Green List (Who will be on it?)

MickeyLeari

faceman wrote: »

I don’t see why ireland should be the benchmark or the minimum standard. Who’s to say a figure of 10 isn’t totally acceptable?

I am ok with that. Safe behaviour wherever one goes is what should be communicated on not where one goes.

ChelseaRentBoy

theblackstuff wrote: »

Just back from 9 days in IBIZA, 28 on plane out, 39 on plane back, Dublin, of which only 7 were Irish, rest Spanish and some English.

We were in north Ibiza, whole island is quiet, alot of big hotels not opening. Beaches quiet, mostly Spanish on them, asked apartment owner about this, he said they are mostly locals who are not working, from hotels and shops and just spending an hour or two on the beach with their family.

Mask wise, mandatory in shops, no mask no entry oh and you have to hand sanatise. Masks were mandatory on street since last Monday and from today cops can fine you 200 for not wearing one on street.

Alot not open, bars restaurants, small shops, but suited us. Still plenty of options avaiable. All outdoor aswell.

Back here went to Supervalu to restock, wore mask, was only about 4 other people there wearing them and no staff.

Im happy we went,

Sounds lovely. Going myself to Spain in a week can't wait.

ChelseaRentBoy

BringBackMick wrote: »

Italy going below Ireland per 100k has spooked them.

At this stage I wouldn't be surprised if there was no green list, but I sense Varadkar is very much behind the idea of a green list type solution so i think something will have to be published so as to not totally lose public trust.

FF trying to row in behind social media frenzy to demonize any people travelling.

There is a sense, oh if we stop travel until September, everything will be all rosey?

They are so out of touch with the reality.

I just hope the people throwing stones will remember what they were like when the covid situation is pretty much the same next June and they are planning their getaways.

This government is all over the place, a total shambles.

LilyShame

So when will green list be published.... Tomorrow?

mikekerry

Hard to know with this shower in charge, they probably have the list on a piece of paper, they just can't find it!
This shower have a chance of being the worst yet.

Hippo

LilyShame wrote: »

I was reading the Journal from yesterday and some journalist suggested canary Islands would be treated as its own entity... As per ecdc reporting. When you look at the link... Islands are separated out from Spain on the colour coded map under the league table....

They're classified as a region though, not as a country. They don't appear on the map only because the map doesn't extend that far.

DarHan84

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

A cynic might think that the optics of Micheál Martin returning from a non green listed country might be part of the reason for the delay.

This government are a dithering shambles

A realist might that that a Taoiseach would count as a key worker, and so it would be irrelevant whether or not it was a green country.

LilyShame

Today's ecdc stats have been updated... Malta, Cyprus and Greece remain low for cases per 100k

facehugger99

DarHan84 wrote: »

A realist might that that a Taoiseach would count as a key worker, and so it would be irrelevant whether or not it was a green country.

'key-worker'? - Is that one of those makey-up self-defined terms like 'essential travel'?

DarHan84

facehugger99 wrote: »

'key-worker'? - Is that one of those makey-up self-defined terms like 'essential travel'?

Probably. It's a list of people who don't need to isolate because their travel is deemed essential.
Currently includes certain political roles, hauliers, pilots etc.

I think the advice is fairly clear, dispute the other general muppetry of this gov, in that if your travel isn't essential (i.e. not a trip to the Algarve to sip cocktails at a marina), then it's pretty much done at your own risk (No travel insurance etc), and you'll also have to quarantine if it's from a country with higher incidence of Covid than here.

If you have to travel (i.e. for work), and it's to a "green country", then no quarantine.

People can't still travel if they want to, they just do so at their own risk. So no freedoms are being taken away really .

facehugger99

DarHan84 wrote: »

Probably. It's a list of people who don't need to isolate because their travel is deemed essential.
Currently includes certain political roles, hauliers, pilots etc.

