Changes in the GAA - super thread

Perifect · 06-03-2019 6:23pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

How have they not been winning fairly?

Mayo senior footballers have a bigger budget, or have had in a number of recent years. Is that unfair to Leitrim or Sligo?

Or are you suggesting that Dublin are cheating by bribing officials, being paid and so on?

spit it out old chap.

According to the Dublin county board accounts, Dublin have been spending 2.5-2.7 a year on their underage. That's serious cash. Look at the list of players that has produced. Before you look at playing games at home and so on, this money alone makes things very unfair.
I don't see any other way of looking at it. Can you tell me how you think Dublin spending 2.7 million a year on player development is in any way fair?

Jaden · 06-03-2019 6:40pm

Perifect wrote: »

So yes, it's commonly accepted that Dublin have not been winning fairly.

...and not one iota of evidence to support the assertion is given. A vague reference to newspapers and radio, a mis-quote of a Dublin Senior Footballer.

The thread that was locked had a poll that showed 70% of people did not want Dublin split, and you use that as evidence to support your claim. Ok.

I will ask once more, I am happy to listen to any evidence that your assertion is commonly accepted. If you have it, please share.

I would accept that within whatever media sources you consume your news from, that there may be a higher proportion of people who agree with your assertion. We call this an Echo Chamber.

Perifect · 06-03-2019 6:46pm

Jaden wrote: »

...and not one iota of evidence to support the assertion is given. A vague reference to newspapers and radio, a mis-quote of a Dublin Senior Footballer.

The thread that was locked had a poll that showed 70% of people did not want Dublin split, and you use that as evidence to support your claim. Ok.

I will ask once more, I am happy to listen to any evidence that your assertion is commonly accepted. If you have it, please share.

I would accept that within whatever media sources you consume your news from, that there may be a higher proportion of people who agree with your assertion. We call this an Echo Chamber.

I just gave you the evidence! It's in the rest of the post you cut. The thread had no poll? What are you talking about? Is Philly McMahon apart of the echo chamber? He said that other counties should try to beat Dublin despite the unfair advantages.

That leads us back to the question I asked that you have ignored again. Why don't Dublin players want to win All Ireland's fairly instead of whinging about other counties wanting fair play?

gaffer91 · 06-03-2019 6:59pm

EICVD wrote: »

Hahaha, we are winning them fairly. Also McMahons point was stop whinging & just come beat us

The funding discrepancy alone is enough to tell you that it's not a level playing field, so definitely not fair.

Bonniedog wrote: »

How have they not been winning fairly?

Mayo senior footballers have a bigger budget, or have had in a number of recent years. Is that unfair to Leitrim or Sligo?

Or are you suggesting that Dublin are cheating by bribing officials, being paid and so on?

spit it out old chap.

As above- the funding discrepancy is the main issue. Mayo are not funded more than Dublin- where are you getting this nonsense from? There are other unfair advantages of course- playing games at home, population etc, but funding is the main one and the single thing that needs to be addressed most urgently.

Jaden wrote: »

The thread that was locked had a poll that showed 70% of people did not want Dublin split, and you use that as evidence to support your claim. Ok.

I will ask once more, I am happy to listen to any evidence that your assertion is commonly accepted. If you have it, please share.

The thread he's referring to didn't have a poll- I started it. You should recall it- you waded in with some confused and ill-informed posts towards the end of it.

Regardless, whether it's "commonly accepted" or not, it's a fact that Dublin have indeed not been winning unfairly. See the reasons above. Or just read this thread or the previous thread.

The only echo chamber is the biased Dublin fans clapping each other on the back and saying that the current state of affairs is fair and should continue.

Do you think it's fair that Dublin have been and continue to be completely overfunded compared to every other county? I don't.

Bonniedog · 06-03-2019 7:11pm

gaffer91 wrote: »

Mayo are not funded more than Dublin- where are you getting this nonsense from? T.

