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Changes in the GAA - super thread

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  • #2552
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    jay1988 wrote: »
    Are you sure about that?, both sides use STATsport who offer a live pitchside tracking app to all of their clients, surely there not doing this for Dublin and not for Mayo?

    Back to my point about the large backroom team.


  • #2553
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    kilns wrote: »
    But are the guys with the lap tops being paid? They aren't. Other counties do this and to be honest those who don't use it are foolish as it's available to all

    I have no idea if there getting paid but I would imagine they're getting expenses anyway. When you have other county teams having to cut the panel to reduce costs it provides an advantage.


  • #2554
    C__MC
    Registered Users Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Croke park should come into use for Dublin in a leinster final , all Ireland semi and final
    League games back to Parnell park


  • #2555
    doc_17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,974 ✭✭✭doc_17


    jay1988 wrote: »
    It really wouldn't, in the end it comes down to 15v15 or 20v20, the better team will usually win, no matter where the games are played and thats what is happening now, the best team is winning, it won't last forever but we'll enjoy it while it does.

    In every field sport in the world the teams playing at home have a bigger win percentage.


  • #2556
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,813 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Thing is the point that is being missed by a lot of people....Gaelic football has evolved...its changing.. possession is king. You can’t score without the ball and your opponent can score if you give it to them... so that is why teams are interested in minding possession and playing short kick outs.. the game is evolving, for the better... its faster, it’s higher scoring, more skillful more entertaining... players are fitter, sharper, more intelligent more tactically astute.

    A team would rather possession near their own 45 then throwing it up the middle of the pitch where it can be 50/50... the tactical norms of the game are being re-evaluated... not just by Dublin. Dublin are just pretty good at moving the ball fast, efficiently, and accurately...

    You have some redline rule for kick outs you’ll just have teams playing more 6”4 guys at the expense of actual footballers... it would diminish the game.


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  • #2557
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,813 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    doc_17 wrote: »
    In every field sport in the world the teams playing at home have a bigger win percentage.

    Keep Dublin out of Parnell Park so....

    The only solution is to build two big white elephant stadia in say Cork and Tipp and alternating the finals between 3 venues.... impossible financially. If it wasn’t it would be a waste of money financially.


  • #2558
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,084 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Strumms wrote: »
    Thing is the point that is being missed by a lot of people....Gaelic football has evolved...its changing.. possession is king. You can’t score without the ball and your opponent can score if you give it to them... so that is why teams are interested in minding possession and playing short kick outs.. the game is evolving, for the better... its faster, it’s higher scoring, more skillful more entertaining... players are fitter, sharper, more intelligent more tactically astute.

    A team would rather possession near their own 45 then throwing it up the middle of the pitch where it can be 50/50... the tactical norms of the game are being re-evaluated... not just by Dublin. Dublin are just pretty good at moving the ball fast, efficiently, and accurately...

    You have some redline rule for kick outs you’ll just have teams playing more 6”4 guys at the expense of actual footballers... it would diminish the game.

    How Dublin play is absolutely the right tactic but the passing left and right around the midfield is boring as hell when it gets going. Doesn't matter whether it's kicked or punched it's awful to watch. I never understood people fawning over Barcelona doing the same in soccer great teams if you love just reading the stats in the morning paper but awful dull watching for a full match

    The short pass and move when going forward is great to watch and I think is more entertaining than the old hoofing it into a sea of players round the box.


  • #2559
    DubCount
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭DubCount


    The "keep ball" at certain stages of the match is effective but not great to watch. That is as much about defending teams putting 15 players behind the ball, as the attacking team deciding that they have enough of a lead to win without trying to attack. e

    I'd love to see a rule requiring both teams to have at least 3-4 players inside the opposition 65 at all times. If there is more space for attacking teams you might get more attacking play.

    Also, I wonder if a shot clock could work (like in basketball). If there is no shot within 1 minute of a kickout or a turnover, its a kick out for the opposition. That type of thing.


