughterard is a lovely Town and the people there are nice. I can understand why they are upset.

I thought they spoke very well unlike the blustering politician

Anyone have a link to it? Havent seen it.

She came from Laois she had a thirst for porter,
She was wrecked but I liked her daughter,
That's why I,
Passed her by.
She told me that her Dad a daycent farm,
I said "In that case I'll turn on the charm."
She said "Fine."
And in thirty seconds time she said,

I want to live like Oughterard people,
I want to do whatever Oughterard people do,
I want to sleep with Oughterard people,
I want to sleep with Oughterard people,
Like you.

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The in sync condemnation of noel grealish is predictable, it's a repeat of the Peter casey episode, stray from the aprooved line about a progressive liberal sacred cow and you will be attacked.

Noel Grealish is 100% correct in what he said in that the vast majority of ''refugees'' in this country are only economic migrants.

The liberal bleeding hearts will destroy this country if given half a chance but will be nowhere to be seen or heard when all the problems arise.

Wibbs wrote: »

The other thread hereabouts about TV intros had one on 70's documentary The World at War about the second world war. I had an oul look again at a couple of episodes that evening and one on the fall of France after Germany invaded mentioned the terrible state of the long lines of civillian refugees fleeing the conflict. And you know what stands out, and stands out with any such genuine refugee flood? the vast majority of refugees were women and children and old people. Vanishingly few young men. Compare and contrast with the current so called chancers "refugee crisis". The ratio is completely reversed. Nearly all young men. Hmmmm. Or as I like to call it; utter bollocks.

Families, women and kids, the elderly? No problem with those folks coming here as genuine refugees from actual warzones. Young men coming across the Mediterranean in their hundreds of thousands? Bugger off, go home.

To be fair, W. It’s not always an “easy route” for these people. The men go first to see if it’s safe and then send for the family.

What’s the quote, ‘You don’t put a child in a boat unless the water is safer than the land’? Something like that.

There will always be “chancers” and “scammers” but they should be easily weeded out by the system. The fact they’re not is, mostly, down to the amount of money being made by keeping these people within the system.

As for the real refugees, they wouldn’t still be coming here to be locked up in substandard accommodation and treated like prisoners if it wasn’t better than where they came from.

biko wrote: »

The social democratic take on things
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=895081304203213&id=100011040543342

As I have said earlier, social democrats will walk all over the locals to get what they want.
In other places it's not uncommon for them to run the centres and profit directly from their own politics.

What a weak case to make by that guy. The same old disingenuous analogy of Irish emigrating to America. The people represented by the statues in Sligo were processed legally at Ellis island. They didn't sneak in. They were not given any free lodgings or food, of any kind. Their religious and cultural pursuits were not facilitated by Uncle Sam but self-funded.

That migration is clearly NOT on the same basis as the movement of migrants into Ireland in 2019 who abuse the asylum system with bogus claims.

There is one odd parallel however - moneymaking by self-serving natives. Many Americans were happy to take in the Irish to exploit their labour in factories and farms; here we have failed hostelry owners, unscrupulous elements of the legal fraternity who launch appeal after appeal with taxpayers' money, of course careerist politicians and quango fund recipients.

That train is a hard one to stop.

Send them to ballygobackwards

Wibbs wrote: »

I call shenanigans on that E. And it is better than were they come from, once they get into the system and out the other end of it. Three square meals and roof over their heads and then out into a welfare system that's one of the most generous in the world and a culture of suckers and handwringers that accommodate them and ignore the local's concerns and have the brass neck to accuse them of being intolerant or racist.

It’s a terrible system, from what I’ve seem anyway. It’s akin to a prison. And considering you can be there for the guts of a decade I’d have to think the majority of them in there consider it better than where they’ve been. The “unaccompanied” minors in the hostels with adults

You’d have to wonder why we don’t have a “system” that takes 6 months to process and allows for appeal after appeal after appeal. No real drive to educate on the country or mandatory English classes.

Direct Provision is big business so it’s not going to change anytime soon. Local concerns will be taken onboard and, summarily, ignored. Putting a few hundred refugees into a town with about a thousand people is a terrible idea. “Culture shock” for the newbies and for the natives. There’ll be a massive drain on local amenities, don’t think the DP centre will have its own doctor or dentist either.

Will any of that matter? Probably not while there’s money to be made but I’d be surprised if this one actually goes through. Even one of those “anti-racism” groups thought it was a terrible location for a centre of that size.

The racism card that gets “played” against anyone who objects to these things plays right into the hands of those making the money off them.

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

It’s a terrible system...
You’d have to wonder why we don’t have a “system” that takes 6 months to process and allows for appeal after appeal after appeal...

Exactly. If the system was reasonable, a potential refugee would have been accessed in few weeks and either sent back or given the status allowing him or her to work and to integrate into the society. Then there would be no need to have "centres" where people live with little rights for years.

the dark phantom wrote: »

Ireland is the perfect place for thousands of immigrants, The ignorance of most of its natives needs to be breed out anyway, An empty island that could provide sustenance for millions more people.

Define sustenance. Do the migrants feed off rushes or gorse flowers? More transfers from workers to non-workers perhaps? Not even Karl Marx proposed that kind of madness.

Why is Ireland perfect? Do we have a shortage of personnel to clean windscreens at traffic lights? Is there a gap in the cheap sunglasses market on O'Connell bridge?

What ignorance needs to bred out? What way does interbreeding with others from far away who bring nothing with them enlighten us? Stage is yours if you care to respond...