Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

Deise_2012 · 18-10-2015 12:24pm

archieknox wrote: »

Senior panel back in the gym already. Haven't heard of any new recruits yet?

Get Mr.Crotty out training with them. Himself and Pa O'Donavan should be given a fair shot in the league

tomwaterford · 18-10-2015 1:08pm

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Get Mr.Crotty out training with them. Himself and Pa O'Donavan should be given a fair shot in the league

Conor gleeson of FMW...worth a run....maybe there already??

archieknox · 18-10-2015 4:44pm

Tallow's name must be on the cup! Definitely didn't hurl in the first half and are still level! Must be pleased by that. Ballygunner 8 wides could be costly.

Mountainlad · 18-10-2015 5:18pm

David O sullivan man of the match is fairly ironic.

DiscoStew · 18-10-2015 9:43pm

Poor enough game today overall. Ballygunner were the better team throughout, hit around 14 wides to Tallows 3, could have won by more. Kept tallow in it in the first half really with some bad wides when tallow were offering absolutely nothing up front from play. Ryan Grey was outstanding on the frees for tallow in fairness to the young lad! Tallows persistence with playing short puck outs to their full back was strange when it wasn't working, especially when their keeper has a decent strike of the ball from what I've seen of him. Can't really overstate David O'Sullivan's impact on the game. He was every where and got some great long range scores. Must be questions surrounding how he came to be available for the game but my god did he make the most of it.
From county team point of view not sure was any new standout. David Sul has been on panel before, if was to make himself available certainly merit a panel place.
Thought Thomas Walsh reffed the game well. Big achievement for a young ref to get such a game and handled it well I thought.

Deise_2012 · 18-10-2015 10:42pm

DiscoStew wrote: »

Poor enough game today overall. Ballygunner were the better team throughout, hit around 14 wides to Tallows 3, could have won by more. Kept tallow in it in the first half really with some bad wides when tallow were offering absolutely nothing up front from play. Ryan Grey was outstanding on the frees for tallow in fairness to the young lad! Tallows persistence with playing short puck outs to their full back was strange when it wasn't working, especially when their keeper has a decent strike of the ball from what I've seen of him. Can't really overstate David O'Sullivan's impact on the game. He was every where and got some great long range scores. Must be questions surrounding how he came to be available for the game but my god did he make the most of it.
From county team point of view not sure was any new standout. David Sul has been on panel before, if was to make himself available certainly merit a panel place.
Thought Thomas Walsh reffed the game well. Big achievement for a young ref to get such a game and handled it well I thought.

If Modeligo won the Intermediate would he be banned from reffing the Senior Championship then?

HatchetMan7 · 19-10-2015 1:21am

archieknox wrote: »

Senior panel back in the gym already. Haven't heard of any new recruits yet?

Anyone want to throw out a few names of players who they think should be brought onto the senior hurling panel for next year. I'm not living in Ireland so don't get to see any club games anymore.

robopaddy2 · 19-10-2015 1:37am

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Anyone want to throw out a few names of players who they think should be brought onto the senior hurling panel for next year. I'm not living in Ireland so don't get to see any club games anymore.

I don’t beleive there’s too many outside the main core of players that we don’t already know about. For me its about hoping a few more ofthe u21/minors of the past couple years can step up. A few more scoring forwards perhaps. Curran of Dungarvan and the Bennett’s of Ballysaggart should play more pivotal roles next year as opposed to being bit-part players. DJ Foran of Portlaw is a guy I’d like see get a good run. Hes big, physical, plenty of ability and is still u21 next year so has time on his side. People mentioning Gleeson of FMW I think hes a bit off that level yet and are few other guys ahead of himin the pecking order imo.

Outside of that if I had to pick 2 stand out players from the senior championship who are not on the senior panel Id say David O’Sullivan and Thomas Ryan, both have been involved in the senior setup in the past and neither were quite good enough at the time to be honest. Wouldn’t have a problem with either being brought back into it though as you shouldn’t dismiss a player because of his age. Some guys improve later in their 20s.

