Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

john boye · 15-09-2020 12:21am

I see EI-CPG is currently showing on the ground on FR24. First time I've seen one of the A321ceos do anything since March. I'm guessing there's no chance of them returning any time soon, if at all?

goingnowhere · 15-09-2020 7:28am

Two of the A321ceo's have done test flights in recent days.

More space in the hold for freight so could be handy to avoid running extra flights

EchoIndia · 15-09-2020 8:00am

goingnowhere wrote: »

Two of the A321ceo's have done test flights in recent days.

More space in the hold for freight so could be handy to avoid running extra flights

Being prepared for long-term storage.

goingnowhere · 15-09-2020 8:24am

EI-CPG did not fly to LHR, EI-LRC did the honors as usual

donkey balls · 15-09-2020 10:16pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

It's hard to forget that behaviour and the last few weeks have shown a deliberate dragging of the heels so to speak which is seeing their own workforce suffer severely financially but also mentally.

It's utterly despicable.

That's something I would expect from a UK PLC not an Irish airline absolute shocking stuff, No doubt the mgmt members that came up with these ideas are long gone with a nice handshake of gold.

knockon · 22-09-2020 4:15pm

Will EI resume LAX route in Oct as planned? Trying to organise the return of a Senior to DUB - any info would be appreciated. My gut says no as US will be nowhere near a green list and the ban on EU citizens will be for some time.

Qprmeath · 22-09-2020 4:21pm

knockon wrote: »

Will EI resume LAX route in Oct as planned? Trying to organise the return of a Senior to DUB - any info would be appreciated. My gut says no as US will be nowhere near a green list and the ban on EU citizens will be for some time.

I’d say highly unlikely

Phen2206 · 22-09-2020 4:23pm

knockon wrote: »

Will EI resume LAX route in Oct as planned? Trying to organise the return of a Senior to DUB - any info would be appreciated. My gut says no as US will be nowhere near a green list and the ban on EU citizens will be for some time.

I can’t be 100% sure but I would be 99% that LAX won’t resume this side of Christmas. To my knowledge JFK BOS and ORD will be the only EI US destinations ex DUB this winter. As you say who knows when normal travel will be permitted between the EU and US, never mind passenger confidence to travel. Could the person in question travel to the east coast/Chicago and fly with EI from there?

Jack1985 · 22-09-2020 10:57pm

The only route coming back in the short-term at a severely reduced service level (3pw planned) is Toronto on the NEO. I don't see any other meaningful resumption of TA service until the EU/US relax travel restrictions between both, I don't see any movement on that until March at the earliest.

California Dreamer · 23-09-2020 6:25am

Any truth to the rumour that EI (and others) will move into T1 for the winter and they will shut down T2?

Bussywussy · 23-09-2020 9:44am

donkey balls wrote: »

No doubt the mgmt members that came up with these ideas are long gone with a nice handshake of gold.

Probably promoted

Tenger · 23-09-2020 9:59am

California Dreamer wrote: »

Any truth to the rumour that EI (and others) will move into T1 for the winter and they will shut down T2?

I do think closing off one of the terminals makes sense for the DAA, but EI need CBP in T2 for their US routes. Unless they are happy to have make thoseUS bound pax walk from T1 security along the link corridor to CBP area. (Not the worse transit in the World)
Havent been in T1 in a few months. Im guessing there are enough check-in desks that EI could take over for 3-4 month? They would require cameras to photograph the checked in bags for US pax.

Saw this posted elsewhere; The Aer Lingus booking/reservations system is 52 years old!
Back in the 70s it was cutting edge stuff and EI handled the reservations systems of at least 3 other European airlines (including SABENA)
They were also the larger handling agent at Heathrow for much of the 80s and 90s.

https://travelupdate.com/aer-lingus-reservations-computer/

duskyjoe · 23-09-2020 10:12am

California Dreamer wrote: »

Any truth to the rumour that EI (and others) will move into T1 for the winter and they will shut down T2?

I wouldn’t be surprised tbh. Look at Dub airport twitter feeds showing the place utterly deserted.

