FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

Necro · 12-02-2020 2:37pm

Idbatterim wrote:

Meh! I run a company, the taxes many are paying, primarily the banks and the vulturne funds etc, are a pittance. I am prepared to call their bluff on this. We need a reasonable site levy, a lot of what SF have proposed, makes sense. We hit the working poor with a marginal tax rate of FIFTY percent, but the banks and vulture funds, etc, creaming it off from the workers, will dissapear when forced to increase the pittance they have to contribute? they wont. You cant make an omelette without breaking eggs. their threats are bull****, believe me.

Sinn Feins policies want to tax the rich
And at the same time fix the health system by employing more doctors and consultants who will be in that very tax bracket

How does that make any sense

And that's just one of their mental plans

Anyways this is a thread about FG not SF

JohnnyFlash · 12-02-2020 2:38pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

He posted up the number of new builds on twitter yesterday and was absolutely hammered for it, Twitter users told him to go way that he and FG were done.

The two larger parties have not contacted FG seeking to form a government, nothing he can do.

The electorate have voted for change, let them have change. If anything he’s being gracious in defeat.

Now it’s time for SF to shine, let them deliver on the promises they made to their voters.

That’s the one. FG went to the people with a message about balanced budgets, economic growth, and prudent investments in service and infrastructure improvements.

That was rejected by the electorate and FG had their 2nd worst result ever. There’s no mandate for more of the same.

FG now have to spend time in opposition and consider what the party is about and who they represent. Rebuilding and all that jazz.

It’s highly ironic that those who were so keen to see the back of them (including on this forum) are now so tetchy about the idea of FG spending time in opposition.

Things worked out exactly as people wanted. Opposition isn’t doing nothing. It’s an essential part of democracy.

Thisonedone · 12-02-2020 2:39pm

storker wrote: »

And FG.

"Not another red cent"
"I will end the scandal of patients on trolleys"

And the usc lie. And the lie about being the party for people who get up early in the morning.

Fr_Dougal · 12-02-2020 2:40pm

Yurt! wrote: »

I really don't get why FG are stepping back(well I have an idea), with so many problems to be solved and a viable coalition staring them right in the face.

I’m going to quote this one back to you if FG are approached by one of the two larger parties and go into government.

I have a feeling your stance will change if that happens.

dxhound2005 · 12-02-2020 2:40pm

McMurphy wrote: »

I'm basing my assumptions on the stats/trends. You're basing yours on wishful thinking presumably.

Compare the three party's seat share stats since 2011 - 2016 - 2020

And then argue with the stats rather than an anonymous username on the internet.

I don't think we have a hard left Republican Socialist core vote all of a sudden. When ordinary people find out that some of the ones who could be in government want to seize all their private property, they won't vote that direction again.

The electorate has proved very volatile since 2007. The extra 6,000 first preferences the SF woman in Kildare got even though she went on holdays during the campaign, is not a core SF vote.

I Am The Law · 12-02-2020 2:41pm

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Look it's going to be a FF/Greens/SocDems coalition with FG providing confidence and supply from the opposition benches. Labour fully in opposition.

This is the only possible outcome. Matt McGrath, Jim O Callaghhan, Jack Chambers have all said FF/SF not happening. Two thirds of FF members are against it as well.

Followed by SF overall majority the next time, without the hinderance of Greens SocDems.

Yurt2 · 12-02-2020 2:41pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Haha ah lads.

SF supporters screaming for years that Leo and FG need to go.

They get booted out and now their whinging FG won't form a government!!

WTF like!!??

I want the current FG crop a million miles from the cabinet table. But it's very instructive that they've clearly clocked out when they could very clearly be in the hunt to form part of a government if they wanted to.

They are doing the very thing they spent years telling the electorate the left did.

Truly a bunch of wasters

is_that_so · 12-02-2020 2:41pm

Yurt! wrote: »

I really don't get why FG are stepping back(well I have an idea), with so many problems to be solved and a viable coalition staring them right in the face.

