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06-07-2012, 10:35   #766
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i believe there is a need for it gives more choice to people and creates jobs.the town centre is dying cos the traffic fees and rip off prices. when in clonmel i do not shop in town centre and think showgrounds is brilliant place. long may it thrive
i also disagreethere was never a need for poppyfield - that brough woodies and did electrical and give wider choice. the only people who "do not need it" are the town centre businesses who could charge what they like and keep people in a small circle where they controlled prices with no real competition to towncentre. Before showground many went to Cork for Marks Spencer etc
A decent size shopping centre could have been built on a site closer to the town centre. Where it is feeds into the car culture and when that's coupled with the stupid parking policies in the centre it literally drives people out of the centre.
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06-07-2012, 10:52   #767
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A decent size shopping centre could have been built on a site closer to the town centre. Where it is feeds into the car culture and when that's coupled with the stupid parking policies in the centre it literally drives people out of the centre.
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Where it is feeds into the car culture
I thinkm its fine where it is and people walk there all the time. Where could it be built nearer to town centre and still have free parking?
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06-07-2012, 11:49   #768
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A decent size shopping centre could have been built on a site closer to the town centre. Where it is feeds into the car culture and when that's coupled with the stupid parking policies in the centre it literally drives people out of the centre.
Where exactly? All the land closer to the town centre was in use at the time. No one knew Sean Quinn was going to close the old Barlo Plant or that The Army Barracks would close. Places like the Clonmel Arms or the old Tesco/Quinnsworth are far too small. Even if they did manage to redevelop the town centre to accomodate the Showground shops where exactly would people park and how would the already creaking one way traffic system cope.

Most towns have their new shopping centres much further away. If you park around the swimming pool you are maybe 5 minutes from the far end of O'Connell Street in one direction and maybe 10 minutes from the Showgrounds in the other. That's not bad. In Limerick for example the shopping centres that are killing the city centre are a 45-60 minute walk away from their O'Connell Street.

Also many of the shops in the Showgrounds (Argos, M&S, Iceland etc) that would have struggled to find space big enough at a reasonable rent in the centre of town at the time that the Showgrounds was built. Remember the hassle there has been in Limerick finding a suitable location to meet the needs of M&S. This isn't a choice between O'Connell Street and the Showgrounds. These shops simply wouldn't be in Clonmel if it were not for the Showgrounds.

The showgrounds is a great addition to the town and is not to blame for the woes of retailers on the traditional main shopping streets. Rent, Rates, shambolic parking, confusing traffic flows, and the general economic collapse are higher on the list. While we can't do much about the economy there is plenty that the town can do to improve the business environment.
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Where exactly? All the land closer to the town centre was in use at the time. No one knew Sean Quinn was going to close the old Barlo Plant or that The Army Barracks would close. Places like the Clonmel Arms or the old Tesco/Quinnsworth are far too small. Even if they did manage to redevelop the town centre to accomodate the Showground shops where exactly would people park and how would the already creaking one way traffic system cope.

Most towns have their new shopping centres much further away. If you park around the swimming pool you are maybe 5 minutes from the far end of O'Connell Street in one direction and maybe 10 minutes from the Showgrounds in the other. That's not bad. In Limerick for example the shopping centres that are killing the city centre are a 45-60 minute walk away from their O'Connell Street.

Also many of the shops in the Showgrounds (Argos, M&S, Iceland etc) that would have struggled to find space big enough at a reasonable rent in the centre of town at the time that the Showgrounds was built. Remember the hassle there has been in Limerick finding a suitable location to meet the needs of M&S. This isn't a choice between O'Connell Street and the Showgrounds. These shops simply wouldn't be in Clonmel if it were not for the Showgrounds.

The showgrounds is a great addition to the town and is not to blame for the woes of retailers on the traditional main shopping streets. Rent, Rates, shambolic parking, confusing traffic flows, and the general economic collapse are higher on the list. While we can't do much about the economy there is plenty that the town can do to improve the business environment.
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There is one significant site closer to the town centre which was considered in the past for retail/commercial development, including the provision of a 5 star hotel and a multi storey car park however it never made it through planning. The site was located on Suir Island.

The Showgrounds site was properly the best available at the time, for a shopping centre of its size. I'm not sure how commercially successful it is, however I would guess there would be far more vacant units in it today if it had opened 2-3 years earlier when tenants would have been tied into higher rents. I would certainly consider the showground within walking distance of the town centre,, however it does suffer poor linkage between it and o connell/gladstone street. Parnell Street isn't a great shopping street.

Ask any business person in Clonmel and they will tell you its rates and not rent that's the biggest issue in Clonmel. For example the rates associated with any of the units in Market Place are actually higher than the rents of the units even were in the Celtic Tiger times ( that was after when rates were applicable on them, Market Place had units had 10 years rate free when they were built under the urban renewal scheme) .
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Market Place had units had 10 years rate free when they were built under the urban renewal scheme) .
Didn't hear any complaints about that or all the money they made in the boom years
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earlier you wrote now you say
I thinkm its fine where it is and people walk there all the time. Where could it be built nearer to town centre and still have free parking?
Are you trying to suggest that my 2 statements are somehow contrary to each other ?
I am ok with people disagreeing with me. People seem quite happy to let these big multinationals come in and build on our town outskirts sucking the life out of the town centres and ensuring more of our money is spent with them rather than in the local shop owners stores in town centres, and that is sad.

This happened in the US first and more recently the UK before us, they really regret it and I think its depressing we couldn't learn from that here too.

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Didn't hear any complaints about that or all the money they made in the boom years
so they are supposed to open at a loss indefinitely because they had it "so good" before ?

this attitude tells me it's time to bow out here.
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Are you trying to suggest that my 2 statements are somehow contrary to each other ?
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seems that way. you blame the car culture but say it is withing walking distance
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Anyone hear anything about the GAA club closing down? The bar has closed as far as I know.
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Anyone hear anything about the GAA club closing down? The bar has closed as far as I know.
it closed last week. apparently no one was told till the time came including thenbarcmanager. a darts club had a big comp arranged but got help from some football club to have it on their premises
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Anyone hear anything about the GAA club closing down? The bar has closed as far as I know.
Is that the one on the Western Rd?
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Yep, across from the hospital.
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Hey, anyone know of any good deals around for a barbeque.
Planning one for the match sunday.
I mean food not an actual barbeque. burgers, sausages and so on..
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Hey, anyone know of any good deals around for a barbeque.
Planning one for the match sunday.
I mean food not an actual barbeque. burgers, sausages and so on..
As far as quality is concerned, Jim Whelan's in Oakville can't be beaten. Sadly they would be one of the more expensive ones though.

We still get most from there or else Kennedy's in Cahir.
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