Ireland u20 6 nations and world championship 2021

bayern · 28-12-2020 10:28pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

was in. mistyped and he is only on loan.

he has never had a leinster contract, so not sure how this "loan" works..

He has been signed by Munster from the Leinster sub academy and is now a Munster player.

Paul Smeenus · 29-12-2020 1:03pm

Tom Stewart has a hamstring injury - hence Bradley Roberts getting his rattle onpitch.

bayern · 02-01-2021 12:19pm

2 more players who were in camp:

Lock: John Force(PBC/Munster)
Backrow: Jack Kelleher(PBC/Munster)

bayern · 02-01-2021 12:34pm

Dan Kelly not named in english u20 elite squad.

bayern · 02-01-2021 1:48pm

Potential irish u20 squad players:

LH Prop
Jack Boyle(Michaels/Leinster) - u19
George Saunderson(Sullivan/Ulster)
Mark Donnelly(CBC/Munster)
Hugo O'Malley(Blackrock/Leinster)
Aaron Rowan(Blackorck/Leinster) - u19

TH Prop
Oscar Egan(Coleraine/Ulster)
Sam Illo(Wesley/Leinster)
Ben Griffin(Castleknock/Leinster)
Paddy McAlpine(Campbell/Ulster)

Hooker
Tom Stewart(BRA/Ulster)
Lee Barron(Michaels/Leinster)
James McCormick(Dalradia/Ulster) - u19
Eoin de Buitlear(An Gaelthacht/Connacht)
Ronan Loughnane(Roscrea/Leinster)

Lock
Joe McCarthy(Blackrock/Leinster)
Mark Morrissey(Blackrock/Leinster) - u19
Harry Sheridan(Sullivan/Ulster)
Darragh Murray(Buccaneers/Connacht)
John Forde(PBC/Munster)

Backrow
Alex Soroka(Belvedere/Leinster)
Will Hickey(Michaels/Leinster)
Mark Boyle(Gorey/Leinster)
Hubert Costello(Corinthians/Connacht)
Oisin McCormack(Ballinasloe/Connacht)
Donnacha Byrne(Sligo/Connacht)
Diarmuid McCormack(Clongowes/Connacht)
Alex Kendellen(PBC/Munster)
Daniel Okeke(Ardscoil Ris/Munster)
Jack Kelleher(PBC/Munster)
Nick Greene(Bandon Grammar/Munster) - u19
Conor Moloney(Ennis RFC/Munster) - u19
Rueben Crothers(Wallace/Ulster) - u19

Scrumhalf
Nathan Doak(Wallace/Ulster)*
Conor McKee(Sullivan/Ulster)
Ben Murphy(Pres Bray/Munster)
Will Reilly(Portlaoise/Leinster)
Rob Gilsenan(St. Michaels/Leinster)
Ethan Coughlan(Ennis RFC/Munster) - u19

Outhalf
Tim Corkery(Kilkenny RFC/Leinster)
Charlie Tector(Kilkenny/Leinster) - u19
Cian Whooley(CBC/Munster)
Cathal Forde(Corinthians/Connacht)
James Humphreys(Queens/Ulster)

Outside Backs
Harry O'Riordan(CBC/Munster)
Alan Flannery(Rockwell/Munster)
Aaron Leahy(CBC/Munster)
Ben Moxham(Ballymena/Ulster)*
Conor Rankin(Campbell/Ulster)
Jude Postlethwaite(RBAI/Ulster) - u19
Ben Carson(Wallace/Ulster) - u19
Shane Jennings(Ballinasloe RFC/Connacht)
Hubert Gilvarry(Sligo RFC/Connacht)
Rory McCleane(Oughterard RFC/Connacht)
Harry Colbert(Gonzaga/Leinster)
Marcus Kiely(Newbridge/Leinster)
Karl Martin(Boyne RFC/Leinster) - u19
Jamie Osborne(Naas RFC/Leinster)
Chris Cosgrave(Michaels/Leinster)
Matt McGettrick(Terenure/Leinster)
Shane Mallon(Longford RFC-Roscrea/Leinster) - u19
Dan Kelly(Leicester Tigers)

