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Analogue Pocket

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX



    New beta firmware out and about. Will give it a go later but some detail on the page there with changes etc

    Notice a Max Core Volume reference which might be a fix of sorts for the low volume issue when running OpenFPGA stuff. Plus a lot of changes to the FPGA support.....dunno if there's been any filter implementation, but that could be a core-by-core thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭Mucashinto


    I'm going to leave updating the OS until some of the cores get updated to take advantage of the changes, don't think I'll gain anything atm and NeoGeo might break.

    Looks like you'll be able to change games/ROMs within the core which would be a big quality of life improvement. Filters to come in another update though I think.

    It's really starting to take off for me though. Using it way more than I did since I got it and finally setup the dock, works great on my Tv - apart from a horrible ('perfectly normal') sound when I undock it!

    If it keeps on progressing like this it's going to be some device, shame more people don't have them (and that the company isn't the most popular). Could turn into a MiSTer best for CRT/this for flat-screen situation imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Aye. Hate that Dock sound. Analogue said its normal, but everytime I undock, I am not loving it.

    Updated to that newest firmware anyway with no issue, and Analogue Spiritualized Cores have all being updated with minor changes to bring them in line. Still no filters yet, but they have at least separated the DMG GB core from the GBC one so pea green is there to enjoy.

    Volume sounded OK since the update, but I generally was using carts over the original release of the cores so can't say it's fixed completely, but seemed to have headroom with the volume from the little I tried.

    Initial Tecmo core doing the rounds now with Rygar support but not tried it. Pong core out and about also.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I think I'll update so. The lack of peagreen filter was a massive issue on the GB core for me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭Mucashinto


    SNES core out now!

    Funny watching all the dev stuff from a distance, feels like it all getting a bit tetchy around porting the existing MiSTer cores. Analogue really isn't the most popular amongst them...



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    They don't like how it's not open source like mister and think it's stealing core dev from the mister. It's just another toxic fandom really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    I believe the issue is that folks who support the devs via the likes patreon, have done so for MiSTer core dev and not Analogue.

    Analogue dev might lead to more support for the devs I guess



  • Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭Mucashinto


    Yeah I can see both sides tbh. Analogue are probably trying to have their cake and eat it a bit with it all being a bit open in mainly one direction but then MiSTer has a bit of previous as well I think (Jotego's cores aren't part of the main branch because of similar enough stuff right?).

    Tricky situation, hopefully it irons out over time. Genuinely don't want to be using a core the original dev doesn't want on it but not sure how long I could hold out tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,756 ✭✭✭Inviere


    I'm all for developers getting paid for their time/skill investments, that goes for software and hardware emulation alike. Patreon and such are perfect for that purpose.

    Generally, I'm not overly fond of closed source ecosystems though (in context). If Analogue want to maintain a walled garden, ideally it shouldn't come at the cost of the open source community. Hopefully it balances out over time.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    They aren't really operating a walled garden, the system is open source with the entry being the purchase of the system. It's the same deal with Mister but as said the issue is people paying patreons for mister core dev feel that the core developers are wasting time on analogue and not the mister dev they are paying for.

    As for the SNES core, I probably won't mess around with it yet, happy enough with SNES through retroarch but it's impressive how far they've come. It's running SA-1 games which took a long time to crack previously.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭Mucashinto


    My thing is mainly with a 3rd party porting someone else's core, hadn't considered this would be the main release method tbh. I think some of the original devs are feeling their work is being passed off as Analogue's or whatever. I've subbed to Jotego but he seems to be on a bit of a go-slow regarding the Pocket. He's probably lucky more people don't have the device imo or otherwise what would stop someone else porting them over? Technically that's the open-source way, right.

    Do think/hope a lot of it is just teething pains and was always going to happen as soon as any alternative to MiSTer arrived, but it's getting a bit tribal alright. Nothing wrong with that I suppose and I can see why people may just ideologically oppose Analogue and prefer the more open source MiSTer. It does seem to be a bit more of a 'community'.

    Must be a problem with all emulation I guess - all these Chinese devices selling themselves pre-loaded with emulators etc. I think Analogue could do a bit more if they want to limit some of the pushback but they're also selling a fairly powerful FPGA system at a price no-one else is even coming close to so it's not black & white either. Best solution would be a fully open alternative but not sure how feasible that would be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,756 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Ah I get you, I misunderstood the whole thing as fpga news isn't something I follow closely currently. If Analogue is open source, then the devs work will filter back to Mister anyway no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    Yup, it will once there is a demand and Analogue support the dev community.

