Norwegian Air Discussion

flanzer · 07-12-2016 3:34pm

What's the public transport like from Stewart into Manhattan?? Google maps can't even provide a suggestion!

Looks to me like Cork is a pawn here, as Norwegian go to battle with EU and US authorities

Question is for Irish customers, why would you fly to Stewart?
Question for Americans, why would you fly to Cork?

The whole thing doesn't add up IMO. The fanfare down in Cork might be short lived

LXFlyer · 07-12-2016 3:42pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Would the clearance be a lot quicker at these smaller airports that it would have been at Logan airport?.So will it all balance out?.

One look at Wikipedia for each of those airports indicates that none of them currently have any international commercial flights, except one which has a seasonal service to/from the Azores.

Therefore inevitably the answer is yes.

snotboogie · 07-12-2016 3:49pm

flanzer wrote: »

What's the public transport like from Stewart into Manhattan?? Google maps can't even provide a suggestion!

Looks to me like Cork is a pawn here, as Norwegian go to battle with EU and US authorities

Question is for Irish customers, why would you fly to Stewart?
Question for Americans, why would you fly to Cork?

The whole thing doesn't add up IMO. The fanfare down in Cork might be short lived

I've been following the aviation forums on here for years and I've never seen a route met with such negativity and scorn (the actual Cork Airport thread in the Cork forum is as bad). It's a clear punt worth taking for Cork Airport, they have essentially nothing to lose and the potential for direct North American links. Outside of North America I don't see where else the Airport can grow into?
Question for Americans, why would you fly to Cork?
Cork is the second most visited county by foreign tourists, with nearly 50% more than Clare and Limerick combined: http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/revealed-the-irish-counties-most-and-least-visited-by-overseas-tourists-35117642.html It's a more attractive tourist destination and it has far more American FDI than the Shannon region. Currently Shannon operates 5 routes to North America to Cork's zero.
Question is for Irish customers, why would you fly to Stewart?
Has Stewart been confirmed? I would imagine these routes are targeted at the 500K+ people living in Cork and the thousands in surrounding counties for whom Cork is the closest airport. Without any North American routes Cork is outperforming Shannon, it's set to move about 600K more passengers than Shannon this year.
Despite all of this I'm still skeptical that it will work. Belfast International (which moves more than Cork and Shannon combined) just had it's only real North American route pulled but it's clearly worth a go from Cork Airports perspective and I don't know why it is met with such negativity here?

jackinthemix94 · 07-12-2016 3:58pm

The second Norwegian can get a foothold in Dublin, this Cork route will be gone. They've obviously discovered it's a useful trojan horse to get what they want.

Mebuntu · 07-12-2016 4:35pm

snotboogie wrote: »

Despite all of this I'm still skeptical that it will work. Belfast International (which moves more than Cork and Shannon combined) just had it's only real North American route pulled but it's clearly worth a go from Cork Airports perspective and I don't know why it is met with such negativity here?

If it was a profitable business proposition to fly direct from Cork to USA it would have been done before by EI or any/all of the others. I'm not sure it is fair to compare Cork with what happened in Belfast. The fact is that there are thousands of people who simply couldn't and can't afford current fares. Nobody has previously tried a low-fare operation so it remains to be proved that it will/won't work in the long term. I'm hoping very much that it will.

As for Shannon and Dublin I hope Norwegian DO begin flights and I don't see any good reason why anyone would want to object to it.

snotboogie · 07-12-2016 4:57pm

Mebuntu wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

Despite all of this I'm still skeptical that it will work. Belfast International (which moves more than Cork and Shannon combined) just had it's only real North American route pulled but it's clearly worth a go from Cork Airports perspective and I don't know why it is met with such negativity here?

If it was a profitable business proposition to fly direct from Cork to USA it would have been done before by EI or any/all of the others. I'm not sure it is fair to compare Cork with what happened in Belfast. The fact is that there are thousands of people who simply couldn't and can't afford current fares. Nobody has previously tried a low-fare operation so it remains to be proved that it will/won't work in the long term. I'm hoping very much that it will.

