GAA Infastructure

nice_guy80 · 11-06-2013 1:09pm

munchkin_utd wrote: »

a lot of other counties built similar facilities with the windfall from the renting out of croke park.
It might be something to list here along with the provincial centres which were built and only opened very recently.

what money did the likes of Roscommon, Westmeath, Offaly and others get from Croke Park??

munchkin_utd · 11-06-2013 1:34pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

what money did the likes of Roscommon, Westmeath, Offaly and others get from Croke Park??

wasnt that what I was asking ?

Anyhow, there was 35million of income from the renting of croke park and that was all to be spent on infrastructre projects across the country as part of a 100million investment programme in infrastructure
http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2010/0219/sport/gaa-reveals-new-euro100m-funding-blueprint-for-infrastructure-projects-112573.html

a list of the exact projects was on the hogan stand but is now gone

EDIT: each county got a minimum of 250,000 each to spend on one off club or county projects and anyone with plans/ initiative could apply for more. There was also a pot of money for regional projects like the 8million connacht centre of excellence in Ballyhaunis which is handy to all counties in the province.

munchkin_utd · 24-07-2013 2:51pm

more details on Pairc Ui Caoimh are emerging.

A planning application for the €67m redevelopment of Páirc Uí Chaoimh will be lodged in October.
In advance of the planning application the Cork County GAA Board have published images of how the stadium will look once it is complete.

These pictures show how Páirc Uí Chaoimh, which opened in 1976, will be redeveloped into a 45,000 seater venue with two new covered stands, new dressing rooms, a pre-match warm up area, medical facilities, restaurants, meeting and conference rooms, media facilities, museum, new and additional turnstiles, the elimination of the existing stadium tunnels and the creation of new access and exit points for fans.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2013/07/17/gaa-to-lodge-pairc-ui-chaoimh-plans-in-october/

iDave · 24-07-2013 2:57pm

So are they just redeveloping one grandstand and putting a roof over the other and leaving the terraces behind the goals as they are?

munchkin_utd · 24-07-2013 3:02pm

iDave wrote: »

So are they just redeveloping one grandstand and putting a roof over the other and leaving the terraces behind the goals as they are?

nope, " new dressing rooms, a pre-match warm up area, medical facilities, restaurants, meeting and conference rooms, media facilities, museum, new and additional turnstiles, the elimination of the existing stadium tunnels and the creation of new access and exit points for fans."

plus:
"The Centre of Excellence will include an all weather pitch outside the stadium and will be used by the Cork County and development squads and will also be offered as a facility for local clubs and schools."
plus
"The back of the new covered stand (will have) a viewing area for 1,000 spectators and embedded floodlighting for the new all weather pitch. "

EDIT, theres also a whole park area that is being developed which is currently wasteland/ an old fairgrounds or something.

Jimminy Mc Fukhead · 24-07-2013 3:28pm

What's the difference between a meeting room and a conference room?

Tom Joad · 24-07-2013 3:34pm

Jimminy Mc Fukhead wrote: »

What's the difference between a meeting room and a conference room?

You get tea and biscuits at a meeting but you get a meal at a conference:D

Meeting room is usually smaller with basic facilities - conference room is bigger and has AV/communications equipment.

Thinkstoomuch · 24-07-2013 3:48pm

munchkin_utd wrote: »

nope, " new dressing rooms, a pre-match warm up area, medical facilities, restaurants, meeting and conference rooms, media facilities, museum, new and additional turnstiles, the elimination of the existing stadium tunnels and the creation of new access and exit points for fans."

plus:
"The Centre of Excellence will include an all weather pitch outside the stadium and will be used by the Cork County and development squads and will also be offered as a facility for local clubs and schools."
plus
"The back of the new covered stand (will have) a viewing area for 1,000 spectators and embedded floodlighting for the new all weather pitch. "

EDIT, theres also a whole park area that is being developed which is currently wasteland/ an old fairgrounds or something.

67m for a stadium we don't need is beyond logic.And our so called Centre of excellence is a joke.

It needs to be redeveloped yes,but not at that cost.It will only have, if that even,a bare handful of big games each year,and maybee the odd Munster Hurling Final as a neutral venue.

The way things are in both football and hurling at underage,we won't have the teams to grace the new stadium.

We don't need a centre of excellence.Nemo Rangers,Clonakilty and Mallow are all ideally located,and could serve that role,as they are all new ,top class complexes and are much better then the one their building.

67m for a stadium,is madness,when they refuse to spend the same as other counties in development squads etc,when Cork hurling is in dire trouble at grassroots level.

WesternZulu · 24-07-2013 3:48pm

iDave wrote: »

So are they just redeveloping one grandstand and putting a roof over the other and leaving the terraces behind the goals as they are?

They say that it's a 45,000 seater in that article, but from the artists impression it doesn't look like behind the goals are seated at all

Jimminy Mc Fukhead · 24-07-2013 3:56pm

Tom Joad wrote: »

Meeting room is usually smaller with basic facilities - conference room is bigger and has AV/communications equipment.

You could be in trouble though if it was a big meeting - just too big for the meeting room - and yet not big enough to justify the conference room. And they were thinking of powerpoint slides but were as yet undecided.

Could fall between two stools (/swivel chairs)

Tom Joad · 24-07-2013 3:58pm

Jimminy Mc Fukhead wrote: »

You could be in trouble though if it was a big meeting - just too big for the meeting room - and yet not big enough to justify the conference room. And they were thinking of powerpoint slides but were as yet undecided.

Could fall between two stools (/swivel chairs)

You could have two meeting room with them accordion walls so it can be one big room or two small ones - you could always use the projector function on your laptop if you wanted to use the powerpoint - all you need is a blank wall to project on to :pac:

Jimminy Mc Fukhead · 24-07-2013 4:12pm

Tom Joad wrote: »

You could have two meeting room with them accordion walls so it can be one big room or two small ones - you could always use the projector function on your laptop if you wanted to use the powerpoint - all you need is a blank wall to project on to :pac:

:P Well played sir......

however - ive rechecked the stadium plans above and there's no mention of accordian walls.

Though it's good to uncover these flaws when we're still at the design stage.

Poor_old_gill · 24-07-2013 4:21pm

How many large stadiums are needed in Munster?

There are 4 that hold over 40,000- Semple Stadium, The Gaelic grounds (redeveloped recently),Killarney (redone in the last 15 or so years) and PUC (planned to be redeveloped) add to this that Cusack Park in Ennis was, as far as I know, redeveloped recently.

A new PUC is unnecessary due to other recent stadium developments- the money would be better spent elsewhere

Frankie Lee · 24-07-2013 6:59pm

Presumably being pushed as a venue for the Rugby World Cup, it is sheer madness. Professional soccer clubs like Tottenham Hotspur can barely afford to build a stadium with annual revenue of over €200m. The GAA's annual revenue as a whole is only €52.7m and likely to fall in the coming years.

That being said it is a nice enough design and it will be a good venue for music.

Frankie Lee · 24-07-2013 7:01pm

WesternZulu wrote: »

They say that it's a 45,000 seater in that article, but from the artists impression it doesn't look like behind the goals are seated at all

If they make it an all seater then it will be a disaster altogether, can you imagine a Munster Hurling match without terracing?

Cosmo Kramer · 24-07-2013 9:21pm

munchkin_utd wrote: »

more details on Pairc Ui Caoimh are emerging.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2013/07/17/gaa-to-lodge-pairc-ui-chaoimh-plans-in-october/

That looks like a really poor effort for €67 million to be honest, all four sides of the stadium should be fully redeveloped for that kind of money, not one and as half. Looks rubbish compared to the Casement proposals.

grenache · 24-07-2013 9:27pm

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

add to this that Cusack Park in Ennis was, as far as I know, redeveloped recently.

No, that antiquated $hithole is still there. There are plans to redevelop it but nothing has come of it as yet.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 25-07-2013 12:13am

Agree with you Cosmo, the three tiered stand looks spectacular, but on the whole the stadium doesn't look great. Just looks like a better version of Thurles. The plans for Casement, however, look great, but having no terraces is a major drawback. Every GAA stadium should have the terraces.

nice_guy80 · 25-07-2013 12:21am

THFC wrote: »

Agree with you Cosmo, the three tiered stand looks spectacular, but on the whole the stadium doesn't look great. Just looks like a better version of Thurles. The plans for Casement, however, look great, but having no terraces is a major drawback. Every GAA stadium should have the terraces.

covered terraces.
I will go to games in bad weather if the terrace is covered. I don't like sitting at games in general, especially in bad weather

Browney7 · 25-07-2013 5:40am

grenache wrote: »

No, that antiquated $hithole is still there. There are plans to redevelop it but nothing has come of it as yet.

Kind words there grenache!! You'd need a tetanus shot after going through the turnstiles aswell!

Pete_Cavan · 25-07-2013 10:57pm

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

That looks like a really poor effort for €67 million to be honest, all four sides of the stadium should be fully redeveloped for that kind of money, not one and as half. Looks rubbish compared to the Casement proposals.

€67m is the cost of the overall marina park development, the PUC redevelopment will cost €22m.

With the conference facilities, museum and the potential for concerts I would suggest they are hoping the redeveloped stadium will make most of its money from non match days, with GAA match days as supplementary income.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/321045/264193.pdf

Hibbeler · 15-08-2013 5:49pm

Talk of a new stand for Cusack Park in Mullingar

http://www.westmeathexaminer.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2013/08/14/4017130-proposed-cusack-park-stand-makeover-to-cost-35-million/

petronius · 24-08-2013 3:37pm

PUC is in bad need of a face lift - even in straightened times it could be done maybe scaled back for when the recession is over
I like the fact PUC is walkable from the city centre and the colour of it with the colors etc any one there on a munster championship match v tipp etc would know what i mean
I think they should do it - wouldnt it be nice if Cork had a big stadium which could also host the odd Soccer or Rugby International? or would the sponsors allow it.
Some year ago i heard of the idea of building a new GAA stadium in cork and naming it after Michael Collins but that seemed not to get much of an airing

Pete_Cavan · 24-08-2013 4:36pm

Hibbeler wrote: »

Talk of a new stand for Cusack Park in Mullingar

http://www.westmeathexaminer.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2013/08/14/4017130-proposed-cusack-park-stand-makeover-to-cost-35-million/

Looks good. This is becoming the standard for smaller county grounds; one main covered, seated stand with dressing rooms, offices, emdia facilities, etc. and uncovered terrace around the other three sides. O'Connor Park in Tullamore is a good example of this done well.

petronius wrote: »

I think they should do it - wouldnt it be nice if Cork had a big stadium which could also host the odd Soccer or Rugby International? or would the sponsors allow it.

The naming rights with Aviva mean all home full rugby and soccer internationals have to be played at Lansdowne. Ireland played a rugby match against Fiji at Thomond Park last year but were called Ireland X and couldnt give out caps.

nice_guy80 · 25-08-2013 10:22am

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Looks good. This is becoming the standard for smaller county grounds; one main covered, seated stand with dressing rooms, offices, emdia facilities, etc. and uncovered terrace around the other three sides. O'Connor Park in Tullamore is a good example of this done well.

The naming rights with Aviva mean all home full rugby and soccer internationals have to be played at Lansdowne. Ireland played a rugby match against Fiji at Thomond Park last year but were called Ireland X and couldnt give out caps.

I'd prefer a covered terrace with so I can watch games in comfort, even during the league

hate sitting down at games

25-08-2013 2:17pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Thread dedicated to the development of stadia, pitches and facilities in general at all levels in the GAA. Post up details of new infrastructure being planned or built within your club/county or discuss projects. I'll get the ball rolling in a minute...

This could be a slow thread

rpurfield · 25-08-2013 6:26pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

covered terraces.
I will go to games in bad weather if the terrace is covered. I don't like sitting at games in general, especially in bad weather

dont mind sitting if your dry a lot of stands around the country have rubbish roofs on where half the seats arent covered anyway. The worst i ever got was sitting in croker a few years back with the big drops falling off the floodlights adding to the rain

munchkin_utd · 26-08-2013 10:52am

A £6.7m monument to Tyrone ambition
Stunning new facility reflects Red Hand's on-field mentality
<snip>
So men, women, adults, children, clubs, schools, all of Tyrone GAA, will get to avail of the lavish facilities which their inter-county teams began using last February. Built on a 43-acre site it consists of five grass pitches, a full-sized 3G all-weather pitch and another half-sized 3G – all of them fully floodlit.

The main building – all 30,000 square feet of it, with a huge curved glass facade, and designed in the shape of a curved Celtic 'T' – has the chrome and marble fit-out of a four-star hotel. <snip>Inside Garvaghey's huge open-plan foyer is a floor-to-roof glass octagon, inscribed with, at last count, the names of 292 people.

They are the 'Garvaghey patrons', who have each given £5,000 to the project – it is a £1.5m monument to the strength of the local Gaelic faith.
To its right is a large, sofa-filled viewing area that overlooks the pitches, and has been designated as a place to 'labhair Gaeilge'.
To the left are rows of tables where, in the manner of a Premier League football club, all of the county teams – senior and minor – mingle together while being fed by commercial caterers after training.

Nearby is a tiered lecture theatre that seats 200. The building also contains 10 dressing-rooms (six male, four female), numerous meeting rooms, a rehabilitation gym and the county board offices.

Its design includes strong cultural and historic elements, such as the mini Tullyhogue Fort (the ancestral home of the O'Neills) at the entrance, which doubles as a performance area.
Like some sort of Olympic project, it has a mission statement which talks of 'oidhreacht' (legacy) and defines it as "something that's cherished which is passed on to someone who's cherished".
<snip>
While the Celtic Tiger was in its death throes, and some county boards ended up in penury, Tyrone have somehow completed a £6.7m project on time (five years) and on budget.

Tyrone County Board have contributed 51pc (£3.4m), Croke Park have given 28pc (£1.6m), a Northern Ireland rural development programme has funded 13pc (£0.85m), and other local state bodies, including the tourist board, £1m.

A total of £2m has still to be paid off but Tyrone have borrowed this from Croke Park and are confident of clearing it inside their 10-year target.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/a-67m-monument-to-tyrone-ambition-29509448.html

I have to say that I was not a fan of the idea of these "centres of excellence" but when you see how Tyrone has made this as more than just a few pitches and some physio facilities you have to admire what they have done.
They have the full range of facilities to take meetings out of hotels and pubs into the counties own home base so in the long run it might even save a few shillings. The location is also perfect, just off the A5 to Monaghan/ Dublin and only a few miles from the Dual carraigeway/ Motorway to Belfast.

StephenHendry · 26-08-2013 11:11am

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I'd prefer a covered terrace with so I can watch games in comfort, even during the league

hate sitting down at games

same here, i love the terraces, don't why we don't have grounds, the new ones that have covered terraces like the have in soccer grounds in germany for example, yeovil town fc have covered terraces

petronius · 26-08-2013 3:29pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Looks good. This is becoming the standard for smaller county grounds; one main covered, seated stand with dressing rooms, offices, emdia facilities, etc. and uncovered terrace around the other three sides. O'Connor Park in Tullamore is a good example of this done well.

The naming rights with Aviva mean all home full rugby and soccer internationals have to be played at Lansdowne. Ireland played a rugby match against Fiji at Thomond Park last year but were called Ireland X and couldnt give out caps.

That was pathetic by the IRFU and Aviva - they could have labeled it the "Aviva challenge match" at thomond or something I think it was disrespectful of Both the IRFU and AVIVA to the public who went and participants.

It shows how the lure of money can negate he remit of a sporting body - the IRFU is for Rugby all over Ireland - to diminish it chances of hosting a match outside Dublin at say PUC or Thomond or Ravenhill or Pearse Stadium

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