Quinn Director abducted and assaulted

John_Rambo · 20-09-2019 9:03pm

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Version I've heard floating about here is that Lunney isn't exactly sparkly clean himself, and now that he's got where he is, he's not playing ball anymore.

That's business. You don't get that far up the corporate ladder without breaking a few eggs to make that big omelette. Having to revert to violence shows business ineptitude and desperation.

Sofiztikated · 20-09-2019 9:16pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

That's business. You don't get that far up the corporate ladder without breaking a few eggs to make that big omelette. Having to revert to violence shows business ineptitude and desperation.

More along the lines of him being not adverse to using their services previously.

Millionaire only not · 20-09-2019 9:23pm

Patrick2010 wrote: »

We know who is behind all this even if they are trying to say it’s nothing to do with them, who else has anything to gain from it.
The Garda and psni should flood the area on both sides of the border and get these guys, otherwise we have conceded control to the I R A.
Who was the poor guy that was beaten to death in a barn because he stood up to the local Provo head? Was anyone ever charged?

We have conceded control to the IRA
Well I know little or nothing about ira -dup/inla/- but that’s there territory same as if anyone vents into my area , or anyone vents into the different parts of limerick or Dublin !
It’s all the same thing , I’d imagine looking at the news there’s a big protestant / catholic element to this !

Didn’t think Quinn would have had Protestants in the company maybe he was playing all sides and lost !

And I’m not biast or any off the above ,I don’t give a monkeys if ur black white pink catholic/ protestant

John_Rambo · 20-09-2019 9:25pm

Sofiztikated wrote: »

More along the lines of him being not adverse to using their services previously.

? This is a "there is no reason I can't give you why you can not award the try" moment. Can you elaborate in simple English for my simple brain please?

Millionaire only not · 20-09-2019 9:34pm

Well obviously people are not told the whole truth- Sean Quinn was in there working and he was let go or left so there must have been friction .
Now u don’t bring back the previous owner- bar they had some arrangement in place !
Like all stories u need to hear both sides!
But if u mix catholic and Protestants -ex ira and uvf/uda u can be sure it’s not going to be a nice stew .

irishproduce · 20-09-2019 11:56pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Sorry I'm with you on this.

I haven't a clue who is doing what in these attacks. Everyone is beating around the bush and hinting at this and that, but can anyone explain exactly what is happening and why?

OK, I'm going to guess these attacks are all the work of ex-IRA men. That's probably safe to say, no?

But what have they against the directors of the company? This is where I get lost.

Some are hinting that the Quinn family are behind the attacks, so are they meant to be hiring thugs to dish out beatings of the company just because old Sean ran up massive debts and had the company taken off him, and he's huffing?

If this isn't true, and the Quinn's have condemned the attacks, then why are they happening? What is the talk of UVF/UDA? How are they involved?

If anyone doesn't want to post public;y, I'd love a PM!

Me too. I do not know what is going on.
Is someone in the know able to spell it out?
Like if you sat down with Charlie Flanagan after a few pints and he said "Let me tell you what is going on here, that is not being reported..."

PM welcome if it can't be said in forum.

Patrick2010 · 21-09-2019 12:01am

Sofiztikated wrote: »

More along the lines of him being not adverse to using their services previously.

You’re accusing him of using the ra any proof?
But you accept they were involved?

ChikiChiki · 21-09-2019 7:46am

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Panrich wrote: »

I'd imagine that Quinn and his businesses created an economic environment that allowed some underhand dealings to exist in the shadow of legitimate activity. Once there was a new sheriff in town after Quinn lost his companies, a lot of the shadow in which these illegal activities operated disappeared.

Version I've heard floating about here is that Lunney isn't exactly sparkly clean himself, and now that he's got where he is, he's not playing ball anymore.

1/10 for effort.

Danzy · 21-09-2019 10:22am

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Well obviously people are not told the whole truth- Sean Quinn was in there working and he was let go or left so there must have been friction .
Now u don’t bring back the previous owner- bar they had some arrangement in place !
Like all stories u need to hear both sides!
But if u mix catholic and Protestants -ex ira and uvf/uda u can be sure it’s not going to be a nice stew .

If you mix up stories and imaginations and then mix up a tube of glue and your asthma inhaler before going on line, it's a quare stew alright.

