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What was that about in strokestown?

  • 16-12-2018 2:46pm
    #1
    Neddyusa
    Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭


    Anyone know the background to the farm eviction in Strokestown?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057938456[/URL]

    Elderly brothers and sister evicted from their home by force on Tuesday.
    House occupied by Loyalist heavies on behalf of KBC up until lastnight, when their vans were burned out by locals.

    Whatever about taking the land if its not been paid for, surely this is woeful stupidity by KBC to employ UVF thugs to evict them from their home - given the inevitable reaction!


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  • #2
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,482 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Neddyusa wrote: »
    Anyone know the background to the farm eviction in Strokestown?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057938456[/URL]

    Elderly brothers and sister evicted from their home by force on Tuesday.
    House occupied by Loyalist heavies on behalf of KBC up until lastnight, when their vans were burned out by locals.

    Whatever about taking the land if its not been paid for, its crazy stuff by KBC to employ UVF thugs to evict them from their home!

    And the attack this morning at 0530am aswell. I've a strange feeling there's some sort of paramilitary involvement there


  • #3
    148multi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭148multi


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Local shop sells drums of kerosene. Does a great trade in them. Often wondered what system the people who use them have for putting them in the tank, or Could you just feed the boiler direct from the drum like the detergent on the milk tank?

    Wonder how these hardy boys transported the fuel and pumped it. Strokestown living up to it's name, apparently they were fairly rough with the people when evicting them, an ex member of AGS and friend who was visiting the property at the time got a walloping.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=371193600096894&id=100016187709254


  • #4
    Neddyusa
    Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    Video on Facebook from woman who was at the house this morning.

    https://www.facebook.com/anna.kavanagh.102/videos/10216311422805514/?__tn__=%2CdlCH-R-R&eid=ARCpB2GqorQwF8gF9oQkMH6lKVK9HgVR7tj4XAIl4OvvtnJx80JIWwuQ3T1zl3x_v1kMfGffl4i2jPzk&hc_ref=ARRupi95U8UhRX6vZebV1FDAhadOHfnMf469Y1OANnv2UjfbLmrPxljuUBn25v3jb7g


  • #5
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    ""Ah ya some northerns came down to repossess a house about 25 of them and beat some of the lads in the house and last night about 70 lads came back to take the house back"" a locals take on it


  • #6
    148multi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭148multi


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    ""Ah ya some northerns came down to repossess a house about 25 of them and beat some of the lads in the house and last night about 70 lads came back to take the house back"" a locals take on it

    (locals) a lot of cross border traffic


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  • #7
    foxy farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭foxy farmer


    148multi wrote: »
    (locals) a lot of cross border traffic

    A hard border would stop that carry on.


  • #8
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,482 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    foxy farmer wrote: »
    A hard border would stop that carry on.

    Stop it


  • #9
    148multi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭148multi


    Reggie. wrote: »
    And the attack this morning at 0530am aswell. I've a strange feeling there's some sort of paramilitary involvement there

    The rents around strokestown will go sky high with all the lads that want to be locals.


  • #10
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    148multi wrote: »
    (locals) a lot of cross border traffic

    Local as in a lad i know lives in strokestown and i asked what happened


  • #11
    Brown Podzol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Brown Podzol


    foxy farmer wrote: »
    A hard border would stop that carry on.


    Not according to Seamus O Rouark.


    https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/local-news/351565/watch-seamus-o-rourke-goes-viral-again-with-his-unique-take-on-brexit-in-hilarious-new-video.html


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  • #12
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,231 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1216/1017458-roscommon-attack/

    House recently repossessed. TD raised issue about an eviction. Security were on site overnight when a large crowd came with baseball bats and attacked them, setting fire to vehicles and killing a few dogs.


    Anyone know the backstory?


    Or know what was the story with a recent repossession in Roscommon?


  • #13
    148multi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭148multi


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    Local as in a lad i know lives in strokestown and i asked what happened

    Wasn't attacking your post, most people I talked to didn't know the lads involved this morning.


  • #14
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Mod note A few posts pulled in to a seperate thread from chit chat.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #15
    TCM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    148multi wrote:
    (locals) a lot of cross border traffic


    They'll need visas soon enough.


  • #16
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,078 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Reggie. wrote: »
    And the attack this morning at 0530am aswell. I've a strange feeling there's some sort of paramilitary involvement there

    Thing is you call them boys for a hand and you have to keep paying them back for a long time to repay the favor


  • #17
    Never wrestle with pigs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭Never wrestle with pigs


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    Thing is you call them boys for a hand and you have to keep paying them back for a long time to repay the favor

    Wouldn't think so in this case. Don't know the back story only it's in the same family for 3 generations and 3 siblings lived in the house, one passed away not long ago. Circumstances changed that leads to the eviction. What ever about the debt and having to go fair enough.

    Sending down ex uvf heavys to illaglly evict is a big no no that scratches the nerve/core of allot of Irish people. "In my opinion" this is what needs to be stamped out quickly before it's normal. Good work lads.


