Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking charges

drunkmonkey · 08-07-2019 1:44pm

Cody montana wrote: »

What the hell has that to do with anything?

There using the musings of a trump hating democratic school kid to imply the president raped 12 and 13 year olds repeatedly.
Paper never refused ink, democrats just trying every dirty trick in the book. Why did she wait until he was running for president, I think she a liar. We'll find out at some stage I presume. That's 2 author saying her case matches some articles is pure bull, of course it matches seen as she probably read them.

ohnonotgmail · 08-07-2019 1:47pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your not getting that Trump is part of the prosecutions case and was thanked public on TV for his assistance, he's not on the defence, he already gave information he had a few years ago when they were trying to take Epstein down. That information he gave may be revealed in these documents, I'm not sure.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There using the musings of a trump hating democratic school kid to imply the president raped 12 and 13 year olds repeatedly.
Paper never refused ink, democrats just trying every dirty trick in the book. Why did she wait until he was president, I think she a liar. We'll find out at some stage I presume. That's 2 author saying her case matches some articles is pure bull, of course it matches seen as she probably read them.

so you haven't even read it but you already assume she is a liar?

drunkmonkey · 08-07-2019 1:47pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

these documents relate to cases filed against trump AFTER epsteins sweetheart deal.

Yes. That's why I think the dirty democrats chanced their arm and nothing came of it. I've no doubt Hillary had a fist in it somewhere.
On the other hand we have Trump sitting down with women who claimed they were raped by Clinton and nobody cares except Donald.

Cody montana · 08-07-2019 1:47pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There using the musings of a trump hating democratic school kid to imply the president raped 12 and 13 year olds repeatedly.
Paper never refused ink, democrats just trying every dirty trick in the book. Why did she wait until he was president, I think she a liar. We'll find out at some stage I presume. That's 2 author saying her case matches some articles is pure bull, of course it matches seen as she probably read them.

I believe her.
Trump already admitted on tape to groping woman.
Hopefully all will be revealed.

James Brown · 08-07-2019 1:48pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Remember he was an acquaintance of Trrump, Prince Andrew and others.

Prince Andrew has a shady previous on same. It was buried.

Cody montana · 08-07-2019 1:49pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so you haven't even read it but you already assume she is a liar?

Talk about double standards.

Penn · 08-07-2019 1:49pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Why did she wait until he was president

She didn't. He wasn't President when she filed the charges.

BorneTobyWilde · 08-07-2019 1:50pm

This whole episode had the potential to expose both high profile Democrats and Republicans, from Clinton to Trump. Who is responsible for the arrest of Epstein? Who ever it is, he's going rouge. Too many people with a lot to lose, he'll be put in his box very fast I'd imagine. This will go no where.

ohnonotgmail · 08-07-2019 1:51pm

Cody montana wrote: »

Talk about double standards.

what double standard would that be? I read it before posting. did you read it before responding?

drunkmonkey · 08-07-2019 1:52pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so you haven't even read it but you already assume she is a liar?

Based on what I did read of it yes I think she's a liar it's opportunistic timing that suited Hillary's campaign much like Blasey Ford.

drunkmonkey · 08-07-2019 1:54pm

Cody montana wrote: »

I believe her.
Trump already admitted on tape to groping woman.
Hopefully all will be revealed.

You mean grab her by the pussy while chatting to other blokes. Burn him at the stake, sweet Jesus have you never had a private conversation with other men that's assuming you are one. Women are well able to chat about guys too.

Cheerful Spring2 · 08-07-2019 1:55pm

auspicious wrote: »

So all those nut job conspiracy theorists raving about pizzagate a couple of years back were entirely wrong...?

Nothing new here, these kind of stories i read years ago on conspiracy forums. Allegations there was sex trafficking rings for the rich and famous. I not one bit shocked by this at all..Of course the Skeptics attacked people online for talking about it and were saying it all unfounded conspiracy junk.

Pizzagate is a separate story to this. There was odd messages found in John Podesta leaked emails, and some people believe the messages contained coded messages about child molestion and human trafficking?

I read some of those messages in the Podesta emails and they are definately odd and weird and out of place and never fully explained satifactory. It was then alleged John Podesta and others raped young underage kids at a Pizza place in Washington DC, this is unproven allegation and no evidence found.

We still need to separate the two stories from each other though.

Still there is undeniable facts- Bill Clinton and John Podesta are close friends and allegations exist both men were involved in underrage sex rings. We have to wait and see how this plays out.