Avoation1091 · 23-09-2020 1:29pm

Does anyone know the situation with SNN? SNN - LHR is on sale from 19 Oct but will it actually resume that day? Some of the crew there are being put back on the roster according to RTE at the weekend.

joeysoap · 23-09-2020 1:56pm

I travelled up from the south a few weeks ago. Bus Eireann to the airport and BE from the airport was the eastiest route (and probably the safest with only one transfer). I used the ‘ facilities at the airport (T2). It was lovely to smell the terminal again. It was practically empty. Maybe next time I will be actually flying. Here’s hoping.

Doylers · 23-09-2020 1:57pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

The only route coming back in the short-term at a severely reduced service level (3pw planned) is Toronto on the NEO. I don't see any other meaningful resumption of TA service until the EU/US relax travel restrictions between both, I don't see any movement on that until March at the earliest.

When is this planned to happen?

Tenger · 23-09-2020 3:46pm

Avoation1091 wrote: »

Does anyone know the situation with SNN? SNN - LHR is on sale from 19 Oct but will it actually resume that day? Some of the crew there are being put back on the roster according to RTE at the weekend.

Doubtful we will see flights from SNN this side of December. (I hoping the Covid situation will improve before Xmas)
Recent changes announced by EI over the weekend included the caveat of no flight operations ex-DNN.

Avoation1091 · 23-09-2020 4:09pm

Tenger wrote: »

Doubtful we will see flights from SNN this side of December. (I hoping the Covid situation will improve before Xmas)
Recent changes announced by EI over the weekend included the caveat of no flight operations ex-DNN.

Ah ok. Some of the crew are prob operating ex DUB.

Jack1985 · 23-09-2020 5:05pm

Doylers wrote: »

When is this planned to happen?

Very fluid at the moment was hoped mid-Oct, but this might be pushed out another month now. Could be movement possible with EU system for travel and Canada but it has yet to be confirmed and is very much up in the air at the moment.

Avoation1091 wrote: »

Does anyone know the situation with SNN? SNN - LHR is on sale from 19 Oct but will it actually resume that day? Some of the crew there are being put back on the roster according to RTE at the weekend.

Nothing is expected to move in SNN until March at the earliest, staff have been told similar. They are yes back on the pay roll at reduced hours and will be incentivised to take special leave this Winter.

Avoation1091 wrote: »

Ah ok. Some of the crew are prob operating ex DUB.

No SNN crew have operated rostered duties since early April. They will more than likely have to undergo additional training as their aircraft recency will be expiring very shortly.

goingnowhere · 24-09-2020 7:25am

A321ceo EI-CPG is off to storage in Spain this morning

Nibs05 · 24-09-2020 8:35am

goingnowhere wrote: »

A321ceo EI-CPG is off to storage in Spain this morning

I wonder if we will ever see them again.

goingnowhere · 24-09-2020 8:49am

The A321ceo's are probably coming back as razor blades. They were penciled in to be withdrawn as the neo's arrived. The EI neo's are built for possible conversion to an all economy config

They are owned outright so probably have a book value of 0 at this stage. They have a lot of cycles as they were bought originally for DUB-LHR and in recent years there has been an attempt to minimise cycles. That said an outstanding aircraft for high volume routes

Not sure which but one of the 321's has a huge patch on the left side just beyond the L1 door been there for a few years.

Tenger · 24-09-2020 9:56am

goingnowhere wrote: »

The A321ceo's are probably coming back as razor blades. They were penciled in to be withdrawn as the neo's arrived. The EI neo's are built for possible conversion to an all economy config.

I would agree. I had been told that the CEOs would no longer be in use by summer 2024. I'm guessing that's been accelerated by 3 years. (my source wasn't sure when actual retirement was planned, ie. 2022 or 2023)

A question now is the EI delivery slots on their remaining A321LR. They had deferred delivery on the next 4. But I wonder how flexible Airbus might be to "un-defer" them?

Then there are the 6 XLRs that were on order.
The A321neo is going to be very popular among global airlines over the next 2-5 years.
While orders may be paused right now I'm confident that many airlines are poised to snag whatever cancelled airframes or availible delivery slots that they can get their hands on.

billy few mates · 24-09-2020 11:06am

goingnowhere wrote: »

Not sure which but one of the 321's has a huge patch on the left side just beyond the L1 door been there for a few years.

