Why do Irish people support English teams?

Omackeral · 13-07-2019 6:41pm

8-10 wrote: »

Got it sorry. As I say I think you're overestimating the amount of football mad people in the country. I think only a small % are like those people you describe.

The vast majority of lads you see wearing United and Liverpool tops are football casual. They'll watch their team but nobody else apart from MOTD and Ireland games.

They're in it only got their team, not the beauty of the sport as a whole

I can't disagree with any of that.

SHOVELLER · 22-07-2019 11:59am

8-10 wrote: »

Given that the vast majority of Chelsea fans are foreign, with huge support in places like east Asia and the USA (gaining a lot more this season with Pulisic), I'd say it's comfortable that most don't know about those teams let alone follow them.

First time I've heard about any links with those clubs

8-10 wrote: »

Yeah I'd never heard of the links before and I know basically zero about Linfield and their fans

Honestly your lack of knowledge of the game and its culture is staggering to the point of weariness.

Anyway I really enjoyed our Europa win over SK Brann. In Norway at the game there were people from that town:rolleyes:

Bonniedog · 22-07-2019 12:22pm

Anyone living in Birmingham who supports Liverpool or Man U would be considered a bit of an oddball, unless they were actually from Liverpool or Manchester and moved there!

Same applies in towns that have teams further down the pecking order.

As someone else said, people follow their own county in GAA, not some team that happens to be more successful at the time.

Same applies to LOI. People from Cork with interest in LOI do not follow Dundalk or Bohs. Would be considered very strange behaviour indeed as it is based on no connection to those places or teams.

Thelonious Monk · 22-07-2019 12:26pm

Imagine being from Kerry but supporting dublin because me uncle used to work on the sites there in the 70s and brought me back programs nall, lol

Hamsterchops · 22-07-2019 8:49pm

People from all over the world follow football teams from the English Premiership . . . .fans feel a real affinity with their teams too, often passing on their club support from father to son.

I think it's rather harmless and normal to support teams from (debatably) the best football premiership in the world.

odyssey06 · 22-07-2019 8:58pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Imagine being from Kerry but supporting dublin because me uncle used to work on the sites there in the 70s and brought me back programs nall, lol

Lots of people from Kerry follow English soccer teams and cheer on Kerry in the All Ireland football.
And they might cheer on Kilkenny or Tipperary or Galway in the All Ireland hurling.
The soccer or hurling team they choose might be picked for fairly arbitrary reasons. No more arbitrary than where you happened to be born.

D14Rugby · 22-07-2019 9:00pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

People from all over the world follow football teams from the English Premiership . . . .fans feel a real affinity with their teams too, often passing on their club support from father to son.

I think it's rather harmless and normal to support teams from (debatably) the best football premiership in the world.

Actually the finances of many many football clubs say otherwise. Clubs all over the world are struggling financially despite record breaking amounts of money being involved in football these days because people would rather pay through the nose for Sky Sports than watch their local club. So it's anything but harmless and that's before you get onto the knock on effects.

odyssey06 · 22-07-2019 9:09pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

Actually the fiances of many many football clubs say otherwise. Clubs all over the world are struggling financially despite record breaking amounts of money being involved in football these days because people would rather pay through the nose for Sky Sports than watch their local club. So it's anything but harmless and that's before you get onto the knock on effects.

If it's a global phenomenon, then the premise of this thread is false and there's nothing exceptional about Irish people's support for non domestic leagues, or nothing distinctly Oirish about it.

D14Rugby · 22-07-2019 9:17pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

If it's a global phenomenon, then the premise of this thread is false and there's nothing exceptional about Irish people's support for non domestic leagues, or nothing distinctly Oirish about it.

Irish people are the second biggest group of nationalities at EPL games (By a huge distance too), the biggest? British. At the same time we have one of the lowest attendance per capita for our own league in Europe. We may not be the only ones, but we are the worst perpetrators.

Greyfox · 22-07-2019 10:00pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

Actually the fiances of many many football clubs say otherwise. Clubs all over the world are struggling financially despite record breaking amounts of money being involved in football these days because people would rather pay through the nose for Sky Sports than watch their local club. So it's anything but harmless and that's before you get onto the knock on effects.

