The Future of Longwave 252kHz (RTE Radio 1)

Logue no2 · 25-09-2016 1:04am

Graham wrote: »

I don't doubt that you are right, it's just unfortunate that nowhere near enough of those 'hundreds of thousands' listen to RTE LW in the volumes required to make it commercially viable/sustainable.

Following on from your "commercially justifiable" demand, perhaps you could ask RTÉ how much it costs them to transmit the several hidden testcard channels on Saorview. The current Saorview service could be easily transmitted on one Multiplex rather than two, saving far more than the cost of LW or those taxis. Furthermore how much does the RTÉ DAB service cost to transmit to one portion of the country and how many listeners does it have? Far less than LW and a far smaller impact I'll guess.

Logue no2 · 25-09-2016 1:08am

Graham wrote: »

I don't doubt that you are right, it's just unfortunate that nowhere near enough of those 'hundreds of thousands' listen to RTE LW in the volumes required to make it commercially viable/sustainable.

Oh and while I'm at it. Saorsat. Developed by RTÉ at great expense to explicitly stop people like me watching free to air satellite tv from Ireland. Viewership said to be in the low hundreds. Should RTÉ bin that?

Graham · 25-09-2016 1:17am

OK, take a step back for a minute.

I'm assuming this thread is an attempt to drum up support for the campaign to retain the LW broadcast. A decision that by all accounts has already been made.

Now, I can understand completely why anyone that currently avails of the LW service is going to be peeved at its loss. Particularly those few people that have no other means to access the RTE broadcasts. I can absolutely understand why there's a campaign to retain the service and for what it's worth, I wouldn't begrudge the quarter of a million a year it costs to keep it running.

But, and this is the big but. My ambivalence is not going to help the campaign and from the looks of this thread the campaign has garnered practically zero additional support. Arguing the broadcasting act is doing zilch to help. Telling me you prefer to listen on the radio to save 0.001kw of energy does nothing. Debating the merits of DAB, nada. Saorsat, taxi-fares, nope, nothing.

So with all that out of the way, how are you going to persuade people to support the campaign to keep LW? This approach isn't it.

lertsnim · 25-09-2016 1:27am

Logue no2 wrote: »

Oh and while I'm at it. Saorsat. Developed by RTÉ at great expense to explicitly stop people like me watching free to air satellite tv from Ireland. Viewership said to be in the low hundreds. Should RTÉ bin that?

Saorsat services licence fee payers in areas not covered by Saorview. It is a cheaper alternative to new transmitters in those areas. Of course you already know that. But let's ignore that so you can rant about RTÉ not providing you with a FTA television service in a foreign country. I know you are well aware how much that would cost.
What FTA services from Ireland did Saorsat stop you watching?

Banjoxed · 25-09-2016 1:47am

lertsnim wrote: »

Saorsat services licence fee payers in areas not covered by Saorview. It is a cheaper alternative to new transmitters in those areas. Of course you already know that. But let's ignore that so you can rant about RTÉ not providing you with a FTA television service in a foreign country. I know you are well aware how much that would cost.
What FTA services from Ireland did Saorsat stop you watching?

So, reinventing the DSAT wheel with Saorsat, hidden testcard channels for no discernible reason on Saorview and double the LW bill on taxis alone are fine, but LW isn't. Fascinating.

marno21 · 25-09-2016 2:53am

my3cents,

Where do you live to say you have poor RTE FM reception?

Fuzzy Clam · 25-09-2016 8:25am

Logue no2 wrote: »

Ok. I'm going to explain this as clearly as possible without getting too technical, as I suspect you don't have a huge knowledge of how radio signals are generated and the properties of the various broadcast bands.

Firstly it is impossible to replace 252 with either a single FM or DAB transmitter. VHF Band 2 (FM) and VHF Band 3 (DAB) generally don't travel much more than 100 miles from their transmission sites due to the fact that the Ionosphere above the earth does not refract (bounce) these signals. Therefore it would be technically impossible to broadcast a single FM or DAB station from Ireland that could be reliably received in the whole of Britain. Of course there is the issue of Sporadic E and tropospheric ducting that extends reception at times of high weather pressure but these are not frequent occurrences so to build such a transmitter would be technically impossible. Ask your friendly local radio experimenter!

On the other hand, signals in the AM broadcast bands can bounce off the ionosphere at night and reception is extended. You asked why I claimed Radio 1 was weaker at night. Here's why.

RTÉ and Atlantic before them always reduced the transmitter power at night. This was a licencing requirement in order to reduce interference to Radio Algeria Chaine 3, also broadcasting on 252. Originally Algeria used 500kw of power but now uses 1500kw in the daytime and 750kw at night.

RTÉ Radio 1 was broadcast at 300kw in the daytime and 150kw at night. This meant for me in London that Algeria used to blot out RTÉ at nighttimes. That was when the signal from RTÉ was at full power. What I found with the DRM signals from RTÉ was that although Algeria was quite audible on analogue AM, the RTÉ DRM signal could still break through.

The RTÉ DRM tests went out at different times. I did get good daytime reception as well and even on the Morphy Richards DAB portable, which was notoriously difficult to feed with a good enough signal.

Of course RTÉ have been broadcasting to Britain since 1926, and especially so since 1932 when the famous Athlone station came on the air. 252 only carried Radio 1 after Atlantic and TeamTalk radio closed, and once 252 was established the 531m frequency from Tullamore (successor to Athlone) was closed.

Banjoxed suggests Radio 1 could be on UK DAB. That would be nice but as we have seen from the Manchester Debacle RTÉ seem to struggle to get the UK regulators to allow them on the air in such a relatively small way. Imagine the difficulties if not impossibilities of getting RTÉ on national UK DAB.

It's far better for RTÉ to control their own broadcasts. They hold a licence to broadcast Radio 1 on 252 at 300kw daytime and 150kw at night. It's technically possible for a DRM and analogue signal to go out at the same time too.

Fuzzy Clam you seem interested in Radio, can I make a friendly suggestion to find out where your local radio club is and take out an Amateur Radio licence. You will make many new friends and will gain a clear understanding how radio works.

You won't regret it!

This post is brilliant!!!
The perfect example of somebody who is an radio amateur but who has no knowledge at all.
Your understanding of the English language is even poorer. No-on has suggested that a single FM or DAB signal will replace a LW into Britain.

If you don't even understand the basics of the argument here, there's little point in you even commenting.

Oh, and if you ever want a lesson on how radio waves and transmitters work, I'll be glad toi give you one, as you you don't seem to know anything about them.

I presume you're a person who has an interest in radio but didn't knew enough about it to get a job in it. Bless you. Still, you seem to know about the history of it, just not about how it works.
There's room for people like you I suppose.

Fuzzy Clam · 25-09-2016 8:29am

Stasi 2.0 wrote: »

What's RTE FM coverage like in London

RTE don't have to broadcast to London on FM.

Fuzzy Clam · 25-09-2016 8:38am

end of the road wrote: »

debunking your "it is what it is because i said so" posts isn't trolling i'm afraid.

LOL. You didn't "debunk me".
You joined a thread simply to repeat somebody else's question. A question that is irrelevant. You have made no other input into the discussion. Your a troll.
Now go away.

Nonoperational · 25-09-2016 8:49am

Mind blowing 14 pages. LW is done. Get the internet.

Fuzzy Clam · 25-09-2016 8:52am

Logue no2 wrote: »

Oh and while I'm at it. Saorsat. Developed by RTÉ at great expense to explicitly stop people like me watching free to air satellite tv from Ireland. Viewership said to be in the low hundreds. Should RTÉ bin that?

OK........
Saorsat was developed to stop people "like you" watching RTE.
This thread gets funnier with every post.
You're a clown.

25-09-2016 8:58am

Nonoperational wrote: »

Mind blowing 14 pages. LW is done. Get the internet.

So is the OP!

The arguments for keeping LW252 are very weak. The number of people in Ireland availing of the service makes it nonviable.

People who emigrate for whatever reason need to immerse themselves in their new homes and cultures and stop looking over their shoulders at the ould sod. I'm sure they have phones, Skype and Facetime to keep in touch with family.

my3cents · 25-09-2016 9:37am

marno21 wrote: »

my3cents,

Where do you live to say you have poor RTE FM reception?

Middle of Waterford on the coast. Stuck in the bottom of a valley, no mbb, no fixed line broadband, no terrestrial TV and no LOS to any of the local WiFi providers. I can get RTE on FM if I make more effort than I can be bothered with but not on the main radio in its usual position in the kitchen. LW works with just the usual tuning and (traditional) turn of the radio to align the internal ferrite rod antenna.

Connect here via a convoluted system of mbb and a WiFi link and get TV via satellite.

I'd be a bit old fashioned about LW on the bases for me its been a service that has always just worked. Sunday while typing this I can hear LW 252 in the background - sounds like bagpipes.

