Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

893bet · 18-10-2020 9:50pm

Cyrus wrote: »

Yes 42mm

The deep stream and blue dialled were run out models
I think .

Had a squint but can’t make maths work. It’s a little bigger than I would like. Would need to handle it before buying so that’s a zero chance! This has grown on me a lot.

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Think the one on TZ would look good in Fitz collection....

Fitz II · 18-10-2020 10:21pm

893bet wrote: »

Think the one on TZ would look good in Fitz collection....

Away foul temptress

Eoin · 19-10-2020 10:49am

unkel wrote: »

Both very nice, but the blue has the edge for me!

Deal done on a blue one - now to sit here and wait impatiently...

Sebastian Dangerfield · 21-10-2020 8:03am

I'm on the verge of buying a Seiko Presage, and am torn between the Mockingbird (srpd37j1) and the Mojito (srpe45j1). Anyone have views they'd care to share that might help to decide?

I realise green dials probably aren't to everyones taste. Id probably lean towards the Mojito; whats putting me off a little are the smaller size and the strap (the latter easily fixed, I know).

Cyclingtourist · 21-10-2020 9:50am

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

I'm on the verge of buying a Seiko Presage, and am torn between the Mockingbird (srpd37j1) and the Mojito (srpe45j1). Anyone have views they'd care to share that might help to decide?

I realise green dials probably aren't to everyones taste. Id probably lean towards the Mojito; whats putting me off a little are the smaller size and the strap (the latter easily fixed, I know).

They both remind me of the Orient Bambino. Given a choice I'd go for the Mojito. Nice looking dress watches.
Both have the 4R35 movement which is the same as in my recent purchase of a Seiko SRPE53 (Seiko 5) but without the day complication. You're paying the extra for a more sophisticated dial.

Fitz II · 21-10-2020 2:31pm

Whats in your watchbox that will be work 175k in 50 years?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-54631014

Lorddrakul · 21-10-2020 3:04pm

OK, I'll admit it I may have a problem.

I'm a watch fan and I've bought a timegrapher.

But it's worth it!

Here's the Alpha M1957 with the Sea Gull ST1903 movement:

Here's my Zeish 7750 flieger. No service history, owned for about three years:

Not bad!

Could do with a service, but will be grand for now.

Thirdfox · 21-10-2020 4:37pm

If you want to get the right amplitude you have to make sure the lift angle is set correctly (in case you didn't know about that).

Reports online vary but a lift angle of around 50 degrees is what should be inputted apparently.

Lorddrakul · 21-10-2020 4:45pm

Thirdfox wrote: »

If you want to get the right amplitude you have to make sure the lift angle is set correctly (in case you didn't know about that).

Reports online vary but a lift angle of around 50 degrees is what should be inputted apparently.

Yea, spot on.

There seems to be some debate on this.

The ST19 series of movements is based on the old Venus 175, with a lift angle of 42 degrees.

However, when Sea Gull made it a little more robust and fit for use in military applications, it became 47-49.

Having looked about a fair bit, a grown up (actual horologist) suggested that after some experimentation 47 degrees produced the best result. So that's what I used.

That does give a slightly low amplitude reading but as the watch had been running for about 16 hours after a full wind at this point, I was happy enough with that.

The watch was only acquired in November of last year, so I'm not really concerned in terms of mainspring.

Fitz II · 21-10-2020 6:50pm

unkel · 21-10-2020 7:00pm

Stud who likes his watches but probably doesn't even know what a timegrapher is

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Lorddrakul · 21-10-2020 7:01pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Oi, I resemble that remark!

Wibbs · 21-10-2020 7:07pm

Lorddrakul wrote: »

Oi, I resemble that remark!

That's why I prefer to live in blissful ignorance, something I find remarkably easy to attain.

banie01 · 21-10-2020 7:47pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Is the it the other half of the collection?
Or the actual other half

that needs the service tho :P

Pablo_Flox · 23-10-2020 4:04pm

Question for some people with a bit more experience than myself...

If one had an Omega watch but the the warranty card was never filled out, would I be correct in saying that it wouldn't be covered for any repairs under the 5 year Omega warranty?

Birneybau · 24-10-2020 10:06pm

Just want to wish Wibbs good luck resetting all his watches at 2 a.m.

We're rooting for you.