Everyone should try live football as it can be a really brilliant experience but if you've grown up in a world where you just watched great football on tv every week your not going to see any harm as your not invested in local football. if people want to pay stupid money to sky it's there money to spend, it's not there fault everyone around them watches the EPL

D14Rugby · 22-07-2019 10:08pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Everyone should try live football as it can be a really brilliant experience but if you've grown up in a world where you just watched great football on tv every week your not going to see any harm as your not invested in local football. if people want to pay stupid money to sky it's there money to spend, it's not there fault everyone around them watches the EPL

To quote many an Irish mammy throughout time "If everyone else was jumping off a cliff would you jump too"

I'd say you're not invested in football if you just watch on tv.

Guy:Incognito · 22-07-2019 10:23pm

I grew up in the 80's , touring the countrys grounds as my dad played LOI B. He didnt go to LOI games or follow it. He was born (literally, in the flats on Galtymore Road) and raised in Drimnagh, so a stones throw from Richmond. He was a Chelsea fan all his life.

At some stage in the 80's on one of my yearly holidays to viist my mams side of the family in Germany (possibly while we were at Euro 88 when I was 7) my cousin (German, from Stuttgart, very close to the Neckar stadium at the time) gave me one of his Liverpool Jerseys (red Crown Paints). I've been a Liverpool fan since.

Ireland is a very cheap hop to England. Theres still plenty of other foreigners at games though. Always plenty of Norwegians in Liverpool.

Lady Spangles · 22-07-2019 11:03pm

I really am from Liverpool and, if I must support a team, it'd be Liverpool.

However, I feel compelled to point out this is not just an Ireland thing. My older brother travelled around Thailand back in the late 90s and when he got back he was moaning about kids over there all supporting Manchester United and banging on to him about David Beckham (playing for Man U at that time). I have a friend who was born and raised in Norway and her and her whole family are Liverpool supporters. I have no idea why, but there it is. I remember my Dad saying once that, back in the 70s, Nottingham Forest was the team non-English people always seemed to support. These teams are inexplicably huge.

Bonniedog · 22-07-2019 11:07pm

There is very funny video on utube of Chinese West Ham supporters singing I'm forever Blowing Bubbles.

It's funny, but rather pathetic when you think of it.

Not making any associations of course!

Edgware · 22-07-2019 11:10pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I grew up in the 80's , touring the countrys grounds as my dad played LOI B. He didnt go to LOI games or follow it. He was born (literally, in the flats on Galtymore Road) and raised in Drimnagh, so a stones throw from Richmond. He was a Chelsea fan all his life.

At some stage in the 80's on one of my yearly holidays to viist my mams side of the family in Germany (possibly while we were at Euro 88 when I was 7) my cousin (German, from Stuttgart, very close to the Neckar stadium at the time) gave me one of his Liverpool Jerseys (red Crown Paints). I've been a Liverpool fan since.

Ireland is a very cheap hop to England. Theres still plenty of other foreigners at games though. Always plenty of Norwegians in Liverpool.

Norwegians?
Maybe it's because they both have whinging accents

D14Rugby · 22-07-2019 11:15pm

Lady Spangles wrote: »

I really am from Liverpool and, if I must support a team, it'd be Liverpool.

However, I feel compelled to point out this is not just an Ireland thing. My older brother travelled around Thailand back in the late 90s and when he got back he was moaning about kids over there all supporting Manchester United and banging on to him about David Beckham (playing for Man U at that time). I have a friend who was born and raised in Norway and her and her whole family are Liverpool supporters. I have no idea why, but there it is. I remember my Dad saying once that, back in the 70s, Nottingham Forest was the team non-English people always seemed to support. These teams are inexplicably huge.

