View Poll Results: Do you agree with minimum alcohol pricing?
I agree because we have drinking problems in Ireland. 376 21.45%
I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government. 1,377 78.55%
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04-05-2021, 15:51   #5371
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TBH that's for cooking with.
Wine Snob Alert!


Just because its cheap does not mean it's sh1te.
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I think at this stage MUP is a done deal. The next question is how is its effectiveness going to be measured?

If alcohol consumption goes down in the coming year, does it prove MUP works?

If alcohol consumption goes up does it mean MUP works but more is needed?

A kind of "heads I win, tails you lose"?
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04-05-2021, 16:02   #5373
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Exactly if consumption goes up increase MUP it's not working

If consumption goes down increase MUP it's working

Either way MUP will increase particularly if the North eventually brings it in
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Exactly if consumption goes up increase MUP it's not working

If consumption goes down increase MUP it's working

Either way MUP will increase particularly if the North eventually brings it in
Did the change from 11.30pm to 10.00pm finish ever have an actual impact?

I do not think i have ever seen a study reviewing its impact - positive or negative.


This will be much the same - brought in - new norm - then the anti drink fruits can start inventing the next scheme.

If only they would relax with a drink or 2 they might find some pleasure in life.
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04-05-2021, 16:14   #5375
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I think at this stage MUP is a done deal. The next question is how is its effectiveness going to be measured?

If alcohol consumption goes down in the coming year, does it prove MUP works?

If alcohol consumption goes up does it mean MUP works but more is needed?

A kind of "heads I win, tails you lose"?
Its being going down steadily since the start of the new millenium. We're mid table in Europe for alcohol consumption, and falling.
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04-05-2021, 16:14   #5376
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^^^ the findings, statistics call them what you will, will be twisted and bent to fit whatever agenda suits, the average Joe and Mary will be ones who foot the bill in the end
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04-05-2021, 16:16   #5377
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Did the change from 11.30pm to 10.00pm finish ever have an actual impact?

I do not think i have ever seen a study reviewing its impact - positive or negative.


This will be much the same - brought in - new norm - then the anti drink fruits can start inventing the next scheme.

If only they would relax with a drink or 2 they might find some pleasure in life.
The only change it made was that people had to buy alcohol earlier in the day

I still think it's mad that you can't get a bottle of wine etc before lunch on a Sunday

Contrast that to Krakow, Barcelona, Madrid, Paris where you can go on a night out and get a few beers on the way home as well
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I think at this stage MUP is a done deal. The next question is how is its effectiveness going to be measured?

If alcohol consumption goes down in the coming year, does it prove MUP works?

If alcohol consumption goes up does it mean MUP works but more is needed?

A kind of "heads I win, tails you lose"?

The thing those for MUP will never admit to is alcohol consumption has dropped to 2/3 of what it was in 2005 in a year over year decline so if that trend simply continues they will just falsely claim MUP was responsible.


Also the Irony is that alcohol consumption has decreased for the entire time they have claimed alcohol was getting cheaper.... try to get them to square that circle
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It's all a load of bollocks. Basically making targets of Alcoholics and students 'lads because ye can't behave yourselves on cheap drink were putting the price up, that will show you'

Government will make a killing with the tax from this
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Government will make a killing with the tax from this

How is this misinformation still going around? There will be a neglible increase in taxes from this as its a minimum price cap not a tax hike, the vast vast majority of the new hiked prices will go to the shops and the alcohol producers.
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How is this misinformation still going around? There will be a neglible increase in taxes from this as its a minimum price cap not a tax hike, the vast vast majority of the new hiked prices will go to the shops and therefore the alcohol producers.
I'd say its more assumption than misinformation - assumed that any increase will mean monies generated are used to fight the issues.


But unlike sugar and carbon taxes this one doesn't equate as you rightly point out.

Personally that makes less sense to me - all we are doing is damaging market competition and impacting the everyday person who is not an alco.
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It's all a load of bollocks. Basically making targets of Alcoholics and students 'lads because ye can't behave yourselves on cheap drink were putting the price up, that will show you'
Government will make a killing with the tax from this
The only Government that'll be making a killing from it will be Her Majesty's Government, unless Stormont enacts the same folly.

And they came for the alcoholics and the students first... my concern is that eventually they will ratchet up MUP so the prices are the same as pubs across the board.
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Yes, they could at least argue justification if it was going to help those with issues.
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Yes, they could at least argue justification if it was going to help those with issues.

If the entirety of the new price increase was a ring fenced tax hike going towards treatment etc I literally wouldn't have a problem and tbh would welcome it.
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If the entirety of the new price increase was a ring fenced tax hike going towards treatment etc I literally wouldn't have a problem and tbh would welcome it.
Ditto to that - Never love tax increases but when they are put aside to get a job done i can get behind them.


This is pure nonsense though
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