    I wonder what happens with Analogues new openness if some resourseful company/soul releases open FPGA HW as a Mister Ver.2 with a screen, which is cheaper than Analogue but comparable :)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Analogue has the advantage of the build quality, screen and OS. All the chinese want to do is pump out handheld devices with mobile chipsets and rely on android emulation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Cores are progressing nicely which is nice to see, but in other news from Analogue, it looks like the adapters are well into 2023 with Q3 mentioned as a shipping date elsewhere. Some obviously would question the need at this point given core development, but it'd be nice to have the use of the original carts even if the PC Engine and others get covered


    01. Pocket Preorders — 95% of all open preorders (B & C) will ship before the end of 2022.

    02. Pocket Cartridge Adapters — will be available for preorder for $99 on Oct 21st.


    One other unrelated bit is another run of the Super NT and Mega SG for eejits to scalp


    03. Super Nt and Mega Sg — the final run. We’re making one last run of Super Nts and Mega Sgs and they will be available for preorder for $199 on Oct 28th.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    There's not really good Neo Geo Pocket emulators so I'm hoping the Analogue core will be a marked improvement over what is currently out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,756 ✭✭✭Inviere


    What makes you say that? I was under the impression that Mednafen, and in particular, Ares, had the NGP very nicely covered no?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Ah ok, I think it was about 2 years ago I last tried and NGP was very flakey to the point of feeling very wrong. Didn't know Ares had made some big improvements. I'd say the analogue core will probably be based off it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,259 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    You know I've never really been too interested in a Super NT or Mega SG, but with the phrase 'last run' it has me taking notice...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I figure they will have a successor coming up. Can't see them dropping quite a popular item.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,259 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    A move over into the world of CD systems perhaps? Analogue Play ST and Saturn SG?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Colonel Panic


    Theyre supposed to be releasing a PC Engine Duo clone with a CD ROM drive at some point!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,633 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    There are one each on Adverts, the seller is looking for €300 a piece, which seems a little high for a second hand item that can still be bought at retail, as the Americans would say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Aye, but then again, Analogue do be quite fond of using 'the last run' term in the past before magically having more.

    That said, the Super NT and Mega SG are far more popular than the likes of the Mini NT they tried that trick with, so who knows. Lovely devices though, and offer a foot in both that retro and modern that is hard to top. The MiSTer's all-emcompassing usability is fantastic and all, but I do prefer playing my Sega and Nintendo stuff on these devices. So much that I retired the originals to the box.

    I'd imagine they'll be snapped up even with a year lead time, certainly the Super NT anyway as the SG was quite gettable only 9 months back or so for anyone who wanted one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Yeah...all gone quiet on that front. If anything, the scarcity and long lead times of their other offerings probably indicates how difficult it is to put a proper roadmap. Difficult for the big boys, never mind a niche operation like theirs.

    Still very much a presence on the website so perhaps it'll be addressed down the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Colonel Panic


    They’d be as well off focussing on the Pocket plus dock and adapters and calm down with new hardware, especially when they’re getting people to pay up front!

    I do recommend the SuperNT though, a lovely machine (and instrumental in getting me back into retro gaming).



  • Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭Mucashinto


    Just guessing but I'm thinking they're going to go for a multi-system type home console with cart adaptors. Could even be just the Pocket board inside a different case so fully compatible with the OS and existing core ports maybe. Play everything up to SNES/MD and buy whatever adaptors you want real carts for.

    If anyone's getting a Pocket soon you're going to love it. New cores all the time, consoles and classic arcade, and by Christmas should have all the main 8/16 bit consoles perfect I'd say. A couple of good update-scripts options to use as well, makes it a whole lot easier to grab everything and gets the modified arcade roms you need.

    Given up following any dev issues/drama, it's all a bit gas tbh. Jotego's hard-locking his releases to the specific id of your device going forward (complaining that Analogue wouldn't pay him...), there's 2 NES cores on it now (Kevtris'/Analogue's and a MiSTer port) etc. I'm sure there's more going on but I can't concern myself with the tribulations of the higher beings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 236 ✭✭SmurfX


    I got my shipment notice earlier this week and e-mail from FedEx today demanding €139 in custom fees, broken down to VAT, "other charges" and Disbursement like others seem to have got a few pages back.

    What's the advice for those who've received this before? They demand payment in 7 days, should I not pay this and wait for a paper invoice in the post? I've mailed them querying the fee but not sure when I'll hear back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭Mucashinto


    Personally, I'd say wait. They'll deliver it to you regardless and you don't have to pay anything without a proper invoice - not sure what these emails are classed as, I'd guess it says something like 'estimated charges' somewhere.

    Others may have experience that it always works out the same in the end, anything you're overcharged here will be refunded etc., but I've always waited.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Got my email to say shipping is being prepared. Cut off date for address updates is Nov 20th so hopefully I have it before Christmas.

    In saying that the Playdate cut address cut off was Oct 3rd and still no sign of that. :(



  • Registered Users Posts: 236 ✭✭SmurfX


    Just an update to this for anyone else who might get this in future: I didn't pay it and they delivered the item on schedule anyway. Two weeks later I got a postal invoice and the amount was just €70 so it's definitely wise to wait and not pay the initial charge.