Nobody is denying that it happens all over the world, the Irish are just the worst for it while simultaneously calling themselves the best fans in the world and moaning about Irish football going backwards (newsflash that's happening because domestic football here is completely ignored and laughed at when they raise these issues I.e. Delaney). 800,000 foreigners go to EPL games, 120,000+ of these are Irish, 90,000 Norwegian, next country is on 50,000. The difference is the Norwegians also get 50,000 a week on average at the domestic games though, we're lucky to get into the teens. Standard isn't a factor here as Rovers have shown the past week so what's the issue? Norway population is only a couple hundred thousand more than ours so that's not it either. Its a simple one, we're far from the best fans in the world, we're among the worst and that's the inconvenient truth

Lady Spangles · 22-07-2019 11:17pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

Nobody is denying that it happens all over the world, the Irish are just the worst for it while simultaneously calling themselves the best fans in the world and moaning about Irish football going backwards (newsflash that's happening because domestic football here is completely ignored and laughed at when they raise these issues I.e. Delaney). 800,000 foreigners go to EPL games, 120,000+ of these are Irish, 90,000 Norwegian, next country is on 50,000. The difference is the Norwegians also get 50,000 a week on average at the domestic games though, we're lucky to get into the teens. Standard isn't a factor here as Rovers have shown the past week so what's the issue? Norway population is only a couple hundred thousand more than ours so that's not it either. Its a simple one, we're far from the best fans in the world, we're among the worst and that's the inconvenient truth

I'll be honest and admit I find it difficult to care about football as a whole. But surely, if people are football fans, then it's okay for them to support both a local team and a large international team? I'm sorry if I sound naive here.

D14Rugby · 22-07-2019 11:20pm

Lady Spangles wrote: »

I'll be honest and admit I find it difficult to care about football as a whole. But surely, if people are football fans, then it's okay for them to support both a local team and a large international team? I'm sorry if I sound naive here.

Yeah and it has been said many times by fans of LOI clubs by all means do that, the problem is Irish people completely ignore the local team part. By all means support Manchester United on the Sunday but also support Cork City on the Friday.

Greyfox · 23-07-2019 12:25am

D14Rugby wrote: »

I'd say you're not invested in football if you just watch on tv.

Nonsense, sky make a fortune from Irish football fans BECAUSE there very deeply invested in football on tv. Football on tv is one of the biggest things Irish men have in common with other men

D14Rugby · 23-07-2019 12:37am

Greyfox wrote: »

Nonsense, sky make a fortune from Irish football fans BECAUSE there very deeply invested in football on tv. Football on tv is one of the biggest things Irish men have in common with other men

Spending money and time on something doesn't make you invested, not in football especially, it's emotional investment, people that just watch on TV don't have that nervous wreck of a week building up to a derby where if you work with a fan of the other team you won't talk to each other or the fact that losing an important game doesn't just sting for a few hours or get annoying on twitter, it ruins your week at least. Spending stupid money on sky and a few hours in the pub each weekend and maybe liking a few tweets isn't investment. Remortgaging your house and taking out personal loans to save your club, organising bus's to away games, offering to help on match day, that's investment.

liatroimabu · 23-07-2019 12:55am

TV is the main culprit here, outside of those living in the locality of an LOI team, the only access to club football was MOTD and in later years live premier league games on sky etc. So a parent starts watching motd as a kid back in the 70s/80s and then passes on whatever team they grew fond of to the next of kin.

Theres a reason Liverpool and Man united are the two biggest supported clubs in Ireland, look who was successful in the 80s and who was successful in the 90s and into the 00s.

That being said, if RTE gave a flying **** about LOI down through the years it would have a larger following, I don't think it ever will or ever would have overtaken the english support but it'd be a hell of a lot better than it is.

Just look at the build up of support/popularity over the past 10 years with social media when people can reliably follow teams without the need for RTE to give it to them. Imagine what it could have been like if people had any sort of readily available or reliable access to the games without actually being there over the past 30/40 years instead of just ten.

Greyfox · 23-07-2019 1:00am

D14Rugby wrote: »

Spending money and time on something doesn't make you invested, not in football especially, it's emotional investment, people that just watch on TV don't have that nervous wreck of a week building up to a derby where if you work with a fan of the other team you won't talk to each other or the fact that losing an important game doesn't just sting for a few hours or get annoying on twitter, it ruins your week at least. Spending stupid money on sky and a few hours in the pub each weekend and maybe liking a few tweets isn't investment. Remortgaging your house and taking out personal loans to save your club, organising bus's to away games, offering to help on match day, that's investment.

