A boat full of carbs

Tec Diver · 09-12-2013 12:22pm

AstraMonti wrote: »

I was away for work for 3 days and it was a huge carbfest, nothing besides pizzas, greasy burgers and fries near the datacenter. Felt horrible each and every day in every possible way, and I ll spare you the details. I think it shows how the body has adapted to the low carb diet and how a sudden change to that screws it all up.

I met a swedish guy in work, watched him put butter in his coffee and we struck a conversation. He was genuinely surprised to hear that a non swedish is doing that kind of diet and when i told him that we're a bunch of crazies doing that he was in shock.

I've gotten to like a buttetproof coffee in the morning, after the bacon & eggs of course.

ryan_sherlock · 09-12-2013 6:42pm

AstraMonti wrote: »

I was away for work for 3 days and it was a huge carbfest, nothing besides pizzas, greasy burgers and fries near the datacenter. Felt horrible each and every day in every possible way, and I ll spare you the details. I think it shows how the body has adapted to the low carb diet and how a sudden change to that screws it all up.

During my 'off-season' I really relaxed what I ate - still high quality, just things that I wouldn't normally eat (think lots of cake) - felt horrible - took me a few weeks to get back feeling normal (well, what I now consider normal) - don't think I'll do that again.

AstraMonti · 10-12-2013 9:37am

Yesterday's breakfast was bacon and eggs, lunch was gluten and wheat free sausages from the butcher with spinach salad and just a protein shake after the gym. The gym was interesting, started with 10mins warmup with high resistance on the bikes, 10mins of various style press ups and then we moved to weights. After we finished a round of weights, we did a 5 chinups-10 pressups-15squats every minute for 10minutes. I was genuinely out of breath by the end of it with 10secs to spare.

ford2600 · 10-12-2013 3:40pm

"watched him put butter in his coffee"

Sounded weird. I like my ridiculously expensive homemade Gaggi Americano black or with cream. Just tried it with butter, first impressions are good.

Will probably keep to myself though, anyone I talk to about food in last few month thinks I mad

12 sprocket · 13-12-2013 10:07am

AstraMonti wrote: »

Interesting day today. I had arranged to do my blood tests today, and I was fasting since yesterday afternoon. The blood tests were at 11 so I was close to 18hours without food. I was very hungry in the morning but that wore off pretty fast and then had lunch at 12:30 which was roast beef with salad and carrots. Was again hungry at 3 so had some jerky beef, cheese and nuts. On to the gym after work for an hour of a hard spinning session (which i felt quite weak to be honest) and now at home.. surprisingly not hungry. I ll wake up early for a fry tomorrow hehe.

I ll post the blood results once i get them, which should be next tuesday.

Any results yet?

AstraMonti · 13-12-2013 10:13am

Nothing yet, thanks for reminding me to give them a call hehe

AstraMonti · 13-12-2013 10:31pm

I only got a quick phone call from the doctors office and was told that my results are exceptionally good, whatever that means in numbers, I will get the full report on Monday.

AstraMonti · 15-12-2013 11:51pm

Went out for a spin this morning with no breakfast with just an espresso with butter in it. Knew it wasn't going to be a long spin so I didn't bother with food. Did 50k and came back hungry so I had some nice beef stew. I had a lot of greek christmas biscuits after that (they have too much butter in them if it's any consolation

) and then some more.. Had some salami, cheese and nuts for dinner and that was it for the day.

AstraMonti · 17-12-2013 11:42pm

Food: eggs with bacon for breakie, chicken with carrot and nuts salad for lunch, some jerky beef with cheese for snack before the gym and a pint of milk with protein after training.

1hour intense boxfit, 45mins spinning and 15mins abs. New pr.. 2mins 05secs in a plank position.

AstraMonti · 18-12-2013 12:21am

A nice read: LA Lakers Go Low-Carb!

ryan_sherlock · 18-12-2013 11:32am

AstraMonti wrote: »

A nice read: LA Lakers Go Low-Carb!

I gave a talk to a tech company (no athletes) last week in California - some of the stuff blew their mind (wait, what your saying is, granny was right!!!) - was handy to be able to show them the LA Lakers stuff - things they can grasp and that it is not some funky euro thing.

On a side note - high quality food/produce was much much easier to obtain this year in the Bay Area (SF) than last year when I was there. If in the US, these guys sell fab meat: http://www.grasslandbeef.com/StoreFront.bok

The meat sticks, liverwurst and pemmican are my (unusual) favorites.

ford2600 · 18-12-2013 12:40pm

I gave a talk to a tech company (no athletes) last week in California - some of the stuff blew their mind (wait, what your saying is, granny was right!!!) - was handy to be able to show them the LA Lakers stuff - things they can grasp and that it is not some funky euro thing.