As for Shannon and Dublin I hope Norwegian DO begin flights and I don't see any good reason why anyone would want to object to it.

Air Rianta and Aerlingus always took the view of Shannon as being the alternative state airport to Dublin. This decision was made by government rather than commercial enterprises. By the time they were privatized the status quo had been in place for decades. I haven't seen any logical argument as to why Shannon is so commercially viable for North American routes in comparison to Cork other than, it's always been this way so it must be true...

Rhys Essien · 07-12-2016 5:39pm

jackinthemix94 wrote: »

The second Norwegian can get a foothold in Dublin, this Cork route will be gone. They've obviously discovered it's a useful trojan horse to get what they want.

Don't be talking through your hat.Cork never had a transatlantic route which was a disgrace in itself.The population of Cork is greater than the whole of Connacht and a little under half of Dublin's.Why should we be travelling to Dublin and Shannon for flights?.There are thousands of workers in US companies in Cork.Finally,the Cork and Kerry region is the nicest part of the country.

You're just afraid that the monopoly on Dublin will now be over.

Cookiemunster · 07-12-2016 5:40pm

snotboogie wrote: »

Air Rianta and Aerlingus always took the view of Shannon as being the alternative state airport to Dublin. This decision was made by government rather than commercial enterprises. By the time they were privatized the status quo had been in place for decades. I haven't seen any logical argument as to why Shannon is so commercially viable for North American routes in comparison to Cork other than, it's always been this way so it must be true...

Runway length.

Graham · 07-12-2016 5:43pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Don't be talking through your hat.Cork never had a transatlantic route which was a disgrace in itself.The population of Cork is greater than the whole of Connacht and a little under half of Dublin's.Why should we be travelling to Dublin and Shannon for flights?.There are thousands of workers in US companies in Cork.Finally,the Cork and Kerry region is the nicest part of the country.

You're just afraid that the monopoly on Dublin will now be over.

I can't help but think you're taking things a little personally.

It's nothing to do with being afraid of monopolies ending, it's nothing to do with 'nicest part of the Country' opinions, it's nothing to do with populations.

It's all about commercial viability and profitability.

I say that as someone that absolutely loves travelling via Cork airport. Unfortunately for the airport itself, the reasons I love it are definitely not aligned with the airports commercial goals.

Deagol · 07-12-2016 5:45pm

Mebuntu wrote: »

At first glance your comment may appear to make sense but I think you have to bear in mind the typical passengers who will fly this new route. They won't be too worried on this score. After all, if you fly from Dublin to London airports (excl LCY) the travel time to Central London is around an hour by Tube or Rail and longer by coach.

Your drive to Dublin would be a far greater inconvenience and expense (petrol/Toll/parking) plus the M50 debacle and uncertainty. Then, when you arrive back at DUB after a long flight you have to drive all the way home again.

So, to sum up. Driving to Dublin and back will add considerable extra expense to an airfare that will already be much dearer than Norwegian plus all the stress in driving both ways.

The typical passenger be damned, I'm a business passenger and I have no interest in spending 5-6 hours on a 737 in coach! I'd rather drive to and from Dublin and use a premium product. Tbh, it'd probably make more sense to fly with Delta or Continental change at Newark / JFK. Presuming they have flights of course. I would presume if EI pull out of Shannon one or both of them would start doing year round and maybe daily?

snotboogie · 07-12-2016 5:46pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

Air Rianta and Aerlingus always took the view of Shannon as being the alternative state airport to Dublin. This decision was made by government rather than commercial enterprises. By the time they were privatized the status quo had been in place for decades. I haven't seen any logical argument as to why Shannon is so commercially viable for North American routes in comparison to Cork other than, it's always been this way so it must be true...

Runway length.

Fair point, probably should have been extended at some stage

Cookiemunster · 07-12-2016 5:46pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Don't be talking through your hat.Cork never had a transatlantic route which was a disgrace in itself.The population of Cork is greater than the whole of Connacht and a little under half of Dublin's.Why should we be travelling to Dublin and Shannon for flights?.There are thousands of workers in US companies in Cork.Finally,the Cork and Kerry region is the nicest part of the country.

