New York Giants Thread

KrustyUCC · 17-09-2019 10:01am

Jones won't be a panacea for this team but we need to see what he brings and let him make his mistakes

Lot different on NFL Sundays to preseason

Bad teams always find ways to lose and make bone headed plays

Our defence is conceding scores on long drives

The last TD drove me mental

After conceeding a long drive we hold them to a FG only for unnecessary roughness FFS

Rosas misses for the first time in ages

Bad play all round

wawaman · 17-09-2019 3:14pm

https://twitter.com/Giants/status/1173962105340551168?s=19

So here we go then!!!!

krustydoyle · 17-09-2019 3:17pm

Now it'll get interesting

KrustyUCC · 17-09-2019 3:25pm

Shurmur pulled the plug earlier than I expected but Eli's play wasn't good enough to keep him in his position

wawaman · 17-09-2019 3:48pm

I like Eli but a change had to be made. The browns went 0-16 in 2017 and still have a better record than the giants since 2017

tgdaly · 17-09-2019 4:20pm

Wow, that happened quicker than expected

Knex* · 17-09-2019 4:27pm

Excitement is back on the menu! (for one more week at least)

human 19 · 18-09-2019 11:25am

After the depression following the 1st game, and the acceptance after the 2nd game, now theres some excitement again. If Shepard and Latimer can get open down the field, this will hopefully open up the offensive playbook again. Plus he can also run which open up some more options.

Theres still a lot of work to be done on the field , but hopefully the Defence and the O-line can slowly improve over the course of the season

KrustyUCC · 18-09-2019 3:39pm

It's sad to think that the defence could get any worse but that's always possible

I think the Oline will be in for a tough day down in Tampa

Still good to see what Jones has even if it's just a flash here or there

One thing I hope is that he will protect the ball more than in the preseason with fumbles

wawaman · 23-09-2019 12:27am

Bettcher and jack rabbit the door is that way. In other news ........DJ!!!!!!!!!

Mokuba · 23-09-2019 12:34am

That game was one of the best I've ever watched. For the rookie qb that everyone had called a reach/bust and laughed at, to lead a huge comeback win on the road, unreal.

tgdaly · 23-09-2019 7:27am

Come on Danny Dimes, great start to his nfl career

KrustyUCC · 23-09-2019 9:46am

Great to get a win

In fairness Jones did very well

Thought it would be the usual story

We get a TD to go ahead, opposition march up the pitch and get a FG to win it

Can't remember the last time a team actually missed a game winner against us

Christ our D is still terrible though so it's still going to be a long year

Hopefully the injury to Saquon won't be too bad

boccy23 · 23-09-2019 9:58am

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Great to get a win

In fairness Jones did very well

Thought it would be the usual story

We get a TD to go ahead, opposition march up the pitch and get a FG to win it

Can't remember the last time a team actually missed a game winner against us

Christ our D is still terrible though so it's still going to be a long year

Hopefully the injury to Saquon won't be too bad

Totally agree with you. I said the same to the dog - TOO DAMN EARLY. (He didn't care). Only thing was that it was far too close. Normally teams make the 50 or 60 yard FGS to beat us.

Do you know the funny thing, I thought that with Connelly in there instead of Ogletree, we were better. They played press at least and I know that the Bucs went ultra conservative, but we at least got some pressure in the second half. Jackrabbit was cleaned out of it by Evans.

Our secondary tackling was decent though. Thomas made a great stop one on one to stop a 3rd down. And I thought that Peppers improved a good bit. Lawrence was also creating pressure.

On the other side though, our O-Line looked shaky as f***. Shaq Barrett had himself a day on Solder.

notobtuse · 23-09-2019 8:15pm

Barkley out 4-8 weeks with high ankle sprain. Probably the higher number being a RB. I don't expect to see him return until week 12. Injuries in the NFL this year to top players are rampant. It will hurt TV ratings, that's for sure.

KrustyUCC · 24-09-2019 9:54am

Big loss to us in fairness but no use getting him back too early

Let the man heal up

KrustyUCC · 29-09-2019 8:09pm

Jeez turnovers killing us

Can't fumble there Hilliman

KrustyUCC · 29-09-2019 8:31pm

Super pick 6

tgdaly · 29-09-2019 9:20pm

Another win for Danny Dimes

wawaman · 29-09-2019 9:41pm

Haven’t enjoyed a giants game like that since the redskins at MetLife last year!!

KrustyUCC · 30-09-2019 10:27am

Back to 2-2

Very strange game with so many turnovers on both sides

Danny Dimes mixed the very good along with some very poor decisions

That scramble on 3rd and 13 was a big play in the game

2 INTs and prob should have been more

He will learn from it going forward

Thought Gallman had a good game overall

D was much better yesterday but we have a bit of LB injury crisis at the moment

Vikings going to be a huge challenge on Sunday next

KrustyUCC · 06-10-2019 7:28pm

Jeez we're making Cousins look like Tom Brady

boccy23 · 07-10-2019 3:26pm

That was a bit of a reality check.