Here:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html

MayoAreMagic · 06-03-2019 7:14pm

Jaden wrote: »

...and not one iota of evidence to support the assertion is given. A vague reference to newspapers and radio, a mis-quote of a Dublin Senior Footballer.

The thread that was locked had a poll that showed 70% of people did not want Dublin split, and you use that as evidence to support your claim. Ok.

I will ask once more, I am happy to listen to any evidence that your assertion is commonly accepted. If you have it, please share.

I would accept that within whatever media sources you consume your news from, that there may be a higher proportion of people who agree with your assertion. We call this an Echo Chamber.

In fairness, Ewan McKenna gives reams and reams of evidence and thoroughly debunks all the tired counter arguments - some of which are reappearing here, and the response from dublin fans is to just personally insult the man en mass, ignore his points, and peddle the same arguments the guy has debunked. The equivalent of a boxer, already beaten, dancing around the ring with his arms in the air.

The reality is, the goal of the Dublin fan in this debate, is not to find an answer, but instead to just go around in circles. They know they are 100% wrong. They know they are financially doped, they know they were alsorans without it. They also know that if they want to keep it this way, they can't admit it. So they won't, and that is because all they care about is Dublin winning. That is what you get when you try to entice fans into something by giving them cheap wins, the fans attracted aren't really bothered about the sport itself.
Hopefully in the future we get leaders who have the balls to stop selling out for a few quid.

Perifect · 06-03-2019 7:17pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Here:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html

Look at the Dublin county board accounts. http://www.stsylvesters.ie/files/dublin-county-board-accounts-2016/view

It busts your claim wide open! Even on the year Mayo had their record spend.

Bonniedog · 06-03-2019 7:22pm

Surely the Indo is not making it up!

Perifect · 06-03-2019 7:25pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Surely the Indo is not making it up!

Did you look at the accounts? Dublin spent 2.7 million on underage in 2016. This is a million over what Mayo spent on their senior team!

gaffer91 · 06-03-2019 7:30pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Here:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html

I've read that two year old article. That only refers to spending on inter- county sides. There's much spending besides. Bear in mind that mileage spending for rural counties is going to be much higher than in Dublin/ Cork without enhancing the team's performance at all (in fact, it just allows those sides to actually field a team which may be impossible otherwise)

All spending within a county is linked. Money spent on other areas will help the senior side, although it may take a few years to have an effect.

Dublin are over-funded relative to every other county- centrally, from sponsorships etc. The figures bear this out. To equalise this, Dublin will need to be underfunded for many years to come- note the analogy I previously made about other forms of doping like Dublin's financial doping. The benefits to the doper last for years afterwards.

Jaden · 06-03-2019 8:20pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

In fairness, Ewan McKenna gives reams and reams of evidence and thoroughly debunks all the tired counter arguments - some of which are reappearing here, and the response from dublin fans is to just personally insult the man en mass, ignore his points, and peddle the same arguments the guy has debunked. The equivalent of a boxer, already beaten, dancing around the ring with his arms in the air.

The reality is, the goal of the Dublin fan in this debate, is not to find an answer, but instead to just go around in circles. They know they are 100% wrong. They know they are financially doped, they know they were alsorans without it. They also know that if they want to keep it this way, they can't admit it. So they won't, and that is because all they care about is Dublin winning. That is what you get when you try to entice fans into something by giving them cheap wins, the fans attracted aren't really bothered about the sport itself.
Hopefully in the future we get leaders who have the balls to stop selling out for a few quid.

Very little of what Ewan writes (or rewrites as the case may be), stands up to any kind of scrutiny. That's not to say he is entirely wrong about everything, but there is no objective analysis in much of what he writes, and none at all in his writings about Dublin. His distain for all things blue is obvious, and at times crass. It taints what might be any semblance of credible claim. Misrepresented facts, coupled with here-say and whataboutery, masking itself dishonestly as balanced journalism.

He is interested in more clicks and an elevated profile, and I doubt much else.

I have tried to play the opinion and not the man, but that is no simple feat given how deeply entrenched his loathing of Dublin is. I would think the five in a row if it comes to pass, might be too much for him.