BarryD2 · 21-09-2019 11:13am

Did a bit of work up in that area in the Celtic Tiger years. The Quinn empire was very notable - lots of fingers in different pies etc. What was also notable among some of the local people I talked to then was that the family were both revered and feared. Not feared in a physical sense but in that you could just as easily be fired as hired. One story about a lorry driver who overdid his lunch break and the lorry was spotted by the boss passing by who summarily fired him on the spot. Lot of power invested in a small group of people then.

mgn · 21-09-2019 12:30pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

Did a bit of work up in that area in the Celtic Tiger years. The Quinn empire was very notable - lots of fingers in different pies etc. What was also notable among some of the local people I talked to then was that the family were both revered and feared. Not feared in a physical sense but in that you could just as easily be fired as hired. One story about a lorry driver who overdid his lunch break and the lorry was spotted by the boss passing by who summarily fired him on the spot. Lot of power invested in a small group of people then.

You don't become a billionaire by being a walkover or doing what unions want you to do.

CatFromHue · 21-09-2019 12:37pm

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Well obviously people are not told the whole truth- Sean Quinn was in there working and he was let go or left so there must have been friction .
Now u don’t bring back the previous owner- bar they had some arrangement in place !

One of the reasons they had to finally get rid of Quinn, after trying to get him to help the company, was that during the boom years he set up an investment company where people in the area could put money in and he'd guarantee a return. He was putting this money into shares in Anglo so by 2010 or so they were worthless. Quinn was taking money out of the company, which was in a very bad state, to pay these people back.

What people are forgetting is how bad the Quinn group was performing and came close to folding completely. Someone on twitter put it best that the people who took over after Quinn left should be getting medals, not bullets.

Millionaire only not · 21-09-2019 1:16pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

1/10 for effort.

He seems awful close to that foster one!

tdf7187 · 21-09-2019 2:10pm

mgn wrote: »

You don't become a billionaire by being a walkover or doing what unions want you to do.

I doubt if he was ever a billionaire.

Muahahaha · 21-09-2019 3:04pm

Indo reporting that there has been over 70 incidents in the last two years and that a Quinn executive rang the Gardai last year to report a death threat he received to and basically got fobbed off. Definite line of enquiry focussing on dissident republicans with connections to the gang being investigated for the spate of ATM robberies up there.

walshb · 21-09-2019 3:09pm

I may have missed, but have Sinn Fein been very quiet on this as regards comment and/or utter condemnation?

Breege_M · 21-09-2019 3:24pm

walshb wrote: »

I may have missed, but have Sinn Fein been very quiet on this as regards comment and/or utter condemnation?

So too have Brian D’Arcy, Colm O’Rourke and Mickey Harte.

tdf7187 · 21-09-2019 3:43pm

Alan Dukes saying he and Mike Aynsley received threatening communications when IBRC took over assets of Quinn.

tdf7187 · 21-09-2019 3:44pm

Breege_M wrote: »

So too have Brian D’Arcy, Colm O’Rourke and Mickey Harte.

Sinn Fein are a big political presence in the border areas. Doesn't seem unreasonable for them to be asked to comment.

21-09-2019 4:11pm

tdf7187 wrote: »

Alan Dukes saying he and Mike Aynsley received threatening communications when IBRC took over assets of Quinn.

Their was plenty of fur flying when the receivers were in charge, threats, vehicles stolen, equipment damaged etc etc. The whole place had security round it like never before.

It was supposed to calm down when Quinn and the boys got back in charge and I think most of the security has been removed.

Danzy · 21-09-2019 4:40pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Indo reporting that there has been over 70 incidents in the last two years and that a Quinn executive rang the Gardai last year to report a death threat he received to and basically got fobbed off. Definite line of enquiry focussing on dissident republicans with connections to the gang being investigated for the spate of ATM robberies up there.

That Guard wasn't going to entertain it, he'd end up on nights for years to come.

The people behind it will have got some bollicking from friendly senior officers for going psycho like this.

maccored · 21-09-2019 5:50pm

walshb wrote: »

I may have missed, but have Sinn Fein been very quiet on this as regards comment and/or utter condemnation?

funny - i heard them condemning it on newstalk during the week

redarmyblues · 21-09-2019 7:07pm

Was Sean Quinn at the protest march, does anybody know?

Danzy · 21-09-2019 7:23pm

tdf7187 wrote: »

Sinn Fein are a big political presence in the border areas. Doesn't seem unreasonable for them to be asked to comment.

Their local MP was at the march to support lunney.

Effort from the Govt has been quite though, now it is such a big story though Garda HQ might straighten out practices in Cavan.

ToBeFrank123 · 21-09-2019 9:00pm

redarmyblues wrote: »

Was Sean Quinn at the protest march, does anybody know?

I didn't hear but it would have sent out a strong message if he did.

tdf7187 · 21-09-2019 9:02pm

Danzy wrote: »

Their local MP was at the march to support lunney.