I didn't expect to win and easily proved correct! But I thought in the second half we moved the ball better. Gave it up on downs twice which was unfortunate. I thought that Shepherd could have made that play in the endzone.

But the D was porous to say the least. We could have 1 play or 2 plays which were good, but the next was a 20 odd yard screen. You could see that we have no LBs to speak of. Decimated at the second level.

We are simply not on the level of the Vikings from a total roster point of view. I would love to see us have two FA impact signing sin the off season like the Packers have done. We should have the cap space but I haven't looked yet and what talent will be available.

KrustyUCC · 11-10-2019 6:00pm

Thought the defence shower up bit more positively last night

Jones had a lovely TD but 3 INTs and it could have been more. Hopefully he will learn from it as the Pats D is excellent

4 turnovers would never be good enough in Foxboro

KrustyUCC · 20-10-2019 6:50pm

17-0 down at home at the moment

TDs where we can't even touch a Cardinal

Jones with bad pick

Horrible performance so far

KrustyUCC · 20-10-2019 6:57pm

17-7

Very nice throw Jones

krustydoyle · 20-10-2019 9:06pm

The OL got absolutely murdered today, 8 sacks on Jones

wawaman · 20-10-2019 9:06pm

Pat shurmur was not good enough for the Cleveland browns..
He is not good enough for the New York giants

Knex* · 20-10-2019 9:13pm

Agreed.

I don't even mind the draw play on 3rd and 18 when you know you are going for it on 4th and your OL isn't holding up. Get some yards and set yourself for 4th, but only getting 3 yards on the play was rough.

But his time management, game planning, and overall demeanour and personality is not suitable for the head coach role, unfortunately. Even more so when that role is in NY.

Gettleman needs to pull the plug on him come season end.

KrustyUCC · 20-10-2019 9:23pm

I think Bettcher will be fired before Shurmur

Those 3 running TDs of over 20 were horrible today

Jones turnovers def becoming a problem as well

Knex* · 20-10-2019 9:49pm

Bettcher defense when working, is quite good is the only thing. He's just quite slow at adapting his game plan, which is obviously an issue.

Shurmur I don't think can handle pressure, which is far from an ideal trait in a HC.

But yeah, not against both being gone come season end. Let the new HC pick their coordinators.

KrustyUCC · 21-10-2019 10:30am

Bettchers defence is more often than not broken these days

Heat def seems to be coming more on Shurmur esp his play calling

Giants’ Pat Shurmur must keep locker room together or else he could be on fast track to becoming Ben McAdoo 2.0

"Shurmur, who slipped to the tenth-losingest coach in NFL history on Sunday, is now 7-15 as the Giants head coach. The Giants are now 2-5 this season.

However, there are only so many times a head coach can stand in front of his team preaching progress and swearing the team is headed in the right direction when the results don’t match the narrative and his own decisions when it comes to clock management and in-game strategy at times defy logic.

https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/10/giants-pat-shurmurs-daunting-task-keeping-locker-room-together-or-else-he-could-be-on-fast-track-to-becoming-ben-mcadoo-20.html

He's already used his get out of jail free card by playing Jones (I don't have an issue with that)

His attitude with the media afterwards won't wash when you have won SFA

We have a tough upcoming schedule where we will prob lose @ Detroit, the Dallas Cowboys then getting the jets before the bye where we will prob be 2-8 or at best 3-7

Shurmur better had hope we see some progress with Jones as his faith will be tied to how Jones goes the rest of the year

KrustyUCC · 23-10-2019 12:38pm

Roster moves: New York Giants sign LB Deone Bucannon

The Giants add a player familiar with their defense

https://www.bigblueview.com/2019/10/22/20927500/2019-ny-giants-roster-moves-sign-lb-deone-bucannon-buccaneers-bettcher-news

Hopefully we might get the 2015-2017 Buchannon but I'd be sceptical of that

wawaman · 23-10-2019 2:12pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Roster moves: New York Giants sign LB Deone Bucannon

The Giants add a player familiar with their defense

https://www.bigblueview.com/2019/10/22/20927500/2019-ny-giants-roster-moves-sign-lb-deone-bucannon-buccaneers-bettcher-news

Hopefully we might get the 2015-2017 Buchannon but I'd be sceptical of that

Rumours that the Browns are interested in a trade for Solder aswell

KrustyUCC · 23-10-2019 2:15pm

He's not playing well but trading Solder is more likely to get Jones killed

Our backups are not good at all

It would want to be a hell of a trade from the Browns to let him go but Getty might have a different opinion

KrustyUCC · 23-10-2019 2:23pm

Interesting article from Sunday

About those 8 sacks: Let’s study what happened on each sack of Daniel Jones on Sunday

It’s time to play the blame game

https://www.bigblueview.com/2019/10/22/20926715/about-those-8-sacks-lets-study-what-happened-on-each-sack-of-daniel-jones-on-sunday

boccy23 · 27-10-2019 6:33pm

Christ, we’re awful. Jones has to be better.

wawaman · 28-10-2019 6:14pm

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001070767/article/trade-jets-sending-dl-leonard-williams-to-giants

boccy23 · 28-10-2019 7:08pm

8 game rental as it stands. Need to get him signed up long term.