Jaden · 06-03-2019 8:23pm

Perifect wrote: »

Can you tell me how you think Dublin spending 2.7 million a year on player development is in any way fair?

2.7 million on Underage Games Development. Let's at least be correct, if you are going to make claims.

If I had my way, it would be doubled. I have zero qualms about that.

Dots1982 · 06-03-2019 8:30pm

Jaden wrote: »

2.7 million on Underage Games Development. Let's at least be correct, if you are going to make claims.

If I had my way, it would be doubled. I have zero qualms about that.

So then you can understand why people here have no qualms about calling dublin financially doped?

gaffer91 · 06-03-2019 8:36pm

Jaden wrote: »

Very little of what Ewan writes (or rewrites as the case may be), stands up to any kind of scrutiny. That's not to say he is entirely wrong about everything, but there is no objective analysis in much of what he writes, and none at all in his writings about Dublin. His distain for all things blue is obvious, and at times crass. It taints what might be any semblance of credible claim. Misrepresented facts, coupled with here-say and whataboutery, masking itself dishonestly as balanced journalism.

He is interested in more clicks and an elevated profile, and I doubt much else.

I have tried to play the opinion and not the man, but that is no simple feat given how deeply entrenched his loathing of Dublin is. I would think the five in a row if it comes to pass, might be too much for him.

Your pseudo- intellectual posts are embarrassingly bad.

You realise everything you just wrote is just an attack on the pundit without any evidence or examples?

Most of his claims are accurate (about Dublin GAA and their overfunding at least, I'm not familiar with his other work). Dubs don't like him because he's one of the few pundits who will consistently call them out on their unfair advantages.

Jaden · 06-03-2019 8:39pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

So then you can understand why people here have no qualms about calling dublin financially doped?

I can understand that completely - 100%, zero issue there.

Making a claim, but not providing sufficient evidence to back that claim up, is simply stating an (unfounded) opinion.

The entitlement to an opinion is not a validation in itself of that opinion. Do you understand that?

Dots1982 · 06-03-2019 8:44pm

Jaden wrote: »

I can understand that completely - 100%, zero issue there.

Making a claim, but not providing sufficient evidence to back that claim up, is simply stating an (unfounded) opinion.

The entitlement to an opinion is not a validation in itself of that opinion. Do you understand that?

I understand you’re denying the obvious in the face of overwhelming proof.

Beyond that, no I can’t relate to anything you are posting here and just have to admire the how one person can deceive himself so they don’t have to confront the truth.

Jaden · 06-03-2019 9:14pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

I understand you’re denying the obvious in the face of overwhelming proof.

That is an opinion, and from what I can see, unsubstantiated.

Dots1982 wrote: »

Beyond that, no I can’t relate to anything you are posting here and just have to admire the how one person can deceive himself so they don’t have to confront the truth.

I would respectfully suggest that you can't relate, as you have no desire to relate. That is fair enough, I cannot alter that.

As for what you consider the truth, I cannot seemingly alter that either. I have almost certainly reviewed the same data that you have, but have not been lead to the same conclusions that you have.

I don't think you are blind or deluded in your opinion, I just think you are wrong. Until I am presented with evidence to the contrary, I would imagine the status quo will remain.

blanch152 · 06-03-2019 11:08pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I am fed up with posters bitter about their county's lack of success or jealous of Dublin's success coming on here trying to take money away from the mass participation of kids in our national game.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Well I for one can hand on heart say I'm not jealous of Dublin in any way. Their current situation has been artificially created by sustained financial doping, while opponents are starved of resources at the same time. This was done because, despite having all the tools to dominate the gaa, the state of the game was dire in the county.
For the powers that be to need to basically rig the competition for you to win, to get you to show a decent level of interest isn't something I'd be jealous of.
It is a record to be ashamed of truth be told.

You may claim not to be jealous, but you are certainly very bitter about the situation. As I posed the question as an either or, I seem to have read it right.

