Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

Thelonious Monk · 11-01-2021 12:21pm

Most cans these days are sold in mutlipacks anyway, so at least not much change there, apart from the craft 440ml cans which are ridiculous prices anyway.

SeeMoreBut · 11-01-2021 12:29pm

Shelflife wrote: »

Special offers arent banned but multibuy promotions which incentivises people to buy more alcohol is.

Eg You can no longer sell Lomza at €1.50 per single bottle and 4 for €5. but theres nothing to stop a business from selling the Lomza at €1.25.

I assume shops will just sell multipacks going forward of 8, 12, 24. Easier to manage the price.

"Craft beers" with the 4 for €10 mix and match will be gone as prices of a individual are all over the place

KrustyUCC · 11-01-2021 12:38pm

This is the type of nonsense you're up against

This is Stephen Donnolly

"These regulations will ensure that price promotions which result in the sale of alcohol products at pocket money prices cannot continue."

I'd love to know his definition of pocket money prices

He'd be shocked at the lower prices in other countries

In 2018 we had the 2nd highest consumer price level for alcohol in Europe

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20190906-1

Of course all this will do is make alcohol more expensive for everybody in society

KrustyUCC · 11-01-2021 12:41pm

SeeMoreBut wrote: »

I assume shops will just sell multipacks going forward of 8, 12, 24. Easier to manage the price.

"Craft beers" with the 4 for €10 mix and match will be gone as prices of a individual are all over the place

Yeah craft beer sales will definitely take a hit

Some of my favourites were always on the 4 for €10 so €2.50 a bottle

Individual price now €2.80 so it's a 12% increase thanks to the government

Atlantic Dawn · 11-01-2021 12:42pm

So for example if today Tesco wanted to sell 1 can of Guinness for €2 and sell 24 of those same cans for €24 that would be illegal but they could sell a specifically packaged 24 pack for €24 that would be ok?

Thelonious Monk · 11-01-2021 12:43pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah craft beer sales will definitely take a hit

Some of my favourites were always on the 4 for €10 so €2.50 a bottle

Individual price now €2.80 so it's a 12% increase thanks to the government

At least lidl and aldi crafts will stay the same price, they have some good ones these days too.

Shelflife · 11-01-2021 12:44pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah craft beer sales will definitely take a hit

Some of my favourites were always on the 4 for €10 so €2.50 a bottle

Individual price now €2.80 so it's a 12% increase thanks to the government

Theres nothing to stop a shop from selling the craft beer at €2.50 each .

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

So for example if today Tesco wanted to sell 1 can of Guinness for €2 and sell 24 of those same cans for €24 that would be illegal but they could sell a specifically packaged 24 pack for €24 that would be ok?

Yes

KrustyUCC · 11-01-2021 12:47pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

At least lidl and aldi crafts will stay the same price, they have some good ones these days too.

Yeah that's true for the moment

I'm a big fan of the Lidl Crafty Brewing IPA

I can see the pressure to introduce MUP without Northern Ireland mounting now these latest restrictions are in force

11-01-2021 12:50pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

This is the type of nonsense you're up against

This is Stephen Donnolly

"These regulations will ensure that price promotions which result in the sale of alcohol products at pocket money prices cannot continue."

I'd love to know his definition of pocket money prices

He'd be shocked at the lower prices in other countries

In 2018 we had the 2nd highest consumer price level for alcohol in Europe

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20190906-1

Of course all this will do is make alcohol more expensive for everybody in society

Pocket money prices. Give me a f**king break.

KrustyUCC · 11-01-2021 12:51pm

Yeah it's a great sound bite

Obviously he has so much money any increase won't bother him

Richard Hillman · 11-01-2021 12:55pm

Simon Donnolly doesn't seem like the type of person that buys alcohol in a Supermarket abroad. It's the wine list on the menu without prices

listermint · 11-01-2021 12:56pm

Shelflife wrote: »

Theres nothing to stop a shop from selling the craft beer at €2.50 each .

Yes

Yeah blah blah blah.

The shops won't do that because they can blame he government rules.

Rules like these always mean the consumer is Shafted. It's on the government. Retail will do what retail does and covers it up under the new legislation.

Net result is increased prices for premium products as was always said would happen.

Thelonious Monk · 11-01-2021 1:20pm

I just don't know why no politician will speak out against this. If one of them was to say how ridiculous it all was and that we should be treated like adults, and that the public would overwhelmingly reject all of this, people would have the greatest respect for them.
The whole thing is just bizarre, what is their agenda?

Marcusm · 11-01-2021 1:26pm

Shelflife wrote: »

Special offers arent banned but multibuy promotions which incentivises people to buy more alcohol is.

