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Women in Ireland working for free from today until 31 December

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    #32
    Keyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    More unsubstantiated BS on this ridiculous topic. Until someone gives me a detailed study on the gender income disparity they can bollox off.

    And I mean detailed, really detailed.


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    #33
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    There's nothing worse than someone trying to put material or financial value on a man or woman who enjoys being at home and doing domestic chores.

    Undermining people's ability to be domestic by, putting a price on it.

    The end is nigh lol

    Bring back the horse too while ye are on track...


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    #34
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/1111/1089986-women-working-for-free/ This is disgraceful! When are the patriarchy going to stop the ridiculous gender stereotyping of women and pay them the same as men!! :mad:

    I work agreed hours a week for an agreed hourly rate. I’m happy with that. So is my boss. Males of the species in the same job get the same hourly rate. It’s been thus since the early 80’s. If I felt that I was worth more, then I’d seek better paid employment.


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    #35
    irelandrover
    Registered Users Posts: 3,696 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    Why did none point out in these threads that men work on average 7 years longer than women. That has a huge effect on the average salary.


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    #36
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    irelandrover wrote: »
    Why did none point out in these threads that men work on average 7 years longer than women. That has a huge effect on the average salary.

    Because we don’t want actual facts and reality interfering with an opportunity to moan about the non existent oppressor we glibly refer to as the patriarchy.


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    #37
    malinheader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Dee Forbes, Miriam o callaghan etc. Should get a rise immediately.


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    #38
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Because we don’t want actual facts and reality interfering with an opportunity to moan about the non existent oppressor we glibly refer to as the patriarchy.

    Patriarchy's sounds like a monster or a high priest or somefink


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    #39
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,376 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    nthclare wrote: »
    Patriarchy's sounds like a monster or a high priest or somefink

    No, its a big hair metal band.


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    #40
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,107 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    They say a woman's work is never done.


    Perhaps it might help them if they got some training on time management




    (Joke...keep your knickers on)


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    #41
    careless sherpa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭careless sherpa


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Housework "comes naturally". Jesus

    I wouldn't say housework comes naturally but the accompanying nagging about it certainly does


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    #42
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Its a childcare gap. Women who don’t have kids never experience this at all.

    This push to say you can be mother of the year and CEO is complete crap and a complete slap in the face to people who dedicate their lives to their careers. This only serves to hurt childless women.


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    #43
    generalgerry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭generalgerry


    F**k that, since we're all equal, I'm a man but I want equal rights to carrying a child. By not permitting me to carry my own child, the state is discriminating against me.


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    #44
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    dont childless women and lesbians earn the most amount of money?


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    #45
    thomas 123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,597 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Typical RTÉ, Rich vs poor, men vs woman.

    In tomorrow’s news a special report on how tough life is for the next minority. Followed by how carbon tax will save the world.

    Yawn...


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    #46
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    dont childless women and lesbians earn the most amount of money?

    Yes, theres already a bit of a bonus to womens pay tp male up for the eventual ‘gap’ in a lot of circumstances , so women who dont have children and childless lesbians reap rewards at present.

    Any attempt to ‘correct’ the gap would leave them worse off but have the surprising boost to men who have children to take all the paternity leave they wouldnt have been arsed taking as theres no point in them being dedicated to their career since you just get handed the money for not putting the work in anyway.


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    #47
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    Someone is on a nice little earner, paid to spout that rubbish.


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    #48
    Vote4Napoleon
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    A genuine question, if a man is the sole earner and his wages are used to the benefit of the family be it if there are kids or whatever and the wife has free access to the wages is she deemed to be unpaid for her housework?


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    #49
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Vote4Napoleon wrote: »
    A genuine question, if a man is the sole earner and his wages are used to the benefit of the family be it if there are kids or whatever and the wife has free access to the wages is she deemed to be unpaid for her housework?
    yes


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    #50
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    "The homemaker has the ultimate career. All other careers exist for one purpose only - and that is to support the ultimate career." - CS Lewis

    Just putting the cat among the pigeons with that little quote. Heh :) I saw it recently and it gave me pause for thought.

    I see an essential truth in the quote in that society is made up of people and people have all been raised by parent(s) or care givers usually in homes, and good raising of people in good homes makes for happier people and a happier society. Or at least conversely poor homelife and shoddy home making leads to problems in society. For everyone.

    Am not saying it is the whole of the truth but it is part of the truth. A part that people feel a bit sheepish to advocate on behalf of now that individual hedonism and materialism has been elevated as forming a potentially higher purpose.

    Examples - One big issue that is much under investigated are fatherless homes. Homeless children is another topical issue. Time poverty is another, a lack of time with ones children. Etc

    Whether one has a partner or children or not most people by their work are contributing towards a hopefully more stable society that has the possibility of functioning homes and the possibility of good rearing of the next generation at its heart. Because everyone ultimately benefits from that. Less crime, more service, less unhappiness, more inspiration and innovation.
    No one benefits from the weakening of societal fabric and bonds. Everyone plays a part.