That won't make any difference to the value or the lifespan of the aircraft.

Caoimhin321 · 24-09-2020 11:52am

Anyone know how long EI plan to operate the 330 on the EI178/179? Seems to be operating every Friday Sunday and Tuesday these days.

Jack1985 · 24-09-2020 2:39pm

Caoimhin321 wrote: »

Anyone know how long EI plan to operate the 330 on the EI178/179? Seems to be operating every Friday Sunday and Tuesday these days.

As long as cargo demand dictates.

Avoation1091 · 24-09-2020 7:52pm

EI-CVA is positioning to DUB this evening after 6 months in Shannon.

goingnowhere · 25-09-2020 5:15pm

Ei-CPG is awaiting its appointment with the scrap man in Spain

Avoation1091 · 25-09-2020 8:02pm

Will more of the A320 be put back into service? CVA, DEK & DEM left SNN/ORK today/yesterday. DEI/DEC are up at near the terminal in SNN inside of parked on the remote taxiway aswell.

flange888 · 26-09-2020 4:31pm

Avoation1091 wrote:

Will more of the A320 be put back into service? CVA, DEK & DEM left SNN/ORK today/yesterday. DEI/DEC are up at near the terminal in SNN inside of parked on the remote taxiway aswell.

Chances are they will put most of them back into service and put on flights on a rotational basis, that would allow them to keep each airframe notching up hours and cycles rather than keeping a rake of them in storage.

Locker10a · 27-09-2020 7:59pm

I see Cityjet are to introduce the E190 into their fleet, could this potentially be for the resumption next year of the EI LCY service?

Tenger · 27-09-2020 8:04pm

Locker10a wrote: »

I see Cityjet are to introduce the E190 into their fleet, could this potentially be for the resumption next year of the EI LCY service?

I always thought the E190 would suit Aer Lingus (basing that opinion on the JetBlue 190/320 fleet model)
Is this introduction long planned? Seems an odd time to bring new equipment 8nto CityJet with so much uncertainty around its future.

Deatr · 27-09-2020 8:25pm

Tenger wrote: »

I always thought the E190 would suit Aer Lingus (basing that opinion on the JetBlue 190/320 fleet model)
Is this introduction long planned? Seems an odd time to bring new equipment 8nto CityJet with so much uncertainty around its future.

It’s probably the best time to try being new equipment in, demand across Europe still rises and there’s plenty of EMBs parked up so probably good lease rates etc. But who knows!

smurfjed · 28-09-2020 9:22am

Do CITYJET have any pilots left?

Deatr · 28-09-2020 9:58am

smurfjed wrote: »

Do CITYJET have any pilots left?

Majority are operating out of CPH for the SAS wet lease operation there are a handful in Dublin, mainly management.

California Dreamer · 28-09-2020 6:48pm

Why would they look to operate E190s if they have a fleet of CRJ's, qualified crews and engineers? That doesn't make a lick of sense!

goingnowhere · 28-09-2020 6:52pm

Stobart had a few E jets ?

California Dreamer · 28-09-2020 9:43pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

Stobart had a few E jets ?

Totally different airlines.

Jack1985 · 28-09-2020 10:14pm

Don't see EI wanting to resume LCY in 21. Plenty of existing slots to LHR/LGW that need returning first.

Locker10a · 28-09-2020 11:17pm

California Dreamer wrote: »

Why would they look to operate E190s if they have a fleet of CRJ's, qualified crews and engineers? That doesn't make a lick of sense!

Sense or not it’s happening! For whom the aircraft will operate is anyone’s guess, I was thinking maybe EI as a direct replacement for the work the Rj was doing for them

California Dreamer · 29-09-2020 8:19pm

EIR deal out to tender. Behind a paywall.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-regional-contract-is-up-for-grabs-39571082.html

Avoation1091 · 29-09-2020 8:53pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

Very fluid at the moment was hoped mid-Oct, but this might be pushed out another month now. Could be movement possible with EU system for travel and Canada but it has yet to be confirmed and is very much up in the air at the moment.

