Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

Cheerful Spring2 · 12-07-2019 3:25pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

And we are supposed to believe this actually happened, where is the evidence? That amount of satellite coverage and drone footage they would have available and somehow didn't capture, more fake news at Mr T would say. Not to mention opportunites crew on the tanker would have had to record it using their mobile phones.

Yes be skeptical of US and UK claims. There trying to build a martime force to patrol the Persian gulf. I would not be surprised if this is fake news. The Iranians have denied this incident.

If it happened they have photos and video so far nothing got released.

Gatling · 12-07-2019 3:40pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Not true RQ4 drone has radar warning reciever build in and will warn the operators of the drone a missile is approaching. The drone also has ALR-89 radar self defence jamming system. For whatever reason it failed to work

What i mean by went dark of radar. It turned off all identifications markers like its transponder and other modes. It essentially was just a UFO on screen, and when the Iranians spotted it was a dot/ blip in the sky. The drone may have dropped in and out of radar coverage. The Iranians were tracking a UFO and shot it down.

Your making this all up literally .

A slow moving drone was shot down by a missile flying at likely flying in excess of Mach 1 that's all Iran said they had tracked the drone either a Triton or global hawk in their own statements.

Your now cliaming UFO !!!

If you don't know don't make exaggerated claims

Jimmy Garlic · 12-07-2019 3:52pm

Gatling wrote: »

So explain the need to ship 2 million barrels of crude around Africa to get to Syria when there is multiple crude pipelines in the region,

Oddly enough Israeli forces intercepted multiple vessels carrying weapons (via Iran for hamas) over the years on the same or similar route around Africa

What's good for the goose is good fo the gander. Don't Israel and Saudi Arabia get copious amounts of weapons shipped to them, one is an undeclared nuclear rouge state and the other is a feudal kingdom that llikes to chop people up, literally.

Gatling · 12-07-2019 4:29pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

What's good for the goose is good fo the gander. Don't Israel and Saudi Arabia get copious amounts of weapons shipped to them

Both legitimate sovereign states buying weapons systems for self defense Vs rouge state supplying terrorist organisations .

Didn't think this one through

Remind us about Iran and hamas or do you not know anything about either .
Only so much saudi chop people up posts you can make

specky4eyes · 13-07-2019 2:33am

Gatling wrote: »

Your making this all up literally .

A slow moving drone was shot down by a missile flying at likely flying in excess of Mach 1 that's all Iran said they had tracked the drone either a Triton or global hawk in their own statements.

Your now cliaming UFO !!!

If you don't know don't make exaggerated claims

If there was a back peddling tour de France I'd put my money on you.

Nobody is claiming Iran thought there were aliens, anything that flies and is unidentifiable is commonly known as an unidentified flying object or UFO

Gatling · 13-07-2019 2:55am

specky4eyes wrote: »

Nobody is claiming Iran thought there were aliens

Who said anything about aliens serious read first !!!!!

Try a new account

Jimmy Garlic · 13-07-2019 11:48am

Gatling wrote: »

Both legitimate sovereign states buying weapons systems for self defense Vs rouge state supplying terrorist organisations .

Didn't think this one through

Remind us about Iran and hamas or do you not know anything about either .
Only so much saudi chop people up posts you can make

Glaring hypocrisy from you Gatling. Double standards are the norm from the do as we say, not as we do crowd. Saudi Arabia is the largest state sponsor of terrorists in the region by a long shot. Israel is not shy either when it comes to supporting terrorists, they even set field hospitals to treat them. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Gatling · 13-07-2019 12:05pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Glaring hypocrisy from you Gatling. Double standards are the norm from the do as we say,

Again your clearly wrong .

Your equating a supplying terrorists to sovereign states buying military equipment .

We all know you don't like (hate) America ,Saudi and isreal

Gatling · 13-07-2019 12:16pm

Any how

"The leader of Lebanon's Hezbollah has warned that Iran "is able to bombard Israel with ferocity and force" if a war breaks out with the United States.

Sayed Hassan Nasrallah's remarks were broadcast on the movement's Al-Manar television on Friday, following weeks of increasing tensions between the United States and Iran.

"When the Americans understand that this war could wipe out Israel, they will reconsider," Nasrallah said.

"Our collective responsibility in the region is to work towards preventing an American war on Iran."