I'm only a Micky Mouse cyclist and while I find the low carb benefical on bike, it's the benefits in everyday life which I find great. I think there is massive potential in this for many different walks of life

For example long distance truck drivers, anyone who drives a lot (reps etc), forestry workers where your in remote areas for a long time and eating junk to fight sugar cravings will happen, (that's me 1 day a week!) etc

Maybe computer programmer types, in one of Peter Attia's video there is a mention of a Swedish memory champion who runs on ketones when in competition..

ryan_sherlock · 18-12-2013 12:57pm

ford2600 wrote: »

For example long distance truck drivers, anyone who drives a lot (reps etc), forestry workers where your in remote areas for a long time and eating junk to fight sugar cravings will happen, (that's me 1 day a week!) etc

Big thing for me is in travel - really makes it easier, more affordable and healthier (I don't eat expensive crap). I feel a blog post coming on about travel

petethedrummer · 18-12-2013 5:36pm

Sure didn't our lord himself himself go into ketosis out in the desert.

Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

Stupid devil. You can't tempt an LCHF'er with bread. A ham & cheese omelette and things might have been different.

AstraMonti · 18-12-2013 7:51pm

ford2600 wrote: »

TC HDL LDL Tri Tri/HDL Ratio TC/HDL

Jan 13 6.8 1.42 4.8 1.31 0.92 4.78

May 13 6.3 1.48 4.0 1.64 1.1 4.25

Nov 13 7.8 1.8 5.4 0.92 0.51 4.33

So I eventually got back my results.

TC | dHDL | LDL | TRI | Tri/HDL Ratio | TC/HDL
6.0 | 2.10 | 3.65 | 0.59 | 0.28 | 2.86

Doc says the results are great. TC and HDL are marked with a * though, meaning they are out of the norm.

ryan_sherlock · 18-12-2013 8:09pm

AstraMonti wrote: »

So I eventually got back my results.

TC | dHDL | LDL | TRI | Tri/HDL Ratio | TC/HDL
6.0 | 2.10 | 3.65 | 0.59 | 0.28 | 2.86

Doc says the results are great. TC and HDL are marked with a * though, meaning they are out of the norm.

They look very similar to my results too (TC higher, my HDL was a bit higher, LDL a bit lower) - ratios good.

AstraMonti · 20-12-2013 12:53pm

I contacted my old GP to get the blood results of last year. The only one I have is that my TC was 4.2 at 11/4/2012. I ll post the rest of them when I get them, it would be interesting to see as back then my diet was much different.

Anyway, I 've been bad with sweets (damn greek christmas sweets) the last few days but I enjoy eating them so I am not crying over it. The rest of it remains in the lchf area, although I need to improve my fish intake, I don't eat enough.

Wed I was on the bike for a short period of time, maybe an hour, just to spin the legs. Yesterday was the last session in the gym until the new year so it was kinda hard. A whole hour of 1mins intervals at every mins with various exercices, clean jerks with 50kgs, wide and triceps press ups, chin ups, bench presses, 50kgs thrusters and more stuff I don't remember now. I have massively improved since I started crossfit last christmas with the biggest improvement since August that I changed my diet. I think I am getting "bigger" in the upper body (while maintaining the same weight) so I am not sure if that means I am losing something else.

With things developing in personal life I don't think I ll be racing at all this year, maybe a bit of club racing.

ford2600 · 20-12-2013 2:48pm

AstraMonti wrote: »

So I eventually got back my results.

TC | dHDL | LDL | TRI | Tri/HDL Ratio | TC/HDL
6.0 | 2.10 | 3.65 | 0.59 | 0.28 | 2.86

Doc says the results are great. TC and HDL are marked with a * though, meaning they are out of the norm.

Great results, only down side is anyone that you tell will only hear the 6 bit...

"Not only is he eating a load of fat but he thinks 6 is a great result"...

AstraMonti · 20-12-2013 3:36pm

Haha yeah, already heard that as I 've my parents over for Christmas. I find it pointless to argue with them, but I still am.

ryan_sherlock · 20-12-2013 3:48pm

AstraMonti wrote: »

Haha yeah, already heard that as I 've my parents over for Christmas. I find it pointless to argue with them, but I still am.

You could always point to some new studies in relation to low TC/LDL etc. and severe brain issues:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3299064/
not smart making http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090223221430.htm

Lots coming out recently.
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/cholesterol-longevity.shtml

ROK ON · 20-12-2013 5:19pm

AstraMonti wrote: »

With things developing in personal life I don't think I ll be racing at all this year, maybe a bit of club racing.