Between the two of them, they'll do anything to keep the Punch and Judy show going. National interest be damned.

This is a very bizarre stance seeing as they have been rejected by the electorate. Even MLM claims SF won the election so it is up to them and FF to a lesser extent. You can hardly point the finger at the other two when SF left up to 10 seats on the pitch. There is no viable coalition for FG, certainly not one its members would accept.

dwmcdos · 12-02-2020 2:42pm

Why only 5 years? Sure they can have 50 years if they want.

Idbatterim · 12-02-2020 2:43pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

The bolded bit isn't true.

yes it is, you might not agree 35,000 being working poor, but it is in dublin... I offer staff extra hours and the vast majority wont take it at E35 an hour, due to the marginal rate. Its outrageous, that rate of penal tax , from that low an income! FG a party for workers and enterprise !!! LOL! LOL!

dxhound2005 · 12-02-2020 2:43pm

Yurt! wrote: »

I want the current FG crop a million miles from the cabinet table. But it's very instructive that they've clearly clocked out when they could very clearly be in the hunt to form part of a government if they wanted to.

They are doing the very thing they spent years telling the electorate the left did.

Truly a bunch of wasters

I would see it as a holding position. If the Left government is not formed, it could be back to FF/FG.

dubrov · 12-02-2020 2:43pm

Necro wrote: »

320 million wiped off the market in Irish shares at the mere thought of SF taking power.

Careful what you wish for SF voters, you just might get it.

Where are you getting that from? The bank prices seem to have moved in line with the general market since Friday

Fr_Dougal · 12-02-2020 2:44pm

Yurt! wrote: »

I want the current FG crop a million miles from the cabinet table. But it's very instructive that they've clearly clocked out when they could very clearly be in the hunt to form part of a government if they wanted to.

They are doing the very thing they spent years telling the electorate the left did.

Truly a bunch of wasters

.

Thisonedone · 12-02-2020 2:44pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

That’s the one. FG went to the people with a message about balanced budgets, economic growth, and prudent investments in service and infrastructure improvements.

That was rejected by the electorate and FG had their 2nd worst result ever. There’s no mandate for more of the same.

FG now have to spend time in opposition and consider what the party is about and who they represent. Rebuilding and all that jazz.

It’s highly ironic that those who were so keen to see the back of them (including on this forum) are now so tetchy about the idea of FG spending time in opposition.

Things worked out exactly as people wanted. Opposition isn’t doing nothing. It’s an essential part of democracy.

People rejected them because they were so incompetent in government:

Housing crises
Health crises
Completely inadequate public transport system
Massive fines for doing nothing about their emissions targets

They are a party who have been asleep for the past 4 years.

Tacitus Kilgore · 12-02-2020 2:44pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

yes it is, you might not agree 35,000 being working poor, but it is in dublin... I offer staff extra hours and the vast majority wont take it at E35 an hour, due to the marginal rate. Its outrageous, that rate of penal tax , from that low an income! FG a party for workers and enterprise !!! LOL! LOL!

Noone pays 50% income tax, especially not those on 35k!

Our tax rate is national, you are lying about this repeatedly. There are plenty truths you can peddle that are more damaging than this baseless lie.

Idbatterim · 12-02-2020 2:46pm

Thisonedone wrote: »

People rejected them because they were so incompetent in government:

Housing crises
Health crises
Completely inadequate public transport system
Massive fines for doing nothing about their emissions targets

They are a party who have been asleep for the past 4 years.

I have repeated this here endlessly, the bar here is set so low, that all you have to do, to retain power, is not be absolutely ****e, **** will get you past the post...

Its just total paralysis and talk here. This election, has probably done the entire country a favour, there is no way, getting voted in and doing nothing, will be tolerated any more. Time will tell...

JohnnyFlash · 12-02-2020 2:46pm

Thisonedone wrote: »

People rejected them because they were so incompetent in government:

Housing crises
Health crises
Completely inadequate public transport system
Massive fines for doing nothing about their emissions targets

They are a party who have been asleep for the past 4 years.