BorneTobyWilde · 08-07-2019 1:58pm

https://www.aviloop.com/

What part will she play in all this. She was 18 at the time and part of Epstein's circle, she took part in his sex sessions with teen girls, having lesbian sex with them and using strap ons, on them ,as Epstein watched on.
She went on to great things , no doubt with Epstein backing her up for her silence in return.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 08-07-2019 1:59pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

This whole episode had the potential to expose both high profile Democrats and Republicans, from Clinton to Trump. Who is responsible for the arrest of Epstein? Who ever it is, he's going rouge. Too many people with a lot to lose, he'll be put in his box very fast I'd imagine. This will go no where.

Maybe. But a second cover up will make more news. There will be public pressure this time.

Harvey Weinstein · 08-07-2019 1:59pm

Epstein supposedly got the sweetheart deal because he provided information to the FBI, which was headed by Robert Mueller at the time.
https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/1148085376927485952

Mueller was also the man who let David Asimov (son of sic fi author Isaac) walk after he was caught with the largest collection of child pornography in California history.

Harvey Weinstein · 08-07-2019 2:03pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Nothing new here, these kind of stories i read years ago on conspiracy forums. Allegations there was sex trafficking rings for the rich and famous. I not one bit shocked by this at all..Of course the Skeptics attacked people online for talking about it and were saying it all unfounded conspiracy junk.

Pizzagate is a separate story to this. There was odd messages found in John Podesta leaked emails, and some people believe the messages contained coded messages about child molestion and human trafficking?

I read some of those messages in the Podesta emails and they are definately odd and weird and out of place and never fully explained satifactory. It was then alleged John Podesta and others raped young underage kids at a Pizza place in Washington DC, this is unproven allegation and no evidence found.

We still need to separate the two stories from each other though.

Still there is undeniable facts- Bill Clinton and John Podesta are close friends and allegations exist both men were involved in underrage sex rings. We have to wait and see how this plays out.

If you really look into Pizzagate then it becomes obvious that there seems to be something to it.
Most people (the types who dismiss it) rely on second hand information from liberal media outlets and thus don't really know anything about it.

Cody montana · 08-07-2019 2:21pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You mean grab her by the pussy while chatting to other blokes. Burn him at the stake, sweet Jesus have you never had a private conversation with other men that's assuming you are one. Women are well able to chat about guys too.

That’s assault.
I’ve never in my life heard other men boasting of that.
Different circles perhaps.

mcmoustache · 08-07-2019 2:34pm

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

If you really look into Pizzagate then it becomes obvious that there seems to be something to it.
Most people (the types who dismiss it) rely on second hand information from liberal media outlets and thus don't really know anything about it.

Plenty of idiots have said exactly those words - "If you look into it then it becomes obvious that there's something there".

If you mean, that elites have been diddling kids for years, then sure. That sort of thing has happened and been reported.

If you mean the actual claims of actual Pizzagate, then that turned out to be horse-shít and most of its marks have moved on to QAnon at this stage. The central claim was that diddling was going on in the basement of a pizza restaurant that didn't have a basement. If that doesn't raise a red flag for you, I don't know what to say.

Harvey Weinstein · 08-07-2019 2:39pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

Plenty of idiots have said exactly those words - "If you look into it then it becomes obvious that there's something there".

If you mean, that elites have been diddling kids for years, then sure. That sort of thing has happened and been reported.

If you mean the actual claims of actual Pizzagate, then that turned out to be horse-shít and most of its marks have moved on to QAnon at this stage. The central claim was that diddling was going on in the basement of a pizza restaurant that didn't have a basement. If that doesn't raise a red flag for you, I don't know what to say.

With all due respect you're wrong if you think that the central claim was the pizza parlour basement (which did exist, confirmed by the owner previous to his claim that it didn't)
That was just a tiny part of the whole thing. The reason it was called Pizzagate is because of the claim that 'Pizza' was a code for a children.
Something which was confirmed recently when a tech writer called Dr Pizza' was arrested for attempting to procure a child for sex.
He called himself this since 1999 and made numerous references online to pizza which can be read as children.

Also this Epstein case has many ties to Pizzagate as Ghisaline Maxwell (Son of Robert) is a key figure in PGate and is also suspected as being chief 'procurer' of underage girls for Epstein.

rireland · 08-07-2019 2:43pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You mean grab her by the pussy while chatting to other blokes. Burn him at the stake, sweet Jesus have you never had a private conversation with other men that's assuming you are one. Women are well able to chat about guys too.

I was watching an episode of Friends at the weekend. Joey was talking about how his housemate was going to bring girls over and then he mentioned how they were going to be drunk as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5YckMkwmm4&t=242s

Later in the episode, he and Ross were talking about the girls and Ross said stop talking about them like they were objects. Then he said "just kidding" and they both laughed.