Full academy = bold
senior appearance for a province = *

RuPi · 02-01-2021 1:52pm

Ben Carson is Under 19.

realhorrorshow · 02-01-2021 2:07pm

Minor point, Eoin de Buitléar is in the Connacht academy.

alanb92 · 02-01-2021 4:25pm

Doak and Moxham on the bench for Ulster tonight, hopefully both get decent game time.

A high number of last year's 20's have been involved for the provinces this season, which is testament to how strong a group that was. It usually takes until the following season before players are integrated. I have high hopes for this season's group as well - they should be there or thereabouts in Championship contention. It bodes very well for Ireland in the long run, having 3 u20 groups of such high quality in a row. The core of England's 2019 World Cup finalists stemmed from 3-4 years of extremely strong u20 teams in a row.

Side point, but a couple of names that stand out in England's u20 squad are Dan Lancaster (son of Stuart) and Charlie Atkinson, who has been very impressive for Wasps this season. Encouraging from an Irish perspective that Dan Kelly hasn't been included, I read an article (https://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/features/38041/young-guns-leicester-tigers-centre-dan-kelly/) recently where he stated that he intends to stay playing with Ireland - which backs up what Cian Tracey said on Twitter recently.

Do we expect that he will be overlooked though, given he is committed to an English club for the next 2 and a half years, or have there been cases in the past where players have been included in spite of that? Any exile included in recent years had been set to join an Irish province, from what I remember.

bayern · 02-01-2021 4:33pm

Assuming the 20's squad will be put into a bubble.. can't see them having Kelly flying in and out. A lot of centre options this year too.

alanb92 · 02-01-2021 5:05pm

bayern wrote: »

Assuming the 20's squad will be put into a bubble.. can't see them having Kelly flying in and out. A lot of centre options this year too.

Good point, hadn't considered that.

bayern · 02-01-2021 5:23pm

Given the covid situation it wouldn't shock me if there was no 20s six nations

alanb92 · 08-01-2021 1:07am

Ben Moxham is on the bench for Ulster again tomorrow night. He only turned 19 over the summer, so must be very highly thought of to be getting named in the 23 two weeks in a row. Especially considering older prospects such as Hayden Hyde, who looked class for the 20’s last season, are yet to make an appearance.

Anyone know much about Moxham?

Paul Smeenus · 08-01-2021 5:30am

alanb92 wrote: »

Ben Moxham is on the bench for Ulster again tomorrow night. He only turned 19 over the summer, so must be very highly thought of to be getting named in the 23 two weeks in a row. Especially considering older prospects such as Hayden Hyde, who looked class for the 20’s last season, are yet to make an appearance.

Anyone know much about Moxham?

Three weeks in a row. His first cap was against Connacht.

bayern · 08-01-2021 9:26am

alanb92 wrote: »

Ben Moxham is on the bench for Ulster again tomorrow night. He only turned 19 over the summer, so must be very highly thought of to be getting named in the 23 two weeks in a row. Especially considering older prospects such as Hayden Hyde, who looked class for the 20’s last season, are yet to make an appearance.

Anyone know much about Moxham?

played some on the wing for the 20's last year and looked out of position and raw.. came through Ballymena RFC and Ulster u18 clubs as a centre. Listed at 6'3, 97kg.

similar rise to Angus Kernohan who played senior for Ulster before getting an academy contract etc.

phog · 08-01-2021 9:39am

bayern wrote: »

he has never had a leinster contract, so not sure how this "loan" works..

He has been signed by Munster from the Leinster sub academy and is now a Munster player.

I don't know how people classify loan/full signings but when he arrived to Munster it was announced as a loan.