  • #18
    worded
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭worded


    Neddyusa wrote: »
    Anyone know the background to the farm eviction in Strokestown?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057938456[/URL]

    Elderly brothers and sister evicted from their home by force on Tuesday.
    House occupied by Loyalist heavies on behalf of KBC up until lastnight, when their vans were burned out by locals.

    Whatever about taking the land if its not been paid for, surely this is woeful stupidity by KBC to employ UVF thugs to evict them from their home - given the inevitable reaction!

    KBC - The Bank Of U VF


  • #19
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    It's an opportunity too for certain political persuasions to give a warning of what may happen again with a hard border.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • #20
    Caranica
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,141 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    A lot more information on the financial situation that led to the eviction in this article

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigate-dissident-links-to-predawn-attack-at-repossessed-house-37632029.html


  • #21
    oneten
    Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭oneten


    Caranica wrote: »
    A lot more information on the financial situation that led to the eviction in this article

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigate-dissident-links-to-predawn-attack-at-repossessed-house-37632029.html

    If that article is correct, then I'd have no sympathy for them
    Unlikely cabot knowingly hired UVF heavies, but I'd have no sympathy for any kind of heavies either,if you want to be a hard man take what comes.

    Edit ; just to clarify I mean no sympathy for the owner
    going by the article KBC has nothing to do with current events ,they sold the debt


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  • #22
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    The elderly people evicted over refusing to pay what they owe won’t be moving back into that place now so I can’t see the point in this whole sorry exercise.


  • #23
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    splinter65 wrote: »
    The elderly people evicted over refusing to pay what they owe won’t be moving back into that place now so I can’t see the point in this whole sorry exercise.

    50

    Would have been 40-something when it was all going on


  • #24
    Suckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Suckler


    oneten wrote: »
    If that article is correct, then I'd have no sympathy for them
    Unlikely cabot knowingly hired UVF heavies, but I'd have no sympathy for any kind of heavies either,if you want to be a hard man take what comes.

    People like him not paying debts (not just the bank/Revenue/local suppliers) then dragging it out through the courts only make it harder for you-& everyone else that genuinely borrow from banks. The more this stuff goes on the more KBC type banks we'll end up with. Local branches won't want to know in case it goes wrong, easier to blame faceless KBC/vulture fund/UVF etc. We've an incredibly naive and immature attitude to people who won't pay debts. "Poor old farming family" my arse, then knew what they were at.


  • #25
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    gctest50 wrote: »
    50

    Would have been 40-something when it was all going on

    So they’re only in their 50s now? Play silly games, win silly prizes then.


  • #26
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Back in 2008 the quarry had to get a judgement against them for €18,000


  • #27
    148multi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭148multi


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Back in 2008 the quarry had to get a judgement against them for €18,000

    Its alleged one brother ran up a nice bill in a local pub. Not quiet as bad as the quarry.


  • #28
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,619 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Tax defaulters cut us all short, they deny money to essential services in hospitals and schools.

    Nobody would condone outright violence but the court made the decision and the property was to be taken. Rest of us pay our taxes and struggle along, why should these people get a free pass and sympathy when their reckless lifestyle catches up with them.

    I’ve said before even though it’s unpopular. Farms cane be exempt from repossession for had debts. We all borrow money and we all understand that if you don’t pay the security needs to be taken to cover the debt. It’s the way a functioning finance system works.

    it damages the overall reputation of farmers when bad debts can’t be recovered and they are then less and less likely to lend out against securities they can never recover.


  • #29
    oneten
    Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭oneten


    Suckler wrote: »
    People like him not paying debts (not just the bank/Revenue/local suppliers) then dragging it out through the courts only make it harder for you-& everyone else that genuinely borrow from banks. The more this stuff goes on the more KBC type banks we'll end up with. Local branches won't want to know in case it goes wrong, easier to blame faceless KBC/vulture fund/UVF etc. We've an incredibly naive and immature attitude to people who won't pay debts. "Poor old farming family" my arse, then knew what they were at.

    Just to clarify ,by "them" I ment the farmer not the heavies , no sympathy for any of them


  • #30
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    The same thing is going to end up happening over a block of land in wexford. Banks have the land sold on but the man they repossessed it off isn't giving up and has managed to sow and harvest the crop every year


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  • #31
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    The same thing is going to end up happening over a block of land in wexford. Banks have the land sold on but the man they repossessed it off isn't giving up and has managed to sow and harvest the crop every year

    Similar carry-on here, but the new owner put up a mass concrete wall at the entrance after previous owner cut his barley off it and planted it with osr that night, you wouldn’t mind but the particular family in question left north of a million owing to various creditors when they went bust and still go around with necks on them like a jockeys b****k


  • #32
    water-man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭water-man


    No sympathy for the farmer here after reading that article. Yes it terrible to lose the family farm but piling up debts and not engaging to get a repayment plan I'm sorry but you can't blame anyone else.

    You have to remember that getting your home repossessed in Ireland is extremely hard for a bank to do. You have to be really not engaging for an extended period of time for a judge to give the order.


  • #33
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Similar carry-on here, but the new owner put up a mass concrete wall at the entrance after previous owner cut his barley off it and planted it with osr that night, you wouldn’t mind but the particular family in question left north of a million owing to various creditors when they went bust and still go around with necks on them like a jockeys b****k

    They haven't met these lads so. They got a loading shovel and made a new entrance after the rest were closed up
    They get 4 or 5 sowers and sow 70 acres in a few hours and then get 4 or 5 combines and cut it all in a few hours.
    Security on this land all the time and they still manage to get it done


  • #34
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    water-man wrote: »
    No sympathy for the farmer here after reading that article. Yes it terrible to lose the family farm but piling up debts and not engaging to get a repayment plan I'm sorry but you can't blame anyone else.

    You have to remember that getting your home repossessed in Ireland is extremely hard for a bank to do. You have to be really not engaging for an extended period of time for a judge to give the order.

    It's it a bank though. It's a vulture fund. They seem to be completely unregulated and do what they like


  • #35
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    It's it a bank though. It's a vulture fund. They seem to be completely unregulated and do what they like
    How so?


  • #36
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    _Brian wrote:
    I’ve said before even though it’s unpopular. Farms cane be exempt from repossession for had debts. We all borrow money and we all understand that if you don’t pay the security needs to be taken to cover the debt. It’s the way a functioning finance system works.


    'Behind every bad borrower, is a bad lender'!


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  • #37
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    It's it a bank though. It's a vulture fund. They seem to be completely unregulated and do what they like


    It was under-declaration of VAT



    Co. Roscommon farmer <snip> is the farmer with the largest figure on the tax defaulters list.

    In 2015, Revenue secured a settlement totalling €429,501 against the evicted man as a tax defaulter for the under declaration of VAT. It included €177,000 in tax owed, almost €75,000 in interest, and more than €177,000 in penalties.


    Before that, in 2008 the quarry had to get a judgement against them for €18,000


  • #38
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Had former loyalists not been involved, this story would have generated a completely different reaction, the rogue borrowers could not have hoped for better PR as everyone has a negative view of the heavies employed.

    The bank has sh1t for brains.


  • #39
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    It's it a bank though. It's a vulture fund. They seem to be completely unregulated and do what they like

    Not true, if you continue paying your mortgage, you have nothing to worry about.


  • #40
    yewtree
    Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭yewtree


    Its a terrible circumstances for the family and the videos look horrendous of the eviction.
    but when any of us sign loans and give land as security this is the consequence of failure to meet repayments. Repossession wont occur after a few missed repayments either its years of failing to pay before this happens. at some stage people have to take personal responsibility for their own decisions.


  • #41
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    They haven't met these lads so. They got a loading shovel and made a new entrance after the rest were closed up
    They get 4 or 5 sowers and sow 70 acres in a few hours and then get 4 or 5 combines and cut it all in a few hours.
    Security on this land all the time and they still manage to get it done

    A few lumps of angle iron/chains/drive shafts of cars scattered throughout the crops wouldn’t be longing softening the aboves cough to be fair


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  • #42
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Mad_maxx wrote:
    The bank has sh1t for brains.


    Banks employ some damn intelligent people, making easy money


  • #43
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    KBC were also the last of the banks to be hauled in and told to reduce Non Performing Loans to the EU average



    European regulatory authorities have focused in the past 18 months on pressing domestic Irish banks to come up with detailed plans to cut their NPL ratios to the 5 per cent EU average, prompting Permanent TSB and AIB to engage in loan sales.

    However, regulatory attention is now turning to overseas-owned Irish banks with high levels of problem loans.

    - https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/kbc-ireland-assesses-options-to-materially-reduce-bad-loans-1.3558196


  • #44
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,078 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    A few lumps of angle iron/chains/drive shafts of cars scattered throughout the crops wouldn’t be longing softening the aboves cough to be fair

    Or a lock of cattle in to graze the barley


  • #45
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Or just test some Genetically Modified crops there

    And inform all the grain processors the crop is not fit for animal or human consumption


  • #46
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    Or a lock of cattle in to graze the barley

    A few friendly travelers and horses would be the real job, if the boys start messing with the horses they wouldn’t be long getting taken care off, plenty of ways to skin a cat haha


  • #47
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Go for a stroll in the fields with a Tyvek suit n gloves & no-one will go near it


    y3zhAE1.jpg


    adopt a slightly wonky dog as a pet for maximum effect :

    XOq8bND.jpg


    "He, amm fell. Yes fell off the wall"

    .


  • #48
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    How so?

    Disedent loyalists employed to do the eviction. If it was a proper bank or money lender they would have been the last people employed


  • #49
    wrangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Not true, if you continue paying your mortgage, you have nothing to worry about.


    True, I got into trouble in the 80s, I found them tough but fair, They did deals then, but still it wasn't easy.
    Debt would double very quickly at up to 18% interest


  • #50
    twin_beacon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭twin_beacon


    whats the background to this story, as in why was the house being repossessed?


  • #51
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    twin_beacon wrote: »
    whats the background to this story, as in why was the house being repossessed?

    Read the thread. Owed close to half a million to Revenue due to under declaration of VAT.


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