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Ireland u20 6 nations and world championship 2021

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    I'm genuinely asking not pointing fingers at them but didn't jager sign for sarries and the irfu said you can't go to the u20 world cup unless you sign a provincial contract now

    you are thinking of tadgh mcelroy..

    But yeah Kelly turned down Connacht for Leicester while McElroy turned down Connacht for Saracens.

    Only difference is Kelly is an exile, not sure if that will affect what happens. Right now i'd be surprised if the u20 6 nations went ahead next month.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    bayern wrote: »
    you are thinking of tadgh mcelroy..

    But yeah Kelly turned down Connacht for Leicester while McElroy turned down Connacht for Saracens.

    Only difference is Kelly is an exile, not sure if that will affect what happens. Right now i'd be surprised if the u20 6 nations went ahead next month.

    I think McElroy went elsewhere. I don't think he made progress with Sarries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Dubinusa wrote: »
    I think McElroy went elsewhere. I don't think he made progress with Sarries.

    He is back playing AIL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Shane Connoly(Roscrea/Leinster) another tighthead involved in camp pre-xmas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    bayern wrote: »
    Shane Connoly(Roscrea/Leinster) another tighthead involved in camp pre-xmas.

    Is that the Shane Connolly who played underage with Galwegians?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Is that the Shane Connolly who played underage with Galwegians?

    Yep then went to Roscrea and has played for Leinster underage. Similar path to Oisin Heffernan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    bayern wrote: »
    Yep then went to Roscrea and has played for Leinster underage. Similar path to Oisin Heffernan.

    Galwegians > Roscrea is a well trodden path alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Galwegians > Roscrea is a well trodden path alright.
    Especially following Garbally closing boarding. Sligo Grammar is boarding but a COI school.
    None of the rugby schools down southern half of province boarding.

    If they were to call off the tournament in how its normally played. Would be good if they could look to play it in one location and play 4/5 games like the junior world championship at some stage of the season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Likely postponement to the summer apparently.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Hands Like Flippers


    bayern wrote: »
    Likely postponement to the summer apparently.

    Heard anything about the u18/19 Irish sides and fixtures?

    Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Heard anything about the u18/19 Irish sides and fixtures?

    Thanks.

    No, I wouldn't expect there will be any though. Maybe a few camps later in the season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Kieran Campbell has succeeded Noel McNamara as head coach to the Ireland under-20 team. The 41-year-old former Ireland scrumhalf will discharge the new role in conjunction with his position as Ulster Academy manager with responsibility for the elite player development pathway in the province. Denis Leamy joins the backroom team as defence coach.

    McNamara will return to his position as Leinster rugby academy manager following a hugely successful stint in charge of the Irish 20s over the past three seasons, not just in terms of results but the manner in which his teams played - a bold, expansive style with players encouraged to take ownership on the pitch

    If 6 Nations is in summer would be good if they got more than just the 6 nations involved. If Southern Hemisphere cant be involved. Have more of the european sides like Georgia, Romania involved

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/kieran-campbell-is-the-new-ireland-under-20s-head-coach-1.4455583


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Extended squad has been selected, may be announced when they officially announce Campbell as coach, wait and see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    The Women’s Six Nations and Under-20s competitions, which are traditionally run in tandem with the men’s, are set to be postponed until April and May, with official confirmation of their delay expected on Wednesday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Championship is postponed and timings and format will be confirmed by the end of January
    https://www.irishrugby.ie/2021/01/13/womens-and-under-20-six-nations-championships-postponed/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 cgq300


    It's the right call but Hopefully they do reschedule them. I can't help but feel sorry for this bunch of lads. They already missed out on the Ireland under 19s and to possibly miss out now on the 20s too is a lot. Be worried some of them would fall by the wayside. Also the only chance a lot of them will get to represent their country. The under 20s World Championship is cancelled also. And most will be over 20 for next season. Hopefully they come up with something for this group.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    cgq300 wrote: »
    It's the right call but Hopefully they do reschedule them. I can't help but feel sorry for this bunch of lads. They already missed out on the Ireland under 19s and to possibly miss out now on the 20s too is a lot. Be worried some of them would fall by the wayside. Also the only chance a lot of them will get to represent their country. The under 20s World Championship is cancelled also. And most will be over 20 for next season. Hopefully they come up with something for this group.
    Hard to find something for them to play but would be good if the unions brought back some of the other irish teams that used to play especially on 6 nations weekends and that could allow some of these international rugby
    The 5/6 nations weekends used to see every weekend more than 6/7 internationals at various grades. Now its really only 3 with the occasional club international.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 backcamslua