DiscoStew · 19-10-2015 8:02am

Deise_2012 wrote: »

If Modeligo won the Intermediate would he be banned from reffing the Senior Championship then?

Don't think so. Wadding is Roanmore, Tommy Sullivan Cappoquin and both reffed senior games this year. Maybe his case would be slightly different as he is a player also? Generally they just give you games from the other group.

crazyman · 19-10-2015 8:40am

Apologies in advance for a bit of a rant, but is it just me, or was yesterday's final one of the drabbest county finals ever?

There was no music or any bit of an atmosphere in the stadium beforehand. Nor was there the usual band or parade before the game. I just thought the whole event seemed dead with no effort to liven the place up. Nothing to get the crowd going.

The standard of hurling was also well below par and has been all championship (any games I was at that is). However I don't blame the players for this as club hurling has now become a winter sport which can be difficult.

One other point -did anyone else notice Timmy O'Keefe refusing to move out of the way for a side line ball. He was standing almost on the pitch, and must have been 1 foot away from where it was to be taken, and when asked to stand back by the Ballygunner player he refused to move. WTF is his problem? Just looked awful.

DiscoStew · 19-10-2015 3:55pm

crazyman wrote: »

One other point -did anyone else notice Timmy O'Keefe refusing to move out of the way for a side line ball. He was standing almost on the pitch, and must have been 1 foot away from where it was to be taken, and when asked to stand back by the Ballygunner player he refused to move. WTF is his problem? Just looked awful.

Thought that very strange myself. He was like a dictator, thinking the game should be played around him.

Don't think anyone's gonna be too sorry to see the back of him. He's carry on has been very strange at times. Anyone hear potential candidates for the job?

The Dickler · 19-10-2015 5:57pm

Deise_2012 wrote: »

If Modeligo won the Intermediate would he be banned from reffing the Senior Championship then?

Delighted with the result but I actually thought he reffed the game to death.
Have to agree there was a lack of atmosphere before and for long periods of the game.
Nice piece in the programme penned by Fergal about his friend and comrade in arms "Foley". He was sadly missed yesterday.

archieknox · 19-10-2015 7:46pm

DiscoStew wrote: »

Thought that very strange myself. He was like a dictator, thinking the game should be played around him.

Don't think anyone's gonna be too sorry to see the back of him. He's carry on has been very strange at times. Anyone hear potential candidates for the job?

Pat Grant apparently is in pole position for the job. Agree with you that the out going man won't be missed by too many.

robopaddy2 · 19-10-2015 8:19pm

DiscoStew wrote: »

Thought that very strange myself. He was like a dictator, thinking the game should be played around him.

Don't think anyone's gonna be too sorry to see the back of him. He's carry on has been very strange at times. Anyone hear potential candidates for the job?

What arrogant childish behaviour from a guy thats supposed to set an example. I would have levelled him there and then had he refused to stand back. Wouldnt care about the repercussions. Hes been stealing a living in that job for too long. A complete fraud whose only in it for his own self gratification and alter ego. I hope the new person is a bit more about the people and not about condescending everyone that actually gives up their time and money for the love of the game

Alf Tupper · 19-10-2015 8:34pm

archieknox wrote: »

Pat Grant apparently is in pole position for the job. Agree with you that the out going man won't be missed by too many.

Plus ça change....

Mountainlad · 19-10-2015 9:13pm

Or the time he spent 10 minutes trying to get lads off the sideline and delayed a County semi I think it was a few years ago. Or this constant farce over fixtures despite his 'master' fixture list initiative.

robopaddy2 · 19-10-2015 10:39pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Or the time he spent 10 minutes trying to get lads off the sideline and delayed a County semi I think it was a few years ago. Or this constant farce over fixtures despite his 'master' fixture list initiative.

That was cringeworthy stuff. How ironic is it when the shoe was on the other foot on Sunday he refused to clear off out of the way. As for the 'master' fixture list well we have no representatives in the Munster senior club football championship this year, tells you all you need to know about the success of that. Lip-service is a word that springs to mind.

enoughtaken · 20-10-2015 7:41am

robopaddy2 wrote: »

That was cringeworthy stuff. How ironic is it when the shoe was on the other foot on Sunday he refused to clear off out of the way. As for the 'master' fixture list well we have no representatives in the Munster senior club football championship this year, tells you all you need to know about the success of that. Lip-service is a word that springs to mind.

Might have a representative in Munster Club Football. County Final down for Sunday week. Quarters this weekend, Semi's midweek and then County.

crazyman · 20-10-2015 7:57am

enoughtaken wrote: »

Might have a representative in Munster Club Football. County Final down for Sunday week. Quarters this weekend, Semi's midweek and then County.

That in itself is an insult to the players, particularly anyone who has to travel long distance midweek.

Heard a few months back from one of my mates involved with the Gaultier club that the Gaultier Juniors were to play the Brickies in a playoff to see who finishes 3rd or 4th in the group and to determine the quarter final line up. I think he said that the game was on directly after the same two clubs played a senior championship game, so the junior game was not taken too seriously as lads one have been on the senior panel which was the priority game. Anyway, Brickies won the junior playoff, meaning Gaultier finished 4th and would now play 1st place in the other group.
However, the club were then contacted by Timmy to tell them that the Co. Board had decided that the playoff was now a knockout and that Gaultier were now knocked out of the championship. The club tried to appeal this decision but the Co. Board proceeded to play the next round of fixtures before the appeal could be heard, so were basically told to f**k off by the good Timmy.
Personally I think that is shocking to treat players with such contempt and to just 'decide' they are now knocked out because of a possible fixture pile up. It's everything that's wrong with the GAA.
Good riddance to him.

archieknox · 20-10-2015 8:08am

crazyman wrote: »

That in itself is an insult to the players, particularly anyone who has to travel long distance midweek.

Heard a few months back from one of my mates involved with the Gaultier club that the Gaultier Juniors were to play the Brickies in a playoff to see who finishes 3rd or 4th in the group and to determine the quarter final line up. I think he said that the game was on directly after the same two clubs played a senior championship game, so the junior game was not taken too seriously as lads one have been on the senior panel which was the priority game. Anyway, Brickies won the junior playoff, meaning Gaultier finished 4th and would now play 1st place in the other group.
However, the club were then contacted by Timmy to tell them that the Co. Board had decided that the playoff was now a knockout and that Gaultier were now knocked out of the championship. The club tried to appeal this decision but the Co. Board proceeded to play the next round of fixtures before the appeal could be heard, so were basically told to f**k off by the good Timmy.
Personally I think that is shocking to treat players with such contempt and to just 'decide' they are now knocked out because of a possible fixture pile up. It's everything that's wrong with the GAA.
Good riddance to him.

Unbelievable? My god that is shocking. I'm amazed we didn't hear more about this but then seeing as it was a junior competition people won't give it the same recognition. Oh a proper little dictator that will be no loss to our association.

robopaddy2 · 20-10-2015 10:18am

crazyman wrote: »

That in itself is an insult to the players, particularly anyone who has to travel long distance midweek.

Heard a few months back from one of my mates involved with the Gaultier club that the Gaultier Juniors were to play the Brickies in a playoff to see who finishes 3rd or 4th in the group and to determine the quarter final line up. I think he said that the game was on directly after the same two clubs played a senior championship game, so the junior game was not taken too seriously as lads one have been on the senior panel which was the priority game. Anyway, Brickies won the junior playoff, meaning Gaultier finished 4th and would now play 1st place in the other group.
However, the club were then contacted by Timmy to tell them that the Co. Board had decided that the playoff was now a knockout and that Gaultier were now knocked out of the championship. The club tried to appeal this decision but the Co. Board proceeded to play the next round of fixtures before the appeal could be heard, so were basically told to f**k off by the good Timmy.
Personally I think that is shocking to treat players with such contempt and to just 'decide' they are now knocked out because of a possible fixture pile up. It's everything that's wrong with the GAA.
Good riddance to him.