  • #2560
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DubCount wrote: »
    The "keep ball" at certain stages of the match is effective but not great to watch. That is as much about defending teams putting 15 players behind the ball, as the attacking team deciding that they have enough of a lead to win without trying to attack. e

    I'd love to see a rule requiring both teams to have at least 3-4 players inside the opposition 65 at all times. If there is more space for attacking teams you might get more attacking play.

    Also, I wonder if a shot clock could work (like in basketball). If there is no shot within 1 minute of a kickout or a turnover, its a kick out for the opposition. That type of thing.

    You’re into gimmick territory then. Let teams play as they see fit and it’s up to other teams to counter that and stop them. There’s no thought into handing someone a ball back like that.


  • #2561
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    DubCount wrote: »
    The "keep ball" at certain stages of the match is effective but not great to watch. That is as much about defending teams putting 15 players behind the ball, as the attacking team deciding that they have enough of a lead to win without trying to attack. e

    I'd love to see a rule requiring both teams to have at least 3-4 players inside the opposition 65 at all times. If there is more space for attacking teams you might get more attacking play.

    Also, I wonder if a shot clock could work (like in basketball). If there is no shot within 1 minute of a kickout or a turnover, its a kick out for the opposition. That type of thing.
    A basketball court is less than 100 feet long and 50 feet wide. Totally incomparable to a GAA pitch. You cant put a shot clock on it. Theyre not comparable.


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  • #2562
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    That's for analysing stats after the game. No other team would have real time feed to five people on a laptop during the game.


    I don't know about that. I was in Salthill for a league game two years back. Fierce cold and I got in early and into the middle of the stand. A Steward came to me after about 10 mins and asked if I could move two seats further in and they marked off two seats for stats lads for the Galway team.

    And different teams work and use different methods. The Mayo fans on here will attest that a backroom member of staff at Arsenal FC works with Mayo GAA when the soccer season finishes.


  • #2563
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    DubCount wrote: »
    The "keep ball" at certain stages of the match is effective but not great to watch. That is as much about defending teams putting 15 players behind the ball, as the attacking team deciding that they have enough of a lead to win without trying to attack. e

    I'd love to see a rule requiring both teams to have at least 3-4 players inside the opposition 65 at all times. If there is more space for attacking teams you might get more attacking play.

    Also, I wonder if a shot clock could work (like in basketball). If there is no shot within 1 minute of a kickout or a turnover, its a kick out for the opposition. That type of thing.

    Dublin went down to 14 men the other day and when the second half kicked off I posted on the AI thread that Dublin would hold the ball and run the clock down and that is what they did for just shy of 5 minutes.

    Why should a team in that position be penalised when the opposing team has the extra man and the added advantage?


  • #2564
    RoyalCelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    One change that is needed more then ever is Dublin not competing in Leinster. As has been said before a system where they play in a different province each year would work best. It would spice up those other provincials the year they enter, think Dublin vs Kerry/Cork in Killarney or PUC, Mayo in McHale or Monaghan in Clones. Then every 4 years back to Leinster for a procession.

    But at least for the 3 years in between you'll have a competitive province and Leinster teams will have championship silverware to play for so annual progress can be seen and made to assist long term improvements.

    Dublin fans would enjoy this system more so it's a win win. Just think how many Dubs would be in favour of Scrapping leinster. They don't give a **** about it anymore. The glory days are gone. Meanwhile now they're more concerned about not getting split up so might welcome this change instead.

    That former player from Westmeath was encouraging all leinster counties to boycott. Instead of having to boycott why can't they just play minus dublin who are in no way similar in any metric to a leinster county.


  • #2565
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    One change that is needed more then ever is Dublin not competing in Leinster. As has been said before a system where they play in a different province each year would work best. It would spice up those other provincials the year they enter, think Dublin vs Kerry/Cork in Killarney or PUC, Mayo in McHale or Monaghan in Clones. Then every 4 years back to Leinster for a procession.

    But at least for the 3 years in between you'll have a competitive province and Leinster teams will have championship silverware to play for so annual progress can be seen and made to assist long term improvements.