You're just afraid that the monopoly on Dublin will now be over.

Population of Connacht - 542,547
Population of County Cork - 542,196
Population of County Dublin - 1,345,402

So Cork doesn't have a larger population than Connacht or half the population of Dublin.

And quite a few people from the West of Ireland would argue quite strongly about where the 'nicest part of the country' is.

snotboogie · 07-12-2016 5:48pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

jackinthemix94 wrote: »

The second Norwegian can get a foothold in Dublin, this Cork route will be gone. They've obviously discovered it's a useful trojan horse to get what they want.

Don't be talking through your hat.Cork never had a transatlantic route which was a disgrace in itself.The population of Cork is greater than the whole of Connacht and a little under half of Dublin's.Why should we be travelling to Dublin and Shannon for flights?.There are thousands of workers in US companies in Cork.Finally,the Cork and Kerry region is the nicest part of the country.

You're just afraid that the monopoly on Dublin will now be over.

I appreciate somebody in the thread supporting the route but not a hope. Dublin Airport is just in a completely different league and even if the route is a roaring success it still will barely make a dent in Dublin's numbers.

Deagol · 07-12-2016 5:53pm

snotboogie wrote: »

I've been following the aviation forums on here for years and I've never seen a route met with such negativity and scorn (the actual Cork Airport thread in the Cork forum is as bad). It's a clear punt worth taking for Cork Airport, they have essentially nothing to lose and the potential for direct North American links. Outside of North America I don't see where else the Airport can grow into?
Question for Americans, why would you fly to Cork?
Cork is the second most visited county by foreign tourists, with nearly 50% more than Clare and Limerick combined: http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/revealed-the-irish-counties-most-and-least-visited-by-overseas-tourists-35117642.html It's a more attractive tourist destination and it has far more American FDI than the Shannon region. Currently Shannon operates 5 routes to North America to Cork's zero.
Question is for Irish customers, why would you fly to Stewart?
Has Stewart been confirmed? I would imagine these routes are targeted at the 500K+ people living in Cork and the thousands in surrounding counties for whom Cork is the closest airport. Without any North American routes Cork is outperforming Shannon, it's set to move about 600K more passengers than Shannon this year.
Despite all of this I'm still skeptical that it will work. Belfast International (which moves more than Cork and Shannon combined) just had it's only real North American route pulled but it's clearly worth a go from Cork Airports perspective and I don't know why it is met with such negativity here?

The problem is that Cork and Shannon are competing against each other to the possible detriment of both.
The worry is, that Norwegian will give EI a reason to pull out of Shannon and then they abandon Cork for Dublin.

That would then leave the whole of the west of Ireland without a flight to Boston area and at the mercy of two american airlines (Delta and Continental) for the remainder (NYC and Newark).

Does that explain the negativity?

snotboogie · 07-12-2016 5:58pm

Deagol wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

I've been following the aviation forums on here for years and I've never seen a route met with such negativity and scorn (the actual Cork Airport thread in the Cork forum is as bad). It's a clear punt worth taking for Cork Airport, they have essentially nothing to lose and the potential for direct North American links. Outside of North America I don't see where else the Airport can grow into?
Question for Americans, why would you fly to Cork?
Cork is the second most visited county by foreign tourists, with nearly 50% more than Clare and Limerick combined: http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/revealed-the-irish-counties-most-and-least-visited-by-overseas-tourists-35117642.html It's a more attractive tourist destination and it has far more American FDI than the Shannon region. Currently Shannon operates 5 routes to North America to Cork's zero.
Question is for Irish customers, why would you fly to Stewart?
Has Stewart been confirmed? I would imagine these routes are targeted at the 500K+ people living in Cork and the thousands in surrounding counties for whom Cork is the closest airport. Without any North American routes Cork is outperforming Shannon, it's set to move about 600K more passengers than Shannon this year.
Despite all of this I'm still skeptical that it will work. Belfast International (which moves more than Cork and Shannon combined) just had it's only real North American route pulled but it's clearly worth a go from Cork Airports perspective and I don't know why it is met with such negativity here?

