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Storm Desmond - High Winds 4/5 December 2015

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 922 ✭✭✭FWVT


    I'm surprised Met Eireann/UkMo haven't come out and called this Storm Desmond yet. Looks on a par or stronger than previous named storms this season. Guess there is still time but it seemed like they named previous storms a few days earlier.

    The worst winds will be out to sea so with no real damage or disruption on land they're unlikely to name it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    FWVT wrote: »
    The worst winds will be out to sea so with no real damage or disruption on land they're unlikely to name it.

    Has something changed to the 130km/h gusts I had been seeing on the coasts???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 922 ✭✭✭FWVT


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Has something changed to the 130km/h gusts I had been seeing on the coasts???

    That was only around Belmullet and in any case the 00Z ECM has downgraded winds in that area. Yesterday its strongest winds were for 12Z Friday and showed numerous 50-kt barbs offshore and just at the coast, however now it's more like 45 kt.

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    Later in the afternoon and evening the winds move onshore but weaken all the time. I would expect the strongest gusts of about 60-65 kt in Mace Head - Malin Head in the afternoon but much less than that overland (45-55).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 922 ✭✭✭FWVT


    FWVT wrote: »
    That was only around Belmullet and in any case the 00Z ECM has downgraded winds in that area. Yesterday its strongest winds were for 12Z Friday and showed numerous 50-kt barbs offshore and just at the coast, however now it's more like 45 kt.

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    Later in the afternoon and evening the winds move onshore but weaken all the time. I would expect the strongest gusts of about 60-65 kt in Mace Head - Malin Head in the afternoon but much less than that overland (45-55).

    This was the 12Z output yesterday.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    0Z UKMO for 6pm Friday has the strongest winds on the southwest coast, 90 km/h sustained. Quite strong inland over southwest coastal counties too. Just one model though, most have the strongest winds further north up the west coast.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Expecting a lot of wind along the Western Seaboard for a good part of Fri ( 12 hours or more ? ) which looks like an Orange warning and again for parts of Sat that could also possibly warrant an orange warning. Strong SW winds in Southern counties on Sat too with a lot of water flowing out the rivers will lead to some high levels, although just coming out of neap tides atm.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Yes, more notable for the duration of the winds than the forecast strength. Long duration of winds + saturated ground from periods of heavy rain means trees will be down in places.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    yr.no is still giving my area 60 mm from friday night to Sunday morning
    not a hilly / mountainous area
    I hope MTC is correct in his forecast . does not seen to be going for anywhere near this amount


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    06Z GFS also spins up a deep low off the northwest coast on Monday, though it's too far off shore to have any impact here unless the track shifts.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭Weatherproof79


    Wind warning issued for NI. Gusts of 45-55mph, locally 60mph. Nothing out of the ordinary


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Bigcheeze


    Met Eireann going with a Yellow warning for tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,827 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    Bigcheeze wrote: »
    Met Eireann going with a Yellow warning for tomorrow.

    I'd say it'll be upgraded.


  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭Psychosis


    Its not great out there alright


  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭Padster90s


    Lunchtime weather said there'll be warnigs tomorrow for the wind. Potential for storm force winds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Do you think this is gonna be a named "storm"? :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    sryanbruen wrote: »
    Do you think this is gonna be a named "storm"? :p

    Not sure since the strong winds tomorrow will be the result of a tightening gradient over the country rather than a usual low passing close to the country and then a second phase of winds on Saturday possibly caused by a wave depression passing over the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭lol5605


    What will the wind be like up the Belfast direction, I'm taking the Ferry to Cairnryan in the evening. Anyone familiar with this route? They don't seem to cancel as much as Dublin - Holyhead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Worth mentioning again that the heavy rain today combined with more rain in the days ahead will lead to saturated ground in some areas. Even modest gusts can be enough to topple some trees in those conditions.
    Even today I see on twitter some trees have come down and there was a mudslide in west waterford so the ground is already pretty saturated in places.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Not sure since the strong winds tomorrow will be the result of a tightening gradient over the country rather than a usual low passing close to the country and then a second phase of winds on Saturday possibly caused by a wave depression passing over the country.

    I reckon if they deemed the winds to be strong enough to cause inconvenience and potential damage etc, that they will name it, regardless of the actual structure of the storm. But I could well be wrong.

    New Moon



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭Weatherproof79


    Saturday system has been upgraded on the latest gfs. 70mph plus possibly 80mph in some locations


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    Forecast on rte one,emphasising very heavy rainfall,more vague about the winds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    They did say there would be an orange warning,but I'm not sure if this refers to wind or rain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    They did say there would be an orange warning,but I'm not sure if this refers to wind or rain.

    I'd expect both eventually.