He said neither Saudi Arabia nor the United Arab Emirates (UAE) had any interest in conflict.

On Friday, the US House of Representatives voted to restrict Trump's ability to attack Iran, voicing fear that his hawkish policies are pushing towards a needless war.

The US considers Hezbollah - the only faction not to have disarmed after the Lebanese 1975-1990 civil war - a "terrorist" organisation.

But it is also a major political player in the small Mediterranean country, taking 13 seats in parliament last year and securing three posts in the current cabinet"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/07/hezbollah-warns-iran-bombard-israel-war-starts-190713062845782.html

Considering Israel apparently flew jets into Iran including over Tehran unimpeded and undetected making threats to the one state in the region that would hit Iran it's not the smartest move to make under heightened tensions

specky4eyes · 13-07-2019 2:35pm

Gatling wrote: »

So explain the need to ship 2 million barrels of crude around Africa to get to Syria when there is multiple crude pipelines in the region.

If you had the slightest clue of what is going on you wouldn't be wouldn't be asking stupid ignorant questions.

The US-backed SDF control Syria’s largest oil field in Al-Omar in the eastern province of Deir Ezzor, as well as the nearby Tanak and Jafra fields.

They also hold the Rmeilan field in the northeastern province of Hassakeh, as well as other smaller ones there and in the northern province of Raqa.

The Russia-backed regime, meanwhile, holds the country’s largest gas field in Shaer, as well as those of Sadad and Arak.

specky4eyes · 13-07-2019 2:50pm

Gatling wrote: »

Any how

"The leader of Lebanon's Hezbollah has warned that Iran "is able to bombard Israel with ferocity and force" if a war breaks out with the United States.

Sayed Hassan Nasrallah's remarks were broadcast on the movement's Al-Manar television on Friday, following weeks of increasing tensions between the United States and Iran.

"When the Americans understand that this war could wipe out Israel, they will reconsider," Nasrallah said.

"Our collective responsibility in the region is to work towards preventing an American war on Iran."

He said neither Saudi Arabia nor the United Arab Emirates (UAE) had any interest in conflict.

On Friday, the US House of Representatives voted to restrict Trump's ability to attack Iran, voicing fear that his hawkish policies are pushing towards a needless war.

The US considers Hezbollah - the only faction not to have disarmed after the Lebanese 1975-1990 civil war - a "terrorist" organisation.

But it is also a major political player in the small Mediterranean country, taking 13 seats in parliament last year and securing three posts in the current cabinet"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/07/hezbollah-warns-iran-bombard-israel-war-starts-190713062845782.html

Considering Israel apparently flew jets into Iran including over Tehran unimpeded and undetected making threats to the one state in the region that would hit Iran it's not the smartest move to make under heightened tensions

The first missile that lands in the desert in Iran will instantly bring every city in occupied Palestine under a barrage of missiles, the iron dome can't handle more than three missiles at a time, can't even stop Hamas home made rockets reaching Tel Aviv, then consider all those high precision missiles trained on the Negev nuclear plant in Dimona, Hezbollah has stated that it will make most of USrael uninhabitable, and they can if push comes to shove, Israel will retaliate but Shia don't fear death like the khazars do.

Gatling · 13-07-2019 2:52pm

specky4eyes wrote: »

The first missile that lands in the desert in Iran will instantly bring every city in occupied Palestine under a barrage of missiles, the iron dome can't handle more than three missiles at a time,

Hezbollah has stated that it will make most of USrael uninhabitable, and they can if push comes to shove, Israel will retaliate but Shia don't fear death like the khazars do.

No and
No

Unfortunately your just copy and pasting hizbolla propaganda

specky4eyes · 13-07-2019 2:55pm

Gatling wrote: »

No and
No

Unfortunately your just copy and pasting hizbolla propaganda

That the best you can do?, nothing copy and pasted, just a better understanding of things than you have.

specky4eyes · 13-07-2019 3:04pm

Gatling wrote: »

No and
No

Unfortunately your just copy and pasting hizbolla propaganda

Here's a copy and paste from...............Harretz.

How Many Rockets Has Iron Dome Really Intercepted?
While IDF figures put the Iron Dome missile defense system's success rate at 84 percent, three scientists claim the real figure could be much lower than that.

