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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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    #122
    timmyntc
    Registered Users Posts: 6,808 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Corby Trouser Press wrote: »
    The Construction restrictions are, in my biased opinion, the least effective and most economically damaging measure of all.

    There are approx 57k construction sector workers on PUP at the moment.

    The construction of private housing and commercial office projects has been on pause for 11 weeks now.

    The sector accounted for just 0.6% of outbreaks in the period Sep-Dec 2020.

    It is almost unfathomable that we are here now with the clocks about to go forward and still there is doubt about reopening on April 5th.

    Somehow allowing the building of houses and other "non-essential" projects has been linked to keeping Schools open, relaxing the 5km limit, access to sports training, etc.

    No other country has made such a ludicrous distinction.

    A building site is a workplace.
    A workplace that requires physical attendance.
    A workplace that does not involve interaction with the public.

    A roof over your head is about the most essential need there is but we have managed to put a huge barrier in front of it this year.

    Construction is more important than schools being open.
    You can catch up on education, but you cant catch up on construction. Either you spend time building or you dont, you cant make up for lost building time.

    We are permanently thousands of houses behind schedule and will never catch up.


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    #123
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What has got the human race to where it is is not just genes, it is shared knowledge. No individual can hold all the knowledge required to make "common sense" judgements on the myriad of complex issues that make up an advanced society. That's why we have specialists.

    Common senses is only common sense if you have the tools required to make that judgement. With common sense only the world is flat

    nobody said otherwise. The point was clearly made.
    experts are great but people should not paralysed by inaction waiting on them nor defer to their advice without question. We have a large cult of "science" (which is the absolute antithesis of science btw) now that think cos some expert says something we should follow without question or weighing up the consequences of said action. That's why we are in this mess.

    The biggest problem at the moment , it's no longer advice but diktat and I object in the strongest possible terms to that.


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    #124
    [Deleted User]
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    Corby Trouser Press wrote: »
    A roof over your head is about the most essential need there is but we have managed to put a huge barrier in front of it this year.

    Mmmm. The cynical part of me is left to wonder what crisis the lockdown-fanatic media will be focused on for their ad revenue post-Covid.


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    #125
    [Deleted User]
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    ypres5 wrote: »
    Just saw now that one quarter of the us population have been given their first dose of the covid vaccine. The eu need to pick up the pace because between america and britain we're going to get left behind

    If EU had vaccinated the same proportion of the population as the US, which they would be not too far off if we blocked all exports like the US, 75% of all vaccines produced would have gone to the 10% of the world population who live in the US, UK and EU. As it is its 47%, with the EU so far getting 13% of the worlds supply of vaccines to just 5.5% of the worlds population who live in the EU. That's a great world to live in isn't it.

    The EU is not doing bad, considering from April we will be getting enough vaccines for 20% of the population per month.

    An analogy - the Audi will get us there well before most. So a couple of people have a Ferrari, great for them, most are trying to make the trip on foot. At least the Audi may be able to give a few a lift part of the way


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    #126
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,268 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    An analogy - the Audi will get us there well before most. So a couple of people have a Ferrari, great for them, most are trying to make the trip on foot. At least the Audi may be able to give a few a lift part of the way

    Ireland’s old Bedford from Tralee is trundling along just as good


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    #127
    [Deleted User]
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    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Ireland’s old Bedford from Tralee is trundling along just as good

    Ahead of Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands....


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    #128
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,268 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ahead of Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands....

    But you must remember they left lockdown in May 2020

    The vaccine is not their key to normality

    It’s our only hope


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    #129
    BlaktainPicard
    Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭BlaktainPicard


    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

    EU pathetic progress in vaccinations, moving at less then 2% a week, christ we will be in the same sh*t restrictions this day a year from now ..


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    #130
    [Deleted User]
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    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    But you must remember they left lockdown in May 2020

    The vaccine is not their key to normality

    It’s our only hope

    What? All of those countries are very high on your favourite stringency index, with Italy at the same level as us. Of course vaccines are their way out

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table


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    #131
    darem93
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭darem93


    BlaktainPicard wrote: »
    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

    EU pathetic progress in vaccinations, moving at less then 2% a week, christ we will be in the same sh*t restrictions this day a year from now ..
    The "ramp up" is coming soon, we promise!!


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    #132
    [Deleted User]
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    BlaktainPicard wrote: »
    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

    EU pathetic progress in vaccinations, moving at less then 2% a week, christ we will be in the same sh*t restrictions this day a year from now ..