Irish fans of the EPL have an obvious emotional investment in there English team, this can be clearly seen by the hours they spend each week talking about there club and listening to/reading analysis, they dont just watch the match. The Liverpool/Man Utd rivalry is very strong in Ireland, there's definitely been cases of fans of the losing team trying to avoid fans of the other team after a loss. It's not the same level of investment but it's still investment.

D14Rugby · 23-07-2019 1:04am

Greyfox wrote: »

Irish fans of the EPL have an obvious emotional investment in there English team, this can be clearly seen by the hours they spend each week talking about there club and listening to/reading analysis, they dont just watch the match. The Liverpool/Man Utd rivalry is very strong in Ireland, there's definitely been cases of fans of the losing team trying to avoid fans of the other team after a loss. It's not the same level of investment but it's still investment.

Pull the other one, the rivalry is so strong they watch the match in the same pub... And that's not emotional investment that's time and it's barely even that.

Greyfox · 23-07-2019 11:04am

D14Rugby wrote: »

Pull the other one, the rivalry is so strong they watch the match in the same pub... And that's not emotional investment that's time and it's barely even that.

And that's a good thing, you should be able to watch a match in a pub with rival fans. The people who can't are usually the football fans who enjoy causing trouble and getting into fights and the people who do this are idiots rather than football fans.

It's emotional investment, even a blind man would be able to tell you this.
When you see a grown man shout at football on a tv screen that IS an emotional reaction. When a man gets irritated by what his wife says after his team loses or when a guy spends all evening talking about his team there all examples of emotional investment. I appreciate that you cant understand why these 3 things can happen to a EPL fan but everyone knows that they do happen.

D14Rugby · 23-07-2019 11:22am

Greyfox wrote: »

And that's a good thing, you should be able to watch a match in a pub with rival fans. The people who can't are usually the football fans who enjoy causing trouble and getting into fights and the people who do this are idiots rather than football fans.

It's emotional investment, even a blind man would be able to tell you this.
When you see a grown man shout at football on a tv screen that IS an emotional reaction. When a man gets irritated by what his wife says after his team loses or when a guy spends all evening talking about his team there all examples of emotional investment. I appreciate that you cant understand why these 3 things can happen to a EPL fan but everyone knows that they do happen.

Who mentioned anything about trouble? It's about the fact you can't stand to see their faces if the unthinkable happens and they score or win. Same principle as going to the pub with your mates and not with dickheads you can't stand.

It's not emotional investment, to even dare put it in the same bracket as people that follow their own local club week in week out through good and bad is quite frankly insulting. Following your local team is a marriage of love and passion, following an EPL team is one of convenience.

Edgware · 23-07-2019 11:54am

Who are WE playing in our first game? FFS

Greyfox · 23-07-2019 12:26pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

Who mentioned anything about trouble? It's about the fact you can't stand to see their faces if the unthinkable happens and they score or win. Same principle as going to the pub with your mates and not with dickheads you can't stand.

It's not emotional investment, to even dare put it in the same bracket as people that follow their own local club week in week out through good and bad is quite frankly insulting. Following your local team is a marriage of love and passion, following an EPL team is one of convenience.

Yes ideally you'd rather not watch with rival fans but people have mates that support the other team and sometimes your in a position where you end up watching a match with a friend, you should be able to sit in a pub with them if the situation arises. Of course it's emotional investment and I do dare, loads of EPL fans in Ireland love there team just as much as you love your team. We don't choose who we fall in love with and loads of Irish people have fallen in love with an EPL team. People don't all like the same thing.

8-10 · 23-07-2019 12:53pm

Edgware wrote: »

Who are WE playing in our first game? FFS

Depends who you support. We play Norwich in the league first game but next game is a friendly against Sporting and there's the community shield game v City before the League campaign starts.