  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭Padster90s


    RTE definitely emphasizing the rainfall more so than the wind. I can't remember the word the forecaster used to describe the expected rain but it wasn't a word they usually use in forecasts! Personally I'd be more concerned with the rain. I've seen places flooded the last few day that I've never seen flooded. Rivers are centimeters away from bursting if they haven't already...it'll be an interesting weekend...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Padster90s wrote: »
    RTE definitely emphasizing the rainfall more so than the wind. I can't remember the word the forecaster used to describe the expected rain but it wasn't a word they usually use in forecasts! Personally I'd be more concerned with the rain. I've seen places flooded the last few day that I've never seen flooded. Rivers are centimeters away from bursting if they haven't already...it'll be an interesting weekend...

    Incessant I think was the word they used.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,322 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    Incessant I think was the word they used.

    One of Siobhans favourites! Along with relentless :-D


  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭Padster90s


    Incessant I think was the word they used.

    Yeah it was something along those lines! If they're right this rain on top of whats already fallen with cause havoc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭Padster90s


    leahyl wrote: »
    One of Siobhans favourites! Along with relentless :-D

    Relentless rings a bell alright but I've honestly never heard her say Incessant before!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,951 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    Well the eagle isn't buying into this storm anyway, just said windy with yellow warning tomorrow and tomorrow night then said Saturday will be wet but never mentioned wind at all for Saturday!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭Weatherproof79


    leahyl wrote: »
    One of Siobhans favourites! Along with relentless :-D

    Don't forget "In the mix"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Padster90s wrote: »
    RTE definitely emphasizing the rainfall more so than the wind. I can't remember the word the forecaster used to describe the expected rain but it wasn't a word they usually use in forecasts! Personally I'd be more concerned with the rain. I've seen places flooded the last few day that I've never seen flooded. Rivers are centimeters away from bursting if they haven't already...it'll be an interesting weekend...

    The ground is very saturated here following on from nearly 200mm last month. I think the potential for local flooding in parts will be a main issue over the weekend.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭Padster90s


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    The ground is very saturated here following on from nearly 200mm last month. I think the potential for local flooding in parts will be a main issue over the weekend.

    Agree with you there. Drains and manholes in my area have started backing up, fields look like swamps and the rivers are the highest I've seen since 2009. Think ME are right to take more of a rain angle on this one.
    When are the next batch of charts out?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 922 ✭✭✭FWVT


    Sea area forecast just issued. Nothing too remarkable in it.
    Sea Area Forecast until 1800 Friday 04 December 2015


    Issued at 1800 Thursday 03 December 2015


    Gale warning
    : in operation.

    Small craft warning
    : refer to gale warning.

    Meteorological situation at 1500: A wave depression of 1004hPa in the south Irish Sea will continue to drift into Britain this evening as a westerly airflow becomes established over Ireland.

    Forecast for all Irish coastal waters and the Irish Sea

    Wind: West force 4 to 5 but northwest force 6 or 7 in the south Irish Sea at first., backing southwest overnight and increasing force 5 to 6, backing south to southwest tomorrow and increasing gale 8 to strong gale 9.
    Weather: Rain or showers.
    Visibility: Generally good overnight, but locally poor in rain.

    Warning of heavy swell: Along Atlantic coasts.

    Outlook for a further 24 hours until 1800 Saturday 05 December 2015: Gale or strong gale force south to southwest winds will continue tomorrow night and during Saturday.

    Next update before 0100 Friday 04 December 2015


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Padster90s wrote: »
    Agree with you there. Drains and manholes in my area have started backing up, fields look like swamps and the rivers are the highest I've seen since 2009. Think ME are right to take more of a rain angle on this one.
    When are the next batch of charts out?

    ECM 12z run should be finished at around 7pm

    http://www.vedur.is/vedur/sjovedur/atlantshafskort/#teg=urkoma

    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,590 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    My take on the latest guidance is that it continues the themes already developed in this thread.

    On the wind potential, that will be mostly a west coast issue and because the wind direction is SSW to SW, the direct impact on Galway Bay will be less able to transfer strong winds inland there, than with similar westerly gale to storm force wind events. When the stronger winds spread further east by Saturday morning, they will only be level one in a few locations, but it should be stressed that level two wind alert conditions will be almost steady state from mid-day Friday to late Saturday on the Atlantic coasts especially around Belmullet. Peak gusts in the 120 to 130 km/hr range appear likely there.

    As to the rain potential, this will actually exceed level two in a few parts of the west, notably Connemara and western Mayo, Donegal, some parts of Clare and higher terrain in Kerry and nearby west Cork and Limerick, so a level three rain advisory should be in place locally where streams flow out of higher ground in those counties, especially Connemara from the guidance -- level two somewhat more widespread in the western coastal regions, and level one extending a few more kms inland and here or there in higher parts of the central and southern, eastern counties. It probably won't reach advisory levels in some places in lower elevations of the central and eastern counties but more depends on where rivers rise and drain, than what rainfall they receive locally, so would factor that into any planning considerations.

    To summarize then, this will be a significant wind event mainly in west coastal locations and a significant rainfall event mainly on or near high terrain. Fortunately the heavy rain potential does not overlap the areas flooded today in the southeast except possibly over some parts of Wicklow and Carlow near the higher portions of the Wicklow Mountains. That area should be watched for renewed flood potential.