    Dublin fans would enjoy this system more so it's a win win. Just think how many Dubs would be in favour of Scrapping leinster. They don't give a **** about it anymore. The glory days are gone. Meanwhile now they're more concerned about not getting split up so might welcome this change instead.

    That former player from Westmeath was encouraging all leinster counties to boycott. Instead of having to boycott why can't they just play minus dublin who are in no way similar in any metric to a leinster county.

    So if Dublin don't care about Leinster anymore. Why would they care about winning Ulster, Connaught or Munster.


  • #2566
    RoyalCelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    ShyMets wrote: »
    So if Dublin don't care about Leinster anymore. Why would they care about winning Ulster, Connaught or Munster.

    They'd get more competition? Less of the hammer every team by 20 points on the way to their 50th leinster in a row? Potential match ups away include kerry, Cork, mayo, galway, donegal, Tyrone etc. The Dublin accountants might not like the idea of their travel costs going up! They'll finally understand the pain of the likes of mayo, donegal and kerry.


  • #2567
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    They'd get more competition? Less of the hammer every team by 20 points on the way to their 50th leinster in a row? Potential match ups away include kerry, Cork, mayo, galway, donegal, Tyrone etc. The Dublin accountants might not like the idea of their travel costs going up! They'll finally understand the pain of the likes of mayo, donegal and kerry.
    And why would any of the smaller/weaker counties in the other provinces be happy with this or even the stronger counties?
    Moving dublin around the provinces will be the death of the provincial championships and that isnt a good thing.
    Dublin play likes of Kerry, Mayo, Donegal etc enough with the super 8s, semis/finals and in the league
    It isnt the answer.


  • #2568
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    They'd get more competition? Less of the hammer every team by 20 points on the way to their 50th leinster in a row? Potential match ups away include kerry, Cork, mayo, galway, donegal, Tyrone etc. The Dublin accountants might not like the idea of their travel costs going up! They'll finally understand the pain of the likes of mayo, donegal and kerry.

    Ok. So you're in favour of it solely because Dublin will incur more travelling costs.

    The mind boggles


  • #2569
    seligehgit
    Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Mod Warning

    I refer all posters to the last sentence of post #1 on The Dominance of Dublin GAA thread.

    The Changes in the GAA-super thread is now for discussion of all other suggested reforms not relating to Dublin GAA.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058005558

    Any further posts referring to reforms relating to Dublin GAA will be sanctioned.


  • #2570
    dobman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Can someone explain the outrage over the advantage rule in hurling? It seemed to work well from what I could see overall. Especially the new rule on cynical fouls outside the penalty area leading to penalties. I only watched league Sunday but on more than a few occasions it was obvious to see lads stop themselves from a pull on the jersey or dragging a player down cynically. Seems lots of hurling fans not happy with the new rules but they looked good to me.

    So could anyone shed any light on something I might seem to be missing?


  • #2571
    thesultan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭thesultan


    The old one had if a free was committed, the ref had a five second advantage rule where if the advantage didn't occur he could go back to the original free


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  • #2572
    seligehgit
    Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    thesultan wrote: »
    The old one had if a free was committed, the ref had a five second advantage rule where if the advantage didn't occur he could go back to the original free

    Can't see what on earth was wrong with same.


  • #2573
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,679 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/115681595#Comment_115681595

    Similar to how Galway don't play in the Connacht hurling anymore?

    It seems to have worked well for Galway but do we really want to give the Dubs another leg-up?



  • #2574
    harpsman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭harpsman


    Football-

    1- there must be at least 4 players from each team in each half of the field, or inside each 65- this would be policed by a linesman for each half.

    2- no hand passing outside the 22m line. Maybe change the 22m line to 30m to give a bit more leeway.

    3- all kick outs must pass the 45m line.

    At the moment most football matches are like a series of backs v forwards drills with very few contests for possession. I find it sterile and boring to watch. These changes would mean more long kicking and contests for possession, and evee wee n a bit more chaos which the game is sorely lacking atm



  • #2575
    eire4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭eire4


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/115665732#Comment_115665732

    Given how small Parnell Park is that would cost the GAA a lot of lost revenue. Unless Dublin are given a 30,000 odd sized stadium of their own or agree some deal with the government for a new stadium of that nature that was shared with other sports say for instance combing with Leinster Rugby for a redeveloped RDS it is not going to happen.