Nothing is expected to move in SNN until March at the earliest, staff have been told similar. They are yes back on the pay roll at reduced hours and will be incentivised to take special leave this Winter.

No SNN crew have operated rostered duties since early April. They will more than likely have to undergo additional training as their aircraft recency will be expiring very shortly.

SNN-LHR looks to be 6 weekly from 9 Nov. Presume these flights will be cancelled? If they do go ahead, Do you know if this is a W from DUB or ORK?

Jack1985 · 29-09-2020 8:57pm

Avoation1091 wrote: »

SNN-LHR looks to be 6 weekly from 9 Nov. Presume these flights will be cancelled? If they do go ahead, Do you know if this is a W from DUB or ORK?

It looks like it will be W rostered according to the uploaded schedule. Internal new roster runs up to 08/11 however doesn't reflect SNN operation returning. ORK-LHR also goes double daily Mon Fri Sun with daily service other days and ORK-AMS is maintained at 4 weekly on Mon Thu Fri Sun this is reflected on the new roster.

I would caution strongly that everything changes now nearly daily, Toronto was expected to come back online on 12/10 but this has been delayed now even though they are very eager to restart the route.

Avoation1091 · 29-09-2020 9:09pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

It looks like it will be W rostered according to the uploaded schedule. Internal new roster runs up to 08/11 however doesn't reflect SNN operation returning. ORK-LHR also goes double daily Mon Fri Sun with daily service other days and ORK-AMS is maintained at 4 weekly on Mon Thu Fri Sun this is reflected on the new roster.

I would caution strongly that everything changes now nearly daily, Toronto was expected to come back online on 12/10 but this has been delayed now even though they are very eager to restart the route.

Thanks for that. Nothing is certain these days until closer to the time. Hopefully YYZ can resume earlier than Dec.

Avoation1091 · 29-09-2020 9:12pm

SNNUS wrote: »

LHR, BOS and JFK not showing in EI schedules from SNN at all now.

LHR looks to be from 9/11.
JFK/BOS/ACE all from around mid Dec.

All subject to change and most likely wont see JFK/BOS back until March

goingnowhere · 29-09-2020 9:17pm

They keep moving the dates out. I wouldn't read anything into it

March 2021 is probably if/when SNN restarts from business

That said the timetable is a fishing operation, if the bookings start coming in then there is a chance.

cson · 29-09-2020 10:11pm

SNN is doing nothing until the US-EU travel ban is lifted.

Jack1985 · 29-09-2020 10:26pm

cson wrote: »

SNN is doing nothing until the US-EU travel ban is lifted.

Certainly, as I referred to previously, I concur. I don't see anything heading Westbound until Mar 21 at the earliest, it may even drag out longer than that.

There is demand for a limited LHR schedule, lots of pharma cargo and it's a sector booming. Increases from DUB-LHR and ORK-LHR seem to be going ahead both in the booking engine and on live crew rosters from early Nov.

Jack1985 · 30-09-2020 12:16am

Aer Lingus mainline schedule effective 2nd November; subject to continual change.

In brackets are previous services per week during the same period in Winter 2019 and routes suspended are those that also operated during that period. - Summer seasonal routes not listed for comparison purposes. All flights operated by A320 unless stated otherwise.

DUBLIN DUB

Amsterdam AMS - 8pw (26pw)
Berlin BER - 4pw (10pw)
Birmingham BHX - 7pw (22pw)
Boston BOS - 7pw (14pw|A21N operates)
Brussels BRU - 5pw (14pw)
Chicago ORD - 7pw (14pw|A333 operates)
Dusseldorf DUS - 4pw (14pw)
Hamburg HAM - 3pw (4pw)
Lanzarote ACE - 1pw (7pw)
London LHR - 26pw (70pw|A21N and A333 operate in addition to A320)
Malaga AGP - 2pw (11pw)
Manchester MAN - 9pw (24pw)
Milan LIN - 4pw (7pw)
Munich MUC - 4pw (10pw)
New York JFK - 7pw (14pw|A333 operates)
Paris CDG - 8pw (28pw)
Rome FCO - 4pw (9pw)