8-10 · 23-07-2019 1:00pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Yes ideally you'd rather not watch with rival fans but people have mates that support the other team and sometimes your in a position where you end up watching a match with a friend, you should be able to sit in a pub with them if the situation arises. Of course it's emotional investment and I do dare, loads of EPL fans in Ireland love there team just as much as you love your team. We don't choose who we fall in love with and loads of Irish people have fallen in love with an EPL team. People don't all like the same thing.

Blindboy said the same on his podcast last week.

Basically said that if he is criticising somebody for having fun in a different way than he has fun then it's a viewpoint he realises he has to change.

He was talking about criticising people for following instagram influencers but also mentioned how he doesn't follow soccer and used to laugh at people who liked it.

Honestly I remember my own adolescence having similar criticisms of people but I think any reasonable person grows out of it and eventually realises that some people enjoy doing things in a different way, or enjoy different things, to themselves.

If you believe some views here you'd think that as a fan of an EPL team we should just be going around feeling embarrassed at ourselves or like less of a fan than others.

Really we just really enjoy supporting our team. Does it hurt you? From the sounds of it - yes it does. But should it hurt you? No, but it's probably something you'll grow out of.

Omackeral · 23-07-2019 1:02pm

8-10 wrote: »

Blindboy said the same on his podcast last week.

Basically said....

Nope.

8-10 · 23-07-2019 1:14pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Nope.

Enlighten me then, what did he say? I was paraphrasing from memory

Omackeral · 23-07-2019 1:47pm

8-10 wrote: »

Enlighten me then, what did he say? I was paraphrasing from memory

Oh you've taken me up wrong. I'm saying "nope" to the whole idea of listening to the self-righteousness that is Blindboy and his masturbatory topics of discussion on a podcast.

D14Rugby · 23-07-2019 1:51pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Yes ideally you'd rather not watch with rival fans but people have mates that support the other team and sometimes your in a position where you end up watching a match with a friend, you should be able to sit in a pub with them if the situation arises. Of course it's emotional investment and I do dare, loads of EPL fans in Ireland love there team just as much as you love your team. We don't choose who we fall in love with and loads of Irish people have fallen in love with an EPL team. People don't all like the same thing.

And that's my point if you're emotionally invested in a team you don't "watch with your mates that support rivals" go to Manchester and find me a single pub on derby day with people from Manchester who support either club watching the match together, same with any other rivalry, go to any pub where locals watch the match and you won't see mixing.

8-10 wrote: »

Blindboy said the same on his podcast last week.

Basically said that if he is criticising somebody for having fun in a different way than he has fun then it's a viewpoint he realises he has to change.

He was talking about criticising people for following instagram influencers but also mentioned how he doesn't follow soccer and used to laugh at people who liked it.

Honestly I remember my own adolescence having similar criticisms of people but I think any reasonable person grows out of it and eventually realises that some people enjoy doing things in a different way, or enjoy different things, to themselves.

If you believe some views here you'd think that as a fan of an EPL team we should just be going around feeling embarrassed at ourselves or like less of a fan than others.

Really we just really enjoy supporting our team. Does it hurt you? From the sounds of it - yes it does. But should it hurt you? No, but it's probably something you'll grow out of.

Actually yes it does hurt us because we're the ones watching Irish football die, we're the ones watching people like you allow Delaney to be in power so long, we're the ones that have to put up with your complaining whenever the national team does **** about there being no players when it's because people like you ignore the domestic league, we're the ones that have to pick up the slack because you're too lazy. So yes it does ****ing hurt us.

Greyfox · 23-07-2019 3:01pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Oh you've taken me up wrong. I'm saying "nope" to the whole idea of listening to the self-righteousness that is Blindboy and his masturbatory topics of discussion on a podcast.

Life is all about opinions, I think his podcasts are superb, so much of what he says is very accurate.

D14Rugby wrote: »

And that's my point if you're emotionally invested in a team you don't "watch with your mates that support rivals" go to Manchester and find me a single pub on derby day with people from Manchester who support either club watching the match together, same with any other rivalry, go to any pub where locals watch the match and you won't see mixing.