Wibbs · 24-10-2020 10:20pm

Birney, You utter C U Next Tuesday!:mad::D:D I'd completely forgotten about that. :eek:

Birneybau · 24-10-2020 10:35pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Birney, You utter C U Next Tuesday!:mad::D:D I'd completely forgotten about that. :eek:

C You Next Next Tuesday (3rd November).

micks_address · 25-10-2020 1:46pm

Hi folks,

Question on bezel insert on my 300m. I think my insert is off alignment. It should line up with the bezel point. I had the watch back for a service/polish with watchfix. They reckon the insert is where it should be but before I sent it in it was as per the second picture. It should be easy for it to be moved back? It's not that big of a deal to be honest but just a little annoying.

Chris reckons there always play in the bezel but I don't think it's anything to do with the bezel?

Before it went in

00100lr-PORTRAIT-00100-BURST20200421185917372-COVER.jpg

david · 25-10-2020 2:28pm

micks_address wrote: »

Hi folks,

Question on bezel insert on my 300m. I think my insert is off alignment. It should line up with the bezel point. I had the watch back for a service/polish with watchfix. They reckon the insert is where it should be but before I sent it in it was as per the second picture. It should be easy for it to be moved back? It's not that big of a deal to be honest but just a little annoying.

Chris reckons there always play in the bezel but I don't think it's anything to do with the bezel?

https://i.ibb.co/8cvVnZ5/Screenshot-20201025-121842.png

Before it went in

https://i.ibb.co/YfVJK9r/00100lr-PORTRAIT-00100-BURST20200421185917372-COVER.jpg

It’s a 5 minute job, I’d defo get the insert re mounted, that’d annoy the heck out of me. Ruins the symmetry of a gorgeous watch. He had the insert off for polish and didn’t align it before glueing it back on. Sent him both pictures if you haven’t already.

It’s nothing to do with the bezel, there’s 60/120 notches milled into the base of it that can’t change relative to the spring underneath or the notches on the top

micks_address · 25-10-2020 2:33pm

david wrote: »

It’s a 5 minute job, I’d defo get the insert re mounted, that’d annoy the heck out of me. Ruins the symmetry of a gorgeous watch. He had the insert off for polish and didn’t align it before glueing it back on. Sent him both pictures if you haven’t already.

It’s nothing to do with the bezel, there’s 60/120 notches milled into the base of it that can’t change relative to the spring underneath or the notches on the top

Have already but he's not acknowledging the alignment..

Fitz II · 25-10-2020 2:40pm

micks_address wrote: »

Have already but he's not acknowledging the alignment..

can you put up a photo with the 12 o'clock pip to 12 o'clock like in the before, there is usually a little backlash on a SMP300 so put it in its most aligned position.

micks_address · 25-10-2020 2:42pm

Fitz II wrote: »

can you put up a photo with the 12 o'clock pip to 12 o'clock like in the before, there is usually a little backlash on a SMP300 so put it in its most aligned position.

Like this?

He's aligned it between two points instead of at a point on the bezel

Cyrus · 25-10-2020 2:50pm

Jaysus that’s way off

Fitz II · 25-10-2020 3:13pm

Yep, thats a mile off, that wouldn't even escape the Seiko factory.

david · 25-10-2020 3:15pm

He hasn’t even aligned it between two points - looks like it was arbitrarily mounted with no regard to positioning.

From the stock pics, it’s aligned with a point from factory.

micks_address · 25-10-2020 3:26pm

david wrote: »

He hasn’t even aligned it between two points - looks like it was arbitrarily mounted with no regard to positioning.

From the stock pics, it’s aligned with a point from factory.

Yep

Thirdfox · 25-10-2020 3:32pm

Pablo_Flox wrote: »

Question for some people with a bit more experience than myself...

If one had an Omega watch but the the warranty card was never filled out, would I be correct in saying that it wouldn't be covered for any repairs under the 5 year Omega warranty?

Don't know if you have an answer to that or not. I would *think* that the answer is that as long as you can prove you are still within 5 years of purchasing the watch you shouldn't have an issue - i.e. credit card receipt etc.

If it's a warranty card from 20 years ago that's unfilled I think you're out of luck there - the filling in of the card is needed (in lieu of proof of purchase from AD/boutique) so they know when to start the clock on the warranty.

Oh and (random musings as a lawyer) - if the Omega model you're looking to have warranty work done is out less than 5 years then ipso facto it couldn't possibly have passed its 5 year warranty period - though Omega could always argue that you stole the watch if you don't have proof of purchase/filled in warranty card :P

banie01 · 25-10-2020 4:00pm

Would I be mad to drop the idea of waiting for the call from an AD for a Rolex and going with a couple of 2nd hand Tudors instead?

I love the old style Pelagos and could pair that with a Black bay 41 58 with a red or blue bezel

I know I could buy the Rollie whenever the call comes and flip it for profit, but TBH I don't think I want the effort of waiting for the paper's and selling on.