Bonniedog · 06-03-2019 11:19pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

So then you can understand why people here have no qualms about calling dublin financially doped?

Typical sleeveen crap.

Get the word doping in!

Fact is that Mayo and other senior teams have spent more on their senior teams than Dublin in several years.

That's who fkn contests the AI. Not the under 12s and under 14s.

Fact is that people like you just hate Dublin. not just the team, but Dublin in general; its people, history (without which you would all be carrying passports with a crown on it), literature, music and so on.

You want to play the snivelling anti Dub well I make no apologies for being proud of my county and its history. And no apologies to anyone

Dots1982 · 07-03-2019 12:10am

Bonniedog wrote: »

Fact is that Mayo and other senior teams have spent more on their senior teams than Dublin in several years

Which other senior teams apart from Mayo have spent more than Dublin in several years?

Norm Peterson · 07-03-2019 11:24am

Bonniedog wrote: »

Typical sleeveen crap.

Get the word doping in!

Fact is that Mayo and other senior teams have spent more on their senior teams than Dublin in several years.

That's who fkn contests the AI. Not the under 12s and under 14s.

Fact is that people like you just hate Dublin. not just the team, but Dublin in general; its people, history (without which you would all be carrying passports with a crown on it), literature, music and so on.

You want to play the snivelling anti Dub well I make no apologies for being proud of my county and its history. And no apologies to anyone

I think most people in this debate are more concerned with having a more competitive championship than it being an example of hating Dublin for the sake of it.

gaffer91 · 07-03-2019 3:19pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Typical sleeveen crap.

Get the word doping in!

Fact is that Mayo and other senior teams have spent more on their senior teams than Dublin in several years.

That's who fkn contests the AI. Not the under 12s and under 14s.

Fact is that people like you just hate Dublin. not just the team, but Dublin in general; its people, history (without which you would all be carrying passports with a crown on it), literature, music and so on.

You want to play the snivelling anti Dub well I make no apologies for being proud of my county and its history. And no apologies to anyone

Drop the victim complex. While I agree that Dublin is a kip, I've no animosity towards Dubs themselves. People just want to ensure a level playing field.

Once again, money spent on underage players and other areas does help the senior side, just not immediately.

Bonniedog · 07-03-2019 9:59pm

gaffer91 wrote: »

Drop the victim complex. While I agree that Dublin is a kip, I've no animosity towards Dubs themselves. People just want to ensure a level playing field.

Once again, money spent on underage players and other areas does help the senior side, just not immediately.

Why would someone of the city of Bernard Brogan, Jimmy Keaveney, James Joyce, Luke Kelly and so on and so forth have a victim complex

seligehgit · 07-03-2019 10:21pm

Mod Warning

Can parties on both sides of the argument debate in a constructive manner.The thread is in danger of yet again descending along normal tribal lines with no meaningful exchange of views.

Just because a poster has a diametrically opposing opinion to that of yours on this subject matter does not mean they are necessarily hostile to your county.

I will be reviewing some posts and some posters would be well advised to do same.

Dots1982 · 07-03-2019 10:27pm

I’m still waiting on an answer to my question about which intercounty teams spent more than Dublin apart from Mayo as your post claims.

Anyway, most Dublin fans do what they should do with the funding issue- deny deny deny. It’s a policy that’s served them well. They can hide behind the reality that the GAA is so complex in terms of national and provincial level finances and the accounts of individual county boards rarely get published . I don’t care about trying to persuade some Dub to see reality when they have no interest in actually getting to the bottom line of the figures each county receives and just wants to follow the trusted path of complete denial.

Dublin have won GAA at Leinster level. It’s over, Dublin are the best team period. No one is ever going to beat them. The crowds are reflecting that and will continue to reflect that.

No debates about funding will ever change how the GAA do their business so effectively everyone here is wasting their time.

What will change how the GAA is ran is when they see no one is going to matches and croker is half empty for all Ireland’s semis or finals are left with tickets unsold.

I don’t care about arguing with Dubs. They have won this debate. They have taken the rest of the country, the GAA and the GAA media for being fools.