    The trope is tedious in the extreme - its 20% per month from April


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    #133
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Deleted User wrote: »
    With common sense only the world is flat

    Jesus raind, you took a bit of a gamble bringing that up in this thread


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    #134
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    I gave up listening to Irish radio about 6 years ago.

    I realized that most current affairs programming was not about informing you on certain topics, it was specifically designed around triggering people to get either outraged or frightened.

    I used to spend over 3 hours a day commuting and it's not healthy to be fed that ****e as you engage in an already stressful activity, like driving through Dublin traffic.

    Switched to podcasts and audio books and the only radio I listed to in BBC. - it's far better for your mental health.

    Newstalk has become by far the worst for it (Joe Duffy excepted).

    Step 1: Presenter states something phrased in a way that will get people riled up.

    Step 2: "Text us, call us, tweet us".

    Step 3: Profit.


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    #135
    LameBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭LameBeaver


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    But you must remember they left lockdown in May 2020

    The vaccine is not their key to normality

    It’s our only hope

    And went back into it several times since then.


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    #136
    LameBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭LameBeaver


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Newstalk has become by far the worst for it (Joe Duffy excepted).

    Step 1: Presenter states something phrased in a way that will get people riled up.

    Step 2: "Text us, call us, tweet us".

    Step 3: Profit.

    As do stations the whole world over or do you believe it`s just an Irish thing?


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    #137
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    LameBeaver wrote: »
    As do stations the whole world over or do you believe it`s just an Irish thing?

    I didn't say otherwise. I just said newstalk are the worst for it in Ireland.


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    #138
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    I had to drop my niece to school this morning as my sister had an appointment. It was the first time I’d witnessed first hand the ridiculous carry on outside. She’s senior infants so I was allowed accompany her to the door but the older years had to line up in separate lines outside, a few feet apart, no turning around talking, in the pissing fcuking rain waiting for the door to open. Eventually the teacher opened the door and roared at them all to come in one at a time as she hosed them all down with sanitiser. Poor things looked absolutely miserable, hoods up to try and keep themselves dry. What is the point in all of that malarkey when they’ll all be in beside each other in five seconds flat. Pure and utter nonsense pageantry


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    #139
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,225 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Corby Trouser Press wrote: »
    The Construction restrictions are, in my biased opinion, the least effective and most economically damaging measure of all.

    There are approx 57k construction sector workers on PUP at the moment.

    The construction of private housing and commercial office projects has been on pause for 11 weeks now.

    The sector accounted for just 0.6% of outbreaks in the period Sep-Dec 2020.

    It is almost unfathomable that we are here now with the clocks about to go forward and still there is doubt about reopening on April 5th.

    Somehow allowing the building of houses and other "non-essential" projects has been linked to keeping Schools open, relaxing the 5km limit, access to sports training, etc.

    No other country has made such a ludicrous distinction.

    A building site is a workplace.
    A workplace that requires physical attendance.
    A workplace that does not involve interaction with the public.

    A roof over your head is about the most essential need there is but we have managed to put a huge barrier in front of it this year.

    What makes me most angry is the lack of accountability or even logic underpinning these decisions.

    If you are going to make a decision that has a such a cost associated with it, would you not want to know what the benefits of that decision are?

    We know there is an economic cost associated with the sheer numbers of construction workers claiming the PUP, we know there is a knock-on effect in delay to completion times. There is even a social element as once upon a time, availability of housing and adequate infrastructure where 'hot-button' topics of the electorate and politicians.

    Given all the above, what are we gaining by closing construction, how many less cases, how many less hospitalizations or deaths? Does anyone know? Has anyone in power even bothered to ask these questions?

    It is scary to see the complete breakdown in logic associated with Covid, a virus so mild that we have now got pop-up centers to accommodate the people who feel absolutely grand but want to get counted as a 'case' anyway.

    it's not just madness, it is criminal what is being done to this country.


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    #140
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    If you are going to make a decision that has a such a cost associated with it, would you not want to know what the benefits of that decision are?

    We reduce the spread of Coronavirus.


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    #141
    seamusk84
    Registered Users Posts: 880 ✭✭✭seamusk84


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If EU had vaccinated the same proportion of the population as the US, which they would be not too far off if we blocked all exports like the US, 75% of all vaccines produced would have gone to the 10% of the world population who live in the US, UK and EU. As it is its 47%, with the EU so far getting 13% of the worlds supply of vaccines to just 5.5% of the worlds population who live in the EU. That's a great world to live in isn't it.

    The EU is not doing bad, considering from April we will be getting enough vaccines for 20% of the population per month.