The problem is that Cork and Shannon are competing against each other to the possible detriment of both.
The worry is, that Norwegian will give EI a reason to pull out of Shannon and then they abandon Cork for Dublin.

That would then leave the whole of the west of Ireland without a flight to Boston area and at the mercy of two american airlines (Delta and Continental) for the remainder (NYC and Newark).

Does that explain the negativity?

From the Shannon perspective yes it does but by far the majority of the negativity has come at Cork route rather than the Shannon one.

fernrock · 07-12-2016 6:02pm

snotboogie wrote: »

Why do they need Shannon as a stepping stone to Dublin?

Aer Lingus will use any excuse to pull out of Shannon, they never wanted it.
Look at what they did a few years ago by moving their Heathrow slots to Belfast, but, our neighbours would not use an aircraft with a shamrock on the tail . So they crawled back to Shannon

In the days of the compulsary transatlantic stop , they were using any excuse to over fly, even a wet runway would be used as an excuse.

Rhys Essien · 07-12-2016 6:05pm

Full agree on the anti Cork negativity,I mean look at this rubbish from a few posts back.

billy few mates wrote: »

I think it's just a way of getting their foot in the door while they overcome all the regulatory hurdles, start off with a ORK-BOS service (or any other fanciful route pairing that no one else already does) so they can get the whole operation up and running with little or no objections. Once this one starts they can announce an expansion with a whole series of new routes out of DUB and SNN (which is the real prize) and then after a while just quietly drop the ORK-BOS route citing lack of customer demand.

Graham · 07-12-2016 6:06pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Full agree on the anti Cork negativity,I mean look at this rubbish from a few posts back.

I see nothing at all anti-Cork in that post.

Idbatterim · 07-12-2016 6:13pm

You're just afraid that the monopoly on Dublin will now be over.

it will stop some people routing from cork to US detinations via london etc anyway with the IAG group.

Also this pre clearance scenario! I flew to vegas a few months back, via Gatwick, was out of the airport in under 10 minutes, just burst off the plane and got ahead of other passengers, used the automated immigration facility. Lets contrast this with Dublin, show up another two hours early to pre-clear, I know what I'd choose every time.

There should be a facility in the states, where you can pay to fasttrack immigration...

Rhys Essien · 07-12-2016 6:20pm

Graham wrote: »

I see nothing at all anti-Cork in that post.

Well clearly Billy thinks TA flights don't make sense in Cork and we should all have to travel to Shannon even though Cork is the population centre for Munster.

Would you not get pissed off if I suggested that Dubliners should travel to Belfast to get your TA flights?.

jackinthemix94 · 07-12-2016 6:23pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Well clearly Billy thinks TA flights don't make sense in Cork and we should all have to travel to Shannon even though Cork is the population centre for Munster.

Would you not get pissed off if I suggested that Dubliners should travel to Belfast to get your TA flights?.

Dublin Airport is one of the biggest in Europe, you need to have a serious rethink if you think a Boeing 737 that may or may not run a route from Cork is going to break any kind of "monopoly".

Dublin isn't even competing with Cork or Shannon at this stage, it's competing with Heathrow, Frankfurt, Amsterdam and Paris. Cork and Shannon will be fighting it out for the remaining traffic.

Rhys Essien · 07-12-2016 6:28pm

jackinthemix94 wrote: »

The second Norwegian can get a foothold in Dublin, this Cork route will be gone. They've obviously discovered it's a useful trojan horse to get what they want.

Can you explain yourself here a bit better so?.

Rocko · 07-12-2016 6:46pm

The negativity by some people here is amusingly annoying, every excuse why these flights will not happening has been used over the last few months on this forum and others.
Typical Irish begrudgery.
From a Cork point of view, I for one can't wait for these flights to take off no matter what airport they arrive at in the Boston / New York region.

Idbatterim · 07-12-2016 6:46pm

at year end, dublin will be the 12th busiest airport in europe. 5th busiest in terms of north american passengers...