But debates don’t matter, ticket sales do.

OldMrBrennan83 · 07-03-2019 10:31pm

Dublin's dominance may well be a factor in dropping attendances, but it definitely isn't the only one.

Dots1982 · 07-03-2019 10:36pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Dublin's dominance may well be a factor in dropping attendances, but it definitely isn't the only one.

It’s the main one. If your team qualifies for Leinster final or all ireland semi and you know that really you have almost no chance of winning it ... why bother go to the earlier rounds? Because you know in the end you’re only there as cannon fodder so why bother.

It used to be any team in an all ireland semi could win Sam. But that’s not the case anymore.

People in most countys outside Dublin don’t give a suffering ****e if their county wins an all ireland or Leinster scoring 2 points a game playing eyesore football. But you take away a county’s dream to ever win a Sam or a Leinster and people will just opt out.

OldMrBrennan83 · 07-03-2019 10:39pm

Dublin aren't making a lot of teams play absolute muck from an entertainment standpoint. Whatever about winning, if people aren't entertained (or worse, are annoyed and bored) they won't go.

Dots1982 · 07-03-2019 10:48pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Dublin aren't making a lot of teams play absolute muck from an entertainment standpoint. Whatever about winning, if people aren't entertained (or worse, are annoyed and bored) they won't go.

Sorry but you’re simply wrong.

Donegal played to packed houses in croker from the quarter finals on in the year they won the all ireland. Did the masses go because they loved the style of football? Did 81000 go to the infamous Dublin donegal semi in 2011 because they were mesmerized by donegals defensive masterclass?

Same with Tyrone when they were playing “puke football”.

If you think a county’s fans give two hoots for the quality of football when their team could win an all ireland doing it then you don’t understand football fans in any county outside Dublin and Kerry.

Fann Linn · 08-03-2019 8:13am

Dots1982 wrote: »

It’s the main one. If your team qualifies for Leinster final or all ireland semi and you know that really you have almost no chance of winning it ... why bother go to the earlier rounds? Because you know in the end you’re only there as cannon fodder so why bother.

It used to be any team in an all ireland semi could win Sam. But that’s not the case anymore.

People in most countys outside Dublin don’t give a suffering ****e if their county wins an all ireland or Leinster scoring 2 points a game playing eyesore football. But you take away a county’s dream to ever win a Sam or a Leinster and people will just opt out.

Equally applies to Kerry and Munster.

Dots1982 · 08-03-2019 8:51am

Fann Linn wrote: »

Equally applies to Kerry and Munster.

Applies but not equally. Munster football was at its best a contest between kerry and cork with Limerick pushing. Leinster at its best was a race between 5 or 6 counties who could beat each other.

Now kerry will win the next 5 Munsters but it’s not dead. Cork will eventually come back. Leinster football is dead.

gaffer91 · 08-03-2019 11:50am

Dots1982 wrote: »

Now kerry will win the next 5 Munsters but it’s not dead. Cork will eventually come back. Leinster football is dead.

And the All- Ireland is heading the same way.

This is why the "what about Kilkenny" argument doesn't hold up. First off, they never had the funding and other advantages that Dublin currently have. And secondly, it was always obvious that their reign would eventually come to an end.

As other people have pointed out, this isn't "one great side"- there's terrific new players coming on board every year for Dublin and this doesn't look like it's going to end.

Jaden · 08-03-2019 12:43pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

Applies but not equally. Munster football was at its best a contest between kerry and cork with Limerick pushing. Leinster at its best was a race between 5 or 6 counties who could beat each other.

Now kerry will win the next 5 Munsters but it’s not dead. Cork will eventually come back. Leinster football is dead.

I think it is fair to say the Munster Championship was never fully alive to begin with.
130 Years Running, Kerry have won 80 of them.

Between Cork and Kerry they have won all but 1 of the last 83 Munster titles.
Munster has not been anything except a toss up between Kerry and Cork in almost a century.

