2018 Leaf

BoatMad wrote: »

Had it confirmed by Nissan Ireland , 2018 leaf will debut with 40 kWh battery !

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liamog wrote: »

If they don't radically change the shape then we should probably expect an EPA range of around 155 miles or 250km.

Would this make buyers take the plunge?

Often you hear people mention 200 - 300 miles as what they'd need.

Price would be interesting. Any ideas?

liamog wrote: »

If they don't radically change the shape then we should probably expect an EPA range of around 155 miles or 250km.

If even that. 2016 30kWh has EPA range of 172km, if you stuck a 40kWh battery in it, that would be 229km. A tiny bit more than the 28kWh Ioniq. And of course if you drive it fast, range would shrink to ridiculously small figures.

In fairness, they are not the issue. The poor coefficient of drag of 0.32 is the problem. While not a bad figure at all really compared to most cars for sale even today, it's not great for an EV if you want to drive it over 90km/h

To compare, the 2 cars with the best coefficient of drag for sale in 2017 of all cars including all ICE cars, are the Tesla Model S and the Hyundai Ioniq (both 0.24). Both EVs. That's no coincidence. It's obvious that both Tesla and Hyundai are well aware of the great importance of aerodynamics in EVs.

That's the official figure, but we all know many car makers like to cheat. It tested as 0.32

Linky

unkel wrote: »

That's the official figure, but we all know many car makers like to cheat. It tested as 0.32

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I think that might be the biggest issue, from the link:

The large, boxy Leaf has a 7.8-square-foot drag area, the largest of any vehicle in the test.

If that's as good as it gets then feck off Nissan.

When the September reveal was confirmed the leaks all said real life 200 mile range.

It's not the size I'm saying feck off to, it's the range.

The 30kwh Leaf has what, 105-110 miles real life? To wait so long for the confirmation of Leaf II and then see that they're only adding 40-45 miles is a major disappointment.

If Hyundai can get similar range to the current Leaf with a smaller battery, including much better motorway range, then they could blow the new Leaf out of the water if/when they bring out a bigger battery model.

Of course this is currently speculation and Nissan may have dramatically improved the battery and the shape of the car, hence the "If" at the start of my previous post!

Deleted User wrote: »

You'd say ?

As always I'm just guessing, Mad_Lad. You know well that several times my guesses were subsequently proven to be in the ball park by real life figures from other sites.

BoatMad wrote: »

He also mentioned it will come with " unspecified " driver automation

It's coming with Gen.1 ProPilot which handles single-lane driving on motorways up to ~130km/h. The auto-steer needs to be nannied a bit, you've to pretty much keep a light touch on the wheel at all times.

It's no Autopilot... no lane-change functionality... doesn't keep to the center of the lane very well and it kinda feels less safe at higher speeds because of that.

As I understood it the original plan was to have a 30kWh, ~40kWh and 50kWh pack, coupled with better aerodynamics. That changed in early 2016... with plans for a lower spec EV slotting below the Leaf (most probably the Micra) due late this year. I'm still hearing a 60kWh class battery will top the range, but that's carrying the caveat that it may not launch with that size of pack.

grogi wrote: »

Slight change of the rear, make it more Priusish, and the drag drops radically...

Leaf is ugly as it is, if they don't hire Pontiac Aztec designer, it would take be any worse...

Add two extra seats. Make it a 7 seater.

Soarer wrote: »

So coming closer to the end of the year, what are the odds of getting a new current model 30kWh 6.6kW SVE Leaf for less than €20k including scrappage?

I know the range will be surpassed with the new model and it'll depreciate like lightning.
But if it suited the buyer.....

It needs to suit the seller as well.:D
It really depend on how they will approach it:
will it be like the computer hardware market where the next model destroys the existing stock values.
Getting an 8k discount on a 28k spend seems pretty aggressive, without knowing the price of the new models

I think the 2nd hand market will hold up well. You'll still have plenty of new people entering the EV market at price points that won't stretch to a new EV and there'll be limited supply given how few bought new.

BoatMad wrote: »

There's no way a 60 kWh battery could be supplied within the existing price point and that's the key issue for Nissan

This is it. Although how does Tesla do it with the 60kWh Model 3 that's also powerful and quick for $35k?

No, but likely to be about €39k (see the Tesla Model 3 thread), which in fairness is very cheap for what you get. But as BoatMad rightly pointed out, it's not in the same price range of €20k-€25k that Ioniq, Leaf and Zoe are. Pressure though on the likes of them to keep their prices down. Even a 40kWh Leaf should be well, well south of €30k...

Current Nissan pricing already doesn't make sense as the cheapest 30kWh Leaf with metallic paint and 6.6kW charger lists at €31k. Perhaps you'd get it for €25k cash, I don't know. If not, it's overpriced never even mind it's a very old model now and about to be replaced.

Looks like an older civic

That doesn't look very aerodynamic to me. And I doubt very much it will have a 60kWh battery, as the article seems to suggest. If it does, its price simply can't be competitive at the bottom end of the EV market.

We'll have to see.

If not, it can put those trash bags back on and go straight into the bin :pac:

Looks like ****e. Nissan pull the finger out there's money to be made.

No chance of seeing 60kwh on that regardless of which article you read. You can bookmark this post