Services suspended to (brace yourselves): Barcelona BCN, Bilbao BIO, Bordeaux BOD, Budapest BUD, Faro FAO, Frankfurt FRA, Geneva GVA, Gran Canaria LPA, Hartford BDL, Lisbon LIS, London LGW, Los Angeles LAX, Lyon LYS, Madrid MAD, Miami MIA, Milan MXP, Newark EWR, Orlando MCO, Philadelphia PHL, Prague PRG, San Francisco SFO, Santiago de Compostela SCQ, Seattle SEA, Tenerife TFS, Toulouse TLS, Toronto YYZ*, Venice VCE, Verona VRN, Vienna VIE, Washington IAD and Zurich ZRH

*Resumption mooted however now stalled on EU-Canadian travel relationship post 12/10.

BELFAST CITY BHD

London LHR - 18pw (21pw)

CORK ORK

Amsterdam AMS - 4pw (12pw)
London LHR - 9pw (28pw)

Services suspended to: Gran Canaria LPA, Lanzarote ACE, Lisbon LIS, Malaga AGP, Munich MUC, Paris CDG and Tenerife TFS

SHANNON SNN

Services suspended to: Boston BOS, Lanzarote ACE, London LHR* and New York JFK

*Possible resumption effective 09/11 however not yet confirmed.

California Dreamer · 30-09-2020 6:14am

California Dreamer wrote: »

EIR deal out to tender. Behind a paywall.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-regional-contract-is-up-for-grabs-39571082.html

Aer Lingus has sought tenders to operate its regional service after the
current contract expires at the end of 2022, the Irish Independent has
learned.

Dublin-based Stobart Air currently holds the contract to operate Aer
Lingus Regional services. The decision by IAG-owned Aer Lingus to put
the service out to tender is certain to put pressure on the UK's Stobart
Group, which is currently engaged in talks to sell Stobart Air.

It's understood that Aer Lingus started the tender process within the
past couple of weeks.

Stock market-listed Stobart Group said in April that it was continuing
"positive dialogue" with Aer Lingus to "conclude a long-term franchise
extension" which would ensure that its Stobart Air business was put on a
"sound financial footing".

However, the following week, the then IAG chief executive Willie Walsh
said that no extension had yet been granted by Aer Lingus to Stobart Air
for the service and that a number of other parties had approached Aer
Lingus with a view to operating it.

IAG also owns British Airways, Iberia, Vueling and Level.

Stobart Group declined to comment yesterday. Aer Lingus had not provided
any response to queries at the time of going to print.

Stobart Group, which also owns London Southend Airport, has previously
said that the routes Stobart Air operates would be attractive to other
airlines if its contract with Aer Lingus is not renewed.

The Irish Independent revealed earlier this month that Stobart Group has
entered talks with aircraft lessor Falko, which owns Dublin-based
CityJet, to acquire Stobart Air. The value of such a deal will be
dependent on Stobart Air securing a contract for the Aer Lingus Regional
service beyond 2022.

"We can confirm that we are in early-stage discussions with a number of
parties including Falko Regional Aircraft regarding the potential sale
of Stobart Group's stake in Stobart Air and Propius," said Stobart Group
at the time.

Propius is an aircraft leasing vehicle.

"There can be no certainty that any transaction will be forthcoming or
whether acceptable terms will be agreed," Stobart Group added.

Stobart Group has significant financial liabilities connected to Stobart
Air and Propius.

In an internal Stobart Air memo earlier this year, its managing director
Andy Jolly said that Stobart Group had only prevented the Dublin-based
airline from falling into receivership in order to prevent the group
collapsing.

Stobart Group's chief executive Warwick Brady and its chief financial
officer will make a presentation to existing and potential investors on
Friday.

They're likely to face tough questions from shareholders who stumped up
£100m (€110m) for the group via an equity placing at 40p per share in
June. Stobart's shares were trading at just under 20p yesterday, giving
the group a market capitalisation of £123m.

Stobart Air has a fleet of 15 turboprop aircraft. Before the pandemic it
operated about two dozen routes from airports including Dublin and Cork.
Many of those services are not currently operational. However, the
airline recently launched six routes from Belfast City Airport to
destinations including Manchester, Edinburgh and Birmingham.

Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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