That is welcome.

Patrick2010 · 21-09-2019 11:45pm

redarmyblues wrote: »

Was Sean Quinn at the protest march, does anybody know?

He wasn’t, he’s waiting until their campaign works

Rashers Big Log · 22-09-2019 8:13am

I thought it was interesting that Seán Quinn issued a statement condemning the attack but most of the text I read in the paper was him voicing concern that his family would be blamed for it. I think a simple condemnation would have been sufficient

JohnnyFlash · 22-09-2019 8:18am

Who is the equivalent of Thomas ‘Slab’ Murphy up on the Cavan/Fermanagh border?

redarmyblues · 22-09-2019 12:57pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Who is the equivalent of Thomas ‘Slab’ Murphy up on the Cavan/Fermanagh border?

There is a clue on the tittle.

Muahahaha · 22-09-2019 1:32pm

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

I thought it was interesting that Seán Quinn issued a statement condemning the attack but most of the text I read in the paper was him voicing concern that his family would be blamed for it. I think a simple condemnation would have been sufficient

Also if you listen back to the radio interview Sean Quinn constantly refers to Kevin Lunney as "that man". The two of them worked side by side for over 20 years but if you didnt know better you'd think Quinn has never even met him.

Millionaire only not · 22-09-2019 2:04pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Also if you listen back to the radio interview Sean Quinn constantly refers to Kevin Lunney as "that man". The two of them worked side by side for over 20 years but if you didnt know better you'd think Quinn has never even met him.

Can we clear one thing - church of Ireland and Arlene Foster spoke as they know him well so I take it Kevin Lunney is Protestant!
Sean Quinn is catholic ?

How the hell did all that work for 20 years and if I’m right about that no wonder there’s no problem getting takers to sort it out !
The troubles never went away , just stayed out of the media!

celt262 · 22-09-2019 3:12pm

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Can we clear one thing - church of Ireland and Arlene Foster spoke as they know him well so I take it Kevin Lunney is Protestant!
Sean Quinn is catholic ?

How the hell did all that work for 20 years and if I’m right about that no wonder there’s no problem getting takers to sort it out !
The troubles never went away , just stayed out of the media!

How can you clear something up by making assumptions?

Millionaire only not · 22-09-2019 4:08pm

celt262 wrote: »

How can you clear something up by making assumptions?

But sure if the people talking here can’t clear it up with there knowledge then we must go on assumptions !
Why can u draw different conclusions from the facts that are before us !

its Just a sectarian punishment beating get over it , common as muck - knee capping did same thing only it was not as time consuming as Lummey was !

If a person took over my business from a vulture fund that I had spent years building up and even worse they were part of it ! Do they not think there was going to be repercussions?
Why were the government intent on taking down Quinn when so many walked away with debt wrote off and back in the driving seat ASAP.
I would believe a certain party benefited nicely from Derrylin Enterprizes!
U can’t feel sorry for these people , they knew what they were getting into - Sean Quinn wasn’t dead just waiting for his time to get control from the greedy banks .
And I know it was his own fault but who knows what **** he was spun to buy Anglo !

CatFromHue · 22-09-2019 4:19pm

Millionaire do you know what actually happened with Quinn?

The govt didn't take him down, he did.

He bought billions of shares in Anglo on CFDs which obviously went south badly as that bank failed. He had to borrow money to keep the shares, this is how CFDs work, so ended up going broke. No one made him buy billions of shares and even when Anglo found out they met him to tell him how bad it was that one person owned so much of the bank. He then went out and bought more shares in Anglo.

His businesses in the construction sector were doing very well as there was a property boom. When the boom ended these started to struggle.

His insurance company was messing around with claims and also lost a pile of money in the UK. He personally, and the company, was fined the biggest ever fines given out by the regulating body for the messing around he was doing. There was a levy put on every policy in Ireland to cover the financial hole he created.

celt262 · 22-09-2019 4:47pm

Millionaire only not wrote: »

its Just a sectarian punishment beating get over it , common as muck - knee capping did same thing only it was not as time consuming as Lummey was !

One fact for sure is that it wasnt a punishment beating for sectarian reasons.

Millionaire only not · 22-09-2019 4:53pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

Millionaire do you know what actually happened with Quinn?

The govt didn't take him down, he did.

He bought billions of shares in Anglo on CFDs which obviously went south badly as that bank failed. He had to borrow money to keep the shares, this is how CFDs work, so ended up going broke. No one made him buy billions of shares and even when Anglo found out they met him to tell him how bad it was that one person owned so much of the bank. He then went out and bought more shares in Anglo.