Fitz II · 25-10-2020 4:09pm

banie01 wrote: »

Would I be mad to drop the idea of waiting for the call from an AD for a Rolex and going with a couple of 2nd hand Tudors instead?

I love the old style Pelagos and could pair that with a Black bay 41 with a red or blue bezel?

I know I could buy the Rollie whenever the call comes and flip it for profit, but TBH I don't think I want the effort of waiting for the paper's and selling on.

The BB41 is a thick watch, not many seem to keep them. Pelagos seems popular. There is a BB58 black on TZ at the moment for 2760 gbp which is retail on a watch that sells over retail, its basically new. I am impressed with tudor....but one is enough.

893bet · 25-10-2020 4:10pm

banie01 wrote: »

Would I be mad to drop the idea of waiting for the call from an AD for a Rolex and going with a couple of 2nd hand Tudors instead?

I love the old style Pelagos and could pair that with a Black bay 41 with a red or blue bezel?

I know I could buy the Rollie whenever the call comes and flip it for profit, but TBH I don't think I want the effort of waiting for the paper's and selling on.

What model are you waiting on?

Think it was just a sub? It’s seems like there is a lot of hysteria around the new subs and they are, at least being advertised (who knows if they are actually selling) at x 2 RRP on second market.

While this is the case then the AD is not going to call you. As close to zero chance. They have a que of other people that are spending more and will skip you every time.

When/if your names comes to the top of the list that means the hysteria as dosed down and they are below RRP on second market or at least very close to it.

I advise to buy what you like, and if that is Tudor second hand then you won’t take a bath at least if you move it on.

banie01 · 25-10-2020 4:23pm

Fitz II wrote: »

The BB41 is a thick watch, not many seem to keep them. Pelagos seems popular. There is a BB58 black on TZ at the moment for 2760 gbp which is retail on a watch that sells over retail, its basically new. I am impressed with tudor....but one is enough.

Thanks Fitz, chunky alright from the ones I've seen but they do seem to wear nicely.
Height would still be a bit less than my U2, so wouldn't bother me and they do taper nicely to the lug.

893bet wrote: »

What model are you waiting on?

Think it was just a sub? It’s seems like there is a lot of hysteria around the new subs and they are, at least being advertised (who knows if they are actually selling) at x 2 RRP on second market.

Yep, just a no-date sub.
Nothing spectacular and tbh, I don't know exactly "why" I want it?If that makes any sense at all?
I don't know if I really like it, or if I just should really like it and that's what I "should" be buying.
The strange moment you can't figure out if it's peer pressure :pac:
But you kinda know it is, bit don't want to admit to yourself.

Fitz II · 25-10-2020 4:45pm

banie01 wrote: »

Thanks Fitz, chunky alright from the ones I've seen but they do seem to wear nicely.
Height would still be a bit less than my U2, so wouldn't bother me and they do taper nicely to the lug.

Well Banie the nice thing with a tudor is that you can go to your local dealer, and, get this, low and behold they will have one for you to try on. And if you like it you can buy it off them new, without a wait. And no need to perform and acts of degrading fellatio on the sales man or woman for the privilege of giving them your money either.

Rootsblower · 25-10-2020 5:11pm

Banie I have a BB41 red on leather strap, lovely watch if maybe a smidgen too thick.

I don’t get the hype on the BB58, it’s a nice watch and all but can’t for the life of me understand the hype especially the blue one.

If you’ve your heart set on a sub that’s what you should buy if you can get one.
If you can’t get it from an AD new there’s plenty out there if you go grey.

I have to ask is buying a couple of Tudors just scratching an itch that won’t go away unless you get the submariner(cos I’ve done that and regretted it)

Cyclingtourist · 25-10-2020 6:32pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Well Banie the nice thing with a tudor is that you can go to your local dealer, and, get this, low and behold they will have one for you to try on. And if you like it you can buy it off them new, without a wait. And no need to perform and acts of degrading fellatio on the sales man or woman for the privilege of giving them your money either.

Interesting take on dealing with female Rolex salespersons, even if the terminology is a bit dodgy.

Cyrus · 25-10-2020 7:09pm

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

Interesting take on dealing with female Rolex salespersons, even if the terminology is a bit dodgy.

Cunning linguist is our fitz

unkel · 25-10-2020 7:22pm

banie01 wrote: »

Would I be mad to drop the idea of waiting for the call from an AD for a Rolex

The call is not gonna come.