  • #2576
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    After the last day I believe after match citing for dangerous and dirty play is something that the GAA need to have the balls to bring in.

    Otherwise I hope someone takes them to court and ultimately the cleaners.

    Oh and proper sanctions, games missed, not just lip service with numerous appeal avenues.

    We always get this shyte about players are only amateur and it would be great pity if they were to miss matches.

    Well the players they hurt and sometimes seriously injure are only amateurs as well, and have lives and jobs outside GAA that are affected by their dangerous actions.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #2577
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Can anyone provide a link to the proposed new football cship structures that are to be discussed n the Autumn? At least i think thats when they will be discussed



  • #2578
    newbie11
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭newbie11


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117898899#Comment_117898899
    https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1246546/

    GPA going with the 2nd option here, hope it gets through



  • #2579
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117898928#Comment_117898928

    Link not working



  • #2580
    newbie11
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭newbie11


    The Gaelic Players Association looks set to offer its backing to a league-championship football structure ahead of next month's Special Congress.

    The GPA is preparing to canvass inter-county footballers to see which championship structure they would prefer as Congress prepares to map out a path forward for the future structure of the Gaelic football season.

    Two new formats for football are on the table, including a transformation of the provincial championships into four equally-sized groups of eight counties and a more radical switching of the Allianz League into the summer. This option would incorporate the provincial championships being played off in the spring.

    The third option is that the current format remains with some changes.

    RTÉ Sport understands that there has already been very strong support from the GPA membership for Proposal B, the league-based championship, which would see the provincial championships retained, as well as a Tailteann Cup competition.



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  • #2581
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,905 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    noticed the Munster Club championships will spill over to 2022 with the finals taking place early January



  • #2582
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117898958#Comment_117898958

    Was hoping for a link to the actual detailed proposal?



  • #2583
    ATR72
    Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭ATR72


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117907674#Comment_117907674

    League proposal.

    Top 4 in Div 1 and top 2 in Div 2 qualify for the QFs. 5th placed Div 1 team plus 3rd in Div 2 and the champions of Div 3 and 4 qualify for a preliminary QF.



  • #2584
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117908622#Comment_117908622

    Hmm, was hoping for a champions league style format. So that means 10 teams go forward from the NFL to the AI series? And the rest in the Tailteann Cup??



  • #2585
    Always_Running
    Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117904971#Comment_117904971

    Same with the Connacht club championships



  • #2586
    ATR72
    Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭ATR72


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117914852#Comment_117914852

    Only Div 3 and 4 teams are in Tier 2. The remaining Div 2 counties get no Championship games.



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  • #2587
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,910 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/107532174#Comment_107532174

    Didn’t they experiment with a handpass rule to three hand passes only and it was a nightmare for refs?

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/referees-had-a-problem-with-experimental-hand-pass-rule-1.3765900%3fmode%3Damp

    That flipping advanced mark thing should be dropped anyway ruins a game. Stop start.

    I was thinking that changing the value of the type of goal scored might work. Instead of limiting hand passes go the other way.

    Give incentive to direct running a fella scores a goal beating 3 or more outfielders in a direct run = 4 points? It would discourage hand passing?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #2588
    Gael85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭Gael85


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117925618#Comment_117925618

    The issue is teams parking 15 bodies behind the ball. If 4 points for goal teams will go more defensive. The hand pass can draw players out. It gas when see people complaining about teams playing keep ball and passing sidewides and yet the opposition keep 15 behind the ball with no attempt to win ball back. That should be real issue-ultra cautious managers/coaches.



  • #2589
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,905 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Are we going back to the 2018 and 2019 intercounty season calendar for 2022 ?

    Personally preferred the old calendar esp this years one but obv covid played its part for that



  • #2590
    Treble double
    Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Proposal B could transform Inter County Football.