"Iron Dome’s intercept rate, defined as destruction of the rocket's warhead, was relatively low, perhaps as low as 5%, but could well be lower."

This astonishing figure, which casts a shadow of doubt on the figures published by the Israel Defense Forces regarding the Iron Dome missile defense system, was suggested by Professor Theodore Postol, a world-renowned scientist and expert in missile defense.

Postol, and two other rocket scientists, Dr. Mordechai Shefer, formerly of Rafael, and D., a scientist who until recently worked for Raytheon, the manufacturer of PATRIOT missiles, investigated the performance of Iron Dome performance during Operation Pillar of Defense and all reached similar conclusions: Iron Dome’s rate of success did not come close to the figure of 84% as reported by the IDF.

According to the three scientists, who conducted their research separately by analyzing dozens of videos filmed during the operation, most of the explosions which look as if they were successful interceptions, are actually just the self-destruction of the Iron Dome’s own missiles. The scientists point out that in every case the explosions, seen as balls of fire during the day and clouds of smoke at night, were round and symmetrical. In the case of successful interceptions, in which the incoming missile’s warhead is destroyed, there should have been another ball of fire or cloud of smoke.

They also uncovered a strange phenomenon whereby the Iron Dome’s missiles followed identical trajectories, and self-destructed at precisely the same time. In some of the videos, it appears that the Iron Dome’s missiles made a very sharp turn shortly before self-destruction. That cannot be, say the scientists, as there is no way that the missile defense system could “remember” that it needs to turn in the direction of the incoming Grad missile a quarter-second before it self-destructs.

In some cases, it seems as if the trajectories of Iron Dome missiles were preset.

In many cases, the Iron Dome’s missiles are seen taking a sharp plunge, and chasing after the incoming rockets from behind. In such a scenario, the chances that the interceptor could come into close enough proximity to destroy the incoming missile’s warhead are miniscule. In order to destroy an incoming missile’s warhead, the Iron Dome missile would need to follow a trajectory that would result in a direct hit, or at least a hit at a sharp angle.

Gatling · 13-07-2019 5:14pm

Seems Iran are looking to change tactics.

They want to talk and de-escalate .

Maybe they are starting to realise war isn't a great option for them

http://news.sky.com/story/iranian-tanker-crew-members-released-without-charge-after-ship-seized-off-gibraltar-11762297

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-07-2019 5:32pm

Gatling wrote: »

Seems Iran are looking to change tactics.

They want to talk and de-escalate .

Maybe they are starting to realise war isn't a great option for them

http://news.sky.com/story/iranian-tanker-crew-members-released-without-charge-after-ship-seized-off-gibraltar-11762297

Diplomats being diplomatic confuses you?

Of course Iran doesnt want a war, They are being poked and poked and poked by the US into getting into a war that the US hawks want. Iran are actually being very sane in this whole situation and it's making Trump and the warmongers he has hired look quite foolish on the world stage.

Gatling · 13-07-2019 5:40pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Diplomats being diplomatic confuses you?

Of course Iran doesnt want a war, They are being poked and poked and poked by the US into getting into a war that the US hawks want. Iran are actually being very sane in this whole situation and it's making Trump and the warmongers he has hired look quite foolish on the world stage.

I think there might be more To it ,
I think the cleric's and Revolutionary guard have next to no support as it is ,a war against the US there allies and isreal would likely see the end of both ,
You can make all the threats you like but sooner or later you have to put up or shut up

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-07-2019 5:44pm

Gatling wrote: »

I think there might be more To it ,
I think the cleric's and Revolutionary guard have next to no support as it is ,a war against the US there allies and isreal would likely see the end of both ,
You can make all the threats you like but sooner or later you have to put up or shut up

Sabre rattling has been going on in that region for years. The fact is the US needs war to justify the massive spending.

You give them enough new toys and sooner or later they want to use them (Trump dropping a MOAB in Afghanistan because he wanted to show off) and at the moment Iran is their target of choice.

The Iranians are being calm and this frustrates the US hawks as they know they can't just go in so they keep looking for a reason (any reason) to start a war.

Gringo180 · 13-07-2019 6:09pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Sabre rattling has been going on in that region for years. The fact is the US needs war to justify the massive spending.

