Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

Stormyteacup · 25-03-2021 10:54am

This from The Journal, along with Harris supposedly quite optimistic on Newstalk.

https://www.thejournal.ie/hospital-figures-coronavirus-ireland-2-5391121-Mar2021/

Interesting there are apparently no concerns if cases stay below 1,500 per day. Not attributed to anyone as a quote, but hopefully it is ‘understood’.

‘It is understood that clusters in schools are being monitored closely by government and no concerns have been flagged as long as case numbers stay below 1,000 to 1,500 per day’

Boggles · 25-03-2021 10:54am

paw patrol wrote: »

I'd miss your unique and obscure take on posts, so please never stop posting.

What Tom Parlon texting you this morning? Is there so much construction on the go - they had to ship over a load of north korean slave labour?

Yes it's my take that is obscure.

25-03-2021 10:57am

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Are you comparing flu to covid ?

Yes, in a way. I’m saying that Covid is much, much less harmful to school-aged children than flu is.

Demonstrably.

Did I stutter?

25-03-2021 10:57am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Pro rata population we’ve a significant number of vulnerable with the first jab.

They started early 30s kidney recipients this week.

A significant number of vulnerable are done

By April 5th another few thousand will be done

The curve is no more. The vaccination flattened it.

The hospital numbers will be unlikely to rise significantly ever again

I would say, its a touch early to call that, In four weeks time we will be in a great place, in my opinion

ninebeanrows · 25-03-2021 11:04am

Does anybody else curse at the radio when that hold firm ad comes on or is it just me!?

LameBeaver · 25-03-2021 11:08am

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Does anybody else curse at the radio when that hold firm ad comes on or is it just me!?

It`s just you chief.

25-03-2021 11:10am

suicide_circus wrote: »

The latest HSE scandal available on RTE website - trust the HSE!

DOH not the HSE.

Was a disgusting thing to do by the way, lest I be accused of being an apologist

the kelt · 25-03-2021 11:14am

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Does anybody else curse at the radio when that hold firm ad comes on or is it just me!?

Oh yeah, straight to the volume button.

One thing i have to say though i have never listened to as many podcasts in my life than i have in the last year.

Just cant listen to the radio anymore as you cant escape "The Pandemic" so on with the podcasts any time im driving or even when working at home.

Id recommend it, turn off the tv, turn off the radio.

Currently listening about Violet Gibson, crazy Irish woman who shot Mussolini, mad stuff!

paw patrol · 25-03-2021 11:16am

LameBeaver wrote: »

It`s just you chief.

nah , i do too - while lamenting the absolute state of the nation rules by fear and panic.Gimps who give up everything to feel safe while in reality the government cant keep you safe at all.

LameBeaver · 25-03-2021 11:16am

paw patrol wrote: »

why would a non sick person get tested if those numbers only serve to ramp up NPHETS monster erection for more lockdowns and more relevance for them?
It's sounds bizarre but to get tested if you aren't sick is unpatriotic and an insult to your fellow man as it only feeds Mehole and whatever mental illness he is suffering.

.

It`s unpatriotic to get tested if you don`t feel sick? What sort of gobbledegook is this? And you believe that Micheal Martin is suffering from a mental illness? Are you a mental health expert chief?

Sobit1964 · 25-03-2021 11:18am

Stormyteacup wrote: »

This from The Journal, along with Harris supposedly quite optimistic on Newstalk.

https://www.thejournal.ie/hospital-figures-coronavirus-ireland-2-5391121-Mar2021/

Interesting there are apparently no concerns if cases stay below 1,500 per day. Not attributed to anyone as a quote, but hopefully it is ‘understood’.

‘It is understood that clusters in schools are being monitored closely by government and no concerns have been flagged as long as case numbers stay below 1,000 to 1,500 per day’

This would be some joined up thinking. This is great if true, late, but a big improvement on the way numbers are dealt with.

FintanMcluskey · 25-03-2021 11:22am

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Does anybody else curse at the radio when that hold firm ad comes on or is it just me!?

Don’t listen to Pat Kenny

Or the radio will end up on the hard shoulder

paw patrol · 25-03-2021 11:26am

LameBeaver wrote: »

It`s unpatriotic to get tested if you don`t feel sick? What sort of gobbledegook is this?

I clearly explained my reasoning - maybe you need to re-read the post

LameBeaver wrote: »

And you believe that Micheal Martin is suffering from a mental illness? Are you a mental health expert chief?