    I'd say for the pack, something along the lines of:

    Donnelly Stewart ANOther
    Mccarthy Murray
    Soroka Hickey Kendellan

    I wouldn't be able to comment on tight heads. I think Kendellan came on at 7 in the dodgily streamed A game but I'd have to double check I know he's played most of his rugby up to eight.
    Would probably wait for training 35 names to be released -in time- there are minimum 2 names that will not feature -Have heard recently that A.N. Other declared for Wales! A good guide would be U18 Schools/Clubs sides 2017/2018 & U20 WC 2018 according to some sources!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Hands Like Flippers


    Would probably wait for training 35 names to be released -in time- there are minimum 2 names that will not feature -Have heard recently that A.N. Other declared for Wales! A good guide would be U18 Schools/Clubs sides 2017/2018 & U20 WC 2018 according to some sources!

    Thanks but can't quite follow.

    How can both u18 and u20 sides from same year be a guide?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 cgq300


    Would probably wait for training 35 names to be released -in time- there are minimum 2 names that will not feature -Have heard recently that A.N. Other declared for Wales! A good guide would be U18 Schools/Clubs sides 2017/2018 & U20 WC 2018 according to some sources!

    That doesn't make much sense. I don't know of any prop eligible for under 20s that's declared for Wales. And also under 20s from 3 years ago has no bearing on the team this year. Also under 18 from 2018 wouldnt be eligible for this year either?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    What a baffling comment - although I do agree that speculation on starting teams should probably be best left until some form of squad is announced. You may find issues regarding training bubbles or travelling could lead to some interesting selections


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    French team are in training camp in Portugal right now so a french 20s development side played Italys 20s today and french side won by a point with a last minute drop goal
    https://www.sixnationsrugby.com/2021/01/16/retiere-stars-as-france-under-20s-development-team-win-a-thriller/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    1. Boyle
    2. Stewart
    3. Egan
    4. Soroka
    5. McCarthy
    6. Sheridan
    7. McCormack
    8. Kendellan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    bayern wrote: »
    1. Boyle
    2. Stewart
    3. Egan
    4. Soroka
    5. McCarthy
    6. Sheridan
    7. McCormack
    8. Kendellan


    Don’t know much about Egan but soroka- 6 & darragh Murray in for Sheridan would be my only changes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭alanb92


    bayern wrote: »
    1. Boyle
    2. Stewart
    3. Egan
    4. Soroka
    5. McCarthy
    6. Sheridan
    7. McCormack
    8. Kendellan

    Sheridan played very well for Ulster in the A match on Friday. He hadn’t been one that was on my radar to start. Thought Jamie Osborne did well for Leinster, Cosgrave had a decent cameo too. I’d imagine someone with Cosgrave’s level of natural talent will kick on a lot now that he’s in with Leinster full time (and his quantity / quality of coaching has increased). The same happened Carbery, who made massive strides in the 2-3 years after leaving school.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,872 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Is Hyde still U20 this year?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 108 ✭✭Garda Kenny


    alanb92 wrote: »
    Sheridan played very well for Ulster in the A match on Friday. He hadn’t been one that was on my radar to start. Thought Jamie Osborne did well for Leinster, Cosgrave had a decent cameo too. I’d imagine someone with Cosgrave’s level of natural talent will kick on a lot now that he’s in with Leinster full time (and his quantity / quality of coaching has increased). The same happened Carbery, who made massive strides in the 2-3 years after leaving school.

    My fear about Cosgrove is that he’s neither very big nor very fast. What are his stats like against his peers? I doubt he has one very outstanding aspect to his personal stats. That can be compensated for with willpower and aggression in players but he looks timid out on the park and from what I’ve seen of him doesn’t get stuck into tackles and the physical aspect of play.

    His positives are that he’s a good passer and kicker and is good at fixing and drawing men in attack but then his decision making in defence leaves a lot to be desired. Can his positives outweigh the fact that he will be very undeveloped physically as a pro player? I have my doubts.