Locke_Lamora · 08-01-2021 10:58am

bayern wrote: »

played some on the wing for the 20's last year and looked out of position and raw.. came through Ballymena RFC and Ulster u18 clubs as a centre. Listed at 6'3, 97kg.

similar rise to Angus Kernohan who played senior for Ulster before getting an academy contract etc.

Think mcilroy played before getting an academy place as well.

nerd69 · 08-01-2021 2:36pm

Using what dan kelly's doing exactly what the irfu held ollie jager out of the squad for a few years back

bayern · 08-01-2021 2:43pm

nerd69 wrote: »

Using what dan kelly's doing exactly what the irfu held ollie jager out of the squad for a few years back

how is that?

nerd69 · 08-01-2021 3:21pm

bayern wrote: »

how is that?

I'm genuinely asking not pointing fingers at them but didn't jager sign for sarries and the irfu said you can't go to the u20 world cup unless you sign a provincial contract now

The Lost Sheep · 08-01-2021 3:24pm

nerd69 wrote: »

I'm genuinely asking not pointing fingers at them but didn't jager sign for sarries and the irfu said you can't go to the u20 world cup unless you sign a provincial contract now

That wasnt Oliver Jager.

That was Tadhg McElroy
Jager left for NZ immediately after finishing school. Didnt play in Ireland after finishing in rock

bayern · 08-01-2021 3:25pm

nerd69 wrote: »

I'm genuinely asking not pointing fingers at them but didn't jager sign for sarries and the irfu said you can't go to the u20 world cup unless you sign a provincial contract now

you are thinking of tadgh mcelroy..

But yeah Kelly turned down Connacht for Leicester while McElroy turned down Connacht for Saracens.

Only difference is Kelly is an exile, not sure if that will affect what happens. Right now i'd be surprised if the u20 6 nations went ahead next month.

Dubinusa · 08-01-2021 6:49pm

bayern wrote: »

you are thinking of tadgh mcelroy..

But yeah Kelly turned down Connacht for Leicester while McElroy turned down Connacht for Saracens.

Only difference is Kelly is an exile, not sure if that will affect what happens. Right now i'd be surprised if the u20 6 nations went ahead next month.

I think McElroy went elsewhere. I don't think he made progress with Sarries.

bayern · 08-01-2021 7:07pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

I think McElroy went elsewhere. I don't think he made progress with Sarries.

He is back playing AIL.

bayern · 09-01-2021 6:37pm

Shane Connoly(Roscrea/Leinster) another tighthead involved in camp pre-xmas.

realhorrorshow · 09-01-2021 7:32pm

bayern wrote: »

Shane Connoly(Roscrea/Leinster) another tighthead involved in camp pre-xmas.

Is that the Shane Connolly who played underage with Galwegians?

bayern · 09-01-2021 7:34pm

realhorrorshow wrote: »

Is that the Shane Connolly who played underage with Galwegians?

Yep then went to Roscrea and has played for Leinster underage. Similar path to Oisin Heffernan.

realhorrorshow · 09-01-2021 9:13pm

bayern wrote: »

Yep then went to Roscrea and has played for Leinster underage. Similar path to Oisin Heffernan.

Galwegians > Roscrea is a well trodden path alright.

The Lost Sheep · 10-01-2021 7:49pm

realhorrorshow wrote: »

Galwegians > Roscrea is a well trodden path alright.

Especially following Garbally closing boarding. Sligo Grammar is boarding but a COI school.
None of the rugby schools down southern half of province boarding.

If they were to call off the tournament in how its normally played. Would be good if they could look to play it in one location and play 4/5 games like the junior world championship at some stage of the season.

bayern · 10-01-2021 7:51pm

Likely postponement to the summer apparently.

Hands Like Flippers · 10-01-2021 9:23pm

bayern wrote: »

Likely postponement to the summer apparently.

Heard anything about the u18/19 Irish sides and fixtures?

Thanks.

Ireland u20 6 nations and world championship 2021

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