NCT discontinue lift inspections (now with places with working lifts)

Guy:Incognito · 29-01-2020 11:54pm

unkel wrote: »

What's the chance of hurt because of a lift failing vs the chance of hurt because of the unsafe cars that will now still drive around because the NCT hasn't taken them off the road?

Would you be willing to be the mechanic to risk your life on the odds?

They have a duty to their employees. Imagine if they are told of potential issues, then just go "ah it'll be grand, we'll get to it " and then someone is killed.

On the dangerous cars bit, god forbid people have to make sure their own cars arent dangerously defective for and extra couple of weeks longer than the 1 or 2 years between NCT's

Kevin Irving wrote: »

The fact that a tester could be killed by lift collapsing in no way excuses the closure and disruption to thousands of motorists.

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Would you keep working with a piece of equipment in your job if they told you it has the potential to fail and kill you but sure keep working away till they get it tested?

Guy:Incognito · 29-01-2020 11:58pm

alentejo wrote: »

I would be raging if I had to take another half day off work to get my car checked.

The NCT is open 7 days a week early till late.

All the hysterical reactions are bloody hilarious. Lets be perfectly honest here, the same will apply to this as does everything else here. You get stopped, the Gard asks whats the story, you tell them it was due to be tested till this came up, worst case, show them the booking, they tell you to go on and get it sorted as soon as you can.

Psychedelic Hedgehog · 30-01-2020 12:01am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

On the dangerous cars bit, god forbid people have to make sure their own cars arent dangerously defective for and extra couple of weeks longer than the 1 or 2 years between NCT's

I've a car booked in for next week. Official NCT expiry is end of March. It's been checked over by my local garage in preparation. Despite all of this, chances are it'll have to be driven without a valid NCT if an exemption isn't made soon, as I can't see this being fully resolved and backlog cleared in the near future.

michellie · 30-01-2020 12:02am

Lads it happened at half 4 this evening.

People need to chill out, im sure there will be proper procedures put in place tomorrow or during the week.

Atlantic Dawn · 30-01-2020 12:11am

michellie wrote: »

Lads it happened at half 4 this evening.

People need to chill out, im sure there will be proper procedures put in place tomorrow or during the week.

I'm sure Shane Ross will come up with a great solution :rolleyes:

greasepalm · 30-01-2020 12:13am

Excuse me boss any scrap metal you want taking away:eek::D:D:D:p

vicwatson · 30-01-2020 12:16am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Why not have bays built in, walk under, no risk as vehicle doesn't have to be lifted....

Because they check wheel movement

vicwatson · 30-01-2020 12:18am

michellie wrote: »

Lads it happened at half 4 this evening.

People need to chill out, im sure there will be proper procedures put in place tomorrow or during the week.

Proper procedure will not include compensating people for there time or their two extra trips to the centre and the costs involved, you can be sure of that

kippy · 30-01-2020 12:25am

Two cars due testing in next couple of months. Looking like minimum of four trips now to the centre to get them done.
Not really bothered about the legal aspect of it as I'd expect the RSA, Gardai and testers figure out how to approach it.

Atlantic Dawn · 30-01-2020 12:26am

Why can they just not follow the exemption that was given in NIRL for the very same issue, another state of the EU can do it, why can't we?

The Rape of Lucretia · 30-01-2020 12:28am

vicwatson wrote: »

Proper procedure will not include compensating people for there time or their two extra trips to the centre and the costs involved, you can be sure of that

Better off just not going until its sorted. Govt cant provide a testing service. So cant insist on people driving with valid certs.

The Rape of Lucretia · 30-01-2020 12:31am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why can they just not follow the exemption that was given in NIRL for the very same issue, another state of the EU can do it, why can't we?

They will. But NCT just trying to get a few more quid into the coffers until they are forced to close the doors until problem rectified and that can actually test cars again. It would be like buying a cinema ticket where you there is a soundtrack but nothing on the screen, but they say you can come back and see the picture without the sound another day - but you dont have to pay the second time! Yay. Its a nonsense. They will be told what to do.

30-01-2020 12:32am

Surely the service provider has to be fined for this. If it's not their fault let them chase the providers of the lifts for costs.

elperello · 30-01-2020 12:33am

I'm not convinced that giving out a lot of "2nd division" NCT's is a good idea.
These NCT's would be devalued and make prospective purchasers wary of the cars.

Maybe they could just allow a dispensation to all until the backlog is cleared.
A voucher for a discount off your next test for those having to go twice would be a goodwill gesture but probably too much to hope for.

sligojoek · 30-01-2020 12:56am

At least we won't have another day of anorexia stories on Liveline.

Steve · 30-01-2020 1:01am

I'm sure Leo will sort it, current budget is 1.5 childrens hospitals, although that's not guaranteed, could rise to 3.

This is pure nuts.

greasepalm · 30-01-2020 1:08am

Steve wrote: »

I'm sure Leo will sort it, current budget is 1.5 childrens hospitals, although that's not guaranteed, could rise to 3.

This is pure nuts.