Banjoxed · 25-09-2016 9:47am

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

OK........
Saorsat was developed to stop people "like you" watching RTE.
This thread gets funnier with every post.
You're a clown.

Funny, RTE's technical people could have achieved that objective with a FTV card on the existing Sky system. But they really had to design something entirely new to achieve exactly the same result!

And yet, you seem really angry that a system that requires no cost to the user to receive continues. It's alright, it seems, for RTÉ to spaff money reinventing the wheel, but alright to have an existing audience cut adrift without having to invest money they don't necessarily have. Funny that.

hytrogen · 25-09-2016 9:51am

savertelw252 wrote:

Longwave is amazing good value for money but RTE pretend it's some sort of severe burden. What about the real waste in RTE? Some years ago, (around the same time that MW 567 & 729 were closed down) they spent millions of Euros to recruit Colin Hayes from the independent radio sector, Mr Hayes never had any impact on ratings for them but what do they do in the weeks after they announce the closure of lw in 2014? They repeat the exact mistakes of the past by spending millions of euros to recruit Ray D'Arcy who like Colin Hayes has gone on to have no impact on ratings

Please campaign for this audit rather than lw252 & elderly

Fuzzy Clam · 25-09-2016 10:09am

hytrogen wrote:

I say let them lose lw252 & bring back radio caroline, that's the only reason they plugged 252 to drown out the non-conforming alternative revolution for so long. Bloody Angeles drowning out the 6o'clock rock report too!

Radio Caroline are still on, sort of. Tune in to 1368 KHz this weekend.

Alun · 25-09-2016 10:16am

my3cents wrote: »

I don't want to be running a computer and sound system to listen to the RADIO and I really don't want to be listening to the RADIO on a mobile phone with a earphone stuck in my ear I just want to listen to it on a RADIO.

If only someone would invent a radio that you could connect to the internet, they could call it an "Internet Radio", they'd make their fortune ... oh, wait ...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Internet-Radios/b?ie=UTF8&node=310195011

Fuzzy Clam · 25-09-2016 10:17am

Banjoxed wrote: »

And yet, you seem really angry that a system that requires no cost to the user to receive continues.

I'm angry???
Show me any post I've made that indicates I'm angry. EDIT. Oh. Ive just reread your post......I'm apparently really angry :-)

As I said, this thread gets funnier with each post.

Oh, and are you going to supply us with the listenership figures and cost of the RTE DAB transmitters?
I'm only asking because you seem to think it's relevant to the thread and End of the road wants to know.

Fuzzy Clam · 25-09-2016 10:21am

Banjoxed wrote: »

Funny, RTE's technical people could have achieved that objective with a FTV card on the existing Sky system. But they really had to design something entirely new to achieve exactly the same result!

Is that right?

RTE designed it........OK!

lertsnim · 25-09-2016 11:36am

Banjoxed wrote: »

So, reinventing the DSAT wheel with Saorsat, hidden testcard channels for no discernible reason on Saorview and double the LW bill on taxis alone are fine, but LW isn't. Fascinating.

What DSAT wheel was reinvented? LW is obsolete. Time for you all to move on and stop using old people as a stick to beat your drum.

Banjoxed wrote: »

Funny, RTE's technical people could have achieved that objective with a FTV card on the existing Sky system. But they really had to design something entirely new to achieve exactly the same result!

Do you know how much a FTV card scheme would cost? Clearly not.

ED E · 25-09-2016 1:03pm

Logue no2 wrote: »

But Internet radio isn't free radio in the sense that it costs nothing to receive provided you have to right equipment. Many people have capped Internet services, especially mobile and a couple of hours of Internet Radio will soon chew up that cap.

Bull****.

54MB /Hr approx at full quality. Lowest monthly cap nowadays is a 2GB phone package, thats 37Hrs but realistically nobody has that now and most people are at 30GB or above so thats 555Hrs per month.

Stasi 2.0 · 25-09-2016 5:58pm

ED E wrote: »

Lowest monthly cap nowadays is a 2GB phone package.

o2 (UK) phone packages start at 100Meg per month (0.1 GB)

my3cents · 25-09-2016 6:55pm

ED E wrote: »

Bull****.

54MB /Hr approx at full quality. Lowest monthly cap nowadays is a 2GB phone package, thats 37Hrs but realistically nobody has that now and most people are at 30GB or above so thats 555Hrs per month.

Thanks for doing the maths but the point of a radio is you don't need to do it in the first place.

We have LW on 24/7 on at least one radio, we don't switch it off just turn it down minimum it would be turned up from 6am till midnight. Why on earth would I want to pay for and use in excess of 30GB of data on having the radio on?

Fuzzy Clam · 25-09-2016 9:20pm

Logue no2 wrote: »

Ok. I'm going to explain this as clearly as possible without getting too technical, as I suspect you don't have a huge knowledge of how radio signals are generated and the properties of the various broadcast bands.

On the other hand, signals in the AM broadcast bands can bounce off the ionosphere at night and reception is extended. You asked why I claimed Radio 1 was weaker at night. Here's why.

Fuzzy Clam you seem interested in Radio, can I make a friendly suggestion to find out where your local radio club is and take out an Amateur Radio licence. You will make many new friends and will gain a clear understanding how radio works.

You won't regret it!

"On the contrary long waves are just surface waves. However, typically, a larger area can be covered by a long wave broadcast transmitter than a medium wave one at a parity of power. This is because ground-wave propagation suffers less attenuation due to limited ground conductivity at lower frequencies. Long waves can travel thousands of miles."

"For LongWave (<300 kHz) the propagation isn’t so much a bouncing off the ionosphere and earth’s surfave, but more like propagating in a big waveguide."

https://www.quora.com/How-far-do-longwave-radio-signals-travel

Somebody should join their local radio club.

Graham · 25-09-2016 9:49pm

my3cents wrote: »

Why on earth would I want to pay for and use in excess of 30GB of data on having the radio on?

To keep listening to RTÉ after LW is switched off I would have thought.

That was the topic under discussion until a couple of posters decided they'd rather make it all about how much they know about radio/DAB.

my3cents · 25-09-2016 11:56pm

Graham wrote: »

To keep listening to RTÉ after LW is switched off I would have thought.

That was the topic under discussion until a couple of posters decided they'd rather make it all about how much they know about radio/DAB.

Why would I bother to listen to RTE when LW is switched off. I only listen to it now as its easy to tune in and there isn't much choice.

If I have to bother to put the tele or computer on to get satellite radio (PC has a tuner card) or if I have to use the internet then I have a massive amount of choice and probably won't bother with RTE as a result.

As it I'll probably go with more BBC Radio 4 on LW and endure even more cricket - I like cricket but can only take so much.

26-09-2016 3:01pm

my3cents wrote: »

certainly not putting on the satellite TV or a computer to listen to RTE of a morning, which leads me on to this crap I keep reading about listening on the internet. I don't want to be running a computer and sound system to listen to the RADIO and I really don't want to be listening to the RADIO on a mobile phone with a earphone stuck in my ear I just want to listen to it on a RADIO. A few watts of electric usage or battery and a user can listen to LW with a RADIO but listening to it with a mobile phone or the internet is just not the same. If the radio can't get LW anymore I won't be listening to anything on RTE.

You just reminded me of a video I saw on the internet where someone used a GM/EMD V12 diesel engine from a locomotive to peel an apple. Sure it can do it, but it's terribly inefficient. I see internet radio in the same way.

Graham · 26-09-2016 3:05pm

Karsini wrote: »

You just reminded me of a video I saw on the internet where someone used a GM/EMD V12 diesel engine from a locomotive to peel an apple. Sure it can do it, but it's terribly inefficient. I see internet radio in the same way.

Internet radio is efficient for reaching a geographically diverse or very small listener base where traditional broadcast channels would prove too expensive/inefficient.

Logue no2 · 26-09-2016 3:12pm

Graham wrote: »

Internet radio is efficient for reaching a geographically diverse or very small listener base where traditional broadcast channels would prove too expensive/inefficient.

So why not abandon RF completely and put all Irish radio entirely on the Internet if it's that impressive and the way forward etc.

end of the road · 26-09-2016 3:16pm

Graham wrote: »

Internet radio is efficient for reaching a geographically diverse or very small listener base where traditional broadcast channels would prove too expensive/inefficient.

those of us who listen to internet radio are willing to seek out stations that cater to our tastes. i should think much of those who listen to 252 aren't going to bother with the hassle of seeking out rte via internet.
listen i love internet radio. i've discovered more stations then i can shake a stick at that cater to my taste. however i'm under no illusions that it can replace or be a substitute for terrestrial radio. not for the forseeable for most people anyway. i hope that does change as internet radio will offer more choice then terrestrial radio ever could even if it was willing to offer it.

Logue no2 · 26-09-2016 3:26pm

ED E wrote: »

Bull****.

54MB /Hr approx at full quality. Lowest monthly cap nowadays is a 2GB phone package, thats 37Hrs but realistically nobody has that now and most people are at 30GB or above so thats 555Hrs per month.

Ok leaving aside the offensive bull**** comment - there are typically 730 hours in a month according to Google. So the Internet radio listener who has a cap has to keep a record of how many hours they have listened to the radio in order not to break their cap limit. And that's before they do things like downloading skateboarding duck videos from you tube or emailling documents or uploading photos.

Shifting listeners to the Internet might suit the bean counters in RTÉ or those of you in Ireland who don't give a toss about the Irish abroad or even parts of Northern Ireland where the RTÉ FM signal is poor, but from the regular listeners point of view it's the end of regular listening to RTÉ radio.

Graham · 26-09-2016 3:49pm

Logue no2 wrote: »

So why not abandon RF completely and put all Irish radio entirely on the Internet if it's that impressive and the way forward etc.

I'm sure it will happen at some point, for now the non-LW RTE broadcasts have the critical mass to keep them viable.

end of the road · 26-09-2016 4:08pm

Graham wrote: »

I'm sure it will happen at some point, for now the non-LW RTE broadcasts have the critical mass to keep them viable.

as part of the public service obligation to those abroad, the service is viable

ghostdancer · 26-09-2016 4:10pm

Logue no2 wrote: »

Ok leaving aside the offensive bull**** comment - there are typically 730 hours in a month according to Google. So the Internet radio listener who has a cap has to keep a record of how many hours they have listened to the radio in order not to break their cap limit. And that's before they do things like downloading skateboarding duck videos from you tube or emailling documents or uploading photos.

Shifting listeners to the Internet might suit the bean counters in RTÉ or those of you in Ireland who don't give a toss about the Irish abroad or even parts of Northern Ireland where the RTÉ FM signal is poor, but from the regular listeners point of view it's the end of regular listening to RTÉ radio.

if they had to use their phone plan's data allowance to listen, then yes.

realistically, the majority of people living outside Ireland who listen via LW are likely in a perfectly normal internet capable area, so can listen via internet radio using their home broadband line without issue.

we're really getting to miniscule numbers of people who will actually be affected by this....

Graham · 26-09-2016 4:17pm

end of the road wrote: »

as part of the public service obligation to those abroad, the service is viable

RTE appear to be happy that internet radio meets those obligations.

26-09-2016 4:17pm

end of the road wrote: »

as part of the public service obligation to those abroad, the service is viable

This I don't get. Why should the Irish taxpayer be providing a radio station for people in other countries?

L1011 · 26-09-2016 4:21pm

end of the road wrote: »

as part of the public service obligation to those abroad, the service is viable

What obligation?

You imagining a PSO does not mean there is one.

Logue no2 · 26-09-2016 4:22pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This I don't get. Why should the Irish taxpayer be providing a radio station for people in other countries?

That's Irish people in other countries. Ireland has a very large diaspora compared to many other countries and one key way to keep us all in touch since the 1930s has been RTÉ radio on am.

Logue no2 · 26-09-2016 4:27pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So is the OP!

The arguments for keeping LW252 are very weak. The number of people in Ireland availing of the service makes it nonviable.

People who emigrate for whatever reason need to immerse themselves in their new homes and cultures and stop looking over their shoulders at the ould sod. I'm sure they have phones, Skype and Facetime to keep in touch with family.

And this. From your posts you seem a big fan of Coronation Street, Great British Bake Off and Strictly. All British programmes. Would you like it if someone decided all you can watch is Irish made programmes?

Personally I'm a fan of Seascapes, Sunday Miscellany, Morning Ireland and Late Date as well as Sunday Sport. I am Irish, you will never take that away from me, and I like to listen to Irish radio.

Graham · 26-09-2016 4:30pm

Logue no2 wrote: »

I am Irish, you will never take that away from me, and I like to listen to Irish radio.

Is someone trying to take away your nationality? I understood we were discussing the ending of LW broadcasts while retaining an internet radio presence for the diaspora.

Logue no2 · 26-09-2016 4:34pm

Graham wrote: »

Is someone trying to take away your nationality? I understood we were discussing the ending of LW broadcasts while retaining an internet radio presence for the diaspora.

Read the quote above my post. In any case I am discussing keeping RTÉ LW for everybody. What you're discussing is your business.

end of the road · 26-09-2016 4:43pm

Graham wrote: »

RTE appear to be happy that internet radio meets those obligations.

others aren't happy that internet radio meets those obligations. i can see their point and as said, i'm a big fan of internet radio myself.

Deleted User wrote: »

This I don't get. Why should the Irish taxpayer be providing a radio station for people in other countries?

because the broadcasting act requires it. and because it's good for irish abroad to have a link to the motherland.

L1011 wrote: »

What obligation?

You imagining a PSO does not mean there is one.

no but the fact they're is one means they're is one

ED E · 26-09-2016 4:45pm

Logue no2 wrote: »

That's Irish people in other countries. Ireland has a very large diaspora compared to many other countries and one key way to keep us all in touch since the 1930s has been RTÉ radio on am.

There are lots of things we had in the '30s that we dont have now. Thats call progress. Do you like that mains power coming into your house yeah? How about the use of a phone?

Logue no2 wrote: »

Ok leaving aside the offensive bull**** comment - there are typically 730 hours in a month according to Google. So the Internet radio listener who has a cap has to keep a record of how many hours they have listened to the radio in order not to break their cap limit. And that's before they do things like downloading skateboarding duck videos from you tube or emailling documents or uploading photos.

Shifting listeners to the Internet might suit the bean counters in RTÉ or those of you in Ireland who don't give a toss about the Irish abroad or even parts of Northern Ireland where the RTÉ FM signal is poor, but from the regular listeners point of view it's the end of regular listening to RTÉ radio.

You said:

a couple of hours

I said bull****. 37 or 555 could not be considered a "couple".

Taking 30GB as the cap even listening every waking hour (assuming 7hrs sleep/night) you'd still not burn a that cap at only 490hrs of listening. Even then the most die hard RTE fanboy or girl could not claim that they want 17hrs of Radio 1 content a day.

Ads pay part of RTEs budget, a big part. Advertisers wont pay for:
- Out of market listeners (UK dwellers wont be shopping in SuperValu)
- Listeners that are hard to enumerate.

LW is dead, its about time. Moan all you like but its sayonara.

Graham · 26-09-2016 4:45pm

end of the road wrote: »

no but the fact they're is one means they're is one

is there one that specifies the broadcast must be RF/LW?

L1011 · 26-09-2016 4:46pm

end of the road wrote: »

no but the fact they're is one means they're is one

So - there isn't one, except what you've invented in your head.

ED E · 26-09-2016 4:46pm

end of the road wrote: »

because the broadcasting act requires it. and because it's good for irish abroad to have a link to the motherland.

Respond to EOTR is like talking to your dead cat but anyways....

It requires they can listen, they can do so on the internet, until somebody takes them to the high court and wins theres zero obligation to keep 252 alive.

26-09-2016 5:03pm

end of the road wrote: »

because the broadcasting act requires it. and because it's good for irish abroad to have a link to the motherland.

I wasn't aware of this. Surely the age of needing to keep in touch with the ould sod by radio has been taken over by Skype, Facetime or the availability of Irish newspapers online.

26-09-2016 5:11pm

Logue no2 wrote: »

And this. From your posts you seem a big fan of Coronation Street, Great British Bake Off and Strictly. All British programmes. Would you like it if someone decided all you can watch is Irish made programmes?

Personally I'm a fan of Seascapes, Sunday Miscellany, Morning Ireland and Late Date as well as Sunday Sport. I am Irish, you will never take that away from me, and I like to listen to Irish radio.

Being a thoroughly modern gal, I can watch or listen to what I like online!

lertsnim · 26-09-2016 5:30pm

Logue no2 wrote: »

And this. From your posts you seem a big fan of Coronation Street, Great British Bake Off and Strictly. All British programmes. Would you like it if someone decided all you can watch is Irish made programmes?

Personally I'm a fan of Seascapes, Sunday Miscellany, Morning Ireland and Late Date as well as Sunday Sport. I am Irish, you will never take that away from me, and I like to listen to Irish radio.

Your analogy debunks your whole argument. Even if the availability of the programmes you mentioned ceased via traditional means they are still there online. Irish radio will still be there after LW is shut down.

end of the road · 26-09-2016 6:17pm

lertsnim wrote: »

Your analogy debunks your whole argument. Even if the availability of the programmes you mentioned ceased via traditional means they are still there online. Irish radio will still be there after LW is shut down.

online requires one to seek out rte's programming. where as terrestrial radio requires one to simply turn on a radio and listen away. online is great but for most it is not an exceptable substitute to terrestrial radio for now at least. it may become one in the future with a bit of luck.

The Future of Longwave 252kHz (RTE Radio 1)

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