Race race lots.

You may not get another chance for a while.

Best of luck.

AstraMonti · 29-12-2013 3:45am

A bit of an interesting update as I am fighting a food poisoning for the third day. The only thing my stomach can process is toasted white bread with butter, anything else is a no-no. I find it peculiar the one food I haven't touched for 6months is easier on the dodgy stomach.

Wishes for a low carb happy new year lads.

petethedrummer · 31-12-2013 9:56pm

AstraMonti wrote: »

A bit of an interesting update as I am fighting a food poisoning for the third day. The only thing my stomach can process is toasted white bread with butter, anything else is a no-no. I find it peculiar the one food I haven't touched for 6months is easier on the dodgy stomach

I had a couple of mouthfuls of dodgy fish during the summer and all I could stomach for 2 days was milk. I gave the rest of the fish to the cat and forgot about it. A few days later the cat started looking ropey. It was lethargic and not cleaning itself. Flies hanging around it. I thought it was on the way out with old age. Took about 4 weeks before she came back to normal. It was only then that I made connection with her condition and the dodgy fish.

but enough about Molly, happy new year.

duffyshuffle · 01-01-2014 9:41pm

ryan_sherlock wrote: »

You could always point to some new studies in relation to low TC/LDL etc. and severe brain issues:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3299064/
not smart making

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090223221430.htm

Lots coming out recently.
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/cholesterol-longevity.shtml

Booked in for bloods next week, anyone have a good list of important things to check? Cholesterol with all the breakdown, resting glucose, anything else? LCHF for 2.5 years but way too much junk lately so not sure what to expect. Am very much looking forward to retesting in 2-3 months already when I clean things up a lot!

DaithiMC · 02-01-2014 1:35am

duffyshuffle wrote: »

Booked in for bloods next week, anyone have a good list of important things to check? Cholesterol with all the breakdown, resting glucose, anything else? LCHF for 2.5 years but way too much junk lately so not sure what to expect. Am very much looking forward to retesting in 2-3 months already when I clean things up a lot!

If you have been on a low carb diet you should ask for your A1c to be tested, for interest only. Normally used to assess risk of going to diabetes but it also is indicative of glycaemic control and represents the average amount of glucose in the blood over the past 2-3 months. http://labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/a1c/

I think we will hear more about glycated proteins in the future, sugar binding to proteins and the effects of these is getting more attention with the rise in diabetes and its connection to cardiovascular disease risk.

AstraMonti · 08-01-2014 3:29pm

Back for more. Monday was my first day after the christmas break that I was back in the gym. It was hard. Mainly because I didn't do anything for 15 days prior to that and second because my diet went to hell with my stomach issues and the amount of sweets I had around. I felt I had no energy at all and my heart rate exploded within seconds. I plan to get another session in the gym today and cycle around 50-60k tomorrow.

So today in work there was "Diet for wellness" seminar for those with new year resolutions. I went expecting to hear all the usual food pyramid, low fat crap.. and that's what exactly what I heard. I sat there listening to a lovely lady talk about how you should have 6-8 portions of carbs a day and meat once a week and how to cut everything* fat and all the usual media BS. So I asked her how can someone regulate the insulin levels and stop the cravings if you keep getting into a massive rollercoaster every day. She said she will come back to it later, she never did during the hour presentation but she got me aside in the end and we kept discussing for a bit. Turns out that she in favor of low carb diets but unfortunately because of her position and her company she is not able to move one bit away from what HSE suggests. I was honestly surprised with that, we are talking about a position that affects people life, but I guess "her hands were tied" as she said.

ford2600 · 10-01-2014 9:27pm

Just an input on meat choices.

Today brought me into a piggery. First time ever and even though I knew what to expect, the reality of the life of a factory pig, would greatly strengthen my strong bias for grass fed beef and lamb.

in summary; concentrate food only, no daylight, very warm 24hrs a day, confined spaces, standing walking sleeping on slatted units over a tank of their own waste, very stuffy.

Chicken is no better from what I've read and heard about.

Will raise my own pigs in a year or so; not sure if I could do the slaughter myself

AstraMonti · 11-01-2014 1:03pm

That's why I am paying 5euro for free range bacon! Raise a pig for me too! Seriously I ll pay

Wednesday I was back in the gym and it was an hour of burpees, chin ups and deadlifts. Started with 40kgs and ended at 155kgs. Happy with that after the Christmas break.

Thursday I went for a 30k spin, had planned for more but I was shivering half way into it so I turned back. I plan a 60-70k one tomorrow.

