Woman shot & killed in Derry being treated as a terrorist incident MOD WARNING IN OP

19-04-2019 10:07am

Thepoet85 wrote: »

Have you spent any time in Derry, or are you basing your belief on what you're hearing from people who live an hour and a half away?

I'm not saying you are right or wrong by the way, but in my opinion, the same can be said of the people of Derry. The vast majority live in harmony, but there will always be a few who long for the troubles of the past, and on both sides.

I’d agree. I love Derry and I’ve happily gone there hundreds of times without a care in the world. My daughter went to Magee and lived on the fringes of Creggan and her neighbors were regular families who would say hello, talk about the weather and get on with their lives in peace.

J Cheever Loophole · 19-04-2019 10:09am

Apologies for taking the discussion slightly off track, but I cannot help but make comment on some of the sweeping generalizations made on the pages of this discussion about the North, on the basis of this one incident. For people here to link this one outrage to the stereotypical view of the North shows the intellect of some of those typing. One even made reference to the standard of driving up here!

Good grief! Is that really the standard of what passes for debate on the pages of this forum nowadays?

19-04-2019 10:12am

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

Apologies for taking the discussion slightly off track, but I cannot help but make comment on some of the sweeping generalizations made on the pages of this discussion about the North, on the basis of this one incident. For people here to link this one outrage to the stereotypical view of the North shows the intellect of some of those typing. One even made reference to the standard of driving up here!

Good grief! Is that really the standard of what passes for debate on the pages of this forum nowadays?

Ah sure NI is grand and has no issues. Next.

Gimme A Pound · 19-04-2019 10:24am

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah sure NI is grand and has no issues. Next.

Where did they say that?

Agreed J Cheever - "Northern Ireland is a sh1thole" is just puerile.

But more importantly, the poor woman and her loved ones. Haven't a clue what community she is from or that of the scumbag who killed her - just shocked and saddened and disgusted, and very worried now about a return to the dark days. :-/

19-04-2019 10:24am

Derry 1916 Easter commemoration on Monday has been cancelled but they couldn’t help but say in their statement that this was an accidental killing.

Disgusted by that part.

19-04-2019 10:30am

I’d go Kelly

Odyssey 2005 · 19-04-2019 10:31am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Derry 1916 Easter commemoration on Monday has been cancelled but they couldn’t help but say in their statement that this was an accidental killing.

Disgusted by that part.

What part of shooting indiscriminately into a crowd in the dark,is accidental ?

tayto lover · 19-04-2019 10:35am

This has been brewing for some time and in other areas too.
There is a void with the closing of Stormount and the inactivity of the politicians on both sides. The DUP and SF are offering nothing to the young polarized communities. In fact they gain by it. Having barstool flag-wavers most of whom are poorly educated and who are easily led is how they get their votes. They keep them in power.

19-04-2019 10:37am

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

What part of shooting indiscriminately into a crowd in the dark,is accidental ?

Or what part of carrying a gun is accidental?

citytillidie · 19-04-2019 10:38am

kellygop wrote: »

Not being smart or whatever, but I have tickets for the LOI game in Derry tonight, would it be safe to go?

I dunno can the Rovers fans behave themselves :PAC:

No you will be fine just remember pins don't open here until 5

Mollyb60 · 19-04-2019 10:39am

tayto lover wrote: »

This has been brewing for some time and in other areas too.
There is a void with the closing of Stormount and the inactivity of the politicians on both sides. The DUP and SF are offering nothing to the young polarized communities. In fact they gain by it. Having barstool flag-wavers most of whom are poorly educated and who are easily led is how they get their votes. They keep them in power.

Well the council elections at the start of May will show if the failure of Stormont has changed some ingrained loyalties. It'll be the first big chance for the public to show the politicians what they think of them.

(I'm not being naive here. I expect nothing to change at all.)

citytillidie · 19-04-2019 10:43am

Statement from the group, it is unbelievable bs

https://www.derrynow.com/news/republican-group-saoradh-say-republican-volunteer-defending-people-murder-journalist-derry/275585

Francie Barrett · 19-04-2019 10:48am

Berserker wrote: »

Spent a lot of time in Belfast for work a few years back and the people there were incredible, far nicer than Dublin. I stayed in and frequented the east of the city most of the time, so my primary interactions were with the Unionist people but one of my closest work colleagues was a Nationalist. Both sides just got on with their lives. Derry/Londonderry and the border counties appear to be a different beast. These areas appear to have an unhealthily large section of their communities, who want to engage in terrorism; a very convenient mask for criminality in my opinion. None of the people I knew in Belfast, from either side, had a positive view of Derry/Londonderry and the border counties.

I'd move to Belfast in the morning, it's a city in which I'd quite happily raise my children. Think that says an awful lot about Belfast as a city.

This comment is absolutely outrageous. If you've spent any time in Derry, you would know that they're no better or worse than those in Belfast, Dublin, London, or any other city on these islands.

DrPhilG · 19-04-2019 10:51am

citytillidie wrote: »

Statement from the group, it is unbelievable bs

https://www.derrynow.com/news/republican-group-saoradh-say-republican-volunteer-defending-people-murder-journalist-derry/275585

Absolutely disgusting.

lawred2 · 19-04-2019 10:56am

citytillidie wrote: »

Statement from the group, it is unbelievable bs

https://www.derrynow.com/news/republican-group-saoradh-say-republican-volunteer-defending-people-murder-journalist-derry/275585

pathetic weasel words

citytillidie · 19-04-2019 10:59am

Saying the cops found nothing in the search when someone pulls out an illegal firearm and kills some one seems to have gone over their fecking heads. Brain dead people

Odyssey 2005 · 19-04-2019 10:59am

citytillidie wrote: »

Statement from the group, it is unbelievable bs

https://www.derrynow.com/news/republican-group-saoradh-say-republican-volunteer-defending-people-murder-journalist-derry/275585

There are no words to describe this statement,and the smug grin on their leader in the Dail the other day ,listening to Nancy Pelosi.!
Turns my stomach.

lawred2 · 19-04-2019 11:03am

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

There are no words to describe this statement,and the smug grin on their leader in the Dail the other day ,listening to Nancy Pelosi.!
Turns my stomach.

The leader of Saoradh was in the Dail? Find that hard to believe. Do you have a link?

J Cheever Loophole · 19-04-2019 11:05am

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah sure NI is grand and has no issues. Next.

I'm afraid this is the standard of the debate I was referring to.

Yes, there are issues of concern but they are far outweighed by the many positives, in terms of both the people and the place itself.

Do you reckon you yourself would be capable of recognizing that, or is everything simply black and white in your world?

19-04-2019 11:07am

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

I'm afraid this is the standard of the debate I was referring to.

Yes, there are issues of concern but they are far outweighed by the many positives, in terms of both the people and the place itself.

Do you reckon you yourself would be capable of recognizing that, or is everything simply black and white in your world?

NI is worse than the South, how's that?

J Cheever Loophole · 19-04-2019 11:11am

Deleted User wrote: »

NI is worse than the South, how's that?

I'm at a loss to understand what you are talking about!

Edgware · 19-04-2019 11:16am

kellygop wrote: »

Not being smart or whatever, but I have tickets for the LOI game in Derry tonight, would it be safe to go?

Once you get past Finglas on the way up you will be fine

citytillidie · 19-04-2019 11:19am

kellygop wrote: »

Disgraceful that Theresa Gay has chosen to condemn the murder and in the same sentence incorrectly referencing the city where it took place. If you look at Lyra's work, you will see that she always referred to the city as Derry, so fakeunionistionlycareaboutnibecausetheduparekeepingmeinpower May should be respectful or take a leaf out of Boyzone's book...

"You say it best..."

Give fecking over somethings are just more important than if you called the place Derry/Londonderry

jmayo · 19-04-2019 11:22am

McCrack wrote: »

"Ireland unfree shall never be at peace"

Even if we had the much desired by one side, United Ireland, there is the other side who despise such an outcome.
To me looking in from the South there are some on either side that are best described as "Two cheeks of the same arse".

The very worrying thing is the amount of young ones that actually have no experience of The Troubles and thus have no concept of what a return to the violence would be like.

BTW this is very reason history should always be mandatory subject up to a point in secondary school.

Deleted User wrote: »

NI is worse than the South, how's that?

Maybe the complete tribalism.

Lady Spangles · 19-04-2019 11:22am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

If paramilitaries were involved then they must have expected the victim to have been involved in the sale or distribution of drugs.

She was a journalist, actually. I suppose journalism and anyone who might speak against them is a much greater threat than any drug.

Tell me how · 19-04-2019 11:29am

Lady Spangles wrote: »

She was a journalist, actually. I suppose journalism and anyone who might speak against them is a much greater threat than any drug.

She wasn't targeted. She was a bystander. There to observe and report.

Reading some of her pieces this morning enforces how tragic it was that someone who was so acutely aware of the damage the violence in the north had done (before and after the GFA) should die in this way.

Sheeps · 19-04-2019 11:33am

kellygop wrote: »

Disgraceful that Theresa Gay has chosen to condemn the murder and in the same sentence incorrectly referencing the city where it took place. If you look at Lyra's work, you will see that she always referred to the city as Derry, so fakeunionistionlycareaboutnibecausetheduparekeepingmeinpower May should be respectful or take a leaf out of Boyzone's book...

"You say it best..."

She called it Legenderry actually, because she was tired of the same old shite you are droning on about.

Tell me how · 19-04-2019 11:37am

kellygop wrote: »

Disgraceful that Theresa Gay has chosen to condemn the murder and in the same sentence incorrectly referencing the city where it took place. If you look at Lyra's work, you will see that she always referred to the city as Derry, so fakeunionistionlycareaboutnibecausetheduparekeepingmeinpower May should be respectful or take a leaf out of Boyzone's book...

"You say it best..."

Honestly, the changing of Theresa's surname to something which you obviously think is derisory says everything about you.

Particularly on a thread about a young lady who happened to be gay being tragically killed.

riffmongous · 19-04-2019 11:37am

Sad stuff to wake up to. I hope at least anyone else planning violence in the coming months now will see the awful consequences there are and desist. And that those letting the north slide backwards wake up and get their act together

Berserker · 19-04-2019 11:56am

Nehemiah Rich Sewer wrote: »

Haven't a clue what community she is from or that of the scumbag who killed her - just shocked and saddened and disgusted, and very worried now about a return to the dark days. :-/

The scumbag who killed her was a republican.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

This comment is absolutely outrageous. If you've spent any time in Derry, you would know that they're no better or worse than those in Belfast, Dublin, London, or any other city on these islands.

I base my comments on the feedback and opinions of people from both sides of the community in Northern Ireland; people I trust and respect. I know they are right, as do you.

Deleted User wrote: »

NI is worse than the South, how's that?

Everywhere is worse than the south. The south is the gold standard for everything from economic prosperity to moral guidance. They invented LGBT acceptance; fyi! As I said before, I'd chose Belfast over Dublin as a place to raise my children.

Pissartist · 19-04-2019 12:09pm

Awful news this, I really hope the perpetrators are caught and severely punished.There is no cause anymore, these killers are not like our heroes of 16 who had no choice, they are just scum who cannot be allowed ruin how far we've come as a nation.Rip

Lisha · 19-04-2019 12:16pm

http://www.thepensivequill.com/2014/08/letter-to-my-14-year-old-self.html?m=0

I’m not sure If the link works. It’s a letter Lyra wrote to 14year old self .
Gorgeous piece of writing.

May she Rest In Peace and I truly hope the troubles don’t erupt again. It’s just so sad and pointless. A devastating loss of life, no good comes of it. It’s so scary to think the nightmare past could return.

Gimme A Pound · 19-04-2019 12:23pm

Berserker wrote: »

The scumbag who killed her was a republican.

I base my comments on the feedback and opinions of people from both sides of the community in Northern Ireland; people I trust and respect. I know they are right, as do you.

Everywhere is worse than the south. The south is the gold standard for everything from economic prosperity to moral guidance. They invented LGBT acceptance; fyi! As I said before, I'd chose Belfast over Dublin as a place to raise my children.

Is this really the place for schoolyard "my place is better than yours naana n'naana" bollox? :rolleyes:

lawred2 · 19-04-2019 12:24pm

lawred2 wrote: »

The leader of Saoradh was in the Dail? Find that hard to believe. Do you have a link?

?

tayto lover · 19-04-2019 12:36pm

citytillidie wrote: »

Give fecking over somethings are just more important than if you called the place Derry/Londonderry

Particularly when Lyra often referred to it as “Legenderry”.

Edit.
Sorry, didn’t see your post Sheep’s.

BailMeOut · 19-04-2019 12:37pm

Are these riots in Derry a normal and regular occurrence?
Who are rioting?
What are they rioting about?

Excuse my ignorance but I thought we were done with all this stupidity.

Sardonicat · 19-04-2019 12:45pm

BailMeOut wrote: »

Are these riots in Derry a normal and regular occurrence?
Who are rioting?
What are they rioting about?

Excuse my ignorance but I thought we were done with all this stupidity.

The PSNI were carrying out raids in the area which set off the rioters.

Tacitus Kilgore · 19-04-2019 12:47pm

BailMeOut wrote: »

Are these riots in Derry a normal and regular occurrence?
Who are rioting?
What are they rioting about?

Excuse my ignorance but I thought we were done with all this stupidity.

Semi-regular i guess,
Young "republicans"

There was a PSNI search carried out on a Saoradh members house ahead of their annual easter parade (it's a hate parade, the type that would be manned by armed masked men) Saoradh did not think these raids were warranted as they would not have guns for the police to find... in order to express their distaste at this - they brought out their guns.

And they decided to shoot indiscriminately up a road towards some police vehicles, where they shot and murdered an innocent journalist.

There is no place for these horrible backward bastards in society, and if they think this is how they will achieve a united ireland they have another fucking thing coming. and this is coming from someone with strong nationalistic tendencies.

RIP Lyra McKee

spurious · 19-04-2019 12:52pm

Putting a face to the name. Witty woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ymU-5Y3rkY

Anteayer · 19-04-2019 12:56pm

For all their lofty words both the two largest political parties in NI cannot get their act together and get that damn assembly running and the DUP and Tories have been seriously discussing carving up the Good Friday Agreement and wallowing in deeply toxic identity politics, jingoism and hatred.

Having Stormont in suspension since the dawn of Brexit is absolutely irresponsible, dangerous and craven politics. They should be hanging their heads in shame today and reflecting on their own political shortsightedness.

This is a stark reminder of how NI is not a normal place and what a political vacuum can reawaken.

Read some of Lyra McKee's work. She was a very intelligent person, a deep thinker and a real journalist.

It's such a waste of life.

RIP Lyra and my sincere condolences to her family, friends and all those who loved and knew her.

Hoboo · 19-04-2019 12:59pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Semi-regular i guess,
Young "republicans"

There was a PSNI search carried out on a Saoradh members house ahead of their annual easter parade (it's a hate parade, the type that would be manned by armed masked men) Saoradh did not think these raids were warranted as they would not have guns for the police to find... in order to express their distaste at this - they brought out their guns.

And they decided to shoot indiscriminately up a road towards some police vehicles, where they shot and murdered an innocent journalist.

There is no place for these horrible backward bastards in society, and if they think this is how they will achieve a united ireland they have another fucking thing coming. and this is coming from someone with strong nationalistic tendencies.

RIP Lyra McKee

Hate parade? Nothing but love at any Easter parade I've been at. Maybe you should come and see.

padd b1975 · 19-04-2019 1:05pm

lawred2 wrote: »

pathetic weasel words

Copied and pasted from forty years ago.

boardise · 19-04-2019 1:08pm

'Saoradh ' ? ... Is this the Gaelic for 'Sarah' ?

Berserker · 19-04-2019 1:11pm

BailMeOut wrote: »

Are these riots in Derry a normal and regular occurrence?
Who are rioting?
What are they rioting about?

Excuse my ignorance but I thought we were done with all this stupidity.

No, the police are raiding the homes of these people, who are up to no good and these lads do not believe that they should be subject to the law of the land, just like the rest of the "good republicans" out there. Problems ensue in the locality as a result of the raids.

Hoboo wrote: »

Hate parade? Nothing but love at any Easter parade I've been at. Maybe you should come and see.

Yeah, nothing but love at republican parades and celebrations in that part of NI.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2018/0816/985542-ulster-bonfire/

zapitastas · 19-04-2019 1:11pm

boardise wrote: »

'Saoradh ' ? ... Is this the Gaelic for 'Sarah' ?

No that would be Sorcha

Junkyard Tom · 19-04-2019 1:20pm

Anteayer wrote: »

For all their lofty words both the two largest political parties in NI cannot get their act together and get that damn assembly running

This is one of the biggest issues as displayed above - 'both sides are as bad as each other'. They're not.

We should be condemning those who never wanted the GFA, are trying to undermine it, and are trying to keep the north in Seventeenth Century.

Who might that be? The DUP. Let's call a spade a spade here.

BarryD2 · 19-04-2019 1:20pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

The PSNI were carrying out raids in the area which set off the rioters.

These people either believe in the peace agreement that the vast majority of us voted for and the law of the land or they don't. If they do, they've no business rioting. If they don't, they've no place on this island.

Frank Castle · 19-04-2019 1:21pm

Berserker wrote: »

Yeah, nothing but love at republican parades and celebration in that part of NI.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2018/0816/985542-ulster-bonfire/

In fairness, they did state easter parade, and that has nothing to do with the easter parade.

But both sides still do this horrible ****, too much finger pointing and not enough owning up to our own bad contributions.

Frank Castle · 19-04-2019 1:22pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

These people either believe in the peace agreement that the vast majority of us voted for and the law of the land or they don't. If they do, they've no business rioting. If they don't, they've no place on this island.

The rioters were nothing more than a bunch of kids. Kids will be kids, and worse when egged on in a certain direction. Its the people directing these children that are the problem

BarryD2 · 19-04-2019 1:23pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

This is one of the biggest issues as displayed above - 'both sides are as bad as each other'. They're not.

Remind me again - but who walked away from the NI Assembly? I've no love at all for the DUP but one is as bad as the other. At least that's the way most citizens of this Republic would view it, as far as I hear & see.

Woman shot & killed in Derry being treated as a terrorist incident MOD WARNING IN OP

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