    The problem with judging players on the schools game is that if the player excels in one age group it doesn’t necessarily mean he will be cut out for pro rugby. The age group might not be very strong across the board and the best from one year might not even get into the SCT of the year above or below him were he born in a different year. To judge against peers is a fools errand you must put him up against professional players in other countries. I don’t fancy cosgrave coming up against a Tuilagi Raka or someone of similar size.

    Then there’s the question of where he fits in? Is he a centre? I doubt he’ll ever be big or aggressive enough to be a pro centre. Fullback he isn’t commanding enough under high balls in my view. He might get a stint on the wing but I doubt he’s fast enough for that at pro level either.

    I’m shocked at the amount of hype he has come with judging by his level of athleticism. He doesn’t have any standout attributes athletically that set him apart like great players have. I saw several equal if not better players from Newbridge in the Cup last year and several more from the back line in the Belvo semi the year he won the Cup. There’s protectionism and then there’s realism. You can protect a player but you have to back that up with a raw assessment of how they are likely to fare in the pro game.

    I hope he proves me wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    bilston wrote: »
    Is Hyde still U20 this year?

    No


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Locke_Lamora


    My fear about Cosgrove is that he’s neither very big nor very fast. What are his stats like against his peers? I doubt he has one very outstanding aspect to his personal stats. That can be compensated for with willpower and aggression in players but he looks timid out on the park and from what I’ve seen of him doesn’t get stuck into tackles and the physical aspect of play.

    His positives are that he’s a good passer and kicker and is good at fixing and drawing men in attack but then his decision making in defence leaves a lot to be desired. Can his positives outweigh the fact that he will be very undeveloped physically as a pro player? I have my doubts.

    The problem with judging players on the schools game is that if the player excels in one age group it doesn’t necessarily mean he will be cut out for pro rugby. The age group might not be very strong across the board and the best from one year might not even get into the SCT of the year above or below him were he born in a different year. To judge against peers is a fools errand you must put him up against professional players in other countries. I don’t fancy cosgrave coming up against a Tuilagi Raka or someone of similar size.

    Then there’s the question of where he fits in? Is he a centre? I doubt he’ll ever be big or aggressive enough to be a pro centre. Fullback he isn’t commanding enough under high balls in my view. He might get a stint on the wing but I doubt he’s fast enough for that at pro level either.

    I’m shocked at the amount of hype he has come with judging by his level of athleticism. He doesn’t have any standout attributes athletically that set him apart like great players have. I saw several equal if not better players from Newbridge in the Cup last year and several more from the back line in the Belvo semi the year he won the Cup. There’s protectionism and then there’s realism. You can protect a player but you have to back that up with a raw assessment of how they are likely to fare in the pro game.

    I hope he proves me wrong.

    Ireland don't generally produce quick players relative to other countries, and Cosgrave looks quicker than most we bring though to me. Looked okay under the high ball to me as well, not his best attribute but certainly not a weakness. Larmour has never been great at the back (tackling or competing in the air) but is capped, Stockdale too and Lowry at provincial level. Excellent boot which is a positive for a fullback.

    The hype around him certainly won't help I'd agree with that. Pretty thin and defence isn't great. Can be standoff-ish in attack when he'd be better making a quick run and taking contact, but that can hopefully be coached easily enough. I think he'll maybe take a little time coming through after gaining experience and developing physically (like Keenan), but I think he's a good prospect. Like what I've seen of Osbourne more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    What part of size isn’t the biggest factor in deciding a players future do people not get...


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  • UAEguy2020 wrote: »
    What part of size isn’t the biggest factor in deciding a players future do people not get...

    That's a fairly massive simplification of the comment to be fair


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    That's a fairly massive simplification of the comment to be fair

    Irish players are getting put on their ass because they are soft, nothing to do with them not being huge, not that hard to understand. If Cosgrave is made of nails he will make it with his talent.




  • UAEguy2020 wrote: »
    Irish players are getting put on their ass because they are soft, nothing to do with them not being huge, not that hard to understand. If Cosgrave is made of nails he will make it with his talent.