His businesses in the construction sector were doing very well as there was a property boom. When the boom ended these started to struggle.

His insurance company was messing around with claims and also lost a pile of money in the UK. He personally, and the company, was fined the biggest ever fines given out by the regulating body for the messing around he was doing. There was a levy put on every policy in Ireland to cover the financial hole he created.

Oh I all know too well what Quinn has done - we did building for him back in 90’s and he failed to pay last of his bill!
Only for we had the bill in high enough !

My point was he’s old school involved with parliamentary with god knows how long !
He must have had some agreement with Lunney and co. To regain control .
they knew what they were letting themselves in for !
That’s all I was saying , Quinn is ruthless, and they might be just as bad .
But depending on ordinary people to safe them is utterly wrong these people have brought there own destiny on them!

Listening to tripe of were saving jobs ! Rubbish talk , they were there to make themselves millionaires

Millionaire only not · 22-09-2019 5:05pm

celt262 wrote: »

One fact for sure is that it wasnt a punishment beating for sectarian reasons.

Yes sorry ur correct -a sectarian type punishment beating by parliamentary for over stepping the mark , ie cutting off donations or after receiving a healthy donation to carry it out !

Millionaire only not · 22-09-2019 5:12pm

And still no one here’s wants to comment on Kevin Lunney relationship with church of Ireland minister and Arlene Foster presents at the walk and open add mission to knowing him well
Sectarian, power , ego, money there all related .
Let them at it leave the ordinary decent people of Ireland out of it !
Adrian Donoghue would rather be home with his family this evening than lying 6 ft under !

celt262 · 22-09-2019 5:16pm

Millionaire only not wrote: »

And still no one here’s wants to comment on Kevin Lunney relationship with church of Ireland minister and Arlene Foster presents at the walk and open add mission to knowing him well
Sectarian, power , ego, money there all related .
Let them at it leave the ordinary decent people of Ireland out of it !
Adrian Donoghue would rather be home with his family this evening than lying 6 ft under !

How much do you know about the relationship other than them been at the March? There were political reps from both sides present.

22-09-2019 5:34pm

Its hardly surprising the local business people and politicians all know each other.

Derrylin, Kinawley, Lisnaskea, Ballyconnell, Swanlinbar etc is a very small area. Everybody knows everybody.

I wouldn't regard the attack as sectarian from anything Iv heard.

Millionaire only not · 22-09-2019 5:55pm

celt262 wrote: »

How much do you know about the relationship other than them been at the March? There were political reps from both sides present.

Do u seriously think a church of Ireland and dup would speak out so boldly only that his one off there own ?
Anyway I really couldn’t care less only be responsible for ur own decisions !
Same as Quinn is being responsible for what he started no one else , for Americans to come in - now piss off back to America they own too much of this country as it is !
Why wasn’t Quinn allowed to cut a deal same as all the rest , I’m sure a lot of the hidden assets would have appeared if they played ball .
Wouldn’t blame him one bit with the banks - criminals with collars .

I bet u all the money Quinn had or not had or all the bad decisions he made there’s no one more sorry. He’d settle quiet well for his business in Ballyconnell/ Derrylin today and nothing else !
As for the insurance in fairness he shook it up while he was there , they were the only people to get a responsible quote, getting a settlement might have been different but sur maybe they were right not like what goes on with the rest .
Dishing out settlements far too long for false claims !

Millionaire only not · 22-09-2019 5:58pm

celt262 wrote: »

How much do you know about the relationship other than them been at the March? There were political reps from both sides present.

Do u seriously think a church of Ireland and dup would speak out so boldly only that his one off there own ?
Anyway I really couldn’t care less only be responsible for ur own decisions !
Same as Quinn is being responsible for what he started no one else , for Americans to come in - now piss off back to America they own too much of this country as it is !
Why wasn’t Quinn allowed to cut a deal same as all the rest , I’m sure a lot of the hidden assets would have appeared if they played ball .
Wouldn’t blame him one bit with the banks - criminals with collars .

I bet u all the money Quinn had or not had or all the bad decisions he made there’s no one more sorry. He’d settle quiet well for his business in Ballyconnell/ Derrylin today and nothing else !
As for the insurance in fairness he shook it up while he was there , they were the only people to get a responsible quote, getting a settlement might have been different but sur maybe they were right not like what goes on with the rest .
Dishing out settlements far too long for false claims !

Millionaire only not · 22-09-2019 5:58pm

And still no one here’s wants to comment on Kevin Lunney relationship with church of Ireland minister and Arlene Foster presents at the walk and open add mission to knowing him well
Sectarian, power , ego, money there all related .
Let them at it leave the ordinary decent people of Ireland out of it !
Adrian Donoghue would rather be home with his family this evening than lying 6 ft under !

celt262 · 22-09-2019 6:24pm

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Do u seriously think a church of Ireland and dup would speak out so boldly only that his one off there own ?