Limerick, whom you reference as "pushing" last won Munster in 1896, when Queen Victoria was still on the throne.

Kerry are going for 9 titles of the last 10 this year, and I see no reason that that won't be 14 of the last 15 five years from now, given that Cork are going backwards at an alarming rate.

Both Provinces are extremely one sided currently, of that there is no doubt, but only one of them has even a vague possibility of reversing the status quo, and it ain't Munster.

Dots1982 · 08-03-2019 1:08pm

Jaden wrote: »

I think it is fair to say the Munster Championship was never fully alive to begin with.
130 Years Running, Kerry have won 80 of them.

Between Cork and Kerry they have won all but 1 of the last 83 Munster titles.
Munster has not been anything except a toss up between Kerry and Cork in almost a century.

Limerick, whom you reference as "pushing" last won Munster in 1896, when Queen Victoria was still on the throne.

Kerry are going for 9 titles of the last 10 this year, and I see no reason that that won't be 14 of the last 15 five years from now, given that Cork are going backwards at an alarming rate.

Both Provinces are extremely one sided currently, of that there is no doubt, but only one of them has even a vague possibility of reversing the status quo, and it ain't Munster.

Nah, Leinster football is RIP. Dublin have won GAA in the province. The interest is gone in both the fans and players in Kildare and Meath don’t have enough talent coming through. Meath’s one minor Leinster championship this decade does not compete with Dublin’s 4 all Ireland under 21 titles this decade. It’s not war anymore, it’s just servitude.

Cork will always have population and tradition so will eventually get their act together and be a threat again. They have a truly terrible team at the moment but GAA is a numbers game so they’ll always be in play.

Be well and win · 11-03-2019 11:11am

Dots1982 wrote: »

Which other senior teams apart from Mayo have spent more than Dublin in several years?

Full list for all intercounty teams (in Hurling and football) for 2017 is here. Cork would be impacted by mileage rates due to the size of the county

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/revealed-here-is-how-much-your-county-spent-on-its-teams-in-2017-with-dublin-only-the-second-biggest-spenders-36576369.html

Perifect · 11-03-2019 5:12pm

What's with these team expenses lists? These are based mostly on travel costs so clearly Dublin are getting more than their fair share. The real scandal is the games development funding, this is where there's a huge gap between Dublin and everyone else.

Bonniedog · 11-03-2019 7:02pm

We could go into fact that of the top spending teams only Dublin and Cork and Galway have been competitive across all GAA sports at all levels. Which means that others are spending disproportionately on their senior football and senior hurling teams than others. Another figure that has been previously linked.

Armagh is one that jumps out at me. That is large amount on, one presumes, almost exclusively a pretty mediocre senior football team. But, that is their business.

Perifect · 11-03-2019 7:05pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

We could go into fact that of the top spending teams only Dublin and Cork and Galway have been competitive across all GAA sports at all levels. Which means that others are spending disproportionately on their senior football and senior hurling teams than others. Another figure that has been previously linked.

Armagh is one that jumps out at me. That is large amount on, one presumes, almost exclusively a pretty mediocre senior football team. But, that is their business.

Dublin don't have anywhere near the travel expenses of other counties, what are they spending that money on? This money is, of course, separate from the 35 million in games development funding, isn't it?

Bonniedog · 11-03-2019 7:59pm

Armagh is not exactly fkn Alaska :-)

Perifect · 11-03-2019 8:04pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Armagh is not exactly fkn Alaska :-)

That's the year they got to the All Ireland quarter final. Are you just going to ignore any questions about Dublin? Honestly, I'd be far more surprised if a Dublin supporter gave a straight answer.

MayoAreMagic · 11-03-2019 10:27pm

This notion that other senior teams spend more than Dublin do is just plain disingenuous. The years Mayo spent more than Dublin, they played far more games than Dublin due to their route through the back door and various replays etc. Dublin still spent more per game than anyone, by a mile.
That is on top of the fact that mayo require multiples of the fixed costs it takes to get the dublin team onto the pitch.