    Not the point. he mentioned general athleticism but as part of that he mentioned size at one point. You grabbed into that as if it's all he said and tried to paint the comment as foolish.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 108 ✭✭Garda Kenny


    UAEguy2020 wrote: »
    Irish players are getting put on their ass because they are soft, nothing to do with them not being huge, not that hard to understand. If Cosgrave is made of nails he will make it with his talent.

    He will certainly have to toughen up if he is to make it at Leinster. He’s nowhere near physical enough yet. And that’s what I’m questioning his ability to become an aggressive physical player


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Don't think anyone's claimed cosgrave is the 2nd coming of Luke Fitzgerald, who was ready for pro rugby straight from school.

    He has to develop physically like most players who join the academy and has areas in his game he can improve like all players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    If we are talking about Cosgrave being a ready made pro at 19/20 then yes he is behind, if we are talking about him being a ready made pro in the next few years he’s got time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    With his natural talent and kicking game he could have been a candidate to play scrum half but the ship has sailed on that I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    With his natural talent and kicking game he could have been a candidate to play scrum half but the ship has sailed on that I guess.

    Interesting idea. But yeah that ship sailed along time ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Purist98


    bayern wrote: »
    1. Boyle
    2. Stewart
    3. Egan
    4. Soroka
    5. McCarthy
    6. Sheridan
    7. McCormack
    8. Kendellan

    Will Hickey?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Purist98 wrote: »
    Will Hickey?

    not sure he will be pushing for a starting place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Purist98


    bayern wrote: »
    not sure he will be pushing for a starting place.

    Think he'll certainly be in the 23 as he can play 6,7 and 8.
    Daniel Okeke in contention?
    Also what would be your backline prediction?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    I wouldn't be so certain Hickey will make 23, will have to wait and see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭stellenbosch


    UAEguy2020 wrote: »
    If we are talking about Cosgrave being a ready made pro at 19/20 then yes he is behind, if we are talking about him being a ready made pro in the next few years he’s got time.

    Interesting comments-when he came on he looked very tentative with ball in hand and actually dropped the ball twice while carrying


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    Interesting comments-when he came on he looked very tentative with ball in hand and actually dropped the ball twice while carrying

    Which can happen as he is only 19 and human, the more game time he gets the better he will handle his nerves, he’s got time. At the same time I also thought he looked pretty dangerous when he didn’t drop the ball and looked one of the few backs that might make something happen (granted that wouldn’t be difficult considering Osborne and to an extent O’Reilly were the only backs that looked threatening).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Possible irish u20 backline

    9. Doak
    10. Corkery
    11. Rankin
    12. Carson
    13. Kiely
    14. Moxham
    15. Osborne

    Or

    9. Murphy
    10. Whooley
    11. Leahy
    12. Flannery
    13. Jennings
    14. McGettrick
    15. Cosgrave


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    bayern wrote: »
    Possible irish u20 backline

    9. Doak
    10. Corkery
    11. Rankin
    12. Carson
    13. Kiely
    14. Moxham
    15. Osborne

    Or

    9. Murphy
    10. Whooley
    11. Leahy
    12. Flannery
    13. Jennings
    14. McGettrick
    15. Cosgrave

    From a Connacht point of view I'll be disappointed if Shane Jennings doesn't start, given that he has spent 1.5 seasons as a full academy player and is our most naturally talented back since Robbie Henshaw.

    You reckon Karl Martin won't be in contention?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Moxham looks like the business. He looks physically ready could be a top level talent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    From a Connacht point of view I'll be disappointed if Shane Jennings doesn't start, given that he has spent 1.5 seasons as a full academy player and is our most naturally talented back since Robbie Henshaw.

    You reckon Karl Martin won't be in contention?

    Martin's played very little to any rugby.

    But who knows, these are wild guesses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 GURU NR 1


    bayern wrote: »
    1. Boyle
    2. Stewart
    3. Egan
    4. Soroka
    5. McCarthy
    6. Sheridan
    7. McCormack
    8. Kendellan


    If anyone had seen last years u19 Interpros, Leinster's front row of Sam Illo and Hugo O'Malley were clearly the dominant props, expect both to feature


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    GURU NR 1 wrote: »
    If anyone had seen last years u19 Interpros, Leinster's front row of Sam Illo and Hugo O'Malley were clearly the dominant props, expect both to feature

    Illo was in recent ireland u20 camp, no sign of O'Malley though.


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