It was different times back then.

drunkmonkey · 08-07-2019 2:44pm

Cody montana wrote: »

That’s assault.
I’ve never in my life heard other men boasting of that.
Different circles perhaps.

Your a man and never in your entire life the whole way through school, work, retirement have you ever heard any crude/boisterous talk about women or men if your a woman. I'm going to assume you've never seen Eddie Murphy or Tommy Tiernan either.
Not even different circles, different planet.
I took it for what it was, locker room talk. Don't fall off that horse.
You do know he was kissing her tits when he grabbed her, that's allowed.

Cheerful Spring2 · 08-07-2019 2:50pm

Just released online.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6184408-U-S-v-Jeffrey-Epstein-Indictment.html

peddlelies · 08-07-2019 3:01pm

Nothing in it names wise.

drunkmonkey · 08-07-2019 3:07pm

peddlelies wrote: »

Nothing in it names wise.

That'll come when or if the previous case documents are unsealed. The deal that was done was nobody mentioned in the previous case could be prosecuted retrospectively for the 30yrs before the case. That might still stand.

Stop moaning ffs · 08-07-2019 3:09pm

Is he going to name others to protect himself for a lesser sentence?

Harvey Weinstein · 08-07-2019 3:12pm

Its says he was conspiring with persons known and unknown so the names are there, just not revealed yet.

Cheerful Spring2 · 08-07-2019 3:13pm

peddlelies wrote: »

Nothing in it names wise.

It does say, Epstein Employees and Associates were involved in this conspiracy. There going to be others charged going by this.

And some of girls were as young as 14, it says so in the indictment.

The real unknown is why did he get off lightly in 2007? The We assuming here he was protected to stop him leaking names? These allegations are not new.

drunkmonkey · 08-07-2019 3:14pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Is he going to name others to protect himself for a lesser sentence?

I think he's looking at his natural life in prison anyway, guys like that might not last long in prison especially this one and the information he knows. No benefit to naming anyone he needs every friend on the outside possible.

Stop moaning ffs · 08-07-2019 3:17pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think he's looking at his natural life in prison anyway, guys like that might not last long in prison especially this one and the information he knows. No benefit to naming anyone he needs every friend on the outside possible.

So say trump is involved which is likely, will we see him pull strings for him in order to cover himself?

Cheerful Spring2 · 08-07-2019 3:24pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

So say trump is involved which is likely, will we see him pull strings for him in order to cover himself?

These crimes are allegedly to have occurred in New York. From what i gather the other crimes in 2007, are based in Florida. It would explain why there a new prosecution against him.These crimes were know about in part in 2007.

There no evidence Trump involved.

Indictment is about a conspiracy involving Esptein, employees of his and associates ( could mean friends?)

drunkmonkey · 08-07-2019 3:25pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

So say trump is involved which is likely, will we see him pull strings for him in order to cover himself?

Yes he's involved, he gave information to help take him down. He may end up being a prosecution witness.

Pa ElGrande · 08-07-2019 3:28pm

Perhaps this is manoeuvring by the DNC to take the heat from the only "center left" candidate running in the Democrat party. i.e. You want to throw the ' paedo mud at our candidate, here is one for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sSy1ZhcsLg

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 08-07-2019 3:33pm

There’s no mention of the island. Therefore it looks like they are prosecuting only the employees of Epstein, not associates and not the visitors to the island.

drunkmonkey · 08-07-2019 3:40pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

There’s no mention of the island. Therefore it looks like they are prosecuting only the employees of Epstein, not associates and not the visitors to the island.

Can't touch the island I think. Read it somewhere.

pure.conya · 08-07-2019 3:46pm

volchitsa wrote: »

So you're grand with smearing Hillary Clinton for the alleged actions of her husband, but touchy about discussion of Trump's known friendship with Epstein, whom he himself described as being like himself in his fondness for women, especially younger ones.

Like since when does someone get sanctioned for their partner's crimes?

you think Hillary is an upstanding citizen and innocent victim in all this? she's been on the lolita express herself, the war criminal bint

Tokyo · 08-07-2019 3:55pm

pure.conya wrote: »

you think Hillary is an upstanding citizen and innocent victim in all this? she's been on the lolita express herself, the war criminal bint

Mod: Really? Please don't post in this thread again.

BorneTobyWilde · 08-07-2019 4:20pm

Seems they are going after his wealth too? Seizing his properties ? Or did I read that wrong...

Boggles · 08-07-2019 4:32pm

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Perhaps this is manoeuvring by the DNC to

The head prosecutor is a republican who was put in place by Trumps administration.

Maybe just maybe they have arrested a serial sex offender and they want him to pay for his crimes.