We’ve enormous levels of debt, and only had our first budget surplus in over a decade last year. If you don’t have money then you can’t buy nice things. This isn’t even complex economic theory - it’s junior cert level budgeting.

Yurt2 · 12-02-2020 2:47pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I’m going to quote this one back to you if FG are approached by one of the two larger parties and go into government.

I have a feeling your stance will change if that happens.

If they form a government I'd let them at it. Not a good thing for the country mind you, because these are the two stodgy movements that wrecked the country on one hand, and delivered us the slow-train wreck that is housing on the other.

Ultimately those two are afraid of it because they're so accustomed to taking lumps out of each other pretending they're not two wings of the same party. Which is why they're not seeking it out.

You can go back into archives and quote me on that if you wish.

In any case, I'd be fairly confident that Leo and Martin will have us back in our local national school in a few weeks rather than seriously entertain the idea of a grand coalition.

Keyzer · 12-02-2020 2:49pm

satguy wrote: »

It seems FG will be very happy to just sit on their hands for 5 years. Would FG voters be happy with this, as it means all those FG votes mean nothing, and do nothing.

Having been in power for 9 years, they did nothing, people have no homes, people still on trollies.

FG may have given some of their rich buddies some tax breaks.

But other than that, they did what FG do best, are their poor hands not numb by now.

This kind of nonsense boils my piss.

I'm not FG but they inherited an absolute sh1tshow when they got into power, the country was on its knee's quite literally. You don't turn those things around with the snap of a finger - they did what they could, with what resources were available to them.

Yes, they've made mistakes along the way, some absolute howlers but they did what they could. Any other party in their position would have delivered similar results.

IAMAMORON · 12-02-2020 2:51pm

It is like the Fine Gael bashers have run out of things to bash now.

Only 1 in 5 people voted for FG. It is everyone else's chance now.

For people who say they did nothing I think they have chosen to ignore

1) Gay Marriage
2) Abortion

No other party ever delivered these in 100 years of the State. It needs to be said.

I look forward to seeing John Brady or David Cullinane discussing the future of Bord Iascaigh Mhara after Brexit starts rolling in. If I was living in Killybegs I would be genuinely shítting myself. Meet the new boss …. same as the old boss.

is_that_so · 12-02-2020 2:53pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is like the Fine Gael bashers have run out of things to bash now.

Only 1 in 5 people voted for FG. It is everyone else's chance now.

For people who say they did nothing I think they have chosen to ignore

1) Gay Marriage
2) Abortion

No other party ever delivered these in 100 years of the State. It needs to be said.

I look forward to seeing John Brady or David Cullinane discussing the future of Bord Iascaigh Mhara after Brexit starts rolling in. If I was living in Killybegs I would be genuinely shítting myself. Meet the new boss …. same as the old boss.

They gave us divorce too, twice whereas FF got the ball rolling on adding the 8th and twice tried to change the electoral system to FPTP.

Fanny Wank · 12-02-2020 2:54pm

Necro wrote: »

320 million wiped off the market in Irish shares at the mere thought of SF taking power.

Careful what you wish for SF voters, you just might get it.

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1226990940642070528?s=19

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1227190392791195653?s=19

Idbatterim · 12-02-2020 2:54pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Noone pays 50% income tax, especially not those on 35k!

Our tax rate is national, you are lying about this repeatedly. There are plenty truths you can peddle that are more damaging than this baseless lie.

single people earning above 35,300 if single, dont pay FIFTY percent?

please see the below income tax calculator!

https://download.pwc.com/ie/budget-2020/income-tax-results.html?status=1&parentstatus=0&ageattained=35&prsicategory=1&grossincome=on&grosssalary=35300&pensionfund=on&tradeincome=on&welfarepension=on&investmentincome=0&salary3=0&covehicle=on&healthinsure=on&clubbiksel=0&otherbiksel=0&employerloan=on&submit=Calculate+my+tax

Idbatterim · 12-02-2020 2:56pm

Fg said they were about prudence and rewarding workers, absolute lies on both counts over the last nine years, coming from a former FG voter...