KrustyUCC · 28-10-2019 8:22pm

Unless Getty can get him signed long term we got fleeced

High 3rd rounder plus a possible 4th

phatkev · 28-10-2019 8:47pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Unless Getty can get him signed long term we got fleeced

High 3rd rounder plus a possible 4th

As a Jets fan I'm delighted with that, he's been a massive disappointment imo. There was no way the Jets FO were going to resign him and I think they would have got 4th round comp for him, possibly a 3rd if they were lucky.

Knex* · 29-10-2019 11:24am

I'm a fan of getting the depth on that line, though. He's at least an average player and he's constantly double teamed on that Jets side. Will hold judgement until we see how things pan out between now and next offseason.

We'll get a comp 3rd for Collins I think, so we'll still have a 3rd round pick.

boccy23 · 29-10-2019 11:33am

Knex. wrote: »

I'm a fan of getting the depth on that line, though. He's at least an average player and he's constantly double teamed on that Jets side. Will hold judgement until we see how things pan out between now and next offseason.

We'll get a comp 3rd for Collins I think, so we'll still have a 3rd round pick.

All true. Only thing is our 3rd round pick for the Jets will be around late 60s whereas the comp pick will be around pick 100.

The trade itself is strange without a deal. With a mid tier deal, I think it’s worth the gamble. He was a no-miss player coming out of college. So a change of scenery could work. If BB did this deal for the Pats, we’d all say oh “typical Patriots way”.

phatkev · 29-10-2019 3:57pm

Knex. wrote: »

I'm a fan of getting the depth on that line, though. He's at least an average player and he's constantly double teamed on that Jets side. Will hold judgement until we see how things pan out between now and next offseason.

We'll get a comp 3rd for Collins I think, so we'll still have a 3rd round pick.

This a massive misconception, when you look at the rate at which interior d lineman are double teamed he's way down the list. I think motivation was definitely an issue for him so maybe a change up might do him good

Foxtrol · 29-10-2019 4:15pm

boccy23 wrote: »

All true. Only thing is our 3rd round pick for the Jets will be around late 60s whereas the comp pick will be around pick 100.

The trade itself is strange without a deal. With a mid tier deal, I think it’s worth the gamble. He was a no-miss player coming out of college. So a change of scenery could work. If BB did this deal for the Pats, we’d all say oh “typical Patriots way”.

But the Patriots work the comp picks based on mostly being a 'selling' team in FA, whereas the Giants will likely be 'buying' for the next few years.

I feel some team will offer decent money for him so the Giants will be left to potentially overpay him or else lose him and not get a comp pick back.

Knex* · 29-10-2019 4:25pm

phatkev wrote: »

This a massive misconception, when you look at the rate at which interior d lineman are double teamed he's way down the list. I think motivation was definitely an issue for him so maybe a change up might do him good

I thought I read that he was 7th? Either since he joined the league, or this year.

Spose for where he was taken you would still expect more, so definitely agree that he's been a relative disappointment. Interesting that you say it may be a motivation thing too. Not a great thing to hear, but from a Giants perspective it could mean that there's more of a chance that the talent is there to actually unlock.

We'll see anyway!

phatkev · 29-10-2019 4:34pm

Knex. wrote: »

I thought I read that he was 7th? Either since he joined the league, or this year.

Spose for where he was taken you would still expect more, so definitely agree that he's been a relative disappointment. Interesting that you say it may be a motivation thing too. Not a great thing to hear, but from a Giants perspective it could mean that there's more of a chance that the talent is there to actually unlock.

We'll see anyway!

If its not a motivation issue then it just means he really is sh1te!!

Having said that, watch him destroy the Jets oline in a few weeks!

KrustyUCC · 05-11-2019 1:47pm

Well that was another crap performance

So many mistakes and mess ups

Jones turnovers def becoming a worry at this stage

Baker looks lost. He even admitted after the game he doesn't know the play book well enough

Rest of season all about getting as high a draft pick as possible

Even though we will prob get some meaningless wins to mess that up

wawaman · 05-11-2019 2:25pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Well that was another crap performance

So many mistakes and mess ups

Jones turnovers def becoming a worry at this stage

Baker looks lost. He even admitted after the game he doesn't know the play book well enough

Rest of season all about getting as high a draft pick as possible

Even though we will prob get some meaningless wins to mess that up

I have no confidence in Gettleman, so does draft position make that much of a difference?

Bettcher and Shurmur should be on the hot seat regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season. The play calling on both sides of the ball is terrible. As is Shurmurs constant throwing the red flag for calls that never get overturned

KrustyUCC · 05-11-2019 2:39pm

True

Still the higher we pick the harder it should be for Gettleman to mess up

Only issue there is its also higher pick to the jets fir our third

Shurmur shouldn't survive. This team has made no progress this year and if anything we have gone backwards

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