Eg You can no longer sell Lomza at €1.50 per single bottle and 4 for €5. but theres nothing to stop a business from selling the Lomza at €1.25.

Is there anything to stop them selling a 4 can multipack for €5?

YFlyer · 11-01-2021 1:50pm

That doctor on Newstalk just recently couldn't answer a question.

Quackster · 11-01-2021 1:54pm

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Marcusm wrote: »

Is there anything to stop them selling a 4 can multipack for €5?

No. Hopefully we'll see a lot more craft-beer multipacks.

KrustyUCC · 11-01-2021 1:57pm

Right on queue good old Eunan McKinney

Alcohol Action Ireland is calling for "the immediate implementation of minimum pricing of alcohol products, which has been interminably delayed by government inertia".

Am no it hasn't

It's been delayed as the Northern Ireland Executive hasn't MUP and would result in plenty of trips over the border to buy alcohol

Thelonious Monk · 11-01-2021 3:44pm

Why do these people get so much air time? Why must the government kowtow to whatever these muppets say?
Argh.

KrustyUCC · 11-01-2021 5:29pm

The campaign has well and truly started

Listening to Newstalk on the way home and they had Jonathan Healy presenting

Straight into todays measures aren't enough when you can sell 24 cans for €24 euros even though he availed of all the alcohol deals himself before Christmas

Alcohol is too cheap over here according to Healy

Funny he didn't like it when it was pointed out that we have amongst the highest alcohol price in Europe

Ah but not as much as the Scandinavians says Healy

Yes but higher than the majority of the rest in the EU

Eunan McKinney and Co have an open goal with our media who never question him with regards to price as they want it increased themselves

Snickers Man · 11-01-2021 6:00pm

kerryjack wrote: »

Bought 25 cans of bud in lidl for 15 euro before Christmas just finished up last can today
jesus it was pure pisss

How old are you? How can any sentient being above the age of 18 NOT know that Bud is pure piss?
They even hint at it in their TV ads: all those slow motion shots of horses galloping in the wild. Subliminal message: This beer tastes like horse piss.
So now you know

Snickers Man · 11-01-2021 6:14pm

kenmc wrote: »

Agreed.they need to STFU, if they can't then I'm sure they would find the UAE and similar countries more to their mindset.

Here's where they live!

Alcohol Action Ireland
Coleraine House
Coleraine Street
Dublin

Write them a letter. Everybody. NB, not an email. Give them something to trip over in the morning!

Snickers Man · 11-01-2021 6:18pm

bodhrandude wrote: »

My housemates would be big Prazsky drinkers used to buying the 4 pack (5 euro) or 8 pack (10 euro), does this mean they'll be paying the same price I pay for my 4 pack of Guinness. 4 pack of Guinness normally is 8 euro or 12/13 for the 8 pack.

If this means that I no longer get my "four for the price of three" bottles of my beloved Guiness West Indian Porter, I'll be pissed off!

10000maniacs · 11-01-2021 6:32pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The campaign has well and truly started

Listening to Newstalk on the way home and they had Jonathan Healy presenting

Straight into todays measures aren't enough when you can sell 24 cans for €24 euros even though he availed of all the alcohol deals himself before Christmas

Alcohol is too cheap over here according to Healy

Funny he didn't like it when it was pointed out that we have amongst the highest alcohol price in Europe

Ah but not as much as the Scandinavians says Healy

Yes but higher than the majority of the rest in the EU

Eunan McKinney and Co have an open goal with our media who never question him with regards to price as they want it increased themselves

Everybody in the Dail has somebody directly or indirectly associated with the pub trade. Currently we have the highest prices for alcohol in Europe. When the Minimum pricing legislation is enforced, it will be double that again.
It's all hyperbole. They don't give a monkeys about anybody's health.
This is Fine Gaels stance in black and white.

Snickers Man · 11-01-2021 7:39pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah craft beer sales will definitely take a hit

Some of my favourites were always on the 4 for €10 so €2.50 a bottle

Individual price now €2.80 so it's a 12% increase thanks to the government

Shelflife wrote: »

Theres nothing to stop a shop from selling the craft beer at €2.50 each .

Until minimum unit pricing comes in! :mad:

Temptamperu · 11-01-2021 7:50pm

Been drinking since breakfast... **** the government.

Shelflife · 11-01-2021 9:18pm

There’s a beautiful irony in the fact that Alcohol action Ireland is funded with our tax euros to the tune of approx €250k. Per year !

So our taxes are being used to lobby and do PR on behalf of us for something that most of us don’t want !!

Zebra3 · 11-01-2021 9:42pm

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Shelflife wrote: »

There’s a beautiful irony in the fact that Alcohol action Ireland is funded with our tax euros to the tune of approx €250k. Per year !