I think the advice is fairly clear, dispute the other general muppetry of this gov, in that if your travel isn't essential (i.e. not a trip to the Algarve to sip cocktails at a marina), then it's pretty much done at your own risk (No travel insurance etc), and you'll also have to quarantine if it's from a country with higher incidence of Covid than here.

If you have to travel (i.e. for work), and it's to a "green country", then no quarantine.

People can't still travel if they want to, they just do so at their own risk. So no freedoms are being taken away really .

You don't have to quarantine though do you? Despite what the government would like you to believe.

You are only advised to restrict your movements.

Also, the insurance issue is a red-herring - the EHIC is all you need for EU travelling - why anyone would bother with insurance on top of this baffles me.

skallywag

facehugger99 wrote: »

You don't have to quarantine though do you? Despite what the government would like you to believe.

This is also not clear for me. Is there a legal requirement to do so or not?

stargazer 68

skallywag wrote: »

This is also not clear for me. Is there a legal requirement to do so or not?

No there is no legal requirement.

johnire

The EHIC card only gives you protection for health issues and then I think only to a certain point. For instance it doesn’t cover repatriation back to your home country.
Travel insurance gives you protection against all the others things that may happen on a trip-cancellation,damaged or stolen baggage etc etc.
Travelling without it is a huge risk. I had to cut a trip short once and fly home because of a family illness. It involved a huge amount of extra expenses which was completely covered by my insurance company.

facehugger99 wrote: »

You don't have to quarantine though do you? Despite what the government would like you to believe.

You are only advised to restrict your movements.

Also, the insurance issue is a red-herring - the EHIC is all you need for EU travelling - why anyone would bother with insurance on top of this baffles me.

DarHan84

facehugger99 wrote: »

You don't have to quarantine though do you? Despite what the government would like you to believe.

You are only advised to restrict your movements.

Also, the insurance issue is a red-herring - the EHIC is all you need for EU travelling - why anyone would bother with insurance on top of this baffles me.

So the government is literally not taking away any freedoms, is that your argument?

PS
EHIC doesn't cover loss of bags, theft etc, doesn't cover private medical care, doesn't cover new flights if you miss a flight due to being hospitalised etc. For the €40 per year I pay in travel insurance, it's worth it.

facehugger99

DarHan84 wrote: »

So the government is literally not taking away any freedoms, is that your argument?

PS
EHIC doesn't cover loss of bags, theft etc, doesn't cover private medical care, doesn't cover new flights if you miss a flight due to being hospitalised etc. For the €40 per year I pay in travel insurance, it's worth it.

Simply correcting your misinformation - you're welcome.



You go ahead and buy all the extra insurance you think you need.

DarHan84

facehugger99 wrote: »

Simply correcting your misinformation - you're welcome.

You go ahead and buy all the extra insurance you think you need.

Thanks for correcting me, l appreciate a specialist in misinformation getting involved.

I will continue to buy travel insurance, thanks for giving me permission. You've clearly never had anything stolen on holidays, or had a child hospitalised. Comes in very handy, and saved us a fortune.

LilyShame

If you bought insurance before the pandemic started here, you are still covered even with the dfa advisory. However you are not covered for covid, but you are covered for all else.

One large travel operator is how suggesting they will offer those booked to travel, a special covid insurance, for free....

Beanybabog

Does anyone know if health insurance would be invalidated also, for cover aboard? And car insurance??

facehugger99

DarHan84 wrote: »

Thanks for correcting me, l appreciate a specialist in misinformation getting involved.

I will continue to buy travel insurance, thanks for giving me permission. You've clearly never had anything stolen on holidays, or had a child hospitalised. Comes in very handy, and saved us a fortune.

You were wrong - you got picked up on it.

Build a bridge and get over it - no need for the hissy-fit.

ChelseaRentBoy

facehugger99 wrote: »

You don't have to quarantine though do you? Despite what the government would like you to believe.

You are only advised to restrict your movements.

Also, the insurance issue is a red-herring - the EHIC is all you need for EU travelling - why anyone would bother with insurance on top of this baffles me.