It is a knowingly dishonest point. For anyone to make this point and then try to high horse about Ewan McKenna, is laughable.

Perifect · 11-03-2019 11:19pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

This notion that other senior teams spend more than Dublin do is just plain disingenuous. The years Mayo spent more than Dublin, they played far more games than Dublin due to their route through the back door and various replays etc. Dublin still spent more per game than anyone, by a mile.
That is on top of the fact that mayo require multiples of the fixed costs it takes to get the dublin team onto the pitch.

It is a knowingly dishonest point. For anyone to make this point and then try to high horse about Ewan McKenna, is laughable.

It's really disappointing. I've never heard one Dub in the media or anywhere just state the obvious. This is extremely unfair. It's not right. Everyone knows it's not right. The county with the greatest natural advantages is getting by far the most financial resources. It should be the other way round, the county that's the most disadvantaged should be getting the highest assistance.

Bonniedog · 11-03-2019 11:22pm

Perifect wrote: »

It's really disappointing. I've never heard one Dub in the media or anywhere just state the obvious. This is extremely unfair. It's not right. Everyone knows it's not right. The county with the greatest natural advantages is getting by far the most financial resources. It should be the other way round, the county that's the most disadvantaged should be getting the highest assistance.

You sound like a bit of a red.

From our cold dead hands, I say!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5WJJVSE_BE

Perifect · 11-03-2019 11:28pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

You sound like a bit of a red.

From our cold dead hands, I say!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5WJJVSE_BE

The communists are out to get us! Reds under the bed. The GAA should be a socialist organisation in fairness. The sickening capitalism is destroying the organisation.

gaffer91 · 12-03-2019 2:43pm

Perifect wrote: »

It's really disappointing. I've never heard one Dub in the media or anywhere just state the obvious. This is extremely unfair. It's not right. Everyone knows it's not right. The county with the greatest natural advantages is getting by far the most financial resources. It should be the other way round, the county that's the most disadvantaged should be getting the highest assistance.

I agree- I haven't spoken to a single Dub online or in person who can analyse things in an unbiased way and acknowledge the unfair advantages they have, and the need to remedy these advantages. They're happy for the inter- county game to decline so they can continue to dominate.

You even see it with the obfuscation over the last few pages about spending- just a total failure to acknowledge Dublin receive much more funding than every other county and benefit from this county.

Ewan Mackenna touched on the Mayo vs Dublin 2017 spending one year in an interview with Dunphy- basically cited catering and mileage as skewing things massively upwards for Mayo. Nothing like the financial doping Dublin have had.

Bonniedog · 12-03-2019 2:49pm

give it a fkn rest.

gaffer91 · 12-03-2019 3:12pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

give it a fkn rest.

I will once people stop defending it and things are remedied

OldMrBrennan83 · 12-03-2019 4:28pm

gaffer91 wrote: »

I will once people stop defending it and things are remedied

Or until your county starts winning at least.

gaffer91 · 12-03-2019 7:26pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Or until your county starts winning at least.

Nah- Dublin's financial doping needs to be addressed regardless of who wins.

Unlikely they'll stop winning the way things are anyway.

MayoAreMagic · 12-03-2019 10:17pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Or until your county starts winning at least.

Such a bad way of looking at the thing.

If my county won the all Ireland by being placed into the position that Dublin are in now, I'd actually feel ashamed. I'm not saying that to wind up Dublin posters, it's the genuine truth. Its laughably biased and the end result is actually damaging the game itself - all that so we can actually win? Jesus Christ, give me mayos depressing record over that any day.

I don't see how any self respecting gaa fan who is from a county capable of genuinely challenging could be any different.
Like in 20 years people will more than likely look back on this period and place a large asterix beside it, so what are Dublin actually gaining? Sure anyone with a bit of cop on can see that these wins are as tainted as it gets. In truth, the gaa are in fact, milking money out of the people of dublin with this set up. That is its motivation.

So to address your point, no its nothing to do with my own county winning for me anyway. There is a bigger picture at play.

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