    The National Football Leauge in it's current guise is arguably the best competition in the GAA. From a fairness, competiveness and entertainment point of view it has no equal. It's all inclusive encompassing 32 counties (insert London for Kilkenny).

    How can it be improved? Play it in the summer when it is even more conducive to good football. Give it extra gravitas by linking it in to winning the Sam Maguire. The buzz around home and away games played in county grounds by teams of equal ability on Summer Saturday evenings will be a massive injection for the game. It will also attract high attendances.

    This is a real opportunity for football and I hope it's not blocked by blazers in provincial councils with short sighted self interest at heart.



  • #2591
    kerry_man15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭kerry_man15


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117898958#Comment_117898958

    Options A and B sound poor tbh. What's the point of calling them provincial championships if they are going to make 4 groups of 8. That would mean many teams not playing in their actual province thereby making it a farce (like Galway winning the Leinster Championship). If going with 4 groups of 8 just scrap the provincial element to it.

    I don't like the League option either, tying the league into the championship is ridiculous. They should be two separate competitions (like the EPL and FA Cup). It also sounds way more complicated, why not keep it simple?

    The best thing to do would be to make a Champions League type of format with 8 groups of 4 for the group stages. All teams would then get several games. Top 2 in each group go into knockout stage. Why can they never keep things simple?



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  • #2592
    Treble double
    Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Treble double


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117966503#Comment_117966503

    B is very straight forward, the divisions are already in place, it gives real meaning to the leauge and it is played at the proper time of the year.

    There will be a secondary competition the outdated provincial championships will be played in Spring



  • #2593
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,832 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117966503#Comment_117966503

    Not 'many', a handful, but I suppose if you concede the principle...



  • #2594
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,905 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    With the league championship proposal

    What happens to the 6th/7th and 8th Division 1 and the rest of Division 2, do they go into the Tailteann Cup or is it season over for them



  • #2595
    Rockfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Rockfish


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970205#Comment_117970205

    Was wondering this myself, i still cant find a detailed explanation of Option B. If this is the case i cant see the top teams being bothered about this Tailteann Cup if they dont have a top 5 finish.



  • #2596
    Always_Running
    Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970205#Comment_117970205

    Season over for those teams which is a major flaw in this so called no brainer of a proposal to vote in that some in the national media are trying to portray it as.



  • #2597
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,905 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    I'm guessing the Football League/Championship would start later in the year maybe early-mid April and be done by end of July

    The hurling League start the end of January with the Championship Round robin in May



  • #2598
    Treble double
    Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Treble double


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117981908#Comment_117981908

    Every team in the country will get 7 games in the height of summer with positive results getting them into all Ireland knockout stages, if you don't get the results in div 1 and 2 you will be in a relegation scrap. Every team will find their level. Some will say maybe it would be easier to qualify from div 2, but the counter argument would be that playing the top teams in div 1 would prepare you better for a tilt at the ultimate prize. I think this is as good a proposal as has ever been put forward and hopefully it gets off the ground



  • #2599
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,905 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989804#Comment_117989804

    Its a bit of mix bag with the Div 3 and Div 4 champions, very doubtful they will be able to beat the teams in the All Ireland Preliminary Rounds, Maybe Div 3 champions would give them a game but the Div 4 champions wont have a hope and would they not be better off in the Tailteann Cup

    Id prefer Option B instead of that Farce of the other one with teams joining Munster and Connacht championships.



  • #2600
    Rockfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Rockfish


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989871#Comment_117989871

    Your first point makes sense but i suppose they are trying to find a formula that allows every team a chance to compete in the AI proper. Maybe allow beaten Div 3 and 4 teams into T Cup? I admit i haven't thou8ght this out thoroughly 🤔



  • #2601
    Treble double
    Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Treble double


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989871#Comment_117989871

    The division 3 and 4 teams will be coming into the preliminary quarter final with serious momentum, probably on the back of winning 6 or 7 games, take Derry in this year's leauge for example they flew through the division and would have fancied their chances against any team bar the elites.

    They came within a whisker of Donegal in the Ulster Championship. You can't underestimate the effect winning matches has on a team.



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