General Star Trek thread

TheValeyard · 28-12-2020 10:10pm

flazio wrote: »

For anyone who decided not to bootleg Lower Decks, it arrives on Amazon Prime Uk/Ireland on January 22. All 10 episodes in one drop.
https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a35013140/star-trek-lower-decks-uk-amazon-prime-video/

To be fair that would not be in keeping with the recurring bootlegging gag in the show.

lapua20grain · 28-12-2020 10:14pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

To be fair that would not be in keeping with the recurring bootlegging gag in the show.

Is it worth the watch, I've been so disappointed with discovery its turned me off trek & I've watched it since TOS

pixelburp · 28-12-2020 10:21pm

lapua20grain wrote: »

Is it worth the watch, I've been so disappointed with discovery its turned me off trek & I've watched it since TOS

Yes. But! It starts rough and Mariner, the lead, is quite grating at first. There is however a good reason for her way and in the end she becomes a highly sympathetic, likeable character. So a fair shake would be a good 4, 5 episodes.

lapua20grain · 28-12-2020 10:31pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Yes. But! It starts rough and Mariner, the lead, is quite grating at first. There is however a good reason for her way and in the end she becomes a highly sympathetic, likeable character. So a fair shake would be a good 4, 5 episodes.

Cheers will have a look when it drops on prime

TheValeyard · 28-12-2020 10:35pm

lapua20grain wrote: »

Is it worth the watch, I've been so disappointed with discovery its turned me off trek & I've watched it since TOS

Despite the humour, it's the closest to real Trek in over a decade.

ilovesmybrick · 28-12-2020 10:37pm

lapua20grain wrote: »

Is it worth the watch, I've been so disappointed with discovery its turned me off trek & I've watched it since TOS

Definitely, DISCO is unbelievably weak. Lower decks is surprisingly fun. Now, I went in with no expectations, but I was so happy with what they did, a good trek series, with the ability to piss take Trek in an appreciative manner.

AllForIt · 28-12-2020 10:46pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

That would be a no then

No. Sapphire and Steel is just pure excellence. Happen to be re-watching it this week. Season 2 is a masterpiece imo.

Rawr · 06-01-2021 3:35pm

breezy1985 · 06-01-2021 4:18pm

Completely forgot Kelvin Khan was only doing what he did because his crew were threatened with death.

Into Darkness must be the worst Trek Movie made. Even worse than Nemesis and Final Frontier

ilovesmybrick · 06-01-2021 4:55pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Completely forgot Kelvin Khan was only doing what he did because his crew were threatened with death.

Into Darkness must be the worst Trek Movie made. Even worse than Nemesis and Final Frontier

Yeah, I think they thought that bastardising one of the best Trek films plots and adding fancy graphics would make it a great success.While I love a great Trek spectacle (like Sacrifice of Angels), they forgot that it's the story that drives the love, not the big event. I'm not saying that the effects from WoK have aged particularly badly, but they are a product of 30 years ago, which I still don't notice because there's a great story behind it. And in fairness, there's a sparcity of action in WoK, especially compared to Into Darkness. There's essentially a bit of a submarine combat scene and the rest is the powerplay between the main antagonists.

Now, I have to say Star Trek Beyond did seem to get that. There were a few cringey moments (f**king Bestie Boys!) but it was thoroughly enjoyable as a film in it's own right, rather than the pandering mess that was Into Darkness. Though I hope the Kelvin universe stays permanently shelved. The only thing that would lead me to welcome it back is if they trived a Burnham universe....

06-01-2021 5:14pm

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

Yeah, I think they thought that bastardising one of the best Trek films plots and adding fancy graphics would make it a great success.While I love a great Trek spectacle (like Sacrifice of Angels), they forgot that it's the story that drives the love, not the big event. I'm not saying that the effects from WoK have aged particularly badly, but they are a product of 30 years ago, which I still don't notice because there's a great story behind it. And in fairness, there's a sparcity of action in WoK, especially compared to Into Darkness. There's essentially a bit of a submarine combat scene and the rest is the powerplay between the main antagonists.

Now, I have to say Star Trek Beyond did seem to get that. There were a few cringey moments (f**king Bestie Boys!) but it was thoroughly enjoyable as a film in it's own right, rather than the pandering mess that was Into Darkness. Though I hope the Kelvin universe stays permanently shelved. The only thing that would lead me to welcome it back is if they trived a Burnham universe....

Sorry to to this to everyone but...
product of FORTY years ago

Evade · 06-01-2021 5:18pm

If they absolutely needed to have an Augment as the antagonist they could have used one of the others and have them trying to revive Khan.

ilovesmybrick · 06-01-2021 5:20pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry to to this to everyone but...
product of FORTY years ago

Excuse me, but it will remain 30 years ago until I decide so! I'm only getting out of the idea it wasn't 20 years ago....

breezy1985 · 06-01-2021 5:25pm

Evade wrote: »

If they absolutely needed to have an Augment as the antagonist they could have used one of the others and have them trying to revive Khan.

I thought too that JJ was making a point of not rehashing old Trek and then gives us Khan in his second movie.

Beyond was much better and stood on its own feet rather than relying on Khan and Section 31 or similar call backs

pixelburp · 06-01-2021 5:32pm

I don't think the problems of Into Darkness were specific to Trek, at least, they weren't particularly surprising: adding Khan was, and remains, a broader problem with Pop Culture in general in this current generation. The easiest worse-case example arguably being something like "Ready Player One", a book that ceaselessly lists pop culture like borderline religious invocations. Nostalgia is now an industry unto itself, an aggressive and monetised beast where Fan Service for its own sake is seen as a simple low bar to success. Into Darkness plugged into that arbitrary nature with Abrams & co. thinking namedropping Khan would entice fans.

Evade · 06-01-2021 5:42pm

Ready Player One is one of the worst examples alright. I get why the author of the book likes the 80's, he grew up then, but I could never get over why teenagers in 2045 are obsessed with it? It's like if Zoomer Star Trek fans were obsessed with TOS and only TOS.

pixelburp · 06-01-2021 5:53pm

Evade wrote: »

Ready Player One is one of the worst examples alright. I get why the author of the book likes the 80's, he grew up then, but I could never get over why teenagers in 2045 are obsessed with it? It's like if Zoomer Star Trek fans were obsessed with TOS and only TOS.

It's rare enough - despite how my posts may / may not appear - that I'll have unreserved hate for something. And I picked up RP1 as a 40 year old man, having been born in 1980 and generally positively disposed towards 80s pop culture. I HATED the book with a passion I didn't know I had: partly for being an absolute crime against Creative Writing anyway (it's atrociously written); but also because it treated pop culture like religious iconography, names or brands trotted out like decats of the Rosery. It was obscene.

But. I also know people who have read the book and all that utterly superficial name-dropping of (say) Japanese Spider-Man delighted them no end. Just mentioning The Thing You Remember was enough to get that endorphin hit. Shrug. Into Darkness was the exact same really. Though Abrams did himself no favours by all that "John Harrison" guff, where he kept insisting Cumberbatch wasn't playing Khan.

breezy1985 · 06-01-2021 7:25pm

Never thought of this before but I love how WOK didn't need to throw Khan at people in some surprise reveal like every movie seems to have to do now.

Just tells you straight up in the title that the movie is about Khan wrathing

silverharp · 12-01-2021 11:25pm

A bit random but lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj7OJeyhq2Q

AMKC · 14-01-2021 12:08am

I liked Ready Player One. It was a complete surprise to me do had never heard of it before that year.

~Rebel~ · 14-01-2021 12:22am

AMKC wrote: »

I liked Ready Player One. It was a complete surprise to me do had never heard of it before that year.

The movie did a decent job of cutting and changing some of the worst stuff of the book (and there was A LOT that had to be changed, not least a genuinely dislikable lead character).

Rawr · 14-01-2021 9:14am

breezy1985 wrote: »

Never thought of this before but I love how WOK didn't need to throw Khan at people in some surprise reveal like every movie seems to have to do now.

Just tells you straight up in the title that the movie is about Khan wrathing

There is kind of that to it.
The name is essentially: Star Trek II: Khan is a Bad!
Then we get a movie about *how* bad he is...and in what way. We all know what is going to happen in WOK, especially after the millionth re-watch, but it's all about the delivery and how Khan wanted to say to Kirk that:

"I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her; marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet, buried alive.

.....buried alive"

ilovesmybrick · 14-01-2021 9:42am

While WOK is up there as one of the best of the Trek movies, I've found myself going back to The Undiscovered Country far more often recently. I think it's probably one of the best of the original series films.

"Guess who's coming to dinner!"

odyssey06 · 14-01-2021 9:46am

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

While WOK is up there as one of the best of the Trek movies, I've found myself going back to The Undiscovered Country far more often recently. I think it's probably one of the best of the original series films.

Just noting that both Star Trek II and VI are directed by Nicholas Meyer... he seemed to have a feel for Trek.

And from wiki:
In February 2016 it was announced that Meyer would be returning to Star Trek by joining the writing team for CBS's new TV series Star Trek: Discovery. In November 2018, Meyer announced in an online interview that he was not invited back for Discovery's second season. He also disclosed that he could not identify his precise contributions, as television is such a collaborative medium.

Inviere · 14-01-2021 9:53am

odyssey06 wrote: »

In November 2018, Meyer announced in an online interview that he was not invited back for Discovery's second season. He also disclosed that he could not identify his precise contributions, as television is such a collaborative medium.

Is that corporate speak for "They took none of my ideas, and their own ideas were ****....so they didn't ask me back for the second season."?

ilovesmybrick · 14-01-2021 10:01am

Inviere wrote: »

Is that corporate speak for "They took none of my ideas, and their own ideas were ****....so they didn't ask me back for the second season."?

That would be my guess! Though maybe that was a small mercy, I could just see it now, Burnham breathlessly stating "You've not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Vulcan."

Wedwood · 14-01-2021 10:17am

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

Yeah, I think they thought that bastardising one of the best Trek films plots and adding fancy graphics would make it a great success.While I love a great Trek spectacle (like Sacrifice of Angels), they forgot that it's the story that drives the love, not the big event. I'm not saying that the effects from WoK have aged particularly badly, but they are a product of 30 years ago, which I still don't notice because there's a great story behind it. And in fairness, there's a sparcity of action in WoK, especially compared to Into Darkness. There's essentially a bit of a submarine combat scene and the rest is the powerplay between the main antagonists.

Now, I have to say Star Trek Beyond did seem to get that. There were a few cringey moments (f**king Bestie Boys!) but it was thoroughly enjoyable as a film in it's own right, rather than the pandering mess that was Into Darkness. Though I hope the Kelvin universe stays permanently shelved. The only thing that would lead me to welcome it back is if they trived a Burnham universe....

I seen Wrath of Khan during its original release in 1982. The ending was all the more powerful because at the time it looked like the final chapter and there was no indication of a sequel at that time.

The best I can say about Into Darkness is it shows how good Wrath of Khan really is.

PS: Was lucky enough last year to attend a screening of WOK followed by an audience with William Shatner - Star Trek Nirvana !!

ilovesmybrick · 14-01-2021 10:34am

Wedwood wrote: »

PS: Was lucky enough last year to attend a screening of WOK followed by an audience with William Shatner - Star Trek Nirvana !!

Aw man, that's awesome! I'm always keeping an eye out (well, pre-the madness times) to see if there's any cinema showings of the older Trek films. I always seem to miss them. Though I did get to see Terminator 2 in the cinema a couple of years ago and that was a blast! Pretty much the entire audience was quoting the lines beforehand and just having a ball with the cheesiness of some of it. One of my all time favourite cinema experiences. I'd love to be able to have the same experience with one of the old Trek films.

breezy1985 · 14-01-2021 11:10am

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

Aw man, that's awesome! I'm always keeping an eye out (well, pre-the madness times) to see if there's any cinema showings of the older Trek films. I always seem to miss them. Though I did get to see Terminator 2 in the cinema a couple of years ago and that was a blast! Pretty much the entire audience was quoting the lines beforehand and just having a ball with the cheesiness of some of it. One of my all time favourite cinema experiences. I'd love to be able to have the same experience with one of the old Trek films.

Used go to a cinema in central London called Prince Charles that made it's living of this kind of thing. Arnie was a favorite of theirs but sadly never heard of them doing Trek

pixelburp · 14-01-2021 12:00pm

~Rebel~ wrote: »

The movie did a decent job of cutting and changing some of the worst stuff of the book (and there was A LOT that had to be changed, not least a genuinely dislikable lead character).

That's true and fair; Spielberg was a fairly inspired choice for the adaptation (even if his latterday blockbusters haven't been great), and he cut the story down to the bone. Even managed to add a sneaky "hey, maybe try living life outside of the internet once in a while" message at the end which was definitely not something in the book. Don't remember any Trek iconography in the film mind you, which is probably just as well

Inviere · 14-01-2021 1:35pm

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

That would be my guess! Though maybe that was a small mercy, I could just see it now, Burnham breathlessly stating "You've not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Vulcan."

To Kolinahr, or not to Kolinahr...that...is the logical question....

Stark · 14-01-2021 3:51pm

Improvements made to Data's appearance in Picard using "deepfake" technology. Looks much better in parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqyDAoIq7po

Rawr · 14-01-2021 6:44pm

Wedwood wrote: »

I seen Wrath of Khan during its original release in 1982. The ending was all the more powerful because at the time it looked like the final chapter and there was no indication of a sequel at that time.

I was merely a newborn nipper at the time, but I can only imagine watching WOK, seeing Spock die and for it to seem final (as it was intended at the time). It's a powerful enough moment in Trek in it's own right, but watching it without the foreknowledge of Search for Spock...I can only imagine.

breezy1985 · 14-01-2021 6:52pm

Rawr wrote: »

I was merely a newborn nipper at the time, but I can only imagine watching WOK, seeing Spock die and for it to seem final (as it was intended at the time). It's a powerful enough moment in Trek in it's own right, but watching it without the foreknowledge of Search for Spock...I can only imagine.

And also very different to someone watching for the first time today now that we know everything Spock was and who he was is thanks to Burnham

Stark · 14-01-2021 7:08pm

The one thing that stood out for me seeing WOK as a young child was that scene with Khan/Chekhov and the brain eel things. Terrifying stuff.

AMKC · 14-01-2021 9:25pm

Only another year before the 40th Anniversery of the release of TWOK or is it two years. I suppose it depends on when it came out. If it was out in Januarary 82 then it's a year but if it was December then it's almost two years away. Anyway hopefully IFI will still be about and the Lighthouse too so maybe one of them will show it.
My biggest regret is not going to see TWOK two years ago in The Lighthouse. I think the timing did not suit it I just did not like the price lol. Either way I plan to go in two years or a years time if it is out again. I got to see TMP in the IFI do and for free a couple of years ago. That was so cool and so worth it.

Stark · 16-01-2021 9:41pm

Was watching an episode of "The Critic" and this came up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6T2nRAazrY

Justin Credible Darts · 16-01-2021 10:07pm

Stark wrote: »

The one thing that stood out for me seeing WOK as a young child was that scene with Khan/Chekhov and the brain eel things. Terrifying stuff.

for me it was always...."whats the story with this guys chest"

even today I see it and think it looks like plastic

breezy1985 · 17-01-2021 12:42am

17-01-2021 11:00am

Was looking for a ship model to build to pass some time. Anyone recommend any good ones? NX-01 preferably, thanks.

ilovesmybrick · 17-01-2021 11:52am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Was looking for a ship model to build to pass some time. Anyone recommend any good ones? NX-01 preferably, thanks.

I built the Revell TOS Enterprise, Voyager, and D7, They're all pretty straightforward, though the Enterprise and Voyager look great with the paintwork. The D7 model was kind of crap.

For additional fun I also added LED lights to all three models. Quite straightforward to do if you can do some basic soldering etc., and on the enterprise I added an arduino so the nacelle lights rotate! Hooked up to a smart plug and now when I say "Engage" they all light up (I have a very, very patient partner)! It turns models that take maybe two or three days depending into something that will take maybe two weeks, but it's worth it.

I think AMT have the best range of ships, and I was looking at their NX-01 refit, but whenever I've come across them they always were a bit on the pricey side for the larger ones.

AMKC · 17-01-2021 4:31pm

Anyone here know who the aliens in the enterprise Episode "Unexpected" were?

Ah Xerrillians is who they are. No idea if I spelt that right.

TheValeyard · 17-01-2021 4:37pm

AMKC wrote: »

Anyone here know who the aliens in the enterprise Episode "Unexpected" were?

Xyrillian

GSPfan · 19-01-2021 8:48pm

Strange question for everyone....

If Star Trek Enterprise had a more normal intro in the same vein as TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager do you think it would have been received better by fans at the time?

I ask because I remember watching it and at the time I’d cringe a little at that intro music at the start of every episode. It blunted my excitement slightly.

I just wonder if Enterprise had of started with a theme tune like that of Quantum Leap would we have all remembered it a bit more fondly.

19-01-2021 8:50pm

It’s my favourite (the slower one from 1 and 2 anyway) and I think it suits the era and idea of the show, but yeah I get what you mean. Seems to be heavily criticised.

breezy1985 · 19-01-2021 8:53pm

GSPfan wrote: »

Strange question for everyone....

If Star Trek Enterprise had a more normal intro in the same vein as TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager do you think it would have been received better by fans at the time?

I ask because I remember watching it and at the time I’d cringe a little at that intro music at the start of every episode. It blunted my excitement slightly.

I just wonder if Enterprise had of started with a theme tune like that of Quantum Leap would we have all remembered it a bit more fondly.

Calling it Enterprise really annoyed me and Bakula was a bit too squeaky clean. A better actor like Stewart, Brooks or Isaac's might have carried the show but the general consensus seems to be that people were just a bit worn out with Bermans Star Trek

Rawr · 19-01-2021 11:40pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Calling it Enterprise really annoyed me and Bakula was a bit too squeaky clean. A better actor like Stewart, Brooks or Isaac's might have carried the show but the general consensus seems to be that people were just a bit worn out with Bermans Star Trek

That for me is part of what I was getting tired with.
I remember by the time I was watching the final season of Voyager I was feeling that Rick Berman was either sitting on his laurels or was just spent of good ideas. Enterprise had just felt like a unwise attempt to ape the Star Wars prequel trilogy, in the hope that scifi prequels would be a new popular trend. Dropping "Star Trek" from the name also pissed me off no end.

It was a show that deserved more credit than I believe I was ready to give at the time.

AMKC · 20-01-2021 8:55pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s my favourite (the slower one from 1 and 2 anyway) and I think it suits the era and idea of the show, but yeah I get what you mean. Seems to be heavily criticised.

Agreed it was a much better tune in season 1 and 2 than what they done to it in season 3 and 4 and ruining it like that was just disgraceful. I like singing it.

odyssey06 · 20-01-2021 9:10pm

AMKC wrote: »

Agreed it was a much better tune in season 1 and 2 than what they done to it in season 3 and 4 and ruining it like that was just disgraceful. I like singing it.

It's a nice tune but it's not Trek... I was a bit more hostile towards it until I saw Russell Watson doing a random interview on TV and he came across as a sound bloke.

AMKC · 20-01-2021 10:46pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's a nice tune but it's not Trek... I was a bit more hostile towards it until I saw Russell Watson doing a random interview on TV and he came across as a sound bloke.

You might have liked the original theme that was intended for it then,

https://youtu.be/JtWT-H3XQGI

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