I can look out the window and see that it's raining. I don't need to be meteorologist. The notion that people need expert opinion to describe what is on front of them is a pathetic servile attitude to living your life. Trust your experience, instinct and common sense , it has carried your genes this far in evolution.

facehugger99 · 25-03-2021 11:29am

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, in a way. I’m saying that Covid is much, much less harmful to school-aged children than flu is.

Demonstrably.

Did I stutter?

Remember when the Mods used to card people for posting the truth?

That aged well.

LameBeaver · 25-03-2021 11:30am

paw patrol wrote: »

nah , i do too - while lamenting the absolute state of the nation rules by fear and panic.Gimps who give up everything to feel safe while in reality the government cant keep you safe at all.

You should talk to Joe about it."Gimps" eh? And you stated in a previous post that NPHET had a "monster erection" for lockdowns. Very curious choice of phrase...........

paw patrol · 25-03-2021 11:32am

LameBeaver wrote: »

You should talk to Joe about it."Gimps" eh? And you stated in a previous post that NPHET had a "hard on" for lockdowns. Very curious choice of phrase...........

don't be curious anymore....
I said it for effect and to humour myself.
sometimes its the simple answers

facehugger99 · 25-03-2021 11:34am

the kelt wrote: »

Oh yeah, straight to the volume button.

One thing i have to say though i have never listened to as many podcasts in my life than i have in the last year.

Just cant listen to the radio anymore as you cant escape "The Pandemic" so on with the podcasts any time im driving or even when working at home.

Id recommend it, turn off the tv, turn off the radio.

Currently listening about Violet Gibson, crazy Irish woman who shot Mussolini, mad stuff!

I gave up listening to Irish radio about 6 years ago.

I realized that most current affairs programming was not about informing you on certain topics, it was specifically designed around triggering people to get either outraged or frightened.

I used to spend over 3 hours a day commuting and it's not healthy to be fed that ****e as you engage in an already stressful activity, like driving through Dublin traffic.

Switched to podcasts and audio books and the only radio I listed to in BBC. - it's far better for your mental health.

25-03-2021 11:35am

paw patrol wrote: »

I clearly explained my reasoning - maybe you need to re-read the post

I can look out the window and see that it's raining. I don't need to be meteorologist. The notion that people need expert opinion to describe what is on front of them is a pathetic servile attitude to living your life. Trust your experience, instinct and common sense , it has carried your genes this far in evolution.

What has got the human race to where it is is not just genes, it is shared knowledge. No individual can hold all the knowledge required to make "common sense" judgements on the myriad of complex issues that make up an advanced society. That's why we have specialists.

Common senses is only common sense if you have the tools required to make that judgement. With common sense only the world is flat

ypres5 · 25-03-2021 11:39am

Just saw now that one quarter of the us population have been given their first dose of the covid vaccine. The eu need to pick up the pace because between america and britain we're going to get left behind

Corby Trouser Press · 25-03-2021 11:43am

Deleted User wrote: »

This is the biggest inequality of them all, in my opinion. How it hasn't been made into a much bigger story, i do not know.

The Construction restrictions are, in my biased opinion, the least effective and most economically damaging measure of all.

There are approx 57k construction sector workers on PUP at the moment.

The construction of private housing and commercial office projects has been on pause for 11 weeks now.

The sector accounted for just 0.6% of outbreaks in the period Sep-Dec 2020.

It is almost unfathomable that we are here now with the clocks about to go forward and still there is doubt about reopening on April 5th.

Somehow allowing the building of houses and other "non-essential" projects has been linked to keeping Schools open, relaxing the 5km limit, access to sports training, etc.

No other country has made such a ludicrous distinction.

A building site is a workplace.
A workplace that requires physical attendance.
A workplace that does not involve interaction with the public.

A roof over your head is about the most essential need there is but we have managed to put a huge barrier in front of it this year.

timmyntc · 25-03-2021 11:48am

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

The Construction restrictions are, in my biased opinion, the least effective and most economically damaging measure of all.

There are approx 57k construction sector workers on PUP at the moment.

The construction of private housing and commercial office projects has been on pause for 11 weeks now.

The sector accounted for just 0.6% of outbreaks in the period Sep-Dec 2020.

It is almost unfathomable that we are here now with the clocks about to go forward and still there is doubt about reopening on April 5th.

