Green List (Who will be on it?)

BringBackMick · 14-07-2020 4:52pm #1

With cabinet meeting later this week to decide the Greenlist, we can expect some leaks.

Who will be on it, do you expect any surprise omissions? Will we yellow GB for mandatory isolation or enable at airport testing?

Will it be a green, yellow and red list ?

And most importantly, will you be booking a flight to Green listed countries to escape the island for a few weeks?

The excitement is building

BringBackMick · 14-07-2020 4:59pm

I expect visitors from UK, Sweden, Croatia and Portugal to yellow listed along with all other international countries- this will mean quarantine or mandatory test.

All other EU+EEA nations to be on the green list (obviously including NI)

Language around travel to Green countries will be nuanced, something like 'All Travel, including travel to Green countries should be kept to a minimum'

spockety · 14-07-2020 6:06pm

Interestingly Leo started referring to it today as the 'A' list. So presumably we'll have A (no 14 day rule), B (14 day rule), and dare we dream, C (inward travel ban).

I can't see C happening, political hot potato in terms of our emigrants wanting to return home etc.

But yes I think they'll get rid of 'Green' as it has connotations with 'Go'. They still won't want to encourage anyone to go anywhere.

Beanybabog · 14-07-2020 6:34pm

This is another change of tone? I posted last week I heard someone on the radio, didn’t catch her name but a politician, saying there was always going to be an essential travel only advice and the green list wasn’t for non essential travel, and we misunderstood that - and today the indo reporting Leo says “holidaymakers” can travel to the green list?

spockety · 14-07-2020 6:39pm

They can advise against non essential travel, but not require a 14 day quarantine for some countries. They're not necessarily tied. It'd still mean people risking travel without insurance etc, but not stuck with isolating on return.

LilyShame · 14-07-2020 7:02pm

Yes... There is a change in tone via Leos comments today.... The a, b, lists is probably spot on with some carefully worded lines... But alas, do you think it will be list A for all eu?

BTW... Insurers cover for any policy taken out before the pandemic..for theft etc. Not covid

Ray Donovan · 14-07-2020 7:20pm

I presume there's no chance that if Spain is on the B list that the Canaries would be on the A list.....??

Dante7 · 14-07-2020 7:44pm

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I presume there's no chance that if Spain is on the B list that the Canaries would be on the A list.....??

Spain won't be on a B list. Their rolling 14 day average is similar to ours.

snor · 14-07-2020 7:49pm

What about countries outside the EU. Any hope they’re in the A/Green list. Thinking of Canada (If allowed in) where lots of Irish have family.

spockety · 14-07-2020 8:15pm

LilyShame wrote: »

Yes... There is a change in tone via Leos comments today.... The a, b, lists is probably spot on with some carefully worded lines... But alas, do you think it will be list A for all eu?

I think the A list will be almost all of the EU except maybe Sweden, Portugal and the UK. It's a political decision no matter what anyone says. It's different to saying all incoming travelers must do a 14 day isolation. Once you start proactively discriminating between EU member states on something like freedom of movement, politically you need to get it right. Otherwise you'll draw unwanted attention.

Stratvs · 14-07-2020 8:19pm

Part of the gov.ie full page in last Sunday’s Independent read as follows -

“The intention is that anyone travelling to Ireland from a Green list country will not be asked to restrict movement for 14 days. The advice for people living here is likely to remain unchanged: we are asked to forego all non-essential overseas travel until further notice.”

So in other words, give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free ...etc. Just don’t any of youz living here already dream of doing likewise.

LilyShame · 14-07-2020 8:21pm

That makes sense. Hopefully your right and there is some movement again. Wear our masks, stay distant, sterilise, live with it.

quote="spockety;114033180"]I think the A list will be almost all of the EU except maybe Sweden, Portugal and the UK. It's a political decision no matter what anyone says. It's different to saying all incoming travelers must do a 14 day isolation. Once you start proactively discriminating between EU member states on something like freedom of movement, politically you need to get it right. Otherwise you'll draw unwanted attention.[/quote]

BringBackMick · 14-07-2020 8:55pm

The PS/Civil Service have just sent out a notice regarding mandatory isolation on return from abroad and you must inform your employer and.

Do they have wind of the new advice or are just slow in disseminating the previous advice.

If it is new regarding what is to be released next week it is devastating for our freedoms and rights as members of the EU and surely a serious legal matter.