    PS Homemakers should be paid, dagnabbit!

    PPS The gender pay gap is a myth. People earn the same per hour, for the same work, otherwise it is illegal.


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    #51
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    http://dressforsuccessdublin.org/our-board-2/

    Only women on this not very diverse board.


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    #52
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    biko wrote: »
    http://dressforsuccessdublin.org/our-board-2/

    Only women on this not very diverse board.

    That was the one who was on the Niall Boylan show today making a bit of a clown out of herself, she refused to debate Larrissa Nolan and would only go on the show if she was allowed free reign to make her points, most of which were Feminism buzz words and phrases and when asked, repeatedly, she failed to name one single firm who pays women 30% less than men.

    She is a moron!

    Larrissa Nolan was very articulate and could refer to a number of studies and was extremely critical of this continuing damaging narrative!


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    #53
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Gynoid wrote: »
    "The homemaker has the ultimate career. All other careers exist for one purpose only - and that is to support the ultimate career." - CS Lewis

    Just putting the cat among the pigeons with that little quote. Heh :) I saw it recently and it gave me pause for thought.

    I see an essential truth in the quote in that society is made up of people and people have all been raised by parent(s) or care givers usually in homes, and good raising of people in good homes makes for happier people and a happier society. Or at least conversely poor homelife and shoddy home making leads to problems in society. For everyone.

    Am not saying it is the whole of the truth but it is part of the truth. A part that people feel a bit sheepish to advocate on behalf of now that individual hedonism and materialism has been elevated as forming a potentially higher purpose.

    Examples - One big issue that is much under investigated are fatherless homes. Homeless children is another topical issue. Time poverty is another, a lack of time with ones children. Etc

    Whether one has a partner or children or not most people by their work are contributing towards a hopefully more stable society that has the possibility of functioning homes and the possibility of good rearing of the next generation at its heart. Because everyone ultimately benefits from that. Less crime, more service, less unhappiness, more inspiration and innovation.
    No one benefits from the weakening of societal fabric and bonds. Everyone plays a part.

    PS Homemakers should be paid, dagnabbit!

    PPS The gender pay gap is a myth. People earn the same per hour, for the same work, otherwise it is illegal.

    There has been a massive rise in the amount of people taking anti depressants over the last number of years, and women are more than twice as likely to be on them than men.

    Can anyone say that we are a happier society because it seems we are increasing dealing with an anxiety epidemic, I like you, am beginning to wonder the root cause of it all...I could very well be wrong, but having to manage a career and raise kids simultaneously is a very hard thing to be able to do, for fathers and mothers! If someone thinks they can have it all, they are wrong!


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    #54
    [Deleted User]
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    Dress for success seems like a vehicle to increase their own profiles.


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    #55
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,107 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    biko wrote: »
    http://dressforsuccessdublin.org/our-board-2/

    Only women on this not very diverse board.


    I think you're wrong there man. Surely the Chairperson is a man dressed as a woman and using a woman's name. That's fairly diverse - Dress for success!


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    #56
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    More feminist crap, would it have anything to do with women working lesser paid jobs , all of my friends would earn more than their partners except one. Why dont these women who claim to be earning less than men , get up off their arse and set up their own company's . Women are half the population on this planet so they should get plenty of business from all the disenfranchised women around the world .


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    #57
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    kildare lad wrote: »
    More feminist crap, would it have anything to do with women working lesser paid jobs , all of my friends would earn more than their partners except one. Why dont these women who claim to be earning less than men , get up off their arse and set up their own company's . Women are half the population on this planet so they should get plenty of business from all the disenfranchised women around the world .

    i think most women are well aware how this works. What these people are campaigning for is for women to be able to take 2 years off to have kids, leave work early to do the school run, take time off for every doctors apointment and play, come in late every rainy day and still have the same odds of promotion and same salary as the man or woman who was in early and home late every day and barely used their holiday days.


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    #58
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    Why don't women just identify as men at work , and they'll get the same pay . Gender pay gap solved


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    #59
    NSAman
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    kildare lad wrote: »
    Why don't women just identify as men at work , and they'll get the same pay . Gender pay gap solved

    Better still, why don't they identify as the Boss and get the same money as the boss? Seems to be the "thing" to do now, identify as something and you become that "thing".....I personally identify as a billionaire, yet I still have only a few quid in the bank..;)


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    #60
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    i think most women are well aware how this works. What these people are campaigning for is for women to be able to take 2 years off to have kids, leave work early to do the school run, take time off for every doctors apointment and play, come in late every rainy day and still have the same odds of promotion and same salary as the man or woman who was in early and home late every day and barely used their holiday days.

    Most feminists don't live in the real world tho. Anytime I hear you talking on the radio I change the channel . Trying eke out a living after spending 4 years in college doing gender studies .


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    #61
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    I think you're wrong there man. Surely the Chairperson is a man dressed as a woman and using a woman's name. That's fairly diverse - Dress for success!

    And always make sure you're standing under the golden arches :)


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