Been travelling in Europe for years and i never get insurance. Like you say the EHIC card is all you need and if anything happened to you the level of treatment would be the same for one's self as a citizen of that country.

VG31

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Been travelling in Europe for years and i never get insurance. Like you say the EHIC card is all you need and if anything happened to you the level of treatment would be the same for one's self as a citizen of that country.

The only other things travel insurance would cover would be if you're belongings were stolen or you missed your flight due to hospitalisation, bus/train breakdown, traffic incident etc.

Presumably most people don't have travel insurance for holidays in Ireland so if something was stolen from you here there wouldn't be much you could do about it.

facehugger99

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Been travelling in Europe for years and i never get insurance. Like you say the EHIC card is all you need and if anything happened to you the level of treatment would be the same for one's self as a citizen of that country.

It's an ironic microcosm of the Covid-19 issue - risk-adverse people who want to feel safe.

MickeyLeari

Interesting when Arlene Foster is the adult in the room:

"It's not up to me to tell people should they go or should they not go," Ms Foster said when asked about the issue on a visit to Galgorm hotel in Ballymena.

"If they have booked a holiday and they (the destination) are on the green or amber list then they can go without having to quarantine when they come back.

"Whether they go or not is entirely a matter for their own judgement."

Caranica

DarHan84 wrote: »

A realist might that that a Taoiseach would count as a key worker, and so it would be irrelevant whether or not it was a green country.

Confirmed that he will access rapid testing on return to Ireland. Heard on the radio this afternoon

Batesout

We do everything in this country backwards.
Over 4 months since the lockdown but not even temperature checking at the airport.
Fill out a form,jesus wept.

scrips

LilyShame wrote: »

If you bought insurance before the pandemic started here, you are still covered even with the dfa advisory. However you are not covered for covid, but you are covered for all else.
.

Not entirely the case, LilyShame. I bought insurance before the pandemic and it excludes claims relating to travel in a country which travel is advised against. It's in many insurance policies as it normally relates to travel in war-torn or similarly risky counties.

Limpy

Mehole is waiting for Arlene to approve what ever plan has. Because she is the key to plan working. The question is what does Arlene get in return? We know we got a sound bite from MM saying there'll be no border poll, to keep her sweet.

munchkin_utd

Limpy wrote: »

Mehole is waiting for Arlene to approve what ever plan has. Because she is the key to plan working. The question is what does Arlene get in return? We know we got a sound bite from MM saying there'll be no border poll, to keep her sweet.

what class of parallel universe are you all in? Its as bad as "the experts" who somehow forget that the north is a divided community where one side VERY VERY much feels part of the UK , and are of no mind to throw its lot in with the 26 counties.

Arlene will not agree to quarantine for people arriving into northern ireland from the rest of the UK, period. Its not going to happen.
She already got a knockback with the Boris implementing a customs border on the irish sea that she couldnt veto, but she is not going to implement a border between her people and "the mainland" when she and the DUP have a veto on that.

DarHan84

facehugger99 wrote: »

You were wrong - you got picked up on it.

Build a bridge and get over it - no need for the hissy-fit.

Sure thing, thanks for the advice. X

endofrainbow

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Well no. US bans EU passport holders. But the flights will continue as they are carrying cargo.

No ban on EU passport holders - it's where you're flying FROM that's the determining factor.

IE. If a EU passport holder were to fly from a *safe* country to the US, there would not be a problem

LilyShame

So am I right in picking up on the change of language used by minister this evening...

Restricting your movements.. As opposed to quarantine

And

Essential travel includes going to see a relative who's maybe sick... travelling home as a citizen, for example?

Sure travelling home as Irish citizen is all of us Irish passport holders right?

Noted also re travel insurance.. I know my insurer tells me I'm still covered due to date of purchase.. But not the same for everyone dependent on policy.

Interested in seeing tomorrow ecdc data...

The saga continues!

Limpy

munchkin_utd wrote: »

what class of parallel universe are you all in? Its as bad as "the experts" who somehow forget that the north is a divided community where one side VERY VERY much feels part of the UK , and are of no mind to throw its lot in with the 26 counties.

Arlene will not agree to quarantine for people arriving into northern ireland from the rest of the UK, period. Its not going to happen.
She already got a knockback with the Boris implementing a customs border on the irish sea that she couldnt veto, but she is not going to implement a border between her people and "the mainland" when she and the DUP have a veto on that.

I never said she would put a border in place?
Ireland can't have a policy that excludes the UK. So anything implemented will have to get the North to buy onto it.

MickeyLeari

endofrainbow wrote: »

No ban on EU passport holders - it's where you're flying FROM that's the determining factor.

IE. If a EU passport holder were to fly from a *safe* country to the US, there would not be a problem

Thanks. I did not know that. Can I fly to a US safe destination and then into the US is it ok?

BringBackMick

Am i being completely nuts or did they delay this because Greece and Italy are likely going to move ahead of us in the table tomorrow after the data from today is updated!

You wouldn't put it past this shower of chancers tbh.

The_Brood

BringBackMick wrote: »

Am i being completely nuts or did they delay this because Greece and Italy are likely going to move ahead of us in the table tomorrow after the data from today is updated!

You wouldn't put it past this shower of chancers tbh.

If they are changing based on that then get ready for a new 'green list' every day because the numbers and rankings change big time all the time.

This whole thing is just a joke and no one is holding them responsible.

spurious

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Been travelling in Europe for years and i never get insurance. Like you say the EHIC card is all you need and if anything happened to you the level of treatment would be the same for one's self as a citizen of that country.

Let's hope you don't need to be airlifted home at any stage, or be so sick that a family member needs to get accommodation to stay with you. Plus hope you get better in time to use your original flight home.

For the small cost of an annual policy, there really is no excuse. The whole point is that it is for the unexpected.

munchkin_utd

more ominous stirrings from the deep south

'Green list' should only include countries trying to get Covid-19 rate to zero, says health expert

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40019063.html

yet more space-cadet-ism from a southern based "expert".

For Ireland (the 26 counties) to go "covid free" or to create a barrier to travel to places like England, Northern Ireland will remain a back door, rendering this absolutism doomed to failure.
You wither need to seal the 100s of crossings on the land border to northern ireland in these months running up to the final brexit deal where we are looking to craft arrangements to keep an open border on the island OR get the unionists up the north to implement a quarantine between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK

You'd swear Michael collins never signed the treaty to split the island and leave the 6 counties as an integral part of the Uk, but maybe that news hasnt reached Cork yet ?

faceman

DarHan84 wrote: »

So the government is literally not taking away any freedoms, is that your argument?

PS
EHIC doesn't cover loss of bags, theft etc, doesn't cover private medical care, doesn't cover new flights if you miss a flight due to being hospitalised etc. For the €40 per year I pay in travel insurance, it's worth it.

The travel insurance argument is somewhat of a red herring for EU travel. Tbf most EU countries, bar Ireland, have great public health systems covered by EHIC so private cover isn’t a big deal. However I always tell non Irish friends visiting Ireland to make sure they have travel insurance because our health system is atrocious.

Given how often people claim off travel insurance too, it’s very much a low risk thing however.

The EU passenger rights for flights covers the mishaps relating to flights. Not as swift and juicy as travel insurance but it’s there none the less.

As for theft etc, it’s the no bigger a risk than being at home. People don’t have travel insurance for staycations

Travel insurance claims are low risk. Straw poll among friends would suggest very few have claimed off it. That being said it’s cheap enough in normal times

DarHan84

BringBackMick wrote: »

Am i being completely nuts or did they delay this because Greece and Italy are likely going to move ahead of us in the table tomorrow after the data from today is updated!

You wouldn't put it past this shower of chancers tbh.

The former.

faceman

faceman wrote: »

The travel insurance argument is somewhat of a red herring for EU travel. Tbf most EU countries, bar Ireland, have great public health systems covered by EHIC so private cover isn’t a big deal. However I always tell non Irish friends visiting Ireland to make sure they have travel insurance because our health system is atrocious.

Given how often people claim off travel insurance too, it’s very much a low risk thing however.

The EU passenger rights for flights covers the mishaps relating to flights. Not as swift and juicy as travel insurance but it’s there none the less.

As for theft etc, it’s the no bigger a risk than being at home. People don’t have travel insurance for staycations

Travel insurance claims are low risk. Straw poll among friends would suggest very few have claimed off it. That being said it’s cheap enough in normal times

Thats unfair. The system in Ireland is not attrocious, its far from it. You get brought in, you get seen, you get treated. Whats attrocious about it? Do they leave you to die on the side of the road? Very unfair comment. Especially as I douobt you have experienced every single EU system personally. Ireland actually scores only slightly lower than Spain in the EU index (20th V 22nd) and its waiting times that hurts the irish system so badly with Pharmaceutical care, information and after treatment / outcome rating in the top half.

I love the Spanish system in my area, dont get me wrong. It is superior to the Irish but its not perfect and its certainly not that far ahead to make such a claim. theres issues and in some areas tourists are not cared for to the same standard as locals / residents. Again I have seen that first hand.

Batesout

I rang my travel insurance company, Chill, to enquire what was the situation of travelling abroad regardless of the Green list.
They said we were covered as normal except for contracting Covid19.

jonnny68

It would be funny if it wasn't so serious the way they are acting here, keep delaying publishing a green list, they'll eventually have to publish it but then turn around and advise against travel, id actually feel safer in a country with low covid rates than in a busy Irish resort

RoryMac

jonnny68 wrote: »

It would be funny if it wasn't so serious the way they are acting here, keep delaying publishing a green list, they'll eventually have to publish it but then turn around and advise against travel, id actually feel safer in a country with low covid rates than in a busy Irish resort

They're relying on peer pressure and scaremongering to stop people from travelling but to give them credit it is working exactly as they hoped.

The idea of publishing a 'green list' with advice that only essential travel should be taken is crazy when pretty much the rest of Europe is allowing travel with proper checks at airports.

stargazer 68

jonnny68 wrote: »

It would be funny if it wasn't so serious the way they are acting here, keep delaying publishing a green list, they'll eventually have to publish it but then turn around and advise against travel, id actually feel safer in a country with low covid rates than in a busy Irish resort

And that's what they are going to do IMO. It will still be no non-essential travel. Well sod that!

JuanJose

RoryMac wrote: »

The idea of publishing a 'green list' with advice that only essential travel should be taken is crazy when pretty much the rest of Europe is allowing travel with proper checks at airports.

The airport checks appear so hit & miss, depending on the country, it's not funny. Airports in the Canaries seem to have dropped the temperature checks on arrivals completely while the regional government is still awaiting the green light from central government in Madrid to carry out random tests on tourists arriving.

Irish Kev

Batesout wrote: »

I rang my travel insurance company, Chill, to enquire what was the situation of travelling abroad regardless of the Green list.
They said we were covered as normal except for contracting Covid19.

I contacted Laya, there is no coverage even if a country was on a green list as long as its non-essential per DFA
So they will pay up on lost flights/hotel fees

DarHan84

Irish Kev wrote: »

I contacted Laya, there is no coverage even if a country was on a green list as long as its non-essential per DFA
So they will pay up on lost flights/hotel fees

So essentially they won't cover you if you're abroad, but they will cover the cost of your flights?

If so, that's better than I certainly would have expected.

Irish Kev

DarHan84 wrote: »

So essentially they won't cover you if you're abroad, but they will cover the cost of your flights?

If so, that's better than I certainly would have expected.

Well they cant say you are not covered and we are not covering expenses of lost flights/hotels. That would be playing both sides. If they had tried that my next option was for a refund as I no longer need travel insurance.



Wish now I had Chill

RoryMac

According to the RTE news app less than 12 countries to make it onto the green list!