As for food my breakfast has changed a bit, I can't have bacon in the house any more. My missus is expecting and she can no longer stand the smell of butter and bacon. I only have a full fry when I am eating in work. Most of the days I have an omelette with cheese and ham. Lunches the last few days were lamb, salmon, cod and pork fillet with salad or broccoli. Only yesterday I woke up with a craving of chettos, and I just fell for it.

Paul Kiernan · 11-01-2014 5:54pm

My breakfast is standard (but expensive at this time of year) - berries (blue, black, strawb or rasp) with lashings of cream.

Lunch is either a) ham and cheese omelette, b) meat, egg, tomato, cheese salad with loads of hellmans or c) barbecued fry cooked outdoors (rashers, sausage, tomato, egg, black and white pudding). Tesco value puddings have the lowest carb count. Their sausages are only 3% carb but taste crap so I now have Superquinn which are 5% carb.

Dinner is whatever the family are having without the potato, pasta or rice. I often have cauliflower instead - plain boiled, mashed with butter or my favourite, cooked in the oven covered in grated gruyere and cream until almost dryed up. It's delicious!

If I get hungry I'll have a tomato or two with cheese and plenty of mayo. I also have about 400ml (20g carb) of milk per day in tea or coffee.

AstraMonti · 13-01-2014 11:42pm

Debunking The Milk Myth: Why Milk Is Bad For You And Your Bones

It's the first time I am reading something like this, needs much more reading to come to a logical conclusion.

Tec Diver · 14-01-2014 11:33am

I've been LCHF for a year now. I don't like to use the word "never", but I can't see myself going back to high carb foods.
My goals this year (training wise) include running marathons and ultras and lots of cycling and a couple of adventure races. All with a minimal amount of carbs.

AstraMonti · 14-01-2014 11:17pm

Yesterday's training an hour in the gym with hard flat out work without breaks, I was very very close to puking, first time after a loooong time. Today I went out on the bike for hill repeats intervals. What I noticed is that my glutes were doing a lot of work, I haven't noticed that before so I think it's the squats in the gym that's helping. What I also noticed though is that my recovery times were bigger, but probably a sign of not spending enough time on the bike.

As for food, I had eggs with bacon in the morning, followed by a lunch of prawns, cod and salad. Snack was nuts and 100g of jerky beef. An apple before getting on the bike and just some chocolate milk with protein after.

ford2600 · 14-01-2014 11:25pm

some chocolate milk with protein after.[/quote]

Hopefully your skeletal system won't collapse during next gym session after all that milk...

AstraMonti · 14-01-2014 11:25pm

LOL!

ford2600 · 14-01-2014 11:33pm

AstraMonti wrote: »

LOL!

I was going to post link on farming forum for the craic.
Not sure they'd see the funny side!

Personally milk doesn't suit me, other than that I don't know anything on subject

AstraMonti · 15-01-2014 12:01am

I 've no idea really if the article I quoted above has any truth in it. I 've grown up with milk, I used to drink 3 liters a day until I was 14. But the combination chocolate milk and protein powder is ideal recovery drink for myself.

ford2600 · 15-01-2014 12:11am

AstraMonti wrote: »

I 've no idea really if the article I quoted above has any truth in it. I 've grown up with milk, I used to drink 3 liters a day until I was 14. But the combination chocolate milk and protein powder is ideal recovery drink for myself.

Used to drink two pints straight from tank as a teenager for thirst until I noticed link between milk consumption and being chesty.

Never liked taste of factory milk.

duffyshuffle · 15-01-2014 6:25pm

AstraMonti wrote: »

So I eventually got back my results.

TC | dHDL | LDL | TRI | Tri/HDL Ratio | TC/HDL
6.0 | 2.10 | 3.65 | 0.59 | 0.28 | 2.86

Doc says the results are great. TC and HDL are marked with a * though, meaning they are out of the norm.

Just got some the bloods back, been LCHF for 3 years now but lately and especially Christmas had lots of junk so wanted to test now then again in a few months. Have similar results (but worse) to above I think, any comment on it or what the best ratios and ranges etc?
TC: 5.77
HDL: 1.74
LDL: 3.66
Tri: .81

Back eating so much Brussel sprouts, cabbage, and all the non starchy veg I can, read the calorie myth and found it very interesting, could be worth a look if you haven't read it. Heard it on Dave aspreys podcast, author is Jonathan Bailor. Back in the gym since Christmas too so chasing your numbers now

AstraMonti · 17-01-2014 10:52am

We are not far away on the results, and if you didn't have the junk over christmas you might have been "better". Only time will tell!