Somehow allowing the building of houses and other "non-essential" projects has been linked to keeping Schools open, relaxing the 5km limit, access to sports training, etc.

No other country has made such a ludicrous distinction.

A building site is a workplace.
A workplace that requires physical attendance.
A workplace that does not involve interaction with the public.

A roof over your head is about the most essential need there is but we have managed to put a huge barrier in front of it this year.

Construction is more important than schools being open.
You can catch up on education, but you cant catch up on construction. Either you spend time building or you dont, you cant make up for lost building time.

We are permanently thousands of houses behind schedule and will never catch up.

paw patrol · 25-03-2021 11:51am

Deleted User wrote: »

What has got the human race to where it is is not just genes, it is shared knowledge. No individual can hold all the knowledge required to make "common sense" judgements on the myriad of complex issues that make up an advanced society. That's why we have specialists.

Common senses is only common sense if you have the tools required to make that judgement. With common sense only the world is flat

nobody said otherwise. The point was clearly made.
experts are great but people should not paralysed by inaction waiting on them nor defer to their advice without question. We have a large cult of "science" (which is the absolute antithesis of science btw) now that think cos some expert says something we should follow without question or weighing up the consequences of said action. That's why we are in this mess.

The biggest problem at the moment , it's no longer advice but diktat and I object in the strongest possible terms to that.

25-03-2021 11:51am

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

A roof over your head is about the most essential need there is but we have managed to put a huge barrier in front of it this year.

Mmmm. The cynical part of me is left to wonder what crisis the lockdown-fanatic media will be focused on for their ad revenue post-Covid.

25-03-2021 11:55am

ypres5 wrote: »

Just saw now that one quarter of the us population have been given their first dose of the covid vaccine. The eu need to pick up the pace because between america and britain we're going to get left behind

If EU had vaccinated the same proportion of the population as the US, which they would be not too far off if we blocked all exports like the US, 75% of all vaccines produced would have gone to the 10% of the world population who live in the US, UK and EU. As it is its 47%, with the EU so far getting 13% of the worlds supply of vaccines to just 5.5% of the worlds population who live in the EU. That's a great world to live in isn't it.

The EU is not doing bad, considering from April we will be getting enough vaccines for 20% of the population per month.

An analogy - the Audi will get us there well before most. So a couple of people have a Ferrari, great for them, most are trying to make the trip on foot. At least the Audi may be able to give a few a lift part of the way

FintanMcluskey · 25-03-2021 12:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

An analogy - the Audi will get us there well before most. So a couple of people have a Ferrari, great for them, most are trying to make the trip on foot. At least the Audi may be able to give a few a lift part of the way

Ireland’s old Bedford from Tralee is trundling along just as good

25-03-2021 12:06pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ireland’s old Bedford from Tralee is trundling along just as good

Ahead of Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands....

FintanMcluskey · 25-03-2021 12:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ahead of Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands....

But you must remember they left lockdown in May 2020

The vaccine is not their key to normality

It’s our only hope

BlaktainPicard · 25-03-2021 12:07pm

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

EU pathetic progress in vaccinations, moving at less then 2% a week, christ we will be in the same sh*t restrictions this day a year from now ..

25-03-2021 12:14pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But you must remember they left lockdown in May 2020

The vaccine is not their key to normality

It’s our only hope

What? All of those countries are very high on your favourite stringency index, with Italy at the same level as us. Of course vaccines are their way out

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table

darem93 · 25-03-2021 12:14pm

BlaktainPicard wrote: »

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

EU pathetic progress in vaccinations, moving at less then 2% a week, christ we will be in the same sh*t restrictions this day a year from now ..

The "ramp up" is coming soon, we promise!!

25-03-2021 12:15pm

BlaktainPicard wrote: »

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

EU pathetic progress in vaccinations, moving at less then 2% a week, christ we will be in the same sh*t restrictions this day a year from now ..

The trope is tedious in the extreme - its 20% per month from April

TonyMaloney · 25-03-2021 12:17pm

Deleted User wrote: »

With common sense only the world is flat

Jesus raind, you took a bit of a gamble bringing that up in this thread

Doctor Jimbob · 25-03-2021 12:18pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

I gave up listening to Irish radio about 6 years ago.

I realized that most current affairs programming was not about informing you on certain topics, it was specifically designed around triggering people to get either outraged or frightened.

