Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

pah wrote: »

So they get a pass on poor writing because it will all make sense by the end? I expect my TV episodes to have a certain standard when I am paying to watch one every week.

While I am enjoying seeing Picard on TV again I just feel that by the end of the episodes so far that it's just not doing it for me overall.

Not what I'm saying. I see the first 3 as set up and serving that specific purpose. I can live with flaws in them and weaknesses in early episodes are inevitable in any show. From 4 onwards it needs to deliver a story and IMO it will be easier to judge what they've done to date.

I thought that was pretty good. It wasn't as good as the first episode but that is to be expected. Now it's time to start getting down to the nuts and bolts of the show.

While I really like Orla Brady's character they should dial back the Irishness just a small bit. I loved her row with Picard and her partner "You can take that one with you" I thought "Cheeky Feckers" was a bit much.
I did like the dressing down Picard got at Starfleet and thought it was deserved: After leaving Starfleet (No doubt kicking up a big stink on the way) and publicly admonishing them on TV he comes looking for a ship and then "graciously" says he'd be willing to be a captain. Thought it was quite arrogant and he got the reply he should have gotten.
I don't mind the swearing in the series. thought it was actually used better than in Discovery. In Discovery it was almost like a 2-year-old discovering a bad word and throwing it in randomly. Here it felt natural: "The f*cking HUBRIS!!!"
I am a little confused about the fact that there are so many non-Romulans on what is most likely their most secret operation: Retrofitting a Borg Cube and harvesting their technology.
Good to see the timeline being clarified (Mars attack 14 years earlier.)

How do people feel about them using our dating method rather than theirs? And did anyone think he called "Beverly" initially when he put on his comm badge? I was hoping he was going to take out his flute (Grow up people ) and start playing to calm himself when you saw him reach into the drawer.

So, I enjoyed that. Not as much as the pilot but I was expecting that so I am still pretty damn happy

FutureGuy wrote: »

I'm being picky here but the starfleet costume designers should be all shot. They look like they are bunch of newbie cosplayers.

Yeah, they all look a size too large! Though the admirals uniform seems to be a far better design. Perk of the job I guess.

Bandana boy wrote: »

I am still enjoying it
Loved the 5843 days since an assimilation sign

That's a little easter egg. It's 16+ years since an assimilation. That means the cube predates the attack on Mars, and perhaps goes back waay further.

AMKC wrote: »

I am sorry but any high ranking officer worth there rank is not going to curse over a stupid T.V interview unless it has just currupted there organisation

I do get where you're coming from, but they did set it up. "Broadcast to the whole galaxy" I think is what they said. Picard is a literal hero across the Federation, someone the populations revere and respect.
A negative word about Starfleet from him, broadcast in public, is huge kick in the face for everyone working in Starfleet.

As others say though, a certain element in that is Picard's own hubris. He expects the young receptionist at headquarters to know who he is. He expects to be able to rock up to Starfleet after 14 years and just ask for a ship & crew for a mission based on little or no evidence.

From the Admiral's perspective, Picard quit in a blaze of glory, went about sh1tting on Starfleet publically and then waltzed back in looking for a "lend" of a ship.

expectationlost wrote: »

we can't get the old crew back because they would say yes... or they would be too expensive

Cynic. I think his reasoning fit in there perfectly well.

Plus, a new series with the old crew would quite rightly be accused of being a lazy cash grab. I'm reminded of the Simpsons bit; "Star Trek 12: So Very Tired".

Goodshape wrote: »

I'd only wish – with the exact same dialogue – that it would have been either Janeway or Nechayev in the admirals uniform!

I imagine they're saving Janeway for something else. I don't know if Mulgrew has been involved at all, but Janeway comes across as the kind of Admiral who would have quit with Picard, and for the same reasons.

A little off topic but just realized the other day that The Next Generation season 1 is showing on Pick.
I was 15 watching it when it first aired and now I'm the same age as Patrick Stewart was in it. :eek:

seamus wrote: »

Originally Posted by expectationlost View Post
we can't get the old crew back because they would say yes... or they would be too expensive

............ Plus, a new series with the old crew would quite rightly be accused of being a lazy cash grab. I'm reminded of the Simpsons bit; "Star Trek 12: So Very Tired"........

Plus you would/will/have have the element who would/will/have say "Oh desperation. Look, they have to wheel all the rest of them out"

Mind you, I reckon they should ship O'Brien over from the Daystrom Institute: "Who's yer wan? Jaysus, the accent on her, wha?"

Sonics2k wrote: »

I think for the show, it makes far more sense they appear as guest spots, maybe once a season.

Anymore than that and it becomes Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Previous Generation.

Would still be better than Discovery

So, I'd like to see a map of the Quadrant. Wonder what the territory of the Romulan Free State is? Is the Empire still around?

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Plus you would/will/have have the element who would/will/have say "Oh desperation. Look, they have to wheel all the rest of them out"

Mind you, I reckon they should ship O'Brien over from the Daystrom Institute: "Who's yer wan? Jaysus, the accent on her, wha?"

When I heard cheeky feckers I thought I had switched onto Fair City by mistake!

Spear wrote: »

I reckon that maybe 50% of the episode seemed purely functional. And I suspect that's because I knew where the story was going, and that in turn is due to the ads spoiling far too much of it. Does anyone else think they'd have found the episode, or indeed the series as a whole, more enjoyable if they had gone into it completely blind?

The trailers showing so many of the guest star's really ruined a good deal of any "holy **** it's X" moments the season might have had, which is a real shame as Picard alone was more than enough to get fans onboard.


As for episode 2 itself, really liked it overall apart from the f-bomb which was just jarring and the Romulan super duper extra secret shadowy organization the previously established Romulan super secret shadowy Tal Shair are scared of crap!

Dr Bob wrote: »

'Romulan Free State '
ahhh well that explains why Laris gets to say feckers and have an Irish accent
( actually I'd love to know the in universe explanation for it )

I've been guessing that at least a sizeable amount of the 900,000,000 Romulans would be rescued in at least part of the Admiral Picard/Federation rescue operation.

Currently our entire planet has "70.8 million people around the world have been forced from home" so even if we only got 100,000,000 Romulans, I'd say many would've shared homes with the people of Earth.

With that in mind, I imagine many were taken in by the Irish. Plenty of cultural exchange possible there. It's not like all the Romulans would be stuck on logic like the Vulcans


Another possibility that came to mind was that maybe some went to the Mariposa colony.


Reason I'm more taken to the Ireland idea was the idea that it might lead to an appearance of O'Brien.