Yea its called the 'Timmy rule'. The same way it was just 'decided' that Clashmore would remain intermediate this year despite losing the relegation playoff to go down junior last year. Ive said all I have to say except the sooner he disappears the better and trust me he will disappear the same way as he sprang from nowhere to get the county secretary gig.

thesultan · 20-10-2015 5:20pm

He forgot to book a band for the final. Why didn't they show it on TG4 last night?

archieknox · 20-10-2015 5:30pm

thesultan wrote: »

He forgot to book a band for the final. Why didn't they show it on TG4 last night?

Hahaha I take it that's tongue in cheek ðŸ‘…. Why was the Ballinacourty v the Nire football game cancelled tonight does anyone know?

Mountainlad · 20-10-2015 5:42pm

archieknox wrote: »

Hahaha I take it that's tongue in cheek ðŸ‘…. Why was the Ballinacourty v the Nire football game cancelled tonight does anyone know?

Did Ballinacourty not play Clashmore last night?

crazyman · 20-10-2015 6:18pm

archieknox wrote: »

Hahaha I take it that's tongue in cheek ðŸ‘…. Why was the Ballinacourty v the Nire football game cancelled tonight does anyone know?

Ballinacourty gave the nire a walkover.

archieknox · 20-10-2015 6:46pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Did Ballinacourty not play Clashmore last night?

Ballinacourty hammered them last week.

enoughtaken · 20-10-2015 8:31pm

crazyman wrote: »

Ballinacourty gave the nire a walkover.

The Nire win 3 way playoff without playing a match !!!

windy shepard henderson · 20-10-2015 9:32pm

enoughtaken wrote: »

The Nire win 3 way playoff without playing a match !!!

Doesn't bode too well for club football in the county, credit where it's due Waterford clubs are usually very competitive in the munster championships,

If it's true that the county board dismissed tg4's request to show the deferred coverage it's an absolute disgrace, especially with tallow making the final for the first time in years I believe

Mountainlad · 20-10-2015 9:35pm

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Doesn't bode too well for club football in the county, credit where it's due Waterford clubs are usually very competitive in the munster championships,

Ah it was a farce of a thing anyway, all three will now take there place in the quarter finals which they had qualified for anyway.

mickotallow · 20-10-2015 10:42pm

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Doesn't bode too well for club football in the county, credit where it's due Waterford clubs are usually very competitive in the munster championships,

If it's true that the county board dismissed tg4's request to show the deferred coverage it's an absolute disgrace, especially with tallow making the final for the first time in years I believe

I know for a fact their request was refused. Highlights were not even shown last night cos there were no cameras there. How's that promoting our game?

OEP · 20-10-2015 10:57pm

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Doesn't bode too well for club football in the county, credit where it's due Waterford clubs are usually very competitive in the munster championships,

If it's true that the county board dismissed tg4's request to show the deferred coverage it's an absolute disgrace, especially with tallow making the final for the first time in years I believe

It would have been of no benefit to Ballinacourty to play 3 games in a week. They should be very confident of being able to beat the Brickeys or Gaultire so it really makes no difference whether they finish 1st or 2nd in the group.

Hammer Archer · 21-10-2015 10:18am

Guys, I'd like to remind you all to read the note in the first post of the thread, particularly about abusing people personally (this includes county board officials). Feel free to criticise people involved in Waterford GAA but some of the posts are crossing the line and I'll have to hand out cards if it continues.

archieknox · 21-10-2015 3:12pm

Jason Ryan is rumoured to be getting involved in the Tipp hurling set up for the coming year. That could be interesting. Wasn't he mentioned as a possible manager before Derek took over?

The blue blaa · 21-10-2015 3:27pm

archieknox wrote: »

Jason Ryan is rumoured to be getting involved in the Tipp hurling set up for the coming year. That could be interesting. Wasn't he mentioned as a possible manager before Derek took over?