More nonsense from fairytale land. My best mate who I lived with for 4 years supported a different English team so we had to get use to watching football together. There's also lots of people out there who have partners who support opposing teams, sometimes you end up watching together and you take the risk as if your team wins its even better when you have a fan of the losing team beside you. Sure conversations with opposing fans is more interesting anyway. Fans mix everywhere except close the home grounds, this is understandable the same way as away fans wouldnt sit amongst home fans at a match.

D14Rugby wrote: »

Actually yes it does hurt us because we're the ones watching Irish football die, we're the ones watching people like you allow Delaney to be in power so long, we're the ones that have to put up with your complaining whenever the national team does **** about there being no players when it's because people like you ignore the domestic league, we're the ones that have to pick up the slack because you're too lazy. So yes it does ****ing hurt us.

Well I think Irish football fans should keep the hurt to themselves as it's not helping anyone. Yes the Irish league is a really good league but you cant force people to support it.

Bonniedog · 23-07-2019 3:08pm

https://www.facebook.com/awaydaysatthefootball/videos/732564150479993/UzpfSTEwMDAwMjg5NDI2OTQxNDpWSzoyNDE2ODAxMTA1MjI0MDU2/

This is what some Irish EPL supporters remind me of.

D14Rugby · 23-07-2019 3:11pm

Greyfox wrote: »

More nonsense from fairytale land. My best mate who I lived with for 4 years supported a different English team so we had to get use to watching football together. There's also lots of people out there who have partners who support opposing teams, sometimes you end up watching together and you take the risk as if your team wins its even better when you have a fan of the losing team beside you. Sure conversations with opposing fans is more interesting anyway. Fans mix everywhere except close the home grounds, this is understandable the same way as away fans wouldnt sit amongst home fans at a match.

Well I think Irish football fans should keep the hurt to themselves as it's not helping anyone. Yes the Irish league is a really good league but you cant force people to support it.

Actual fans of rival teams don't mix anywhere on match day unless it's their job and even then its debatable. You and your best mate don't count.

Keeping the hurt to ourselves is how ***** like Delaney get away with taking 700,000 a year out of the game here while our national team sinks like a stone down the rankings. So don't you ever ****ing dare tell us to stop talking about the problems of Irish football just because you can't be arsed being part of the solution.

Stevieluvsye · 23-07-2019 3:15pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

Actual fans of rival teams don't mix anywhere on match day unless it's their job and even then its debatable. You and your best mate don't count.

Keeping the hurt to ourselves is how ***** like Delaney get away with taking 700,000 a year out of the game here while our national team sinks like a stone down the rankings. So don't you ever ****ing dare tell us to stop talking about the problems of Irish football just because you can't be arsed being part of the solution.

Rival fans do mix on match days so that's not a valid argument you are making and i have first hand experience of it, actually on two occasions in London

D14Rugby · 23-07-2019 3:20pm

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Rival fans do mix on match days so that's not a valid argument you are making and i have first hand experience of it, actually on two occasions in London

If you notice I specifically said rival teams. Crawley and Chelsea fans being in the same pub don't count.

Stevieluvsye · 23-07-2019 3:22pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

If you notice I specifically said rival teams. Crawley and Chelsea fans being in the same pub don't count.

Hmmm i'll still disagree

The point about the London teams i made would somewhat validate your point but i know that my brother has been in a boozer in Liverpool where both merseyside clubs fans mixed quite openly on match day

D14Rugby · 23-07-2019 3:38pm

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Hmmm i'll still disagree

The point about the London teams i made would somewhat validate your point but i know that my brother has been in a boozer in Liverpool where both merseyside clubs fans mixed quite openly on match day

I'm sure they have...

Stevieluvsye · 23-07-2019 3:41pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

I'm sure they have...

But they have.

Not sure what makes you an expert on this anyway and what facts or statistics you have to back up your claim

hetuzozaho · 23-07-2019 3:43pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Nope.

What he said makes sense though, no?

Stevieluvsye · 23-07-2019 3:47pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

I'm sure they have...

