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Had it confirmed by Nissan Ireland , 2018 leaf will debut with 40 kWh battery !

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DrPhilG

When the September reveal was confirmed the leaks all said real life 200 mile range.

It's not the size I'm saying feck off to, it's the range.

The 30kwh Leaf has what, 105-110 miles real life? To wait so long for the confirmation of Leaf II and then see that they're only adding 40-45 miles is a major disappointment.

If Hyundai can get similar range to the current Leaf with a smaller battery, including much better motorway range, then they could blow the new Leaf out of the water if/when they bring out a bigger battery model.

Of course this is currently speculation and Nissan may have dramatically improved the battery and the shape of the car, hence the "If" at the start of my previous post!

unkel

What do you mean, DrPhilG? You're disappointed it's "only" 40kWh? I feel that's a respectable enough capacity. You have to take into account the Leaf competes at the bottom of the market. What were you expecting, 60kWh?

Nissan (and all other EV manufacturers excluding Tesla and Hyundai) have to be aware though that the most important thing about EVs is coefficient of drag. Nothing else matters as much. Not for now anyway while battery capacity comes at a price.

DrPhilG

If that's as good as it gets then feck off Nissan.

unkel

Aye. I like to get on a bit. At 150km/h I'd say the range in the Ioniq is maybe something like 120-130km. In the Leaf (24kWh) it's probably no more than 40-50km, which in 2017 is shockingly bad.

grogi

unkel wrote: »

That's the official figure, but we all know many car makers like to cheat. It tested as 0.32

Linky

I think that might be the biggest issue, from the link:

The large, boxy Leaf has a 7.8-square-foot drag area, the largest of any vehicle in the test.

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NIMAN wrote: »

Would this make buyers take the plunge?

Often you hear people mention 200 - 300 miles as what they'd need.

Unlikely if it's only half that!

"range of around 155 miles"

unkel

That's the official figure, but we all know many car makers like to cheat. It tested as 0.32

Linky

grogi

unkel wrote: »

In fairness, they are not the issue. The poor coefficient of drag of 0.32 is the problem. While not a bad figure at all really compared to most cars for sale even today, it's not great for an EV if you want to drive it over 90km/h

To compare, the 2 cars with the best coefficient of drag for sale in 2017 of all cars including all ICE cars, are the Tesla Model S and the Hyundai Ioniq (both 0.24). Both EVs. That's no coincidence. It's obvious that both Tesla and Hyundai are well aware of the great importance of aerodynamics in EVs.

I'm reading the Leaf has the Cd of 0.29 (which is still huge - similar to Opel Calibra from late 80s)... Where did you get the 0.32 (which would be gigantic)?

unkel

In fairness, they are not the issue. The poor coefficient of drag of 0.32 is the problem. While not a bad figure at all really compared to most cars for sale even today, it's not great for an EV if you want to drive it over 90km/h

To compare, the 2 cars with the best coefficient of drag for sale in 2017 of all cars including all ICE cars, are the Tesla Model S and the Hyundai Ioniq (both 0.24). Both EVs. That's no coincidence. It's obvious that both Tesla and Hyundai are well aware of the great importance of aerodynamics in EVs.

Evd-Burner

I wonder will they make any more efficiencies in regard to the motor and drive train.

unkel

Price would be interesting. Any ideas?

liamog wrote: »

If they don't radically change the shape then we should probably expect an EPA range of around 155 miles or 250km.

If even that. 2016 30kWh has EPA range of 172km, if you stuck a 40kWh battery in it, that would be 229km. A tiny bit more than the 28kWh Ioniq. And of course if you drive it fast, range would shrink to ridiculously small figures.

grogi

liamog wrote: »

If they don't radically change the shape then we should probably expect an EPA range of around 155 miles or 250km.

Slight change of the rear, make it more Priusish, and the drag drops radically...

Leaf is ugly as it is, if they don't hire Pontiac Aztec designer, it would take be any worse...

NIMAN

liamog wrote: »

If they don't radically change the shape then we should probably expect an EPA range of around 155 miles or 250km.

Would this make buyers take the plunge?

Often you hear people mention 200 - 300 miles as what they'd need.

liamog

If they don't radically change the shape then we should probably expect an EPA range of around 155 miles or 250km.

Calahonda52

BoatMad wrote: »

Had it confirmed by Nissan Ireland , 2018 leaf will debut with 40 kWh battery !

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