I'm led to believe he's going doing a dual club in wexico i was told that fortnight ago

archieknox · 21-10-2015 6:01pm

The blue blaa wrote: »

I'm led to believe he's going doing a dual club in wexico i was told that fortnight ago

Oh ok I will take your word on that my source wouldn't be the most reliable!!

robopaddy2 · 21-10-2015 9:17pm

archieknox wrote: »

Jason Ryan is rumoured to be getting involved in the Tipp hurling set up for the coming year. That could be interesting. Wasn't he mentioned as a possible manager before Derek took over?

Yra he was interviewed im not sure if it was the same time as derek or was it when skully was given it. A bit overrated as a manager. Was a bit of a disaster at Kildare really apparantly didnt have the dressing room at all. and had one really good year with Wexford back in 08 when he had the outstanding forward in the country in Mattie Forde. How he was being put forward for the senior hurling job was baffling thank god common sense prevailed.

Mountainlad · 21-10-2015 9:27pm

archieknox wrote: »

Jason Ryan is rumoured to be getting involved in the Tipp hurling set up for the coming year. That could be interesting. Wasn't he mentioned as a possible manager before Derek took over?

Coach for Tipp footballers is what I heard which would make a lot more sense. Paul Curran and Declan Fanning are going in with the hurlers so I'd say no more room at the inn there.

I'd be in the same boat as robopaddy, couldn't credit the thought of him going in as Senior hurling manager. Felt like one of those stories born in a pub that suddenly gained an unexpected wave of momentum.

hardybuck · 22-10-2015 9:57am

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Yra he was interviewed im not sure if it was the same time as derek or was it when skully was given it. A bit overrated as a manager. Was a bit of a disaster at Kildare really apparantly didnt have the dressing room at all. and had one really good year with Wexford back in 08 when he had the outstanding forward in the country in Mattie Forde. How he was being put forward for the senior hurling job was baffling thank god common sense prevailed.

Tad unfair. Had them in a Leinster final in 2011 when they lost by a goal which their keeper made a massive clanger for. Dublin won the All Ireland that year. They were in dire straights when he took the role, three other candidates didn't want it. Left them in much better condition than when they found him.

Kildare was certainly a difficult time. I get the impression that there was a bit of snobbery towards a fella from Waterford coming in which didn't help.

When he was rumoured to be a contender for the Waterford job we were in a similar position to the Wexford footballers - we were short on money and short on interested candidates.

robopaddy2 · 22-10-2015 11:45am

hardybuck wrote: »

Tad unfair. Had them in a Leinster final in 2011 when they lost by a goal which their keeper made a massive clanger for. Dublin won the All Ireland that year. They were in dire straights when he took the role, three other candidates didn't want it. Left them in much better condition than when they found him.

Kildare was certainly a difficult time. I get the impression that there was a bit of snobbery towards a fella from Waterford coming in which didn't help.

When he was rumoured to be a contender for the Waterford job we were in a similar position to the Wexford footballers - we were short on money and short on interested candidates.

But hes not a hurling man at all. Never even hurled with his club. He was interviewed for the job so it was more than just a pub rumour. Not denying he did good with Wexford footballers but its chalk and cheese. I think the fact that he was young, fresh faced and spoke well and from Waterford made him a credible candidate in some peoples eyes. It would have been a crazy gamble to give him the job and could have set us back years. He struggled to get to grips with Kildare a county that has decent resources. What would he have been able to bring to waterford, in hurling a sport he has no experience with.

hardybuck · 22-10-2015 11:51am

robopaddy2 wrote: »

But hes not a hurling man at all. Never even hurled with his club. He was interviewed for the job so it was more than just a pub rumour. Not denying he did good with Wexford footballers but its chalk and cheese. I think the fact that he was young, fresh faced and spoke well and from Waterford made him a credible candidate in some peoples eyes. It would have been a crazy gamble to give him the job and could have set us back years. He struggled to get to grips with Kildare a county that has decent resources. What would he have been able to bring to waterford, in hurling a sport he has no experience with.