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/ShowTopic-g186337-i414-k2237977-A_good_everton_pub-Liverpool_Merseyside_England.html

I didn't even have to look past the second line on google to get someone's opinion on this, post 2

donkeykong5 · 23-07-2019 3:47pm

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Omackeral wrote: »

Nope.

What he said makes sense though, no?

Nothing he says makes sense.

Guy:Incognito · 23-07-2019 3:54pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

Actual fans of rival teams don't mix anywhere on match day unless it's their job and even then its debatable. You and your best mate don't count.

.

Only football counts for anything so? Other sports where rival fans mix without issue is somehow lesser?

I've been to Thomand park and been stood amongst Minster fans. I was in the Saracens section (bought my tickets through Saracens) for the champions cup final.

Plenty of sports can be mixed without a problem. Plenty of football fans are grown ups too. My dad word a Chelsea jersey in the Kop. Albeit under his jacket but plenty of craic was had with Liverpool fans before the game. (My uncle, a Spurs fan, was with us too, not in a jersey though, would be odd to wear a Spurs Jersey to a Liverpool - Chelsea game) They're probably not real fans either though.......

D14Rugby · 23-07-2019 4:17pm

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

But they have.

Not sure what makes you an expert on this anyway and what facts or statistics you have to back up your claim

I've said the facts fact are we're the biggest group of foreign fans to attend EPL games and have one of the lowest attendance per capita rates for our own domestic league in Europe. Embarrassing

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Only football counts for anything so? Other sports where rival fans mix without issue is somehow lesser?

I've been to Thomand park and been stood amongst Minster fans. I was in the Saracens section (bought my tickets through Saracens) for the champions cup final.

Plenty of sports can be mixed without a problem. Plenty of football fans are grown ups too. My dad word a Chelsea jersey in the Kop. Albeit under his jacket but plenty of craic was had with Liverpool fans before the game. (My uncle, a Spurs fan, was with us too, not in a jersey though, would be odd to wear a Spurs Jersey to a Liverpool - Chelsea game) They're probably not real fans either though.......

Jesus look at my name like. This thread is about football though, it's a completely different mentality.

Liverpools kop is notorious for having plastic fans in it these days, part of the reason "the anfield roar" is now a myth

8-10 · 23-07-2019 4:25pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

I'm sure they have...

I’ve been to the derby. Completely mixed everywhere.

Are you saying that fans of Everton and Liverpool are segregated into different pubs on derby day?

Greyfox · 23-07-2019 4:31pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

Actual fans of rival teams don't mix anywhere on match day unless it's their job and even then its debatable. You and your best mate don't count.

Keeping the hurt to ourselves is how ***** like Delaney get away with taking 700,000 a year out of the game here while our national team sinks like a stone down the rankings. So don't you ever ****ing dare tell us to stop talking about the problems of Irish football just because you can't be arsed being part of the solution.

I've seen them mix, so have other people. sometimes rival fans have to take public transport together for example. Ask any EPL fan and they will agree that Delaney was a useless m*ppet. You need to take you Delaney issue up with the FAI and not EPL fans. If Irish league fans are going to have an attitude about there league I will tell Irish fans to stop whinging about it.

D14Rugby · 23-07-2019 4:37pm

Greyfox wrote: »

I've seen them mix, so have other people. sometimes rival fans have to take public transport together for example. Ask any EPL fan and they will agree that Delaney was a useless m*ppet. You need to take you Delaney issue up with the FAI and not EPL fans. If Irish league fans are going to have an attitude about there league I will tell Irish fans to stop whinging about it.

Yeah claim to know he's a muppet but go back even 2 years and LOI fans were being told to shut up and put up because he's a great guy who bought cans.

"If Irish league fans are going to have an attitude about there league I will tell Irish fans to stop whinging about it."
That just doesn't make sense. An attitude with our own league? It's their by the way

Greyfox · 23-07-2019 5:32pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

That just doesn't make sense. An attitude with our own league? It's their by the way

This attitude of blaming EPL fans for the decline of the Irish league when the decline is due to Sky's clever advertising and the popularity of GAA and rugby.

Why do Irish people support English teams?

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