  • Registered Users Posts: 713 ✭✭✭LeeroyJ.


    I also got an invoice for 70EUR. I miss the days when 3/5 deliveries would slip through customs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Mine has shipped, it's with FedEx now. Im just waiting on the customs fee now. You would think the $60 shipping fee had it built in as it was so high.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Abram Little Lambaste


    Interested in one of these. So it's around €270 and then a €70 customs charge? Are these really worth €340?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    It's steep but I absolutely adore mine. I get an awful lot of play out of it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 713 ✭✭✭LeeroyJ.


    Only you can decide, unlikely to ever be released in a manor that would exclude importing. Personally, It's worth it even if its steep.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Abram Little Lambaste


    Put a pre-order in. Probably be this time next year before I get one....I have no idea how much of a backlog there is! From reading back a page or two here it seems the advice is not to pay Fedex's initial custom charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Mine is in the country. Was on a FedEx truck yesterday due for delivery before 6. Sat in all day waiting as they have a bad habit of leaving packages out in the rain.

    Got to 4:30 and the status updated to back at the FedEx facility and no delivery attempt made.

    No change today, looks to be just sitting there. So not sure what is happening with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 713 ✭✭✭LeeroyJ.


    Every delivery with FedEx is like this for me in Dublin. It's always a few days later than expected. Once it reaches Santry and clears customs, it sits there for a couple more days. If I urgently want a delivery, I give them a ring, and then it shows up next day. Otherwise, I leave it and get it a couple of days later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Just got delivered. 9.40 at night. Seemed to be some random guy in a van. They must be under pressure and outsourcing it.


    Anyway no import fee letter. Not sure if it will be coming later in the post but I'd be delighted if it didn't.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 410 ✭✭Robert Nairac


    Any suggestions for alternatives to the Pocket? I'm just looking for something that would play GB/GBC/GBA and 16 bit games also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,756 ✭✭✭Inviere


    There are currently no fpga based handheld alternatives to the Pocket, so you're going to be looking at software emulation, and depending on the device/specs, there's going to be wildly differing experiences.

    Something like a cheap Chinese handheld is going to employ ancient emulation cores, and likely have noticeable build quality issues/input latency/low quality screens etc. One the other end of the spectrum is something like a Steamdeck, but that comes at a premium price.

    There's likely a nice middle ground somewhere, but I'm not hugely up on emulation based handhelds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭Mr.Saturn


    Anbernic or Retroid Pocket would be your best bet. Build quality is generally high and you shouldn’t have any issue getting something that’ll emulate those consoles for an affordable price. I’m using an Anbernic RG351MP and it’s been a lifesaver for older libraries. It’s also a beautiful beast of a console too, so that always helps.



  • Registered Users Posts: 410 ✭✭Robert Nairac


    Thank you. Is it able to run PS1/N64/Saturn games well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭Mr.Saturn


    351mp would only do up to PS1 reliably, less so N64 and, Saturn emulation is generally ropey no matter the device (has that changed?) Devices from the last year or so like the Pocket 3 will get you everything up to Dreamcast and PSP. It ‘supports’ later systems like GameCube but run like arse mostly.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Saturn emulation is in an amazing state at the moment. Been throwing everything at the Beetle core on RetroArch and it's to my eyes indistinguishable from the base console.

    You do however need a beast of a CPU to run it and a handheld device isn't going to cut it. So outside of a monster pc you can forget about Saturn. PS1 and N64 will work just they will be highly inaccurate and may need some fiddling with settings in the case of ps1. If you aren't a pedant like me it's probably not something that will bother you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,756 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Indeed, as @Retr0gamer says, Saturn emulation has come a looooooong way over the last 24 months or so. It's in great shape. Similarly, the Saturn Mister core is trucking along in terms of active development too, and I'd say within 2023 it'll be as near as makes no difference to be being perfect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭Mr.Saturn


    I'd still recommend you'd check out the new gen Anbernic and Retroid gear as I think even you'd be surprised how far these things are coming along, though there's still obvious a fair few compromises. RetroGameCorps did a massive breakdown on the Pocket 3 and it was impressive enough I was half-thinking of swapping out my 351MP (I can't though, it's so metal and sexy).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05k0409SQpQ



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I've got the analogue pocket for handheld games. For home console stuff I've gotten so used to crt filters from RetroArch that I can't go back to the blocky look so don't even bother with them on the analogue.

    I have heard they are the very good but I'm happy with my set up and know I'd never use it. Also IPS screen really puts me off.

    Post edited by Retr0gamer on


  • Registered Users Posts: 410 ✭✭Robert Nairac


    I am conflicted whether to go for the Retroid 3+, Anbernic rg353p, the Steam Deck or just to wait for a newer model.



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