No tinfoil needed.

Cheerful Spring2 · 08-07-2019 4:41pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Seems they are going after his wealth too? Seizing his properties ? Or did I read that wrong...

Correct. They found child pornography at his home. There going to take his plane and homes linked with this case. There going to be searching the houses for more hidden stuff.

Eric Cartman · 08-07-2019 4:45pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Links to court documents and video testimoney are here.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1068605537246425088.html

Court documents filed april 2016 , why not literally any year between 1994 and the year he was running for president.

Also damages asks for 100 million dollars and filed in a district court,

A complete game, you file the documents, get them made public record and when it comes round the judge will tell the lawyer oresent it has to be re-filed in a higher court and strike it out.

This is what you do when you want to make up crap about somebody stateside, nobody will ever be heard so nobody done for perjury.

ohnonotgmail · 08-07-2019 5:00pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Court documents filed april 2016 , why not literally any year between 1994 and the year he was running for president.

Also damages asks for 100 million dollars and filed in a district court,

A complete game, you file the documents, get them made public record and when it comes round the judge will tell the lawyer oresent it has to be re-filed in a higher court and strike it out.

This is what you do when you want to make up crap about somebody stateside, nobody will ever be heard so nobody done for perjury.

sure thing bud.

secondrowgal · 08-07-2019 5:08pm

I have one question for the Trump apologisers and supporters on here:

If you had a 13 year old daughter, would you let her go to a one of Epstein's parties, and I mean without you or any family member? Yes or no answers only please.

Eric Cartman · 08-07-2019 5:20pm

secondrowgal wrote: »

I have one question for the Trump apologisers and supporters on here:

If you had a 13 year old daughter, would you let her go to a one of Epstein's parties, and I mean without you or any family member? Yes or no answers only please.

Dont see what this has to do with trump (as he banned epstein from mar-a-lago for this behaviour )but absolutely not. Sadly id say many parents were more interested in an epstein payoff.

Eric Cartman · 08-07-2019 5:21pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

sure thing bud.

Find fault in it so, why wait till 2016, why ask for a 100 million dollar award and file in a court that cant give you that. Surely a half competent lawyer would be able to tell you itll be thrown out...

ohnonotgmail · 08-07-2019 5:23pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Find fault in it so, why wait till 2016, why ask for a 100 million dollar award and file in a court that cant give you that. Surely a half competent lawyer would be able to tell you itll be thrown out...

so they are all lying then? all of them out to get your hero trump?

Eric Cartman · 08-07-2019 5:24pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so they are all lying then? all of them out to get your hero trump?

Nobody said that. Nobody said he’s my hero, just if this epstein trump story is true, trumps actions against epstein and this shambles of a court filing really arent making sense. Im not commenting on any other case as this is an epstein thread

drunkmonkey · 08-07-2019 5:27pm

secondrowgal wrote: »

I have one question for the Trump apologisers and supporters on here:

If you had a 13 year old daughter, would you let her go to a one of Epstein's parties, and I mean without you or any family member? Yes or no answers only please.

Of course it can only be a yes, any trump supporter would. What an odd question I assumed you already knew Trump supporter = Peso rapist without needing to ask.

Will you be taking your daughter over to Bill and Hillary's for afternoon Tea.

I don't know what you were trying to prove with your question only that you've been brainwashed by the Irish media.

ohnonotgmail · 08-07-2019 5:28pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Nobody said that. Nobody said he’s my hero, just if this epstein trump story is true, trumps actions against epstein and this shambles of a court filing really arent making sense. Im not commenting on any other case as this is an epstein thread

but you have commented on it. YOu accused her of lying. Are you accusing her witnesses of lying, including somebody who worked for epstein recruiting girls?

Eric Cartman · 08-07-2019 5:31pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

but you have commented on it. YOu accused her of lying. Are you accusing her witnesses of lying, including somebody who worked for epstein recruiting girls?

Im accusing the democrats or somebody else with an interest in linking trump to epstein offered money to somebody to put their name to a court filing with the promise that theyd never have to get to the court and couldnt be done for perjury because it would never be heard and you cant be done for libel for a court filing.

If the accuser and witness really wanted him done it would have been filed correctly or even refiled correctly after all this time.

Cody montana · 08-07-2019 5:43pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your a man and never in your entire life the whole way through school, work, retirement have you ever heard any crude/boisterous talk about women or men if your a woman. I'm going to assume you've never seen Eddie Murphy or Tommy Tiernan either.
Not even different circles, different planet.
I took it for what it was, locker room talk. Don't fall off that horse.
You do know he was kissing her tits when he grabbed her, that's allowed.

I repeat, it’s assault.

Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking charges

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