I'm on the list too, also for a nd sub. And pretty similar reasons as yourself for wanting one

Fitz II · 25-10-2020 7:49pm

banie01 wrote: »

I don't know if I really like it, or if I just should really like it and that's what I "should" be buying.
The strange moment you can't figure out if it's peer pressure :pac:
But you kinda know it is, bit don't want to admit to yourself.

When I was on my sabbatical from boards, I spent a good bit of time wondering the same thing.

Rolex watches are really nice, I have had a few and they were all super nice. What I dont like is the fact you cant buy one, and the ever increasing grey market prices are moving the average Rolex into a price bracket where it cannot compete.

Do I want a new sub or Cyrus's perpetual JLC?. Nobody gives a fcuk about my watches anyway and I can count on one hand the number of times anyone has commented on a watch I was wearing so from now on I will get the watches I want (not a sh1tter licence). I get the impression the entire industry is getting off the Rolex train. Youtubers are reviewing less and less rolex (cause nothing is new and nothing is available) and retailers are pushing watches they can actually sell.

Cienciano · 25-10-2020 8:34pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Nobody gives a fcuk about my watches anyway and I can count on one hand the number of times anyone has commented on a watch I was wearing so from now on I will get the watches I want

It's crazy that you wouldn't do this in the first place. Who gives a shít what someone else thinks?

Fitz II · 25-10-2020 9:07pm

Cienciano wrote: »

It's crazy that you wouldn't do this in the first place. Who gives a shít what someone else thinks?

We all care what other people think to some extent, to say otherwise would be a lie, but buying a expensive watch is a combination of factors and to deny or exaggerate any one factor leads to bad decisions. Lots of collectors always want watches that nobody else likes or wants, they are wacky you understand, mavericks, not sheeple. They generally have tragic collections of crap.
.
I am still heavily invested in Rolex but I doubt I will buy any more, i have the ones i want. I think if our little fantasy watch competition shows anything its that people have lost interest in rolex. I have anyway.

redlead · 25-10-2020 9:18pm

Would the waiting list for a yachtmaster 40 be as crazy as the normal steel ones or is it something you could actually get without having to buy a Calatrava?

Its kind of academic for me in that even though I can afford it easily enough, I find it hard to justify spending so much on a watch that I know is a better asset probably than the cash. I just have a mental block, lack of confidence in going for it I guess. I know my caution doesn't really make sense when it's a rolex.

Wibbs · 25-10-2020 9:18pm

Cienciano wrote: »

Who gives a shít what someone else thinks?

In reality CC vanishingly few work that way. We're a social animal and social animals thrive on all sorts of validation and that's not a negative that it's often seen to be - by hippies up in Tibet humming OOOOOOOMMMMM

- for the most part.

On the watch front I don't particularly care what people might think, however that's because I got into them at a time when nobody gave them much if any attention anyway, they were mostly cheap as chips and it was my little weirdo nerdy hobby(among many), so am coming from a very different angle. I would bet if I got into them in the mid noughties as it went more mainstream as a thing I would likely have a very different take on things. For a start I'd be influenced by social media and the web in general.

Plus I am actually weird as far as social competition(for the real want of a better term) goes. Never got into that even when I was in my teens. I always thought it a zero sum game. As Fitz notes nobody gives a flying about someone's watch anyway. Normal people aren't like that for the most part and do quite naturally care how they're perceived. This is a good thing IMHO.

Fitz II · 25-10-2020 9:30pm

redlead wrote: »

Would the waiting list for a yachtmaster 40 be as crazy as the normal steel ones or is it something you could actually get without having to buy a Calatrava?

Its kind of academic for me in that even though I can afford it easily enough, I find it hard to justify spending so much on a watch that I know is a better asset probably than the cash. I just have a mental block, lack of confidence in going for it I guess. I know my caution doesn't really make sense when it's a rolex.

The wait on a stainless YM is long enough, epically with the blue dial. Say a two tone in weirs the other day, I would suggest that Two tone will make a resurgence as its all people can get their hands on. Plenty of grey market and second hand ones out there for nearly reasonable money close to retail.

Wibbs · 25-10-2020 9:41pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Lots of collectors always want watches that nobody else likes or wants, they are wacky you understand, mavericks, not sheeple. They generally have tragic collections of crap.

Or they quite simply have different tastes and different reasons for collecting F. And that's cool too.