So our taxes are being used to lobby and do PR on behalf of us for something that most of us don’t want !!

Why are this mob being given taxpayer money?

Do we not have a Dept of Health that speaks up on health related matters?

Shelflife · 11-01-2021 10:09pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Why are this mob being given taxpayer money?

Do we not have a Dept of Health that speaks up on health related matters?

HSE fund them.

They are a registered charity.

Pythagorean · 11-01-2021 10:34pm

Not only have the killjoys taken away one of the few cost savers for the hard pressed customer, but they have forced supermarkets to install ridiculous and pointless swing doors to cordon off the drinks section. It seems that a new form of Puritanism is beginning to affect policy decisions, which should be based on reason, not on silly ideas like this.

Antares35 · 11-01-2021 11:18pm

I can't drink at the moment but when I can (and hopefully when we see the back of covid) I'll be going to France to fill up. Even if it costs the same or slightly more than it would have here, I'd do it just so as not to give the fúckers a cent.

KrustyUCC · 11-01-2021 11:18pm

10000maniacs wrote: »

Everybody in the Dail has somebody directly or indirectly associated with the pub trade. Currently we have the highest prices for alcohol in Europe. When the Minimum pricing legislation is enforced, it will be double that again.
It's all hyperbole. They don't give a monkeys about anybody's health.
This is Fine Gaels stance in black and white.

Exactly

They could enact no below cost selling and it would still be cheaper than MUP so they're going even further than they were originally going

That Fine Gael proposal to save the pubs is now being dressed up as a public health measure

kenmc · 11-01-2021 11:32pm

Snickers Man wrote: »

Here's where they live!

Alcohol Action Ireland
Coleraine House
Coleraine Street
Dublin

Write them a letter. Everybody. NB, not an email. Give them something to trip over in the morning!

Money be better spent gofundme-ing all the stamp money together and buying them 1-way tickets off the planet.

Capt'n Midnight · 11-01-2021 11:56pm

Shelflife wrote: »

HSE fund them.

They are a registered charity.

So they take more money from the HSE than will be raised for the HSE by all these new measures, even the proposed ones ?

Fr Tod Umptious · 12-01-2021 12:31am

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Exactly

They could enact no below cost selling and it would still be cheaper than MUP so they're going even further than they were originally going

That Fine Gael proposal to save the pubs is now being dressed up as a public health measure

I'll ask the question again.

If FG are so inclined to save the pubs why have they kept them shut for the best part of a year ?

We've heard plenty from the LVF and the VFI over the past months pleading to be allowed open again and about how pubs are safer than house parties etc yet the government (FG being a common denominator in both governments) have not budged.

Mimon · 12-01-2021 12:42am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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I'll ask the question again.

If FG are so inclined to save the pubs why have they kept them shut for the best part of a year ?

We've heard plenty from the LVF and the VFI over the past months pleading to be allowed open again and about how pubs are safer than house parties etc yet the government (FG being a common denominator in both governments) have not budged.

Shows that they are taking a pandemic caused by a virus that spreads like wildfire in social settings seriously and have no choice but to close them.

Not sure what kind of answer you are looking for, it seems pretty obvious.

L1011 · 12-01-2021 8:38pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Exactly

They could enact no below cost selling and it would still be cheaper than MUP so they're going even further than they were originally going

That Fine Gael proposal to save the pubs is now being dressed up as a public health measure

Banning below cost selling might put the price of a super-discounted slab up a few quid (if even) and would mostly hit the cheapest spirits and wines in supermarkets; nothing else. Lidl are losing money on their 13 quid gin and 3.50 wine for instance.

That wouldn't satisfy the neo-prohibitionists enough; although it might shut the publicans up (briefly).

And who allowed below-cost selling of alcohol, which had been illegal for decades? Michael Martin!

patrickbrophy18 · 12-01-2021 9:49pm

Once again, punish the many for the mistakes of the few. Now, this proposal is obviously nothing new as it was passed into law about 2 years ago. It originated as a way to tackle the below cost selling of alcohol to keep the pub trade in business as per the Fine Gael manifesto of 2011 which is referenced above. I've also provided a link to the original manifesto below.

Over the years, they changed the wording of it by imbuing it with a social justice message in the form of public health and safety.

COVID has acted as a distraction of sorts to rush these measures through alright. It was also introduced along with the no take-away pints rule resulting in many people thinking it is part of the same set of measures.

Either way, the consumer is being punished. I'm a firm believer or free market capitalism and alcohol should be no exception. Suffice to say, I certainly know who I won't be voting for in future elections. This is just one out of many examples of virtue signalling from the Dail.

http://michaelpidgeon.com/manifestos/docs/fg/Fine%20Gael%20GE%202011.pdf

Thelonious Monk · 12-01-2021 11:41pm

Who can you vote for, they were all in favour of this?