Recalling how Mr Lunney told him of this moment, local priest and family friend Fr Gerry Comiskey, struggled to hold back tears as he told Extra.ie of the moment Mr Lunney nearly lost all hope.

He said: ‘He told me that as twilight was turning into darkness he could see a light from a house and it was only a very short distance away but because of his almost-unconscious state he didn’t think he would make it.

From several news reports today

CatFromHue · 22-09-2019 6:28pm

Quinn's debt was different than all the rest, I presume you mean developers here, as it was on shares/cash and not property.

The value of the property may, or has, recovered but the value of the shares hasn't. They're still worth nothing.

As for the insurance, yeah he did shake it up. He undercut everyone else and then delayed paying out claims. By the time the claims had to be paid he'd gone and the blame was put squarely on the shoulders of the new management. As I mentioned earlier Quinn himself got the largest ever fine for how he was operating the insurance company.

Millionaire only not · 22-09-2019 6:37pm

Everyone makes mistakes we wudnt be human if we didn’t!
Sean Quinn made a bad call on Several fronts no doubt mainly because he thought his core business was bulletproof .
Now can anyone explain to me why we’re better off with a stranger running it - (Americans)
He should have been allowed to buy it back over time but they choose to keep him out so the blood is on there hands !

No more than the bull McCabe it’s his field and it’s not about the money anymore

I’ve seen it down here they closed a quarry business in family for generations and left idle just to suit (roadstone -CRH) . Besides letting them trade out of it
Part of the d4 gang I call it !

They don’t care about anything outside of Dublin

Danzy · 22-09-2019 6:42pm

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Can we clear one thing - church of Ireland and Arlene Foster spoke as they know him well so I take it Kevin Lunney is Protestant!
Sean Quinn is catholic ?

How the hell did all that work for 20 years and if I’m right about that no wonder there’s no problem getting takers to sort it out !
The troubles never went away , just stayed out of the media!

What relevance has that.

Your thinking is that Quinn looked at Lunney who may be a Prod, 20 years ago and thought I'll make that Orange bas5677 a millionaire, see how he likes that.

I think not.

It's important though to say it's sectarianism or dissident or ex provies.

Have to point over there.

CatFromHue · 22-09-2019 8:04pm

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Everyone makes mistakes we wudnt be human if we didn’t!
Sean Quinn made a bad call on Several fronts no doubt mainly because he thought his core business was bulletproof .
Now can anyone explain to me why we’re better off with a stranger running it - (Americans)
He should have been allowed to buy it back over time but they choose to keep him out so the blood is on there hands !

No more than the bull McCabe it’s his field and it’s not about the money anymore

I’ve seen it down here they closed a quarry business in family for generations and left idle just to suit (roadstone -CRH) . Besides letting them trade out of it
Part of the d4 gang I call it !

They don’t care about anything outside of Dublin

Everyone does make mistakes but Quinn managed to keep digging and digging when he did. He seemed to blame Anglo for the fall in share price and him owing them money when it was his fault. Remember the tax payer had to fund the losses in Anglo and when he asset stripped the Quinn group we were the ones getting screwed.

His situation is very different than the Bull McCabe. This field would have just been left to rot if outsiders hadn't come in to help and the people who used to tend to it rot as well.

As for him being allowed to buy his old company back I just don't know. It was his actions that led to him being removed from it and you don't get to call who owns it after that. Could he even afford to buy it back as he was declared bankrupt in 2012 so where would the money come from to do so?

JeffKenna · 22-09-2019 8:30pm

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Everyone makes mistakes we wudnt be human if we didn’t!
Sean Quinn made a bad call on Several fronts no doubt mainly because he thought his core business was bulletproof .
Now can anyone explain to me why we’re better off with a stranger running it - (Americans)
He should have been allowed to buy it back over time but they choose to keep him out so the blood is on there hands !

No more than the bull McCabe it’s his field and it’s not about the money anymore

I’ve seen it down here they closed a quarry business in family for generations and left idle just to suit (roadstone -CRH) . Besides letting them trade out of it
Part of the d4 gang I call it !

They don’t care about anything outside of Dublin

True for you. He should be allowed use that money he hid from the Irish taxpayer in Russia and the Ukraine when he was "bankrupt" to come back and buy his empire back now. And sur if anyone disagrees with that we'll find a permanent solution for them.

Quinn Director abducted and assaulted

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