Was that nut from the broken ramp:D

Steve · 30-01-2020 1:10am

greasepalm wrote: »

Was that nut from the broken ramp:D

genuine lol...

kona · 30-01-2020 1:11am

Wonder what the designed working life of these lifts are?

wonski · 30-01-2020 1:15am

In fairness they had to make a call and further information about fails/Garda etc will follow.

There is no need to panic yet, the thing happened just today so don't expect everything being arranged for your convenience in a day or two.

It is major inconvenience, but it is outside of control of nct centre at this early stage.

They didn't buy these lifts from Ali express and the manufacturer and distributors will have to come up with a plan, too.

I am against exemption or letting cars pass the test without looking underneath.

3 months extension sounds more likely. You don't want all the scrap coming through the test undetected now from customer perspective

Just imagine all those recently failed cars getting a cert. Shady dealers dream come true scenario.

The Bishop Basher · 30-01-2020 1:23am

Totally understandable decision and I would expect any employer to do the same. Safety and well-being of employees is paramount.

That said I’m thankful I booked my retest for last week as it was a balljoint so had to go up on the ramp. I nearly left it till this week.

Would be a serious pain in the ass to go back a third time when you just want it over and done.

Wonder will they issue the new certs from the retest date or the original due date. Assume it’ll keep the original dates.

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 30-01-2020 2:42am

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30-01-2020 8:03am

Any word on the DOE? Is it affected?

littlevillage · 30-01-2020 8:25am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Any word on the DOE? Is it affected?

If memory serves me ... they don't have lifts in the DOE centers. They have pits. Soo probably not affected.

honda boi · 30-01-2020 8:40am

Been without a car for 2 weeks now.
Went to look at a car on Monday. Trader said he's going to nct for it.
Nct on that car was up at the end of October.
Now looks like that car won't be tested for months.
I'd hardly get away with the car having no nct since October if I get stopped in it!!

baldbear · 30-01-2020 8:58am

My NCT is booked for next Tuesday. Its a 2004 Corolla. It could fail on the first part of the NCT next week and then the second part when the lift issue is fixed. So I would be better off just rescheduling?

realdanbreen · 30-01-2020 9:25am

I heard a guy from the NCT on morning Ireland talking about the motorist having to provide proof that he has had his car inspected by a mechanic before submitting it for an NCT, what's that all about?:(

GhostyMcGhost · 30-01-2020 9:32am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why can they just not follow the exemption that was given in NIRL for the very same issue, another state of the EU can do it, why can't we?

Try that sentence again in 48 hours....

degsie · 30-01-2020 9:32am

NCT due tomorrow, should I ask for a reschedule in June/July when lifts are replaced? Not getting a cert anyway, so what's the point.

zepman · 30-01-2020 9:38am

realdanbreen wrote: »

I heard a guy from the NCT on morning Ireland talking about the motorist having to provide proof that he has had his car inspected by a mechanic before submitting it for an NCT, what's that all about?:(

Wasn't asked for anything like that last evening. Maybe it's to do with point 5 on the prep list https://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/Your-Vehicle-/Preparing-for-your-NCT-/?

The engine is in a fit state to be tested e.g.Cam belt/Timing belt. You may be asked to sign a disclaimer at the test centre.

coffeyt · 30-01-2020 9:46am

Anyone aware if lift is required to test lights, had my test the other day and it failed just on dipped headlights being off. I have them fixed now and due for retest for next Tuesday but no point in taking it in if they can't check the lights as that was the only issue.
Does anyone know if on retest they just check the problem area? Can anyone clarify?

beauf · 30-01-2020 9:51am

realdanbreen wrote: »

I heard a guy from the NCT on morning Ireland talking about the motorist having to provide proof that he has had his car inspected by a mechanic before submitting it for an NCT, what's that all about?:(

Didn't hear it, don't know the context. Youd have to give us more information.

Wanderer78 · 30-01-2020 9:53am

coffeyt wrote:

Anyone aware if lift is required to test lights, had my test the other day and it failed just on dipped headlights being off. I have them fixed now and due for retest for next Tuesday but no point in taking it in if they can't check the lights as that was the only issue. Does anyone know if on retest they just check the problem area? Can anyone clarify?

Surely that's just a visual, and not a full retest?

robbKer · 30-01-2020 9:56am

Does anyone know if the CVRT test (the commercial version of the NCT) is affected? I have a light goods van that need re-testing....

realdanbreen · 30-01-2020 9:57am

beauf wrote: »

Didn't hear it, don't know the context. Youd have to give us more information.

The NCT guy said that if you are stopped by the guards you have to be able to produce the partial report that the NCT are now issuing + a report -presumably from an authorised mechanic( which I presume to be a main dealer rip off merchant) showing that the car was inspected before going to the NCT. I don't like the sound of this..

degsie · 30-01-2020 10:01am

Anybody contact Joe Duffy yet? It's an absolute disgrace!

realdanbreen · 30-01-2020 10:04am

Just heard him, a Scottish guy, again there on the news. You have to be able to provide proof that your car was inspected before going for NCT, ?

cantwbr1 · 30-01-2020 10:04am

realdanbreen wrote: »

The NCT guy said that if you are stopped by the guards you have to be able to produce the partial report that the NCT are now issuing + a report -presumably from an authorised mechanic( which I presume to be a main dealer rip off merchant) showing that the car was inspected before going to the NCT. I don't like the sound of this..