You give them enough new toys and sooner or later they want to use them (Trump dropping a MOAB in Afghanistan because he wanted to show off) and at the moment Iran is their target of choice.

The Iranians are being calm and this frustrates the US hawks as they know they can't just go in so they keep looking for a reason (any reason) to start a war.

The Iranians are indeed playing a very good game here, and this even considering the economic terrorism being waged upon them from the most dangerous government on the face of the planet.

Gatling · 13-07-2019 6:13pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

The Iranians are indeed playing a very good game here, even considering the economic terrorism being waged upon them from the most dangerous government on the face of the planet.

But there not ,
There is no win for Iran in any situation , unpopular religious leaders and their beliefs and an unpopular military who have turned on their population more than once ,

they are on fairly shakey ground ,
No matter what way you want to look at it

Anti America or not Iran are looking less likely of coming out of this unscathed not least for the cleric's and Revolutionary guard

specky4eyes · 13-07-2019 7:36pm

Gatling wrote: »

But there not ,
There is no win for Iran in any situation , unpopular religious leaders and their beliefs and an unpopular military who have turned on their population more than once ,

they are on fairly shakey ground ,
No matter what way you want to look at it

Anti America or not Iran are looking less likely of coming out of this unscathed not least for the cleric's and Revolutionary guard

If Iran was attacked and the rulers and IRGC did nothing about it, then the clerics and IRGC would have problems at home, when/if they do retaliate Iran will be more united than ever.

As they have openly stated and have been preparing for, for decades, they will retaliate with every option they have, come what may.

The Late Late Show · 13-07-2019 9:51pm

specky4eyes wrote: »

If Iran was attacked and the rulers and IRGC did nothing about it, then the clerics and IRGC would have problems at home, when/if they do retaliate Iran will be more united than ever.

As they have openly stated and have been preparing for, for decades, they will retaliate with every option they have, come what may.

Yes. If the Bolton regime gets its way and attacks Iran, Iranians in and out of government will put their differences to one side and unite against the Bolton regime and the MeK puppet it wants to impose. Iran knows the Bolton regime which has been the de facto America government since 9th April 2018 is unpopular in America and the people voted against it in the midterms. On the other hand, most Iranians voted for reformed minded president Hassan Rouhani and want to continue on the road he has taken Iran over the past few years (to change Iran for the better peacefully).

The Iranians often call Bolton's regime the B team and differentiate it from Trump. They know Trump made a mistake allowing Bolton to form his obnoxious regime and know Trump is desperate to get something positive before 2020. Trump could well decide Bolton and co have to go and that Trump could do an 180 degree u-turn on all things Iran and restore relations. They already saw Trump's attempts with Kim Jong Un for example but Iran has more to offer of course and a comprehensive deal could be done.

Gatling · 13-07-2019 10:19pm

The Late Late Show wrote: »

On the other hand, most Iranians voted for reformed minded president Hassan Rouhani and want to continue on the road he has taken Iran over the past few years

Not really no ,

Iran elections are like russian elections only chosen people get to run who favour the supreme leaders agendas ,
It was claimed he took 23% of the 41 million votes not the majority of Iranians you claimed

Jimmy Garlic · 13-07-2019 11:39pm

Gatling wrote: »

Not really no ,

Iran elections are like russian elections only chosen people get to run who favour the supreme leaders agendas ,
It was claimed he took 23% of the 41 million votes not the majority of Iranians you claimed

Tell us about elections in Saudi Arabia... that's right, they don't have any.

Gatling · 14-07-2019 12:05am

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Tell us about elections in Saudi Arabia... that's right, they don't have any.

It's a kingdom not a democratic country .

Are we talking about Iran or do we have to put up with Saudi this ,isreal this , America that yada yada yada

cameramonkey · 14-07-2019 12:30am

Gatling wrote: »

It's a kingdom not a democratic country .

Are we talking about Iran or do we have to put up with Saudi this ,isreal this , America that yada yada yada

Well The OP is about Iran and the USA, so we do have to put up with yada yada about America.

Gatling · 14-07-2019 12:49am

cameramonkey wrote: »

Well The OP is about Iran and the USA,.

Yes it's about Iran and USA

Gold star for yourself good fella

Jimmy Garlic · 14-07-2019 12:58am

Gatling wrote: »

Yes it's about Iran and USA

Gold star for yourself good fella

Israel and Saudi Arabia are both integral in the attempt to start a war with Iran. Stop trying to tailor things to suit your misguided and painfully simplistic view of the region.

Jimmy Garlic · 14-07-2019 1:03am

Gatling wrote: »

It's a kingdom not a democratic country

It is possible to be both. Most monarchies are in fact also democracies. Saudi Arabia is still firmly in the dark ages.

Gatling · 14-07-2019 1:10am

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It is possible to be both. Most monarchies are in fact also democracies

But not in this case no......

Gatling · 14-07-2019 1:13am

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Stop trying to tailor things to suit your misguided

This the same i hate America , Israel and Saudi poster
Trying to deflect the discussion to Saudi.

Whats next bring back the Berlin wall ....

Jimmy Garlic · 14-07-2019 4:24am

Gatling wrote: »

This the same i hate America , Israel and Saudi poster
Trying to deflect the discussion to Saudi.

Whats next bring back the Berlin wall ....

Never seen you say a bad word against Saudi Arabia, or Israel. Your general view and understanding of that region doesn't stray far from Bush Jr's axis of evil speech in its sheer simplicity.

You can't have a debate about a potential war with Iran and not discuss Israel and Saudi Arabia, both are heavily invested in creating the conditions to start one.

Your moral grandstanding and finger wagging at democracy in Iran is rich considering Saudi Arabia (a country you never scold) has no democracy whatsoever. Israel under Netanyahu isn't the beacon of democracy it pretends to be either.

Timberrrrrrrr · 14-07-2019 9:03am

Gatling wrote: »

It's a kingdom not a democratic country .

Are we talking about Iran or do we have to put up with Saudi this ,isreal this , America that yada yada yada

You only want to talk about Iran and not the 3 countries that wish to start a war with them?

realitykeeper · 14-07-2019 9:53am

Does anyone understand this business about the Brits seizing an Iranian ship. Prejudices aside, were they wrong or right? Was it an excuse to pick a fight or did they have a legal right and if so was their interpretation of the law correct. Is the law they used a righteous law or is it a Longshanks prima nocta type of law? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi6MOK6ve14

Gatling · 14-07-2019 11:01am

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Never seen you say a bad word against Saudi Arabia, or Israel.

Again your wrong ,

Please stop making stuff up ,

You tried to be clever and it didn't work not for the first time .

The only people crying war is the same small group who turn in every other thread they can mention with their selective history of America did this and America did that and nothing else .

Gatling · 14-07-2019 2:45pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

Does anyone understand this business about the Brits seizing an Iranian ship. Prejudices aside, were they wrong or right? Was it an excuse to pick a fight or did they have a legal right and if so was their interpretation of the law correct. Is the law they used a righteous law or is it a Longshanks prima nocta type of law? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi6MOK6ve14

I believe it's actually a full legal siezure ,
There maybe some claims of otherwise but I don't think we will see any real court room drama over it ,
It was believed to have being carrying fuel oil which is restricted to Syria (open to correction) it's actually carrying crude oil destined for a refinary in Syria currently under UN sanctions ,for all intents it's a safe stop now was the Gibraltar government action intended to show oh EU were being dutiful member or was it a case of plausible deniability on behalf of the UK government if it all went belly up ,
A marine commando's detachment would suggest they were expecting trouble possible armed forces on board , weapons .
Oddly enough she's (grace 1) supposedly registered in Panama but they insist they removed her registration under them for being directly involved in funding terrorism.

There is more to this story ...

I'm sure we'll get it's a Saudi conspiracy before long

Varik · 14-07-2019 6:59pm

Any reason given that the tanker was travelling the long way to get to where ever it was officially/secretly going to.

Too big for the canal, had another port of call, or just didn't want the Egyptians giving them too much attention.

Gatling · 14-07-2019 7:25pm

Varik wrote: »

Any reason given that the tanker was travelling the long way to get to where ever it was officially/secretly going to.

Too big for the canal, had another port of call, or just didn't want the Egyptians giving them too much attention.

Nobody knows for sure , but Iran is known for shipping weapons to hizbolla and other terror groups using ships traveling to and from Africa ,
There has been a number of high profile incidents where Israeli forces have intercepted boats carrying arms and missiles off the coast of Africa over the last few decades

GooglePlus · 15-07-2019 2:35pm

Varik wrote: »

Any reason given that the tanker was travelling the long way to get to where ever it was officially/secretly going to.

Too big for the canal, had another port of call, or just didn't want the Egyptians giving them too much attention.

I think ships are subject to more scrutiny via the Suez Canal, with cargo being checked when passing through.

They were obviously trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the authorities by going the long way around Africa.

smurfjed · 15-07-2019 5:07pm

Tell us about elections in Saudi Arabia... that's right, they don't have any.

Do you ever check facts before you post?

The Late Late Show · 16-07-2019 6:37am

Gatling wrote: »

Not really no ,

Iran elections are like russian elections only chosen people get to run who favour the supreme leaders agendas ,
It was claimed he took 23% of the 41 million votes not the majority of Iranians you claimed

I agree that Iran's system means certain individuals are excluded if they do not believe in Supreme Leader and that certain Iranians do not vote. But Rouhani beat the preferred candidates of the rejected hardliners 2 times. For the MIDDLE EAST, this is more democratic than the rest of the countries.

America cannot claim to be a democracy. Trump and others got elected via the dodgy electoral college and on April 9th 2018, Trump basically handed the government over to dystopia when he appointed John Bolton. Bolton, an UNELECTED official should not be in government and either should Brian Hook, another UNELECTED official. America is anything but perfect and are in no position to criticise anyone else until they get their very flawed messed up dystopia fixed. A good few people I know have said America is a horrible place now and these people are Americans.

The Late Late Show · 16-07-2019 7:02am

There was a very interesting documentary on Saudi Arabia, Iran and the related events of the Middle East last night (Monday) on RTE at 11.15. Many anti-Iran types speak of the Islamic revolution as if it was only in Iran but it was not. Islamic revolution changed Saudi Arabia in the 1979 period too and I had forgotten all about this General Zia in Pakistan. A very evil and cruel guy who wallowed in sadistic public punishments of his people.

Needless to say, Saudi and this Zia along with the Americans were 100% responsible for messing up Afghanistan's anti-communist factions and lead to the malign influence of madrassas and Bin Laden which eventually lead to the likes of the Taliban, Al Qaeda and indirectly ISIS. No question here about who the real baddies of the Middle East were: it is clearly the Wahabbis and their Saudi patrons. Iran and Ayatollah Khomeini came across as a more legit revolution that had support of the people of Iran in 1979. Of course, Iran has become less religious and of course, Khamenei lacks the charisma of Khomeini so change may come once more in Iran. It is also obvious that the Shah of Iran was no angel either and that much like the Saudi royals, he ruled his country without considering his people often. It is clear what frightened the Saudi royals about the overthrow of the Shah (the Shah was a friend of the Saudi royals). One of their club was overthrown and they feared they'd be next. Monarchs were threatened and the all powerful Shah replaced within a short few weeks.

What also one notices about this period is how the Americans often were able to hide their imperialist agenda behind backing 'freedom fighters'. The types the Americans supported along with the Saudis were anything but good people and while happy to demonise Islamic revolution in Iran, it glorified a much more intolerant Islamic revolution in Afghanistan. Mujahedin propaganda was everywhere in the 1980s and even counted Rambo as an ally!

With today's Bolton regime running a quasi-dictatorship that ignores the people's votes ruling in America since April 9th 2018, the pretences that America is more noble than a blatant reactionary imperialist arrogant superpower are dropped. Bolton's regime is evil and self serving, only caters for the white male Christian population of America and does not care what the world thinks. Bolton's takeover is worrisome and for now, the bad guys have won out in America due to a weak president, a divided system and a greedy big business lobby influence. A dictator like Bolton is the end result of America's messed up 'democracy'.

jackboy · 16-07-2019 10:09am

The Late Late Show wrote: »

A good few people I know have said America is a horrible place now and these people are Americans.

Yet a lot of Mexicans risk death to get into America. A lot of Irish are petrified of being deported from the USA back to Ireland.

Although not perfect it is still one of the best countries in the world to live.

A lot of people here say that Ireland is horrible, doesn’t mean it is true. I’m sure most Iranians would prefer an American style government to what they have now.

The Late Late Show · 16-07-2019 1:23pm

jackboy wrote: »

Yet a lot of Mexicans risk death to get into America. A lot of Irish are petrified of being deported from the USA back to Ireland.

Although not perfect it is still one of the best countries in the world to live.

A lot of people here say that Ireland is horrible, doesn’t mean it is true. I’m sure most Iranians would prefer an American style government to what they have now.

America remains a good country but there is a movement of vile individuals who entered government on 9th April 2018 doing all they can to wreck America. I believe that in the end, the Bolton regime will not succeed and is good at only one thing: making enemies of everyone. Most Americans will demand and are demanding change, have voted against the Bolton regime in the midterms and other factions in government will sooner or later unite against it. If the Republican party sees its ratings drop to all time lows, they will have to leave the Bolton regime to its own devices and steer back to more moderate territory.

American democracy has been under threat since April 2018 but let's hope this vile regime comes to a head and America can get a normal government again. Iran was heading towards better territory until Bolton's regime decided to quit the Iran deal. The best thing for the world would be to get rid of the Bolton regime and REVERSE everything done between April 2018 and now.

No country be it Iran, Ireland, America, or whoever is perfect. But governments everywhere should listen to the people. Bolton's regime 100% IGNORED the midterm and this is worrying. Other administrations got their act together when they did poorly in the midterms and the like.

notobtuse · 16-07-2019 1:50pm

The Late Late Show wrote: »

I agree that Iran's system means certain individuals are excluded if they do not believe in Supreme Leader and that certain Iranians do not vote. But Rouhani beat the preferred candidates of the rejected hardliners 2 times. For the MIDDLE EAST, this is more democratic than the rest of the countries.

America cannot claim to be a democracy. Trump and others got elected via the dodgy electoral college and on April 9th 2018, Trump basically handed the government over to dystopia when he appointed John Bolton. Bolton, an UNELECTED official should not be in government and either should Brian Hook, another UNELECTED official. America is anything but perfect and are in no position to criticise anyone else until they get their very flawed messed up dystopia fixed. A good few people I know have said America is a horrible place now and these people are Americans.

Nobody and no nation is perfect, but for a little over 240 years the United States has been a beacon for the world.

nthclare · 16-07-2019 1:58pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Nobody and no nation is perfect, but for a little over 240 years the United States has been a beacon for the world.

Some beacons are used as a warning not to go anywhere near or put yourself in harm's way...

Such as a lighthouse, warning ships that there's dangerous rocks or banks close by....

Is that the kind of beacon you're referring to ?

notobtuse · 16-07-2019 2:04pm

nthclare wrote: »

Some beacons are used as a warning not to go anywhere near or put yourself in harm's way...

Such as a lighthouse, warning ships that there's dangerous rocks or banks close by....

Is that the kind of beacon you're referring to ?

It could mean that at times, but more so the beacon metaphor is something that guides or gives hope to others.

Cheerful Spring2 · 16-07-2019 3:07pm

UAE- Panama registered oil tanker is now missing apparently? It was last located in Iranian waters over the weekend.

CNN news tweeted this
https://twitter.com/barbarastarrcnn/status/1150859696036880384

Still bit of mystery what happened. Doubt there be a UK and US military response over this?

Khamenei said there will be a response to UK seizure, this is the one to watch.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-iran-khamenei-britain/khamenei-vows-iran-will-respond-to-uk-piracy-over-tanker-seizure-idUSKCN1UB10T

Gatling · 16-07-2019 4:32pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

UAE- Panama registered oil tanker is now missing apparently? It was last located in Iranian waters over the weekend.

CNN news tweeted this
https://twitter.com/barbarastarrcnn/status/1150859696036880384

Still bit of mystery what happened. Doubt there be a UK and US military response over this?

Khamenei said there will be a response to UK seizure, this is the one to watch.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-iran-khamenei-britain/khamenei-vows-iran-will-respond-to-uk-piracy-over-tanker-seizure-idUSKCN1UB10T

Apparently the above vessel is in the gulf or Oman

Gringo180 · 16-07-2019 10:43pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Nobody and no nation is perfect, but for a little over 240 years the United States has been a beacon for the world.

It doesnt say alot for humanity, when the richest country on the planet cant even afford there citizens universal healthcare, some beacon to the world alright!

Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

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