Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

oxocube wrote: »

My eye is drawn to this one and I know why.

Very cool watch!

oxocube wrote: »

I like it but I'll hold out for the real one I want :cool:

Reminds me of the YM. That's the one you want? The YM rhodium? :cool:

Eoin wrote: »

Anyone here owned a Sinn 104? I am very tempted, but I've read it wears on the smaller side which wouldn't suit me too well.

I'll let you know on Monday-ish - have one in the post. Took a gamble on one in "Fair" condition which actually looks a solid 8/10 to my eyes from the extensive macro shots the seller sent me. Just hairlines and desk dive, no dings. Hoping he's just brutally honest and self deprecating. :pac:

This is the one I am very tempted by:



Or possibly this - I can't find a ton else with a similar style (I really want a white face)

Even though i have a soft spot for damasko the sinn is a much nicer looking watch eoin,

what about the white dialled bremont solo on tz-uk atm, handsome watch also.

The Sinn is the absolute winner for me.

oxocube wrote: »

My eye is drawn to this one and I know why.

I like it but I'll hold out for the real one I want :cool:

I can't decide if I love it or hate it

I need to read this a few more times, but I am not totally sure what problem blockchain is solving here (or in 90% of cases it's mentioned in general)

banie01 wrote: »

It's not really solving anything that a database wouldn't.
It's using a Blockchain to marry the serial number of the watch to its service and warranty records and keep it traceable.

Ideally would be an anti-fake measure if the record is public Blockchain.
That said Nike tried a database for verifying some of their stuff recently and that ended up being faked too :pac:

With Breitling in particular imo given they use mainly ETA movements rather than in-house, I'd always be wary of them 2nd hand without decent provenance.
Could make the secondary market a lot more secure.

brilliant, so now you need, box, papers and usb key

banie01 wrote: »

It's not really solving anything that a database wouldn't.

With the big added value that that database is public (open for anyone to view) and immutable. Service history would be recorded (by Breitling only) and so would change of ownership.

Imagine, just sync the blockchain on any PC / laptop and you will be able to find out if that Breitling you are about to buy has ever been stolen, is it currently stolen or with the legit owner, when was it serviced and where, etc.

Rolex need to do this ASAP. The likes of Paul Thorpe have been banging on about Rolex needing to restore the stolen watch register, but this would be a considerable step up. But in the ultra conservative world of luxury watches, this will probably take a while

Kinda suprised at this move from Breitling (and VC)

Eoin wrote: »

Do public blockchains not use enormous amounts of energy?

No. Not all blockhains = BTC (which uses the overwhelming majority of all energy of all blockchains)

The latter is based on POW (proof of work) which indeed uses enormous amounts of energy in mining the blocks that make the network work (as an aside, even on BTC most energy for mining is from renewables), but there is no reason at all why a blockchain would need to be. Can be POS (proof of stake), which does not use any significant energy, there is no mining

Eoin wrote: »

the (questionable) point of them is so you don't need to trust a specific organisation, which in this case seems like a weird scenario. Unless it's actually a private blockchain, in which case it's just a case of using hot buzzwords to say they're storing info in a computer.

That's a bit of a simplistic view, it's not just a private database stored on a computer (in Breitling's secured office), it's a publicly accessible database that is secure because it is public (and distributed). Of course in this case you still need to trust a specific organisation (Breitling) to make the entries into the system (original purchase, service records, subsequent private and dealer sales, thefts, auctions, etc.)

unkel wrote: »

That's a bit of a simplistic view, it's not just a private database stored on a computer (in Breitling's secured office), it's a publicly accessible database that is secure because it is public (and distributed). Of course in this case you still need to trust a specific organisation (Breitling) to make the entries into the system (original purchase, service records, subsequent private and dealer sales, thefts, auctions, etc.)

Having the info readily available online - great. Trusting Breitling to make all the necessary updates - makes sense. A distributed database so that I know that Breitling haven't retrospectively edited the data that I trusted them to be in charge of in the first place - meh.

Honestly, I think it's great that this info could be easily accessible, and I am probably just splitting hairs. But just having a website where you can get this info seems like a good enough solution, without needing to jump on hot tech buzzwords.

I am more worried about buying a fake than a stolen watch anyway, so I am not sure how any of this would help with that.

unkel wrote: »

That's a bit dismissive if you don't mind me saying. There is added value of using a distributed incorruptible database where no data can be changed afterwards. Did I manage to avoid the hot tech buzzwords there?

I was referring to the article, not you! I think the big, big win here is having the info readily available. Talking about how it's done (and the distributed data is a largely a fringe benefit, when there's still a huge deal of trust required in one organisation for this to be of any value at all) just feels like a company trying to sound all modern.

Anyhow, I am now torn between the white and blue dial. I would like a white dial watch, but I might just mod one of my SKXs again for that.

I was eying up that blue one for ages but never got around to buying it. I don't remember why I didn't buy one at the time I was interested in it (long delivery time at the time possibly) but maybe one day I'll pick one up.

Cyrus wrote: »

Blue dialled version of my vc overseas on tz-uk sc atm , pricey at 10.5k but nice watch

Heads up as I know a few like them

Strong price with no bracelet. Did not realise that that version was limited to 350 pieces.

893bet wrote: »

Is yours 42mm? Thought it was 40?

Yes 42mm

The deep stream and blue dialled were run out models
I think .