In terms of cork, there is no way IAG will launch a route from there, a 737 would only be able to carry just over half of its capacity, allegedly!

hegarty147 · 07-12-2016 8:11pm

I am a silent watcher of this thread. I have been following closely the Norwegian air fiasco over the last while. I am living in Toronto and I am originally from cork city. I fly home maybe twice a year and I was so excited to finally be able to fly directly to Cork as I absolutely hate nothing more than after a long flight then getting on an bus to cork from Dublin airport. However, hearing now that the flight to Boston which I could connect through from Toronto is from some airport I have never heard of is really disappointing. I quickly looked and saw no airline flies to there from Toronto so I have no way of getting there.
I had no problem paying a premium for the flight as I was so happy flying home directly to Cork city but it looks like I wont be able to. So frustrating ....

Rhys Essien · 07-12-2016 8:28pm

hegarty147 wrote: »

I am a silent watcher of this thread. I have been following closely the Norwegian air fiasco over the last while. I am living in Toronto and I am originally from cork city. I fly home maybe twice a year and I was so excited to finally be able to fly directly to Cork as I absolutely hate nothing more than after a long flight then getting on an bus to cork from Dublin airport. However, hearing now that the flight to Boston which I could connect through from Toronto is from some airport I have never heard of is really disappointing. I quickly looked and saw no airline flies to there from Toronto so I have no way of getting there.
I had no problem paying a premium for the flight as I was so happy flying home directly to Cork city but it looks like I wont be able to. So frustrating ....

It is a bit of a downer but both options are ~50 miles from Boston so your times might still suit for a connection.BTW what price did you pay last time for Dublin-Toronto return?Will you save much using Norwegian?.

hegarty147 · 07-12-2016 8:38pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

hegarty147 wrote: »

I am a silent watcher of this thread. I have been following closely the Norwegian air fiasco over the last while. I am living in Toronto and I am originally from cork city. I fly home maybe twice a year and I was so excited to finally be able to fly directly to Cork as I absolutely hate nothing more than after a long flight then getting on an bus to cork from Dublin airport. However, hearing now that the flight to Boston which I could connect through from Toronto is from some airport I have never heard of is really disappointing. I quickly looked and saw no airline flies to there from Toronto so I have no way of getting there.
I had no problem paying a premium for the flight as I was so happy flying home directly to Cork city but it looks like I wont be able to. So frustrating ....

It is a bit of a downer but both options are ~50 miles from Boston so your times might still suit for a connection.BTW what price did you pay last time for Dublin-Toronto return?Will you save much using Norwegian?.

funny story so I flew back in September with Air Canada Rouge which is the budget airline of Air Canada. That flight was 763 Canadian dollars but because I knew I had to get the f**kin air coach and I would not sleep so I paid a 100 dollars more for a bigger seat so I could sleep. Honestly I actually dont care about the price difference my main need is to fly directly to Cork city. Thats why I personally would spend easily up to 1000 cad for economy to fly directly from Toronto to Cork if that ever happens. I have talked to a lot of people over here from Cork as well and they all say the same, the ability to fly directly definitely makes them more lax with their wallet

Irish Steve · 07-12-2016 8:38pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

at year end, dublin will be the 12th busiest airport in europe. 5th busiest in terms of north american passengers...

In terms of cork, there is no way IAG will launch a route from there, a 737 would only be able to carry just over half of its capacity, allegedly!

If the loads were there, IAG, in the guise of Aer Lingus, via ASL, could just about operate the route with a 757, which would not be as limited as a 737.

Nonoperational · 07-12-2016 8:46pm

I'd rather connect through Heathrow, but I'm a bit of an aviation freak. I love Heathrow!

hegarty147 · 07-12-2016 8:50pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

I'd rather connect through Heathrow, but I'm a bit of an aviation freak. I love Heathrow!

Obviously I would love direct from Toronto to Cork but I would take a connection. I prefer the connection at the start of the flight i.e New York or Boston but each to their own.
Regarding the size of the plan how long would you have to extend cork runway to be able to accomodate most of todays planes?

Noxegon · 07-12-2016 9:08pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

I'd rather connect through Heathrow, but I'm a bit of an aviation freak. I love Heathrow!

This might be the first time in history anyone has *wanted* to connect through Heathrow

Van.Bosch · 07-12-2016 9:16pm

jackinthemix94 wrote: »

The second Norwegian can get a foothold in Dublin, this Cork route will be gone. They've obviously discovered it's a useful trojan horse to get what they want.

What's stopping them now that will change in the future? Their approval isn't ORK specific?

Nonoperational · 07-12-2016 11:03pm

Noxegon wrote: »

This might be the first time in history anyone has *wanted* to connect through Heathrow

Like Heathrow. Take my time, do some shopping, then go to the BA lounge for a few drinks before the flight.

It would oprobably be different if I was travelling on business on a tight schedule.

billy few mates · 08-12-2016 12:12am

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Full agree on the anti Cork negativity,I mean look at this rubbish from a few posts back.

Graham wrote: »

I see nothing at all anti-Cork in that post.

Me neither...

Idbatterim · 08-12-2016 11:38am

Dublin will carry 28,000,000 this year and is growing a lot quicker than those airports...

funny story so I flew back in September with Air Canada Rouge which is the budget airline of Air Canada. That flight was 763 Canadian dollars but because I knew I had to get the f**kin air coach and I would not sleep so I paid a 100 dollars more for a bigger seat so I could sleep. Honestly I actually dont care about the price difference my main need is to fly directly to Cork city. Thats why I personally would spend easily up to 1000 cad for economy to fly directly from Toronto to Cork if that ever happens. I have talked to a lot of people over here from Cork as well and they all say the same, the ability to fly directly definitely makes them more lax with their wallet

If I were you Id be paying a decent premium too. Pity IAG dont fly Cork to Dublin or Shannon to offer cork passengers this option to connect to north america, you have to fly to bloody uk and then back the other direction again... IAG only do whats most profitable for them obviously, but I am glad norwegian are coming in, competition is always a good thing...

Irish Steve · 08-12-2016 3:10pm

OK, we got here by accident, there's a very substantial discussion thread about Dublin and it's (lack of) infrastructure, can we take the discussion about Dublin infrastructure and the future to that thread please.

This thread is about Norwegian and the US routes, so I have moved a number of off topic posts about Dublin to the infrastructure thread

roundymac · 12-12-2016 11:43am

hegarty147 wrote: »

I am a silent watcher of this thread. I have been following closely the Norwegian air fiasco over the last while. I am living in Toronto and I am originally from cork city. I fly home maybe twice a year and I was so excited to finally be able to fly directly to Cork as I absolutely hate nothing more than after a long flight then getting on an bus to cork from Dublin airport. However, hearing now that the flight to Boston which I could connect through from Toronto is from some airport I have never heard of is really disappointing. I quickly looked and saw no airline flies to there from Toronto so I have no way of getting there.
I had no problem paying a premium for the flight as I was so happy flying home directly to Cork city but it looks like I wont be able to. So frustrating ....

Don't forget about WOW. I know it's via Iceland (plane change) but you'll still get to Cork for around 10.30am, thats with a 18.30 departure from JFK. That beats the coach anyday IMO.

Rawr · 12-12-2016 12:20pm

I still find it curious that they'd run this service with a 737-800.

I always reconed that they'd use one of their 787s, especially since the flight begins at BCN and with any luck is picking up a good few PAX there. Depending on how much demand there is for Barcelona passengers to travel to that part of the States, you might find that most of those potential 100-odd seats on the 738 are filled before the plane even reaches Ireland.

From what I remember NAS were planning on using their BCN base to launch routes towards South America. With that in mind they'd probably base some 787s there. I can't help but wonder if a BCN-based 787 is intended for this route?

Van.Bosch · 12-12-2016 1:59pm

Rawr wrote: »

I still find it curious that they'd run this service with a 737-800.

I always reconed that they'd use one of their 787s, especially since the flight begins at BCN and with any luck is picking up a good few PAX there. Depending on how much demand there is for Barcelona passengers to travel to that part of the States, you might find that most of those potential 100-odd seats on the 738 are filled before the plane even reaches Ireland.

From what I remember NAS were planning on using their BCN base to launch routes towards South America. With that in mind they'd probably base some 787s there. I can't help but wonder if a BCN-based 787 is intended for this route?

The BCN element is gone, it's now a ORK only proposal

Irish Steve · 12-12-2016 2:24pm

I'd need to spend a bit of time on the checking, my gut instinct is that a 787 would be limited in what it could carry out of Cork, the runway there is going to be significantly limiting, so using a 787 from day 1 at Cork would be a massive gamble.

roundymac · 12-12-2016 3:05pm

If you read post 36 you will see that billie1b has calculated that the 738 will only be able to take 96 passengers on a non stop service ex-Cork. That's a terrible figure, I'd have thought that a plane like the 738 would manage a t/o with a full load on Cork's runway of 2133m.

Comhrá · 12-12-2016 3:42pm

roundymac wrote: »

If you read post 36 you will see that billie1b has calculated that the 738 will only be able to take 96 passengers on a non stop service ex-Cork. That's a terrible figure, I'd have thought that a plane like the 738 would manage a t/o with a full load on Cork's runway of 2133m.

I'm guessing it could do if it were a destination within Europe or even the Canaries, but an Atlantic Westbound crossing with a full load pax/fuel would be a struggle from Cork's runway for a B738.

roundymac · 12-12-2016 4:49pm

Yes, it's the US I'm on about.

Nonoperational · 12-12-2016 10:12pm

Really difficult to see what this is going to achieve. Surely it can't be economical with 90 Economy passengers?

Rawr · 13-12-2016 12:31pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

Really difficult to see what this is going to achieve. Surely it can't be economical with 90 Economy passengers?

That is what puzzles me a little. Beyond the convenience factor of flying direct into Cork, they're also going to need to compete on price. Not sure if 90 economy tickets will do the job.

I've read before that Norwegian are intending to get their hands on some A321 NEO LRs. Any idea if one of those could take off from Cork fully loaded?

A fully loaded A321 might pay the bill?

Tenger · 13-12-2016 1:16pm

The watchers elsewhere in the industry are looking at the ORK route as a door opener. NAI want permission to operate out of ORK, they are proposing to do so with a B737, looks harmless doesnt it.
But once they get the licence they then have precedence to begin operations from every other EU airport to every other US airport using whatever aircraft they have in their inventory.

What they are asking for is not beyond any law or regulation, but as with any negotiation, "What will they do with that permission once they have it?" is the question that is probably more important to ask.
This is the reason for the political/industrial wraggling over this issue over the last 12-18 months.

basill · 13-12-2016 1:49pm

Exactly, Cork is a sideshow and makes little economic sense hence isn't worth dwelling on. It's all about the big picture and what NAI will do if the full approvals are granted.

Van.Bosch · 13-12-2016 3:00pm

Tenger wrote: »

The watchers elsewhere in the industry are looking at the ORK route as a door opener. NAI want permission to operate out of ORK, they are proposing to do so with a B737, looks harmless doesnt it.
But once they get the licence they then have precedence to begin operations from every other EU airport to every other US airport using whatever aircraft they have in their inventory.

What they are asking for is not beyond any law or regulation, but as with any negotiation, "What will they do with that permission once they have it?" is the question that is probably more important to ask.
This is the reason for the political/industrial wraggling over this issue over the last 12-18 months.

Very true, do you believe they will ever operate from ORK?

de biz · 13-12-2016 3:10pm

With all Norwegians hot air regarding Cork is it not reasonable to think they would have been ready to launch the service rapidly?
Its not like they havn't had enough time to prepare!
Will they be operational for Patricks day?
Corks economy failed to make London city flights a success which is ominous for the Norwegian project.
Notwithstanding the above lets hope it is supported.

Graham · 13-12-2016 3:15pm

de biz wrote: »

With all Norwegians hot air regarding Cork is it not reasonable to think they would have been ready to launch the service rapidly?
Its not like they havn't had enough time to prepare!

They could probably launch very quickly if they wanted to to operate empty flights.

A certain amount of time to pre-sell tickets is a sensible approach. That's not something they could have started proper to permissions being granted.

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