Yesterday was in the gym again, but I wasn't feeling great. Probably because I had a bag of crisps before .. (I know I know.. I didn't even like eating them!). It was tough anyway. The worst part was the band pull. We wore an elastic band and the trainer was holding against it while we were trying to run across the room. Was gasping for air by the end of it, had to sit down for few mins to clear my head.

AstraMonti · 18-01-2014 6:34pm

Horrible.. just horrible. Avg Temperature: 0,1 °C on a 2h spin. I 've been out with colder weather but today was just so miserable, my hands and toes were frozen in the first 30mins and I was all soaked and shivering despite the 5 layers of clothes. Was planning to get to Laragh but it was a miracle I reached the lakes.

I had a 3 egg omelette with cheese and bacon in it for breakfast and I shouldn't had; due to the cold I couldn't get my stomach going so I started digesting it when I got back home. I didn't have any lunch, just nibbled on some olives and cheese but for dinner I am preparing a mustard/honey type of pork fillet.

ford2600 · 18-01-2014 6:59pm

The diffetence between irish and Mediterranean genes!
Was out for 7hrs and 185km and thought it was lovely.
Went without any food on bike and felt fine.

Once temperature is north of 25 I'm bollixed though.

AstraMonti · 18-01-2014 7:07pm

7hrs!! Fair play to you, haven't done that since the Evil200. Most of the times I am not cold, but today the combination of almost 0C and the rain killed me.

ford2600 · 18-01-2014 8:25pm

AstraMonti wrote: »

7hrs!! Fair play to you, haven't done that since the Evil200. Most of the times I am not cold, but today the combination of almost 0C and the rain killed me.

Cork area not as cold today, and dry all day.

Cold between 7&9 but lovely after that.

Had 4 bowls of homemade chestnut soup with about 250mls of cream.

Going to tackle a 3 egg omelette now with usual drowning in olive oil.

duffyshuffle · 19-01-2014 9:23pm

AstraMonti wrote: »

We are not far away on the results, and if you didn't have the junk over christmas you might have been "better". Only time will tell!

Yesterday was in the gym again, but I wasn't feeling great. Probably because I had a bag of crisps before .. (I know I know.. I didn't even like eating them!). It was tough anyway. The worst part was the band pull. We wore an elastic band and the trainer was holding against it while we were trying to run across the room. Was gasping for air by the end of it, had to sit down for few mins to clear my head.

Cheers, what ratios do you look for from the test? HDL/Cholesterol ratio and Triglyceride/HDL ratio seem to be the important ones? Or just lower the triglycerides and higher the HDLs? Will be getting a list of all the results of everything this week, any good links for interpreting bloods? Thanks

AstraMonti · 20-01-2014 8:48am

I am not sure anyone can tell you without getting into the medical advice malarkey and because I would like to keep this thread open let's stay away from it

Lumen · 20-01-2014 12:41pm

AstraMonti wrote: »

Debunking The Milk Myth: Why Milk Is Bad For You And Your Bones

Thanks for the link.

Apparently "Vanilla ice cream [in the US] is made from the anal glands of a beaver". Who knew?

I now feel vindicated in owning an ice cream machine. And not living in the US.

AstraMonti · 22-01-2014 3:53pm

I spent some time googling about it some more, apparently it's a "big" issue.
Here are two sites with many references http://www.notmilk.com/ http://www.nomilk.com/

I could get around the same results though for a search on "aliens visiting earth" so..

ford2600 · 23-01-2014 11:02am

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/fat-is-good-the-message-from-a-man-who-swapped-sugar-for-bacon-and-eggs-1.1662117

Paul Kiernan · 23-01-2014 6:42pm

Horizon next Wednesday should also be interesting.

AstraMonti · 24-01-2014 12:22am

Yesterday and today's breakfast was the same, 3 eggs with bacon. Lunch yesterday was chicken, rocket salad and olives and dinner was some salami and cheese followed by protein and milk after the gym. Todays lunch at work was some spinach and a kind of fish that tasted like feet. I had an apple before the gym and after I had a burger with bacon and cheese that I was craving all day.

Gym yesterday, clean jerks with full extended arm and burpies for a whole hour, started with 10 kilos and ended with 50. Tough stuff.
Gym today, 2x300, 25 pullups, 50 40kg squats, 50 kb swings 16kg, 50 squat jumps, 50 press ups, 50 wipers with 40kg bar and 25 pullups to finish it off. Hard is one word to describe it.

My weight is more or less the same, I am still around 78kg, somedays above, somedays below. The fat percentage is much lower and my body is continuing to improving and becoming leaner.

A boat full of carbs

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