I used to spend over 3 hours a day commuting and it's not healthy to be fed that ****e as you engage in an already stressful activity, like driving through Dublin traffic.

Switched to podcasts and audio books and the only radio I listed to in BBC. - it's far better for your mental health.

Newstalk has become by far the worst for it (Joe Duffy excepted).

Step 1: Presenter states something phrased in a way that will get people riled up.

Step 2: "Text us, call us, tweet us".

Step 3: Profit.

LameBeaver · 25-03-2021 12:19pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But you must remember they left lockdown in May 2020

The vaccine is not their key to normality

It’s our only hope

And went back into it several times since then.

LameBeaver · 25-03-2021 12:23pm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Newstalk has become by far the worst for it (Joe Duffy excepted).

Step 1: Presenter states something phrased in a way that will get people riled up.

Step 2: "Text us, call us, tweet us".

Step 3: Profit.

As do stations the whole world over or do you believe it`s just an Irish thing?

Doctor Jimbob · 25-03-2021 12:25pm

LameBeaver wrote: »

As do stations the whole world over or do you believe it`s just an Irish thing?

I didn't say otherwise. I just said newstalk are the worst for it in Ireland.

retro:electro · 25-03-2021 12:26pm

I had to drop my niece to school this morning as my sister had an appointment. It was the first time I’d witnessed first hand the ridiculous carry on outside. She’s senior infants so I was allowed accompany her to the door but the older years had to line up in separate lines outside, a few feet apart, no turning around talking, in the pissing fcuking rain waiting for the door to open. Eventually the teacher opened the door and roared at them all to come in one at a time as she hosed them all down with sanitiser. Poor things looked absolutely miserable, hoods up to try and keep themselves dry. What is the point in all of that malarkey when they’ll all be in beside each other in five seconds flat. Pure and utter nonsense pageantry

facehugger99 · 25-03-2021 12:31pm

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

The Construction restrictions are, in my biased opinion, the least effective and most economically damaging measure of all.

There are approx 57k construction sector workers on PUP at the moment.

The construction of private housing and commercial office projects has been on pause for 11 weeks now.

The sector accounted for just 0.6% of outbreaks in the period Sep-Dec 2020.

It is almost unfathomable that we are here now with the clocks about to go forward and still there is doubt about reopening on April 5th.

Somehow allowing the building of houses and other "non-essential" projects has been linked to keeping Schools open, relaxing the 5km limit, access to sports training, etc.

No other country has made such a ludicrous distinction.

A building site is a workplace.
A workplace that requires physical attendance.
A workplace that does not involve interaction with the public.

A roof over your head is about the most essential need there is but we have managed to put a huge barrier in front of it this year.

What makes me most angry is the lack of accountability or even logic underpinning these decisions.

If you are going to make a decision that has a such a cost associated with it, would you not want to know what the benefits of that decision are?

We know there is an economic cost associated with the sheer numbers of construction workers claiming the PUP, we know there is a knock-on effect in delay to completion times. There is even a social element as once upon a time, availability of housing and adequate infrastructure where 'hot-button' topics of the electorate and politicians.

Given all the above, what are we gaining by closing construction, how many less cases, how many less hospitalizations or deaths? Does anyone know? Has anyone in power even bothered to ask these questions?

It is scary to see the complete breakdown in logic associated with Covid, a virus so mild that we have now got pop-up centers to accommodate the people who feel absolutely grand but want to get counted as a 'case' anyway.

it's not just madness, it is criminal what is being done to this country.

Graham · 25-03-2021 12:33pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

If you are going to make a decision that has a such a cost associated with it, would you not want to know what the benefits of that decision are?

We reduce the spread of Coronavirus.

seamusk84 · 25-03-2021 12:35pm

Deleted User wrote: »

If EU had vaccinated the same proportion of the population as the US, which they would be not too far off if we blocked all exports like the US, 75% of all vaccines produced would have gone to the 10% of the world population who live in the US, UK and EU. As it is its 47%, with the EU so far getting 13% of the worlds supply of vaccines to just 5.5% of the worlds population who live in the EU. That's a great world to live in isn't it.

The EU is not doing bad, considering from April we will be getting enough vaccines for 20% of the population per month.