Dublin Mum · 14-07-2020 11:06pm

BringBackMick wrote: »

The PS/Civil Service have just sent out a notice regarding mandatory isolation on return from abroad and you must inform your employer and.

Do they have wind of the new advice or are just slow in disseminating the previous advice.

If it is new regarding what is to be released next week it is devastating for our freedoms and rights as members of the EU and surely a serious legal matter.

Slow in disseminating previous advice I’d wager.

gazzaman22 · 15-07-2020 8:56am

Watching this thread, we have 5 flights leaving Belfast sunday morning for Spain, still undecided whether to go or not, hotel is giving us the option of 24 hour notice to cancel,
If spain is not on the green or A list on Monday, and we go, technically at the minute when we return to Belfast 10 days later, am I right in thinking we dont need to quarantine? We live in ROI.

LilyShame · 15-07-2020 10:32am

Yes that's how I understand it...

You won't have to quarantine if coming in via Belfast...

Some views here and other threads that Spain and most eu will be A list..

gazzaman22 wrote: »

Watching this thread, we have 5 flights leaving Belfast sunday morning for Spain, still undecided whether to go or not, hotel is giving us the option of 24 hour notice to cancel,
If spain is not on the green or A list on Monday, and we go, technically at the minute when we return to Belfast 10 days later, am I right in thinking we dont need to quarantine? We live in ROI.

jonnny68 · 15-07-2020 2:03pm

ill be using Belfast myself to travel to Spain unless they do away with this outrageous self isolate nonsense.

Hellrazer · 15-07-2020 2:13pm

Knowing this useless government the list will be as follows

1. Chernobyl.
2. Fukushima
3.Kazakhstan
4.Turkmenistan
5.Syria
6.Iran
7.Iraq

Maybe Antarctica but that could be pushing it.

And thats it for the first list of Green countries.

gazzaman22 · 15-07-2020 2:42pm

LilyShame wrote: »

Yes that's how I understand it...

You won't have to quarantine if coming in via Belfast...

Some views here and other threads that Spain and most eu will be A list..

Originally this was not my reason for flying from belfast, it just so happened i live the same distance from Dublin and Belfast and flights were better times, thats the reason i booked months ago. 5 flights still going Sunday morning....what to do....we want to go but also want to responsible....heads melted....up till yesterday we wernt going but the weather has peeeed us right off

LilyShame · 15-07-2020 4:25pm

It's very unfair how government put a blame on ppl not to go, but I think that's settling now.. Maybe they did a red c poll and realised manipulation doesn't work with the voters!

Wear masks, don't let others guilt trip you and do what you gotta do. We have a long way to go with this new living, working and schooling at home, it's not going to be much different for quite some time, even next summer possibly

quote="gazzaman22;114041004"]Originally this was not my reason for flying from belfast, it just so happened i live the same distance from Dublin and Belfast and flights were better times, thats the reason i booked months ago. 5 flights still going Sunday morning....what to do....we want to go but also want to responsible....heads melted....up till yesterday we wernt going but the weather has peeeed us right off[/quote]

Limpy · 15-07-2020 4:36pm

How do you put the North (UK) on any list?

Ray Donovan · 15-07-2020 5:58pm

With the breaking news that the pubs won't open until August 10th is it possible there will be a delay to the publication of the Green List. Or a delay as to when you can travel to Green Listed countries?

Zonda999 · 15-07-2020 6:08pm

Hard to tell, they have only mentioned again and again now that it will be puclished on Monday next, as to when it would apply from was always up in the air. Simon Coveney was on Prime Time last night again said it would be published and sounded fairly positive about the Green List idea.

The diea of publishing a list on July 21st of a list of countries that are deemed safe to travel to then and does not apply immediately makes no sense to me, with this government, hard to tell really.

LilyShame · 15-07-2020 6:50pm

I think they will go ahead with the travel list... Lots of positive mood on our global Ireland position with apple, Brussels and IDA on news there tonight. They now seem to accept its the drinking with the young ones that's up ticking the numbers.

I remain very positive.... Fingers crossed.!!

LilyShame · 15-07-2020 7:05pm

Apologies.... I saw last correspondence outside leister House just now... and she was a bit ruffled but sounded like MM is meeting the North first before they release green list and possible delay.....

Limpy · 15-07-2020 7:12pm

LilyShame wrote: »

Apologies.... I saw last correspondence outside leister House just now... and she was a bit ruffled but sounded like MM is meeting the North first before they release green list and possible delay.....

Arlene has to agree, she has all the power.

15-07-2020 7:19pm

BringBackMick wrote: »

The PS/Civil Service have just sent out a notice regarding mandatory isolation on return from abroad and you must inform your employer and.

Do they have wind of the new advice or are just slow in disseminating the previous advice.

If it is new regarding what is to be released next week it is devastating for our freedoms and rights as members of the EU and surely a serious legal matter.

And it's already with the unions. Completely against your rights.

Ray Donovan · 15-07-2020 7:23pm

According to the Irish Examiner website the non - essential travel advice is to be extended which presumably kicks the announcement of the Green List down the road. Balls to it anyways

Minier81 · 15-07-2020 7:27pm

BringBackMick wrote: »

The PS/Civil Service have just sent out a notice regarding mandatory isolation on return from abroad and you must inform your employer and.

Do they have wind of the new advice or are just slow in disseminating the previous advice.

If it is new regarding what is to be released next week it is devastating for our freedoms and rights as members of the EU and surely a serious legal matter.

Old advice, we were notified of this in june.HR memo said to allow an extra 2 weeks annual leave if you plan to travel abroad.

Zonda999 · 15-07-2020 7:50pm

Ray Donovan wrote: »

According to the Irish Examiner website the non - essential travel advice is to be extended which presumably kicks the announcement of the Green List down the road. Balls to it anyways

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1283470866106458116

Seems to siggest there will still be a green list Monday.

seems at odds with what the public servants have been told but good news it would appear.

spockety · 15-07-2020 7:57pm

So it looks like the 14 day quarantine will be gone for green list countries, but the advice against non essential travel will remain. Classic. They are figuring that enough people will remain spooked by the guidance and lack of travel insurance etc to keep the numbers low.

xvril · 15-07-2020 7:59pm

I assumed anyone currently isolating that has returned from a country that appears on the green list can stop when it is announced?

Minier81 · 15-07-2020 8:01pm

xvril wrote: »

I assumed anyone currently isolating that has returned from a country that appears on the green list can stop when it is announced?

I would presume so too. Not sure how many of our traditional holiday spots will be on the green list though!

Ray Donovan · 15-07-2020 8:12pm

Could really do with some leak of the green list countries between now and next Monday when I'm supposed to fly!!

LilyShame · 15-07-2020 8:19pm

Well this is the thread to help you stay informed!!

Keep the information flowing!

quote="Ray Donovan;114044747"]Could really do with some leak of the green list countries between now and next Monday when I'm supposed to fly!![/quote]

xvril · 15-07-2020 8:23pm

I would be almost certain Greece will be on it. Handled covid very well, less than 4,000 cases since this all started. They test randomly on arrival as well.

Stratvs · 15-07-2020 8:33pm

spockety wrote: »

So it looks like the 14 day quarantine will be gone for green list countries, but the advice against non essential travel will remain. Classic. They are figuring that enough people will remain spooked by the guidance and lack of travel insurance etc to keep the numbers low.

So the guilt train continues to be rolled out.

Hellrazer · 15-07-2020 9:11pm

spockety wrote: »

Classic. They are figuring that enough people will remain spooked by the guidance and lack of travel insurance etc to keep the numbers low.

Multitrip have already confirmed to me in writing that I am covered if a country is on the green list--if it change to red while you are away you are still covered.

junebabies · 15-07-2020 9:21pm

Is the green list still going to be released this week despite phase 4 been pushed back??
Just curious, no intention of getting on a plane this year.

Limpy · 15-07-2020 9:24pm

xvril wrote: »

I would be almost certain Greece will be on it. Handled covid very well, less than 4,000 cases since this all started. They test randomly on arrival as well.

Considering every tom dixk and Harry tried to get in from Turkey also.Well done Greece.

spockety · 15-07-2020 9:24pm

Hellrazer wrote: »

Multitrip have already confirmed to me in writing that I am covered if a country is on the green list--if it change to red while you are away you are still covered.

I'll bet they weren't expecting a green list to also specify advice against traveling to the countries on it when they put that to you in writing!

Remember, the green list is all about the 14 day quarantine on arrival. The insurance companies don't care about that. DFA travel advice is what dictates their plans.

scrips · 16-07-2020 9:13am

gazzaman22 wrote: »

Originally this was not my reason for flying from belfast, it just so happened i live the same distance from Dublin and Belfast and flights were better times, thats the reason i booked months ago. 5 flights still going Sunday morning....what to do....we want to go but also want to responsible....heads melted....up till yesterday we wernt going but the weather has peeeed us right off

You seem to be in the lucky position of being able to go without being bound by any restrictions. (Although you might find your travel insurance isn't valid while away, if you have any.) Go, act responsibly while there, and limit your movements when you return, would be my advice.

SmithySeller · 16-07-2020 9:32am

spockety wrote: »

I'll bet they weren't expecting a green list to also specify advice against traveling to the countries on it when they put that to you in writing!

Remember, the green list is all about the 14 day quarantine on arrival. The insurance companies don't care about that. DFA travel advice is what dictates their plans.

Im guessing this too. Green list wont mean diddly (except quarantine lifted, and lifted for tourists coming in to Ireland to boot). Really the talk of it now just seems disingenuous given essential travelers are what exactly, Medics, Government Offcials etc.

gazzaman22 · 16-07-2020 11:17am

scrips wrote: »

You seem to be in the lucky position of being able to go without being bound by any restrictions. (Although you might find your travel insurance isn't valid while away, if you have any.) Go, act responsibly while there, and limit your movements when you return, would be my advice.

I let me travel insurance lapse 3 months ago(yearly) as we had no intentions of flying this year, if i do go should i get travel insurance again?#

munchkin_utd · 16-07-2020 12:18pm

Heres a map of Europe with the rates per 100k population over the past 7 days, as of yesterday.

Karte_Europa.png?__blob=normal&v=76

in the same bracket as Ireland is Denmark, Netherland, Germany, Italy, Greece, Slovakia, Hungary, Latvia, Luthuania, Estonia, Finland and Norway so they should be on the list to start with.

France / Spain / UK are another level up, so not desperate bad but slightly worse at the same time so whether they'll make it on a list is a good question.

johnire · 16-07-2020 4:15pm

There’s absolutely no way I would travel abroad without travel insurance. That’s my own personal opinion but I really do think it’s a massive risk to travel without it.

gazzaman22 wrote: »

I let me travel insurance lapse 3 months ago(yearly) as we had no intentions of flying this year, if i do go should i get travel insurance again?#

Limpy · 16-07-2020 4:38pm

johnire wrote: »

There’s absolutely no way I would travel abroad without travel insurance. That’s my own personal opinion but I really do think it’s a massive risk to travel without it.

If you or the kids have medical card's they can get the European medical card. So you will have access to public hospitals in Europe.

johnire · 16-07-2020 5:59pm

I agree with you but travel insurance doesn’t just cover for medical emergencies. The EHIC card only covers health care and it’s still not the end all and be all- that’s why it’s recommended to take out travel insurance as well.
Whatever about solo travellers I definitely think a family to travel without travel insurance is taking a big risk.

Limpy wrote: »

If you or the kids have medical card's they can get the European medical card. So you will have access to public hospitals in Europe.

Ray Donovan · 16-07-2020 6:42pm

Acting CMO in this evenings presser said the list of Green List countries would be quite small and would not contain a lot of the usual holiday destinations for Irish people.

For a person supposed to fly on Monday at lunchtime (e.g ME!!) all I want is some clarity. Typical cloak & daggers stuff. They know the countries now. It’s not like they’ll just meet on Monday to decide them.

gazzaman22 · 16-07-2020 6:45pm

munchkin_utd wrote: »

Heres a map of Europe with the rates per 100k population over the past 7 days, as of yesterday.

in the same bracket as Ireland is Denmark, Netherland, Germany, Italy, Greece, Slovakia, Hungary, Latvia, Luthuania, Estonia, Finland and Norway so they should be on the list to start with.

France / Spain / UK are another level up, so not desperate bad but slightly worse at the same time so whether they'll make it on a list is a good question.

Hi, munchkin
Where do you get this info from want to check it out over the next few days, thanks

LilyShame · 16-07-2020 6:46pm

Time to start guessing folks...

Will it be political... All eu?
Will Spain and France be off the list?
What about Greece??..
Could they completely throw a curve ball and open UK?

Green List (Who will be on it?)

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