Yurt2 · 12-02-2020 2:59pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

We’ve enormous levels of debt, and only had our first budget surplus in over a decade last year. If you don’t have money then you can’t buy nice things. This isn’t even complex economic theory - it’s junior cert level budgeting.

You don't need to run a budget surplus to build infrastructure or invest once you're creditworthy and service your debt. We were back on the markets a long time ago.

If he's Junior Cert, you've just failed your Leaving.

Tacitus Kilgore · 12-02-2020 3:02pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

single people earning above 35,300 if single, dont pay FIFTY percent?

please see the below income tax calculator!

Idbatterim wrote: »

Your link shows an overall tax rate of 17.2%.

Gross income = €35,300

Deductions = €6,083

Nett income = €29,217

Or are you saying that 17.2 = FIFTY?

seamus · 12-02-2020 3:04pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is like the Fine Gael bashers have run out of things to bash now.

It's incredibly amusing.

Sometime last week there was an article in one of the British newspapers saying; "Brexit has been delivered. So why are Brexiteers still so angry?"

This has all the hallmarks of the same thing. Sinn Féin supporters poured their heart and soul into attacking FG for the last nine years. Leo is a Tory, they're all posh D4 heads just feeding off the trough. They're killing people with their policies. Get them out. Out, out, out.

Now it's job done. FG are out. But the Shinners are still angry. They've achieved what they claim was their goal, but apparently don't feel any better about themselves.

FG are still the enemy. FG are doing exactly what Shinners wanted; getting out of government; but now that's not OK. They should be doing the opposite. The goalposts haven't just shifted, they've been moved to the opposite end of the pitch.

Could it be that we have a core group of detractors who are just malcontents? They hitched themselves to the Shinner wagon because it was going the same way, but really all they really wanted was to bitch and moan, and bitch and moan. They were never looking for anyone to fix anything, they just wanted a sounding board to shout at.

Now the old sounding board is being taken down and they pledged their allegiance to the new sounding board, so they don't know who to bitch and moan about any more.

Green&Red · 12-02-2020 3:04pm

Yurt! wrote: »

You don't need to run a budget surplus to build infrastructure or invest once you're creditworthy and service your debt. We were back on the markets a long time ago.

If he's Junior Cert, you've just failed your Leaving.

Central bank seems to disagree

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114707-central-bank-quarterly-bulletin/

Unfortunately it’s obvious that if SF do get into government the only way they can deliver a fraction of their promises is by borrowing.

Idbatterim · 12-02-2020 3:05pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Idbatterim wrote: »

single people earning above 35,300 if single, dont pay FIFTY percent?

please see the below income tax calculator!

Idbatterim wrote: »

Your link shows an overall tax rate of 17.2%.

Gross income = €35,300

Deductions = €6,083

Nett income = €29,217

Or are you saying that 17.2 = FIFTY?

I am saying for every euro you earn over E35,300 as a single person, you pay 50c of it in tax. pretty simple to understand, pretty moronic rate and implications...

Ush1 · 12-02-2020 3:10pm

Green&Red wrote: »

Central bank seems to disagree

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114707-central-bank-quarterly-bulletin/

Unfortunately it’s obvious that if SF do get into government the only way they can deliver a fraction of their promises is by borrowing.

It's gas, the USC isn't enough for some. Troika and IMF will be back in no time.

BarryNumber1 · 12-02-2020 3:11pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

We’ve enormous levels of debt, and only had our first budget surplus in over a decade last year. If you don’t have money then you can’t buy nice things. This isn’t even complex economic theory - it’s junior cert level budgeting.