I knew a guy into cheap plastic 80's Swatch watches, particularly the extremely rare ones. He had a Picasso dial one, original packaging and all that, which at the time was worth over 10k. His collection was insured for four times that. Not my bag at all, but it gave him pleasure. Another guy I knew from the early interwebs initially was into early and unusual digitals. I suppose because when he was a kid they were a big thing that he couldn't afford at the time. Like many collectors of anything. And he had some scarily rare ones, all functional too. A red LED calculator example that was the size of a small house

really stood out. Funny enough that tiny niche in the hobby never went mad money, but values have remained constantly rising bit by bit for over 20 years. Sometimes niche areas go mental too. Military watches were "What? Really?" for the most part until about the mid noughties when they were cool hunted for wider audiences.

And on the actual horology front it's the niche more oddball collectors that often inform the discipline with new data on the history of brands, models and changing tech. Look at the chap from Pride and Pinion channel. He's an expert on current stuff(I presume? My knowledge is scant to say the least), but his knowledge of the actual history of horology appears to be minimal going on some of the stuff he says, yet his offerings are not considered tragic collections of crap. Different strokes an' that.

Thirdfox · 25-10-2020 10:46pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Rolex watches are really nice, I have had a few and they were all super nice. What I dont like is the fact you cant buy one, and the ever increasing grey market prices are moving the average Rolex into a price bracket where it cannot compete.

Do I want a new sub or Cyrus's perpetual JLC?. Nobody gives a fcuk about my watches anyway and I can count on one hand the number of times anyone has commented on a watch I was wearing so from now on I will get the watches I want (not a sh1tter licence). I get the impression the entire industry is getting off the Rolex train. Youtubers are reviewing less and less rolex (cause nothing is new and nothing is available) and retailers are pushing watches they can actually sell.

If Rolex are coming up against VC Overseas or say a Breguet XX chrono (or the Overseas Chrono) I certainly know which one I'd prefer

But hey that's the free market and people are free to buy whatever they want - if Rolex ends up with too high a price people will switch to alternatives until the price comes back down (unless it's a tulip bubble in which it will burst at some point).

Fitz II · 25-10-2020 10:48pm

I think anyone that collects with focus, patience and direction is doing well, whatever it is they collect. With watches the phrase "buy what you like" is usually used by dealers and shills to clear the window of undesirable dogs. I have gone through the phase of "buying what I like" which when your an immature collector is a dangerous idea. I ended up with full boxes full of crap.

Buy what you like is fine but only once you have learned and experienced whats to like. The urban gentry types of this world would have you buy what you can afford and what is easy to get. Maybe that is why people seek refuge in Rolex, everyone likes it, its easy to sell, always desirable and takes no risks.

blue5000 · 26-10-2020 3:03pm

Fitz II wrote: »

I think anyone that collects with focus, patience and direction is doing well, whatever it is they collect. With watches the phrase "buy what you like" is usually used by dealers and shills to clear the window of undesirable dogs. I have gone through the phase of "buying what I like" which when your an immature collector is a dangerous idea. I ended up with full boxes full of crap.

Buy what you like is fine but only once you have learned and experienced whats to like. The urban gentry types of this world would have you buy what you can afford and what is easy to get. Maybe that is why people seek refuge in Rolex, everyone likes it, its easy to sell, always desirable and takes no risks.

Any advice for this guy who collects chainsaws?

https://scontent-dub4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/119031352_1794409817377635_337523651277743958_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=hhOqn9TF0uMAX9n_vdg&_nc_ht=scontent-dub4-1.xx&oh=1684e0a68588504a3db2fa5a1308b54d&oe=5FBC780C

banie01 · 26-10-2020 3:06pm

blue5000 wrote: »

Any advice for this guy who collects chainsaws?

https://scontent-dub4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/119031352_1794409817377635_337523651277743958_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=hhOqn9TF0uMAX9n_vdg&_nc_ht=scontent-dub4-1.xx&oh=1684e0a68588504a3db2fa5a1308b54d&oe=5FBC780C

That is an incredibly tidy and impressive shed!
All that's missing is a leatherface mannequin!

Wibbs · 26-10-2020 3:08pm

Don't try to burgle his house?

Eoin · 26-10-2020 3:32pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Or they quite simply have different tastes and different reasons for collecting F. And that's cool too.

Absolutely - bit weird to say otherwise. You might take a hit on resale, but that might not really matter to some.

Didn't we have a forum regular a few years ago who was into left field stuff - think he had pieces like a Devon Tread. May not be mainstream, but still cool IMO.

Wibbs wrote:

We're a social animal and social animals thrive on all sorts of validation and that's not a negative that it's often seen to be

This is true, but I think for the most part, the watch crowd is quite different in Ireland. You'll likely get far more comments about a quartz Tag F1 than some of the far more high end pieces here that'd get recognised in an instant elsewhere. And I like that - I buy my watches for me, even if they are sometimes well known brands/pieces outside of Ireland.

Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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