An analogy - the Audi will get us there well before most. So a couple of people have a Ferrari, great for them, most are trying to make the trip on foot. At least the Audi may be able to give a few a lift part of the way

Excellent analogy there. Will keep that one in the nag for when meeting friends over the weekend.....In the park for exercise of course, one friend at a time!

Quantum Erasure · 25-03-2021 12:40pm

I think I'm slowly going mad, Ted

LameBeaver · 25-03-2021 12:47pm

retro:electro wrote: »

I had to drop my niece to school this morning as my sister had an appointment. It was the first time I’d witnessed first hand the ridiculous carry on outside. She’s senior infants so I was allowed accompany her to the door but the older years had to line up in separate lines outside, a few feet apart, no turning around talking, in the pissing fcuking rain waiting for the door to open. Eventually the teacher opened the door and roared at them all to come in one at a time as she hosed them all down with sanitiser. Poor things looked absolutely miserable, hoods up to try and keep themselves dry. What is the point in all of that malarkey when they’ll all be in beside each other in five seconds flat. Pure and utter nonsense pageantry

So the teacher "roared" at the kids to come in one at a time and then "hosed" them with sanitiser? Like with a garden hose ? Err... I think not. Hyperbole alert.

25-03-2021 12:49pm

retro:electro wrote: »

I had to drop my niece to school this morning as my sister had an appointment. It was the first time I’d witnessed first hand the ridiculous carry on outside. She’s senior infants so I was allowed accompany her to the door but the older years had to line up in separate lines outside, a few feet apart, no turning around talking, in the pissing fcuking rain waiting for the door to open. Eventually the teacher opened the door and roared at them all to come in one at a time as she hosed them all down with sanitiser. Poor things looked absolutely miserable, hoods up to try and keep themselves dry. What is the point in all of that malarkey when they’ll all be in beside each other in five seconds flat. Pure and utter nonsense pageantry

I think that's down to the school leadership not policy. Nothing like that in our school. Doors are open 10 minutes before class. Kids walk in at that point. Sanitiser at the door. The juniors and seniors have direct access from outside to their classroom so dont even need to enter that main building making it a bit easier to manage

25-03-2021 12:51pm

seamusk84 wrote: »

Excellent analogy there. Will keep that one in the nag for when meeting friends over the weekend.....In the park for exercise of course, one friend at a time!

India have a train, but a currently trying to beat everyone form outside India off the roof as its already jam packed with their own people

LameBeaver · 25-03-2021 12:53pm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I didn't say otherwise. I just said newstalk are the worst for it in Ireland.

Or from their viewpoint the best.

LameBeaver · 25-03-2021 12:55pm

Graham wrote: »

We reduce the spread of Coronavirus.

But according to some it`s "only a mild virus".

retro:electro · 25-03-2021 12:56pm

LameBeaver wrote: »

So the teacher "roared" at the kids to come in one at a time and then "hosed" them with sanitiser? Like with a garden hose ? Err... I think not. Hyperbole alert.

I don’t give a shlte really if you think I’m being hyperbolic. The whole thing is ridiculous

Renault 5 · 25-03-2021 1:01pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

I think I'm slowly going mad, Ted

im fine

LameBeaver · 25-03-2021 1:05pm

retro:electro wrote: »

I don’t give a shlte really if you think I’m being hyperbolic. The whole thing is ridiculous

As was your embellished story. Unless you have evidence to back it up.

Galwayhurl · 25-03-2021 1:10pm

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

The Construction restrictions are, in my biased opinion, the least effective and most economically damaging measure of all.

There are approx 57k construction sector workers on PUP at the moment.

The construction of private housing and commercial office projects has been on pause for 11 weeks now.

The sector accounted for just 0.6% of outbreaks in the period Sep-Dec 2020.

It is almost unfathomable that we are here now with the clocks about to go forward and still there is doubt about reopening on April 5th.

Somehow allowing the building of houses and other "non-essential" projects has been linked to keeping Schools open, relaxing the 5km limit, access to sports training, etc.

No other country has made such a ludicrous distinction.

A building site is a workplace.
A workplace that requires physical attendance.
A workplace that does not involve interaction with the public.

A roof over your head is about the most essential need there is but we have managed to put a huge barrier in front of it this year.

Totally agree.

In the last 48 hours I have noticed more than 10 new build developments on Daft increase their prices or change the prices to "Price On Application" which means an increase as well.

The demand for housing is huge and prices are going to sky rocket this year due to us falling behind on construction. It needs to open up now.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings