Yurt! wrote: » I want the current FG crop a million miles from the cabinet table. But it's very instructive that they've clearly clocked out when they could very clearly be in the hunt to form part of a government if they wanted to. They are doing the very thing they spent years telling the electorate the left did. Truly a bunch of wasters
Necro wrote: » 320 million wiped off the market in Irish shares at the mere thought of SF taking power. Careful what you wish for SF voters, you just might get it.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » That’s the one. FG went to the people with a message about balanced budgets, economic growth, and prudent investments in service and infrastructure improvements. That was rejected by the electorate and FG had their 2nd worst result ever. There’s no mandate for more of the same. FG now have to spend time in opposition and consider what the party is about and who they represent. Rebuilding and all that jazz. It’s highly ironic that those who were so keen to see the back of them (including on this forum) are now so tetchy about the idea of FG spending time in opposition. Things worked out exactly as people wanted. Opposition isn’t doing nothing. It’s an essential part of democracy.
Idbatterim wrote: » yes it is, you might not agree 35,000 being working poor, but it is in dublin... I offer staff extra hours and the vast majority wont take it at E35 an hour, due to the marginal rate. Its outrageous, that rate of penal tax , from that low an income! FG a party for workers and enterprise !!! LOL! LOL!
Thisonedone wrote: » People rejected them because they were so incompetent in government: Housing crises Health crises Completely inadequate public transport system Massive fines for doing nothing about their emissions targets They are a party who have been asleep for the past 4 years.
Fr_Dougal wrote: » I’m going to quote this one back to you if FG are approached by one of the two larger parties and go into government. I have a feeling your stance will change if that happens.
satguy wrote: » It seems FG will be very happy to just sit on their hands for 5 years. Would FG voters be happy with this, as it means all those FG votes mean nothing, and do nothing.Having been in power for 9 years, they did nothing, people have no homes, people still on trollies. FG may have given some of their rich buddies some tax breaks. But other than that, they did what FG do best, are their poor hands not numb by now.
IAMAMORON wrote: » It is like the Fine Gael bashers have run out of things to bash now. Only 1 in 5 people voted for FG. It is everyone else's chance now. For people who say they did nothing I think they have chosen to ignore 1) Gay Marriage 2) Abortion No other party ever delivered these in 100 years of the State. It needs to be said. I look forward to seeing John Brady or David Cullinane discussing the future of Bord Iascaigh Mhara after Brexit starts rolling in. If I was living in Killybegs I would be genuinely shítting myself. Meet the new boss …. same as the old boss.
Tacitus Kilgore wrote: » Noone pays 50% income tax, especially not those on 35k! Our tax rate is national, you are lying about this repeatedly. There are plenty truths you can peddle that are more damaging than this baseless lie.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » We’ve enormous levels of debt, and only had our first budget surplus in over a decade last year. If you don’t have money then you can’t buy nice things. This isn’t even complex economic theory - it’s junior cert level budgeting.
Idbatterim wrote: » single people earning above 35,300 if single, dont pay FIFTY percent? please see the below income tax calculator! Idbatterim wrote: » Your link shows an overall tax rate of 17.2%. Gross income = €35,300 Deductions = €6,083 Nett income = €29,217 Or are you saying that 17.2 = FIFTY?
Idbatterim wrote: » Your link shows an overall tax rate of 17.2%. Gross income = €35,300 Deductions = €6,083 Nett income = €29,217 Or are you saying that 17.2 = FIFTY?
IAMAMORON wrote: » It is like the Fine Gael bashers have run out of things to bash now.
Yurt! wrote: » You don't need to run a budget surplus to build infrastructure or invest once you're creditworthy and service your debt. We were back on the markets a long time ago. If he's Junior Cert, you've just failed your Leaving.
Tacitus Kilgore wrote: » Idbatterim wrote: » single people earning above 35,300 if single, dont pay FIFTY percent? please see the below income tax calculator! Idbatterim wrote: » Your link shows an overall tax rate of 17.2%. Gross income = €35,300 Deductions = €6,083 Nett income = €29,217 Or are you saying that 17.2 = FIFTY? I am saying for every euro you earn over E35,300 as a single person, you pay 50c of it in tax. pretty simple to understand, pretty moronic rate and implications...
Idbatterim wrote: » single people earning above 35,300 if single, dont pay FIFTY percent? please see the below income tax calculator! Idbatterim wrote: » Your link shows an overall tax rate of 17.2%. Gross income = €35,300 Deductions = €6,083 Nett income = €29,217 Or are you saying that 17.2 = FIFTY? I am saying for every euro you earn over E35,300 as a single person, you pay 50c of it in tax. pretty simple to understand, pretty moronic rate and implications...
Green&Red wrote: » Central bank seems to disagreehttps://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114707-central-bank-quarterly-bulletin/ Unfortunately it’s obvious that if SF do get into government the only way they can deliver a fraction of their promises is by borrowing.
Idbatterim wrote: » Tacitus Kilgore wrote: » Idbatterim wrote: » single people earning above 35,300 if single, dont pay FIFTY percent? please see the below income tax calculator! I am saying for every euro you earn over E35,300 as a single person, you pay 50c of it in tax. pretty simple to understand, pretty moronic rate and implications... No you said that low income workers in dublin on 35k - (agreed that this is low for Dublin fwiw) pay 50% tax on their income. They don't. It's impossible, even if you were on €200,000 you would still only be paying 45.2% tax. You are fecking miles off with your statement, changing your stance to say: It's FIFTY % on overtime is still lying. The only time someone in Ireland pays 50% income tax is once they get to an annual salary of about €750,000pa.
Tacitus Kilgore wrote: » Idbatterim wrote: » single people earning above 35,300 if single, dont pay FIFTY percent? please see the below income tax calculator! I am saying for every euro you earn over E35,300 as a single person, you pay 50c of it in tax. pretty simple to understand, pretty moronic rate and implications... No you said that low income workers in dublin on 35k - (agreed that this is low for Dublin fwiw) pay 50% tax on their income. They don't. It's impossible, even if you were on €200,000 you would still only be paying 45.2% tax. You are fecking miles off with your statement, changing your stance to say: It's FIFTY % on overtime is still lying. The only time someone in Ireland pays 50% income tax is once they get to an annual salary of about €750,000pa.
Idbatterim wrote: » single people earning above 35,300 if single, dont pay FIFTY percent? please see the below income tax calculator! I am saying for every euro you earn over E35,300 as a single person, you pay 50c of it in tax. pretty simple to understand, pretty moronic rate and implications...
seamus wrote: » It's incredibly amusing. ...lots of common sense...
The Irish Government has a duty and a constitutional obligation to make preparations for Unity. To examine the economic arguments. The cultural and social dimensions. The political dynamics. To take account of the significant shifts in population and identity demographics in the North in recent decades. To open this process up and in consultation with and through a process of inclusive dialogue, to persuade those – unionists, nationalists and others – who have reservations about unity - that Irish unity makes sense for them, for their families and for the future.
IAMAMORON wrote: » It is like the Fine Gael bashers have run out of things to bash now. Only 1 in 5 people voted for FG. It is everyone else's chance now. For people who say they did nothing I think they have chosen to ignore 1) Gay Marriage 2) Abortion No other party ever delivered these in 100 years of the State. It needs to be said.
seamus wrote: » It's incredibly amusing. Sometime last week there was an article in one of the British newspapers saying; "Brexit has been delivered. So why are Brexiteers still so angry?" This has all the hallmarks of the same thing. Sinn Féin supporters poured their heart and soul into attacking FG for the last nine years. Leo is a Tory, they're all posh D4 heads just feeding off the trough. They're killing people with their policies. Get them out. Out, out, out. Now it's job done. FG are out. But the Shinners are still angry. They've achieved what they claim was their goal, but apparently don't feel any better about themselves. FG are still the enemy. FG are doing exactly what Shinners wanted; getting out of government; but now that's not OK. They should be doing the opposite. The goalposts haven't just shifted, they've been moved to the opposite end of the pitch. Could it be that we have a core group of detractors who are just malcontents? They hitched themselves to the Shinner wagon because it was going the same way, but really all they really wanted was to bitch and moan, and bitch and moan. They were never looking for anyone to fix anything, they just wanted a sounding board to shout at. Now the old sounding board is being taken down and they pledged their allegiance to the new sounding board, so they don't know who to bitch and moan about any more.
satguy wrote: » It seems FG will be very happy to just sit on their hands for 5 years. Would FG voters be happy with this, as it means all those FG votes mean nothing, and do nothing. Having been in power for 9 years, they did nothing, people have no homes, people still on trollies. FG may have given some of their rich buddies some tax breaks. But other than that, they did what FG do best, are their poor hands not numb by now.