    An analogy - the Audi will get us there well before most. So a couple of people have a Ferrari, great for them, most are trying to make the trip on foot. At least the Audi may be able to give a few a lift part of the way

    Excellent analogy there. Will keep that one in the nag for when meeting friends over the weekend.....In the park for exercise of course, one friend at a time!


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    #142
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,170 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I think I'm slowly going mad, Ted


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    #143
    LameBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭LameBeaver


    retro:electro wrote: »
    I had to drop my niece to school this morning as my sister had an appointment. It was the first time I’d witnessed first hand the ridiculous carry on outside. She’s senior infants so I was allowed accompany her to the door but the older years had to line up in separate lines outside, a few feet apart, no turning around talking, in the pissing fcuking rain waiting for the door to open. Eventually the teacher opened the door and roared at them all to come in one at a time as she hosed them all down with sanitiser. Poor things looked absolutely miserable, hoods up to try and keep themselves dry. What is the point in all of that malarkey when they’ll all be in beside each other in five seconds flat. Pure and utter nonsense pageantry

    So the teacher "roared" at the kids to come in one at a time and then "hosed" them with sanitiser? Like with a garden hose ? Err... I think not. Hyperbole alert.


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    #144
    [Deleted User]
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    retro:electro wrote: »
    I had to drop my niece to school this morning as my sister had an appointment. It was the first time I’d witnessed first hand the ridiculous carry on outside. She’s senior infants so I was allowed accompany her to the door but the older years had to line up in separate lines outside, a few feet apart, no turning around talking, in the pissing fcuking rain waiting for the door to open. Eventually the teacher opened the door and roared at them all to come in one at a time as she hosed them all down with sanitiser. Poor things looked absolutely miserable, hoods up to try and keep themselves dry. What is the point in all of that malarkey when they’ll all be in beside each other in five seconds flat. Pure and utter nonsense pageantry

    I think that's down to the school leadership not policy. Nothing like that in our school. Doors are open 10 minutes before class. Kids walk in at that point. Sanitiser at the door. The juniors and seniors have direct access from outside to their classroom so dont even need to enter that main building making it a bit easier to manage


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    #145
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    seamusk84 wrote: »
    Excellent analogy there. Will keep that one in the nag for when meeting friends over the weekend.....In the park for exercise of course, one friend at a time!

    India have a train, but a currently trying to beat everyone form outside India off the roof as its already jam packed with their own people


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    #146
    LameBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭LameBeaver


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I didn't say otherwise. I just said newstalk are the worst for it in Ireland.

    Or from their viewpoint the best.


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    #147
    LameBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭LameBeaver


    Graham wrote: »
    We reduce the spread of Coronavirus.

    But according to some it`s "only a mild virus".


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    #148
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    LameBeaver wrote: »
    So the teacher "roared" at the kids to come in one at a time and then "hosed" them with sanitiser? Like with a garden hose ? Err... I think not. Hyperbole alert.

    I don’t give a shlte really if you think I’m being hyperbolic. The whole thing is ridiculous


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    #149
    Renault 5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Renault 5


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    I think I'm slowly going mad, Ted

    im fine

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    #150
    LameBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭LameBeaver


    retro:electro wrote: »
    I don’t give a shlte really if you think I’m being hyperbolic. The whole thing is ridiculous

    As was your embellished story. Unless you have evidence to back it up.


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    #151
    Galwayhurl
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Galwayhurl


    Corby Trouser Press wrote: »
    The Construction restrictions are, in my biased opinion, the least effective and most economically damaging measure of all.

    There are approx 57k construction sector workers on PUP at the moment.

    The construction of private housing and commercial office projects has been on pause for 11 weeks now.

    The sector accounted for just 0.6% of outbreaks in the period Sep-Dec 2020.

    It is almost unfathomable that we are here now with the clocks about to go forward and still there is doubt about reopening on April 5th.

    Somehow allowing the building of houses and other "non-essential" projects has been linked to keeping Schools open, relaxing the 5km limit, access to sports training, etc.

    No other country has made such a ludicrous distinction.

    A building site is a workplace.
    A workplace that requires physical attendance.
    A workplace that does not involve interaction with the public.

    A roof over your head is about the most essential need there is but we have managed to put a huge barrier in front of it this year.

    Totally agree.

    In the last 48 hours I have noticed more than 10 new build developments on Daft increase their prices or change the prices to "Price On Application" which means an increase as well.

    The demand for housing is huge and prices are going to sky rocket this year due to us falling behind on construction. It needs to open up now.


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