This is the root of everything that’s going on right now... 200 billion in the hole and we’re spending 5 billion annually to service that. Any further borrowing will only screw things up further. Quite frankly, the boot up the hole to FG and FF to a lesser extent has been decades coming. I’m in my 50s, never voted for FF as I saw first hand the thick-as-two-planks shysters getting in time and again in Cork and knew that would bite us in the arse one day. Well it has. I generally give FG a vote but will not any more as long as Leo is in charge. He hasn’t an ounce of empathy for anyone’s plight be they those lower income or the entitled-to-nothing-pay-for-everything middle class. FG need to grow up and try to fix what’s in front of them, not gloat afterwards if SF and coalition (?) go south... that sorts nothing out and is only repeating the FF vs FG nonsense we’ve had for decades.

Yes I’m aware of shysters also in FG. Yes I’m aware of the RA brigade in SF, I don’t vote for them either. Solving Ireland’s problems is not going to be done by them, only by adults. FG should assign their adults to talking to whoever to try to get us out of this ****fest.

Tacitus Kilgore · 12-02-2020 3:11pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Idbatterim wrote: »

single people earning above 35,300 if single, dont pay FIFTY percent?

please see the below income tax calculator!

I am saying for every euro you earn over E35,300 as a single person, you pay 50c of it in tax. pretty simple to understand, pretty moronic rate and implications...

No you said that low income workers in dublin on 35k - (agreed that this is low for Dublin fwiw) pay 50% tax on their income.

They don't. It's impossible, even if you were on €200,000 you would still only be paying 45.2% tax.

You are fecking miles off with your statement, changing your stance to say: It's FIFTY % on overtime is still lying.

The only time someone in Ireland pays 50% income tax is once they get to an annual salary of about €750,000pa.

Fr_Dougal · 12-02-2020 3:12pm

seamus wrote: »

It's incredibly amusing.

...lots of common sense...

SF overpromised in their manifesto, surprised Mary Lou didn’t include ‘World peace and end world hunger’. SF figured they’d be in opposition, and could constantly tap their little manifesto and tell and and sundry that the government are falling short of what SF would have done.

Now they have a very realistic chance of forming a government, and have no way of realistically delivering on their promises.

PauloMN · 12-02-2020 3:12pm

People voted for "change" as the left have been telling us since the results. FG is giving the people the opportunity for "change".

FG are absolutely right not to consider a coalition with SF. Their policies are not compatible, and the resulting government would be a pointless one which would not last long at all.

Let SF at the reins, it's time to see what they can do. They are already beginning to sound like a party of government. "Carbon taxes? Ah I'm sure we can do something around that to keep the Greens happy, even if we promised not to increase them."

I'm not only interested to see how they perform in government, but also to see how their aim of a united Ireland develops while they are in power. From their manifesto:

The Irish Government has a duty and a constitutional obligation to make preparations for Unity.
To examine the economic arguments. The cultural and social dimensions. The political dynamics.
To take account of the significant shifts in population and identity demographics in the North in
recent decades. To open this process up and in consultation with and through a process of inclusive
dialogue, to persuade those – unionists, nationalists and others – who have reservations about unity
- that Irish unity makes sense for them, for their families and for the future.

A newly elected TD shouting "up the RA" is hardly going to "persuade unionists" who have reservations about Irish unity I'd imagine.

Yurt2 · 12-02-2020 3:12pm

Green&Red wrote: »

Central bank seems to disagree

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114707-central-bank-quarterly-bulletin/

Unfortunately it’s obvious that if SF do get into government the only way they can deliver a fraction of their promises is by borrowing.

I wasn't referring to future borrowing/spend policies. You were slyly suggesting that the outgoing government couldn't do anything about the problems highlighted because they only ran their first surplus last year.

They were borrowing the entire time (since we got access to the markets), they just so happened to be spunking it up against the wall on HAP in a broken market and consultancy fees evreytime they had to decide what tie to pick out in the morning.

Idbatterim · 12-02-2020 3:14pm

for all of those of you hoping this will be a blip for Fg, it might be, it wont be if they keep that moron varadkar at the helm, I see I am not the only one that wont vote for them again, with that spinessless weasel at the helm!

satguy · 12-02-2020 3:17pm

The only job FG would have liked to finish, was getting Dinny over the 10 Billion mark.