    It will be interesting to hear from Galway posters about how water flows develop into the city from nearby lakes as I gather those watersheds are partially managed flows, and having lakes involved can slow down the rate of flooding downstream, however, it may become an actionable situation independent of how much rain falls on the city since the problem is mainly created upstream. I would expect perhaps 35 to 50 mm of rain in Galway city (compared to 100-150 in nearby Connemara) over the period Friday to Sunday. As Oneiric3 suggests, many areas of Connacht should take a moderate rainfall advisory seriously as water levels are already quite high. Flooding may be difficult to avoid if many rivers are already near bankfull levels.

    The guidance suggests that total rainfalls of 50-100 mm are likely over these higher areas and locally could reach 150 mm. Then there will be further similar amounts from Monday to Thursday in several more rounds. Some lower portions of central counties may only see 10-20 mm in these same intervals, so it will be mostly a localized (although severe in potential) rain-flood event.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Excessive rainfall over the weekend and possible update to 'Orange' regarding wind warning. Siobhan Ryan on RTE Six-One Weather just now.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    Excessive rainfall over the weekend and possible update to 'Orange' regarding wind warning. Siobhan Ryan on RTE Six-One Weather just now.

    incessant AND relentless !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Anyone who hasnt heard siobhan say 'excessive' 'relentless' or 'incessant' should watch the six one forecast!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    km79 wrote: »
    incessant AND relentless !

    That too :)

    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,819 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    pad199207 Anyone who hasnt heard siobhan say 'excessive' 'relentless' or 'incessant' should watch the six one forecast!

    Rosenstock, take note!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭blackbird99


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    12Z ECM seems to have rain over parts of the country continously from Friday evening to Sunday morning. And a further spell of rain Sunday night into Monday morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭Tactical


    I can confirm that there were various roads with flooding in West Limerick today and one diversion as a result of flooding that I'm aware of.

    Travelling tertiary roads, particularly in hilly locations I encountered a "flooded" roads that were passable with care. The standard of driving observed was generally poor given road conditions with several motorists observed entering standing water on the road whereby the water thrown up obscured driver visibility.

    On the motorway, there was a lot of surface water encountered and this resulted in a lot of reduced visibility due to spray from large vehicles.

    While the rain was reasonably heavy it wasn't actually too bad. It was the sheer length of time that it fell for at a consistemt rate and the already saturated ground conditions that brought about what I encountered.

    I fully expect impeded travel over the weekend due to the forecast conditions, especially on the tertiary road network.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭cml387


    Drove from Clonmel to Mullingar in relentless driving rain.
    And I'm supposed to pick up a gang from Dublin Airport tomorrow evening and drive back to Clonmel.

    Looking forward to it:eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭Tactical


    cml387 wrote: »
    Drove from Clonmel to Mullingar in relentless driving rain.
    And I'm supposed to pick up a gang from Dublin Airport tomorrow evening and drive back to Clonmel.

    Looking forward to it:eek:

    I'll be on the road late Friday night / early Saturday morning and am prepared for a careful drive. I honestly don't expect any issues on the motorway and national primary road network, its the tertiary roads that would present anything of interest.

    To those travelling, simply heed prevailing weather conditions and adjust to suit. I carry some common sense gear appropriate to the conditions I expect to encounter so that if I do run into a problem and am delayed, I am self sufficient and not reliant on anyone else to come to my aid (barring a genuine emergency or major breakdown etc...)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Tactical wrote: »
    I'll be on the road late Friday night / early Saturday morning and am prepared for a careful drive. I honestly don't expect any issues on the motorway and national primary road network, its the tertiary roads that would present anything of interest.

    To those travelling, simply heed prevailing weather conditions and adjust to suit. I carry some common sense gear appropriate to the conditions I expect to encounter so that if I do run into a problem and am delayed, I am self sufficient and not reliant on anyone else to come to my aid (barring a genuine emergency or major breakdown etc...)

    The left lane on one section of the M9 had to be closed earlier due to flooding. Heavy persistent rain can cause problems even on motorways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭corsav6


    I'm a bit nervous about the weekend now. SW winds are funnelled through the landscape and really pack a punch, we're fairly sheltered from other directions.
    Rainfall around Newport has been unreal in the last few weeks, not sure how much more we can take before the stream running down our land starts coming onto the driveway.
    Our driveway has chippings and is at a steep angle so every few months we need to cover it again. Since the start of the month it's become nearly undrivable, there's a large pile of chippings at the bottom and ridges created by the water flowing down.

    Sorry for the long post.
    Tldr: pissed off with all the rain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭cml387


    The left lane on one section of the M9 had to be closed earlier due to flooding. Heavy persistent rain can cause problems even on motorways.

    True. The M8 had particular problems after opening but in fairness it was pretty ok this afternoon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Rainfall totals up to 12pm Saturday as forecast by HIRLAM. The high totals in the east include today's forecast totals.

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    New Moon



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