I agree fully with your logic, but we were in pretty bad shape at the time.

Edit: To my knowledge he has played senior club hurling with his club.

Anyway, all irrelevant now.

deiseach · 22-10-2015 3:04pm

I was very much in the give-him-a-lash camp. Going for Queally or McGrath struck me as more of the same which wasn't going anywhere. How wrong can you be? Feel free to ignore anything I say from now on.

What was that? Oh. I see. Fair enough.

PTH2009 · 22-10-2015 8:03pm

http://munster.gaa.ie/2015/10/22/2016-munster-under-21-and-minor-hurling-football-draws/

Minor Hurlers- R1 vs Cork- Cork Venue
Minor Football-R1 vs Kerry- Waterford Venue

u21 hurlers- SF vs Clare- Waterford Venue
u21 Football- SF- Winners of Clare/Cork QF-Waterford Venue

archieknox · 22-10-2015 8:10pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

http://munster.gaa.ie/2015/10/22/2016-munster-under-21-and-minor-hurling-football-draws/

Minor Hurlers- R1 vs Cork- Cork Venue
Minor Football-R1 vs Kerry- Waterford Venue

u21 hurlers- SF vs Clare- Waterford Venue
u21 Football- SF- Winners of Clare/Cork QF-Waterford Venue

Nice draw for the u21's........with the proper management in charge of course.
Minor hurlers will be up against it away to a strong Cork outfit.(They're fancied to go all the way by alot of their knowledgeable supporters)

Deisegodeo · 22-10-2015 8:43pm

Did the minors not play Cork in Cork the last time they played?

thinkstoomuch1 · 22-10-2015 8:56pm

Deisegodeo wrote: »

Did the minors not play Cork in Cork the last time they played?

Yes they did and it was extra time the year they won the all ireland.
Unless something has changed it should be in waterford.

deiseach · 23-10-2015 9:36am

I'm thinking that they might be setting it up so the team that wins their first round tie automatically gets home advantage against whatever team loses their first round tie and comes through the Munster back door. This would be a retrospective thing as I'm pretty sure it hasn't applied before, but it is an incentive to win the first game as opposed to making it a souped-up challenge match. It would mean that Waterford's game with Cork in 2013 doesn't count towards the home-away arrangement?

armaghlad · 23-10-2015 7:35pm

Stradbally to win in the football this evening at 8? Priced at 1/9, is it a dead cert?

Cake Man · 24-10-2015 12:20am

Not a bad draw for the u21's, big chance to finally get to a Munster final. What players are overage next year for u21? We should still have a strong enough group of lads.

Minor is always a bit of a minefield, seems like we always end up getting away fixtures at this grade!
What's the minor team like for next year? I'm unfortunately going to assume the next few years we won't be too strong at this level if Harty cup, Tony Forristal and U16 development squads of the last 2-3 years are anything to go by. What stand out players have we? Is Thomas Douglas of DLS still a bit too young for minor? Billy Nolan possibly an outfield option.

Mountainlad · 24-10-2015 3:10am

Dunford, Bourke, Kieran Bennett and mcNulty are the players overage next year from this years starting u21 team v Cork.

culbaire · 24-10-2015 12:21pm

Cake Man wrote: »

Not a bad draw for the u21's, big chance to finally get to a Munster final. What players are overage next year for u21? We should still have a strong enough group of lads.

Minor is always a bit of a minefield, seems like we always end up getting away fixtures at this grade!
What's the minor team like for next year? I'm unfortunately going to assume the next few years we won't be too strong at this level if Harty cup, Tony Forristal and U16 development squads of the last 2-3 years are anything to go by. What stand out players have we? Is Thomas Douglas of DLS still a bit too young for minor? Billy Nolan possibly an outfield option.

This year's U-21 shambles must not be repeated if Waterford is serious about making progress at this level. A potential All Ireland was thrown away. A new manager and new selectors must be chosen. None of this year's management team deserves reappointment if the county is serious about making progress at this level.

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