They came close.. Maybe next time...

storker · 12-02-2020 3:19pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is like the Fine Gael bashers have run out of things to bash now.

Only 1 in 5 people voted for FG. It is everyone else's chance now.

For people who say they did nothing I think they have chosen to ignore

1) Gay Marriage
2) Abortion

No other party ever delivered these in 100 years of the State. It needs to be said.

That's true. And I'd also give credit to FF for the smoking ban. It still amazes me that it was them who brought it in.

The trouble is that none of those achievements puts money in your pocket, gives you better access to health care, makes it easier to get a home or reduces the cost of insurance...all factors which will also affect gay couples, women who have had abortions and pub drinkers with cleaner lungs.

Yurt2 · 12-02-2020 3:20pm

seamus wrote: »

It's incredibly amusing.

Sometime last week there was an article in one of the British newspapers saying; "Brexit has been delivered. So why are Brexiteers still so angry?"

This has all the hallmarks of the same thing. Sinn Féin supporters poured their heart and soul into attacking FG for the last nine years. Leo is a Tory, they're all posh D4 heads just feeding off the trough. They're killing people with their policies. Get them out. Out, out, out.

Now it's job done. FG are out. But the Shinners are still angry. They've achieved what they claim was their goal, but apparently don't feel any better about themselves.

FG are still the enemy. FG are doing exactly what Shinners wanted; getting out of government; but now that's not OK. They should be doing the opposite. The goalposts haven't just shifted, they've been moved to the opposite end of the pitch.

Could it be that we have a core group of detractors who are just malcontents? They hitched themselves to the Shinner wagon because it was going the same way, but really all they really wanted was to bitch and moan, and bitch and moan. They were never looking for anyone to fix anything, they just wanted a sounding board to shout at.

Now the old sounding board is being taken down and they pledged their allegiance to the new sounding board, so they don't know who to bitch and moan about any more.

Maybe we're having a good chuckle at the hubris and misfortune of FG voters who don't know how to bow out gracefully. Busy with their crystal ball and hot-take Tory boy economics telling us how Ireland is going to turn into Cuba because the country thumped their party for their demonstrable failures.

BarryD2 · 12-02-2020 3:20pm

satguy wrote: »

It seems FG will be very happy to just sit on their hands for 5 years. Would FG voters be happy with this, as it means all those FG votes mean nothing, and do nothing.

Having been in power for 9 years, they did nothing, people have no homes, people still on trollies.

FG may have given some of their rich buddies some tax breaks.

But other than that, they did what FG do best, are their poor hands not numb by now.

Five years? LOL! If there isn't an election in the next month or so, there'll surely be one after the next budget. Wait till the real impact of Brexit bites hard and Sean/ Sinead will be on the war path.

Trizo · 12-02-2020 3:23pm

This is hilarious , all the SF supporters on here who have been ranting and raving about FG and FF demanding change and when they get it, they are panicking about who’s going to run the country. They almost seem to be demanding that FG and FF go back into government despite demanding change -You actually couldn’t make this up :rolleyes:

Its like the kids have kicked the parents out of the house and now because they don’t have a job cant pay the bills , don’t know how to operate the washing machine , the dishes are going to pile up and the next door neighbour is calling around at 5 to discuss a boundary wall issue. Poor pets are having a meltdown, and worst of all there’s nobody to read them a bedtime story where it ends happily ever after.

Guys you got what you wanted , SF have the popular vote and just about the most seats (when you consider the Ceann Comhairle is FF) its up to them to form the government , FG and FF were roundly rejected by the electorate for their failings, they have no mandate. People have voted for change so let’s get on with it, form the government and start governing …

If SF, then decide actually you know what I preferred the comfortable seats on the other side of the Dail well then it’ll be up to FF and to a lesser extent FG to try and put something together until that time the ball is firmly in MLM’s hands. It’ll be some spoof though not to govern after the election they have had.