Mimon · 12-01-2021 11:43pm

Snickers Man wrote: »

Until minimum unit pricing comes in! :mad:

Won't affect craft beers. It is to target being able to get a can of piss lager for 70c.

elperello · 12-01-2021 11:56pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Who can you vote for, they were all in favour of this?

True, they all think it will be best for us to pay more for our drink.

The only voice raised against it was in the Senate where Prof Sean Barrett from Trinity pointed out the folly of gifting the extra we will pay to the drinks trade.

Being an economist he saw through the nonsense.

As to who to vote for, maybe pick an Independent with an outside chance and hope for he best.

ohnonotgmail · 13-01-2021 12:11am

Mimon wrote: »

Won't affect craft beers. It is to target being able to get a can of piss lager for 70c.

It will effect everything. if the price of the cheapest beer goes up they will raise the price of more expensive beers to maintain the price differential.

elperello · 13-01-2021 12:20am

Mimon wrote: »

Won't affect craft beers. It is to target being able to get a can of piss lager for 70c.

We won't know for sure until they set the price.

It could affect drinks up the price range.

Besides, a bit of solidarity wouldn't go astray, if some one wants to drink cheap lager that's their business

Furthermore during the recent Christmas sales some very popular brands were sold very cheap.

10000maniacs · 13-01-2021 1:48am

I wonder what the EU think of price fixing like this in a single market?
I'm sure the German and Polish brewers like Bavaria and Tyskie would have something to say about it.
I sure would if I were them.

AllForIt · 13-01-2021 2:08am

As a health issue I'm conflicted on this one.

On the one hand I do think the state should step in and tackle the obesity crisis through taxation.

And alcohol is a massive factor in obesity. Drinking high calorie drinks is one of the worst things you can do for your weight and health. You can pile on the pounds without eating anything.

But i'm uncomfortable with targeting a specific highly calorific product such as alcohol. It would be no different that targeting sausages or fried chicken or any other specific food product. And I would argue eating crappy food day in day out is far worse than a weekend alcohol binge.

edit: those that have an alcohol problem, those that drink most days, well that's a substance abuse issue, and I don't think that can be fixed by simply raising the minimum alcohol pricing.

Mimon · 13-01-2021 2:19am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It will effect everything. if the price of the cheapest beer goes up they will raise the price of more expensive beers to maintain the price differential.

The way he was talking it would directly effect them which it won't. You are just guessing what might happen.

Mimon · 13-01-2021 2:21am

elperello wrote: »

We won't know for sure until they set the price.

It could affect drinks up the price range.

Besides, a bit of solidarity wouldn't go astray, if some one wants to drink cheap lager that's their business

Furthermore during the recent Christmas sales some very popular brands were sold very cheap.

The 70 cent lagers are definitely not good for anyone's health. Glow in the dark from Chernobyl grown barley :pac:

Geuze · 13-01-2021 2:21am

10000maniacs wrote: »

I'm sure the German and Polish brewers like Bavaria and Tyskie

Bavaria is Dutch, although I don't know why a Dutch brewer has the same name as a state in Germany

https://swinkelsfamilybrewers.com/en/about-us/our-manifesto.html

Geuze · 13-01-2021 2:26am

AllForIt wrote: »

As a health issue I'm conflicted on this one.

On the one hand I do think the state should step in and tackle the obesity crisis through taxation.

And alcohol is a massive factor in obesity. Drinking high calorie drinks is one of the worst things you can do for your weight and health. You can pile on the pounds without eating anything.

There is zero fat in beer.

I read a Beamish label recently, and was happy to see 0% fat and 0% sugar.

Yes, beer is full of calories, yes.

But I wonder is beer such a contributor to obesity?

Part of the problem, yes.

A major part of the problem, I don't think so?

I would point the finger more at:

chocolate
pizzas loaded with cheese
pies
pastries
etc., etc.

I suspect beer contributes to obesity more in men than women?

PTH2009 · 13-01-2021 2:33am

places selling cans/bottles for €1-€4 each some of which would of been in the 3/4 for €10 etc

This new rule is such an annoyance and a bit pointless

Fr Tod Umptious · 13-01-2021 8:20am

10000maniacs wrote: »

I wonder what the EU think of price fixing like this in a single market?
I'm sure the German and Polish brewers like Bavaria and Tyskie would have something to say about it.
I sure would if I were them.

Scotland introduced MUP a few years ago and I believe there were a number of EU investigations and court cases about it's validity before it was finally introduced.

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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