I wouldn’t imagine that many mechanics (authorised, main dealer etc) would be too keen on that as I’m sure that legal liability would have to be assumed with certification

30-01-2020 10:07am

https://www.rsa.ie/en/Utility/News/2020/Statement-Issued-By-National-Car-Test-Service-NCT/

8. What will happen if people are stopped by the Gardai and they don’t have a valid NCT displayed because of this issue?

The RSA have made the Gardaí aware of the issue and is liaising with them on any potential issues arising. All vehicle owners are reminded that the roadworthiness of their vehicle is their responsibility at all times not just at the NCT.

Is this part what the guy would mean by having a document saying undercarriage has been inspected by someone else?

I’m not mechanically minded at all but does the NCT inspection check things that a vehicle owner would never see?

elperello · 30-01-2020 10:07am

realdanbreen wrote: »

The NCT guy said that if you are stopped by the guards you have to be able to produce the partial report that the NCT are now issuing + a report -presumably from an authorised mechanic( which I presume to be a main dealer rip off merchant) showing that the car was inspected before going to the NCT. I don't like the sound of this..

This is turning into a bit a farce.

In addition he said you should have the certificate for your previous test from 1 or 2 years ago.

Statements of clarification needed from AGS and RSA without delay.

30-01-2020 10:09am

realdanbreen wrote: »

Just heard him, a Scottish guy, again there on the news. You have to be able to provide proof that your car was inspected before going for NCT, ?

Did you catch his name? What news channel was he on?

realdanbreen · 30-01-2020 10:10am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Did you catch his name? What news channel was he on?

RTE radio 1 8.30am

michellie · 30-01-2020 10:11am

coffeyt wrote: »

Anyone aware if lift is required to test lights, had my test the other day and it failed just on dipped headlights being off. I have them fixed now and due for retest for next Tuesday but no point in taking it in if they can't check the lights as that was the only issue.
Does anyone know if on retest they just check the problem area? Can anyone clarify?

Headlight test doesn't need the lift. You will be fine

elperello · 30-01-2020 10:14am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Did you catch his name? What news channel was he on?

Henderson RTE1 Radio.

punisher5112 · 30-01-2020 10:26am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

https://www.rsa.ie/en/Utility/News/2020/Statement-Issued-By-National-Car-Test-Service-NCT/

Is this part what the guy would mean by having a document saying undercarriage has been inspected by someone else?

I’m not mechanically minded at all but does the NCT inspection check things that a vehicle owner would never see?

Yes of course they do that's the whole point of the test.

Suspension, major structural points, emissions, lights, tyres, brakes and discs and much more.

The normal car owner would never look at their brake discs never mind getting under the car.

30-01-2020 10:31am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Yes of course they do that's the whole point of the test.

Suspension, major structural points, emissions, lights, tyres, brakes and discs and much more.

The normal car owner would never look at their brake discs never mind getting under the car.

So vehicle owners do need to get and independent inspection and certification then as per responsibility of owner listed above?

zepman · 30-01-2020 10:46am

elperello wrote: »

This is turning into a bit a farce.

In addition he said you should have the certificate for your previous test from 1 or 2 years ago.

Statements of clarification needed from AGS and RSA without delay.

The wording suggests that it is not mandatory. From https://www.thejournal.ie/nct-test-stopped-4985849-Jan2020/

If someone is stopped by the gardaí and doesn’t have a full NCT certificate due to suspension of the full test, Henderson advised motorists to show a copy of the report that will be given to them at the NCT centre in lieu of the full certificate.

He also urged them to show evidence of having had the car prepared for the test at a repair garage prior to the NCT and their previous NCT cert if stopped by the gardaí

Surely, the NCT report from the partial test should be sufficient in these circumstances.

Having said that, I did prepare for my NCT (yesterday) by getting a full service done a couple of weeks ago. Would the service log sheet I received from the garage count as evidence of prep?

jeffk · 30-01-2020 10:48am

Herself in next thursday and has to take time off from work and then drive from Navan to Kells, so dont want to be doing that twice

Fired off an email to see, inbox probably full

beauf · 30-01-2020 10:50am

realdanbreen wrote: »

The NCT guy said that if you are stopped by the guards you have to be able to produce the partial report that the NCT are now issuing + a report -presumably from an authorised mechanic( which I presume to be a main dealer rip off merchant) showing that the car was inspected before going to the NCT. I don't like the sound of this..

There's two issues at play here.

One is the legal requirements which are are clear as mud so far. I expect we'll have clarification shorty.

But there is another conversation about the NCT not catching and not being responsible for defects beyond its remit.

The Nal · 30-01-2020 10:51am

Very Irish this

NCT discontinue lift inspections (now with places with working lifts)

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