People on this thread still going on like the election hasn’t happened, going over old issues and grievances - the votes have been counted guys move on …..

bullpost · 12-02-2020 3:23pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

Five years? LOL! If there isn't an election in the next month or so, there'll surely be one after the next budget. Wait till the real impact of Brexit bites hard and Sean/ Sinead will be on the war path.

FG are like the family on the housing list who are offered a house in a dodgy area and think "Nah, We'll wait for a better offer"

krissovo · 12-02-2020 3:24pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

They don't. It's impossible, even if you were on €200,000 you would still only be paying 45.2% tax.

You are fecking miles off with your statement, changing your stance to say: It's FIFTY % on overtime is still lying.
.

I think he means after deductions, I take home just over 48% of my paycheck after tax, prsi, usc and levies. I am in the bracket that SF want to apply further taxes on.

Fr_Dougal · 12-02-2020 3:24pm

Yurt! wrote: »

Maybe we're having a good chuckle at the hubris and misfortune of FG voters who don't know how to bow out gracefully. Busy with their crystal ball and hot-take Tory boy economics telling us how Ireland is going to turn into Cuba because the country thumped their party for their demonstrable failures.

You have contradicted yourself many times in this thread.

Yurt! wrote: »

It's funny because Leo is now relishing his place on the ditch and and is busy picking out a comfy spot.

For a man that was apparently so enthusiastic to be Taoiseach a few short days ago, he's given up the ghost fairly handy when there is a clear viable FG/FF option on the table.

If SF are such a grave danger to the state, it's surely incumbent on Leo the patriot to get talking with amenable partners to form a government that excludes them in the national interest.

Yurt! wrote: »

All the noises from Leo is that he's content on the opposition benches. This isn't Fine Gael playing hard to get.

You can clearly see other smaller parties making moves and staking out other's positions. Evreyone is in the mix to form a coalition - except Leo who has more or less told everyone he's off for a nap.

You’re not happy when he accepts that FG will be in opposition, and you’re saying that they’re not bowing out gracefully.

What do you want? A punching bag?

Tacitus Kilgore · 12-02-2020 3:26pm

krissovo wrote: »

I think he means after deductions, I take home just over 48% of my paycheck after tax, prsi, usc and levies. I am in the bracket that SF want to apply further taxes on.

I don't understand tbh,

Do you mean deductions as in pension/healthcare/tax saver tickets?

jimgoose · 12-02-2020 3:26pm

Remember that weird-looking youngfella with the cast-off clothes at the back of the class in primary school, who spent the whole time leering unintelligibly at girls while playing with himself? That's what they're going to do. Oh and, as alluded to by several other posters, I give it twelve months at the outside.

satguy · 12-02-2020 3:27pm

I'll tell you this,, when they do wake up after a 5 year snozze.

The first thing the do is change leaders..

Plumbthedepths · 12-02-2020 3:27pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is like the Fine Gael bashers have run out of things to bash now.

Only 1 in 5 people voted for FG. It is everyone else's chance now.

For people who say they did nothing I think they have chosen to ignore

1) Gay Marriage
2) Abortion

No other party ever delivered these in 100 years of the State. It needs to be said.

I look forward to seeing John Brady or David Cullinane discussing the future of Bord Iascaigh Mhara after Brexit starts rolling in. If I was living in Killybegs I would be genuinely shítting myself. Meet the new boss …. same as the old boss.

Gay marriage was a Labour policy, abortion was pretty much cross party. The parties ran away from it until the public mood changed.

Edgware · 12-02-2020 3:28pm

bullpost wrote: »

FG are like the family on the housing list who are offered a house in a dodgy area and think "Nah, We'll wait for a better offer"

One with room for a trampoline and be able to keep horses

storker · 12-02-2020 3:28pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

SF overpromised in their manifesto

I'm truly shocked. A political party over-promising to get elected. Well goodness me. That must be the first time in the history of the state... :rolleyes:

FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

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